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Trump Takes Questions After Announcing Kennedy Center Honorees; Trump: "Very Good Call" With Zelenskyy And E.U. Leaders. Aired 12- 12:30p ET

Aired August 13, 2025 - 12:00   ET

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: The Democrats are afraid to do anything because they don't want to be criticized. But fighting crime is a good thing. We have to explain. We're going to fight crime. That's a good thing. already they're saying, he's a dictator. The place is going to hell. We've got to stop it. So instead of saying he's a dictator, they should say we're going to join him and make Washington safe. But he say, he's a dictator.

And then they end up getting mugged and, you know, but the stats are very bad, but we're going to -- we're going to -- I think we'll actually get Democrat support. I really believe they can't -- they can't do this one too. You know, they talk about 80-20s -- 80-20 issues. But I think many of those 80-20 issues, like men and women's sports, I think it's 97 to three, not 80-20, and I think crime is maybe 100 to nothing.

So, I think we may get very well, some Democrat support, but I hope so. But even if we don't, we have the majority. So, we're going to vote it in as Republicans, and we're going to do something, and that's going to serve as a beacon for New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and other places all over the country.

This whole -- our whole country is going to be so different and so great. It's going to be clean and safe and beautiful, and people are going to love our flag more than they've ever loved it, and we're going to do a great job.

So, I want to congratulate all the nominees. They're unbelievable people, and we're going to have a tremendous day in December, and that evening is going to be special, some really special people and real talent. Do you have any questions?

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TRUMP: Yes, please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, sir. There's a new reporting that the Russians have hacked into some computer systems that manage U.S. federal court documents. I wonder if you've seen this reporting, and if you plan to bring it up with Putin when you see him later in the week.

TRUMP: I guess I could. Are you surprised. You know, if you surprised, they hack in. That's what they do. They're good at it. We're good at it. We're actually better at it. But no, I have heard about it. I've heard about it. Please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Mr. President. You mentioned -- you mentioned congressional Democrats. You have not yet met with Democratic leadership, but there's a funding deadline at the end of September. Would you -- do you plan to meet with leader Schumer and leader Jeffries to discuss that situation?

TRUMP: Well, I will, I guess, but it's almost a waste of time to meet because they never approve anything. If we want money to fight crime, if we want money to do only good things, just good things. Let's not even talk about controversy. They don't want to meet about anything.

They really are -- they're stuck. They don't know what to do. They have probably more, I would say, more than half are sane, but they are led by insane people, and they -- the kind of things that they're pushing are not something. We have a communist running for the mayor of New York, and I wish him well. I may have to deal with him.

I mean, it's not even conceivable. It's not even conceivable that that could happen. And maybe he won't win, but he won the primaries by quite a bit. You know, shockingly, he won the primaries So, and you see some of the people supporting him that truly don't believe what he's espousing.

So, I mean, we will meet, but nothing is going to come out of the meeting. But here's the advantage we have is it, we have a great, we just passed the great big, beautiful bill that had all the biggest tax cuts in history, no tax on tips, no tax on social security. Think of it. Think of that for the seniors, no tax on overtime and all sorts of things.

You go out, buy a car, you can deduct the interest payment. If you borrow money, you can deduct the interest payment, freebie, taxes. So many things, but the biggest thing is, from a business standpoint, deductions. You know, that was tremendous. It's going to -- our country is roaring.

Our businesses are -- you're going to see some numbers in 12 months when these factories are open. You know, we're opening up factories all over the world -- all over the -- all over the country, but that's all spreading to -- I think we're spreading the wealth all over the world, if you want to know the truth. But we're opening them to this country at a level that we've never seen before. We've never seen so.

They just don't want to prove anything. They just -- we meet with them, and they say -- as Nancy Reagan said, just say no. They go, oh, just say, no. They're afraid to approve anything if we say, we want to stop crime in this country, or as an example, bail. We want to make it so that people, if they murder somebody, they're in jail. They don't get out on no bail. They say, we don't want that. We want people to murder somebody. And they immediately are released, and they go out and murder somebody else. Big problem, a tremendous problem.

By the way, we're going to go for statutes in D.C. and then ultimately for the rest of the country where that's not going to be allowed, because it was when they did the cashless bail thing that the numbers really started going up. In this city, in New York, in Chicago and Los Angeles, no matter where they have it, the numbers went through the roof. So, we're going to meet with them. Of course, I'd like to meet with them.

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We're going to tell them all these good things, and they're going to tell us no. And then we're going to go out and we're going to vote it in by the Republicans. Because I don't believe that we -- I don't believe that anybody is capable of making a deal with these people. They have gone crazy. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, Mr. President. Your federalization of the police has a 30-day limit unless Congress acts to extend it. Are you talking to Congress about extending it? Or do you believe 30 days is sufficient?

TRUMP: Well, if it's a national emergency, we can do it without Congress, but we expect to be to Congress -- before Congress very quickly. And again, we think the Democrats will not do anything to stop crime, but we think the Republicans will do it almost unanimously. So, we're going to need a crime bill that we're going to be putting in, and it's going to pertain initially to D.C.

It's almost -- we're going to use it as a very positive example, and we're going to be asking for extensions on that, long term extensions, because you can't have 30 days. 30 days is that's by the time you do it. We're going to have this in good shape. And don't forget, in the border, everyone said it would take years and you'd have to go back to Congress. I never went to Congress for anything.

I just said, close the border. And they closed the border, and that was the end of it. I didn't go back to Congress. We're going to do this very quickly, but we're going to want extensions. I don't want to call national emergency. If I have to, I will. But I think the Republicans in Congress will approve this pretty much unanimously.

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TRUMP: Please go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Mr. President. Would you encourage members of the press to do ride alongs with the D.C. police to understand how serious this crime issue is?

TRUMP: It sounds -- it's OK to me. If they want to do it, we're going to work with the D.C. police. A lot of very good people in there, not all, but a lot of very good, very professional. And, you know, we have a big force. I think they said 3500, they, you know, they're always asking the mayor, who's a very nice woman, but got to do the job.

You know, we've worked with the mayor for six months, and she's been here for many years. And the numbers are worse than they ever had. Don't let anyone tell you they're not. And the whole statistical charts that they made. The whole thing is a rigged deal. They got rid of the guy that -- because he didn't want to do the numbers the way they wanted to, and they put their own numbers out.

They said it's the best in 20 years. No, it's the worst in 20 years. But we're going to have -- we're going to be very open about what we're doing. So, if the media wants to ride with police, if they want to do it, if they feel it's safe, that would be OK.

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TRUMP: Yeah. Please go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sorry, with President Zelenskyy --

MARY MARGARET, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, THE DAILY WIRE: Thank you, Mr. President. Mary Margaret of Daily Wire. Two questions on D.C., if that's OK. How do you feel about Mayor Bowser's level of cooperation and her choosing to advocate for D.C. statehood right now?

TRUMP: Well, the statehood, let me do that. Statehood is ridiculous. We want to straighten the place out. Statehood is ridiculous. It's unacceptable. It's the Democrats want it because the Democrats have, you know, about 95 percent in this little area, even I didn't get it very much. They want that. They want to pick up two senators and that's not going to happen. It's not going to happen.

And that's the least of the reasons why, by the way, but that's one of the reasons why. What we want to do is make Washington, D.C. the greatest, most beautiful, safest capital anywhere in the world, and that's going to happen. I mentioned the word bones before the bones here the bones. We have the greatest bones.

When you look at that Supreme Court building, I think it's one of the most beautiful buildings. When you look at some of the buildings here, so magnificent. And everything's good, but it's just dirty and not properly maintained. It's not taken care of. Potholes in the roads. All of it's going to happen very quickly.

We're going to seek a relatively small amount of money for fix up, and we're going to put it out to bid. And we have great contractors here, great road builders, and we're not ripping roads apart. So, they're closed for four years as they redo the concrete bases. And you don't need that. We need a beautiful topping by a very talented asphalt type person, somebody that does the job.

We go out, you know, when we get -- when I get contractors, I use great contractors. To me, contractors are -- a great contractor is a very special like a great surgeon, like a great teacher, like a great nurse. A great contractor is very important. We'll only use the best and we -- when you put a coat of asphalt on that top, two inches of asphalt, three inches of asphalt, it looks brand new.

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You take all the garbage off. They recede it, as we call it, or different names, but they take the bad stuff off, and they put the good stuff down. It takes not a long period of time, a matter of a few days, you'll have a beautiful, magnificent road. You fix up the curbs, you get rid the medians in this town are just horrible, you know, you're writing.

I think to myself, leaders come from foreign countries. As you see, with leaders all the time, differently. They came in from India recently and from everywhere. They came in from a war that we just ended, Azerbaijan, and you know, that and Armenia. We just ended the war. The two leaders came in.

One of them said, my country looks better. The roads are better than -- you know, we were talking about. I said, what do you think? He said, well, the roads are better in Armenia than they are in Washington, D.C. It's embarrassing. And I was asked at the last press conference, they said to me, how important is it? You're doing world peace.

We're going to Friday -- on Friday to Alaska, meeting with President Putin, Russia. How important it is that? The capitol is important. I said very, very important. I told my father said to me, when you see a restaurant and you want to go and you want to have dinner, and then you go up to the front door and it's dirty, turn around and go back because the kitchen is dirty.

It's the same thing with the capitol of the United States of America. If it's dirty and unsafe, it sets a bad tone for the rest of the world. So, we're not going to do that. We're going to have this capitol fixed up, safe, clean and beautiful in a very short period of time.

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TRUMP: Go ahead, please. In the back, yeah, please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, how were your calls this morning with European leaders? And was it your call not to invite President Zelenskyy to your meeting with Putin?

TRUMP: No, it's just the opposite. No, no. We had a very good call. He was on the call. President Zelenskyy was on the call. I would rate it at 10. You know, very, very friendly. I know the leaders because I was at NATO, as you know, I took it from 2 percent to 5 percent, 2 percent that wasn't paid, 5 percent that is paid, which is trillions of dollars in defense capability.

No, it was always going to be -- I was going to meet with President Putin, and then after that, I'm going to call the leaders and President Zelenskyy. I'm going to call President Zelenskyy and then I'll call, probably, in that order, the leaders.

There's a very good chance that we're going to have a second meeting, which will be more productive than the first because the first is I'm going to find out where we are and what we're doing. Again, this is Biden's war. This isn't my war. He got us into this thing. And it should have never happened. This war would have never happened if I were president. But it is what it is, and I'm here to fix it. And I'm here to stop 6000, 7000 people last week, 7213 people last week were killed, mostly soldiers, but missiles being lobbed into towns, don't exactly help either, but mostly soldiers and Ukrainian and Russian. They're not American soldiers. But you know, if we can save a lot of lives, it would be a great thing.

I've done -- I've done five -- I've stopped five wars in the last six months. And on top of that, we wiped out the nuclear capability of Iran. Obliterated it. It's turned out to be a correct word, by the way, because, you know, some of the press said, well, maybe it wasn't obliteration, it was obliteration.

And we're going to meet with -- I would say the second meeting. If the first one goes OK, we'll have a quick second one. I would like to do it almost immediately, and we'll have a quick second meeting between President Putin and President Zelenskyy and myself, if they'd like to have me there. And that would be a meeting where maybe it could be absolutely work, but the first meeting will not work that out.

Certain great things can be gained in the first, it's going to be a very important meeting, but it's setting the table for the second meeting. I think the second meeting -- if the second meeting takes place, now there may be no second meeting, because if I feel that it's not appropriate to have it because I didn't get the answers that we have to have, then we're not going to have a second meeting.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.

TRUMP: I didn't ask you. Go ahead, please.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just wanted to ask you -- thank you, Mr. President. What involved were you in the selection process of these honorees?

TRUMP: I would say I was about 98 percent involved. No, they all went through me. They came over Rick and Sergio and everybody. They said, I turned down plenty. They were too woke. I had a couple of wokesters. No, we have great people. This is very different than it used to be. Very different. These are great people and I don't have any idea that Republican -- because when people that -- the Kennedy Center has everything, look at the Academy Awards. It gets lousy ratings now. It's all woke.

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All they do is talk about how much they hate Trump, but nobody likes that. They don't watch anymore. That used to have 45 million people watching. Remember the apprentice, first season. The apprentice had 42 million people. The Academy Awards had 41 million people. We were the second show to the Super Bowl.

But since then, the Academy Awards have gone down to -- I think they've gone down to numbers that are like a regular show because it went woke. We're not doing it for that reason. We're doing it because we want the great talent. But these are great people. So, I was very -- I was -- just a very long answer, but I was very involved.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, Mr. President. The Biden administration was auctioning off border wall materials, but we're hearing now that those the auctioneer is selling those materials back. Are you finishing building the wall?

TRUMP: Well, I built hundreds of miles of wall, and I was getting very close. I actually finished the wall, but then I added another 200 miles, because when you do the original wall that I said I was going to build, which I got built. And I got it to the specifications of the border patrol and ICE the exact, they wanted steel. They wanted concrete inside. They wanted rebar inside that. They wanted it have -- to have wires.

The walls are wired for, you know, all of the internet stuff and security things. And we built it hundreds of miles. We did great. That's one of the reasons, even now, we're able to have such good numbers at zero, essentially, very little people coming in.

But Biden, I ordered for another 200 miles. I was going to do another 200 because it's the way it is, and we're all set to do it. Then we had the bad election result, the horrible, horrible, what happened to our country, what they've allowed to happen to our country, and we are taking now that wall back. They sold the wall.

Now this is expensive stuff, hardened steel, very expensive. 9000- pound concrete and rebar. Rebar is very expensive. The hardest rebound, no, is very -- very hard to cut. You have different materials. It's very hard to cut because they cut it down if they can. It's very hard to cut. And Biden sold it for pennies on the dollar, three cents on the dollar, four cents on the dollar. He sold it.

And I said, these guys really don't want -- that was when I first realized. When I saw the wall was being put up, because we could have finished the rest of the wall in about four weeks, anywhere from three to four weeks. It was all set to goes. It was laying down, ready to be put up. The foundations were -- and they took over, and they said, we're going to sell the wall. And they sold it, as you know, for pennies on the dollar.

Well, Pam Bondi has been working very hard on suing that company, and I think they reached a settlement where we're taking the wall back, but they stole the wall from us. That wall is so expensive to build, and we had it, as you know, hundreds of miles of it, and they came along, and they basically sold it for scrap. And what a shame that is. But that was when I first realized that these people actually want to have open borders.

And no country has -- who has -- poor countries don't have open borders. No, we had open borders where people just walked in that that didn't matter what they looked like, who they were, they could have -- we had 11,888 murders, half of whom killed more than one person. I mean, literally, killed more than one person. And this is who we took into our country. So, the wall is the least of it, but we're going to buy -- we're going to take the wall back. We're paying a small amount of money, as I understand it, to get it back, to get rid of the litigation. We'll take it back. We'll put it up. Yeah.

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TRUMP: Go ahead in the back, please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to take it back to the Kennedy Center, if I can, just for a second, Mr. President?

TRUMP: Sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From what I understand, the Les Mis show exceeded everyone's expectations, attendance, revenue across the board.

TRUMP: Great.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you anticipate future shows to basically do the same?

TRUMP: I like that guy. Now, that's called a question, OK? And he's a great reporter, actually. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah, it did great. Les Mis did great. Broke records and was sold out and beautiful. And we anticipate a lot of that happening. It's a -- there's a thirst for it, and especially, when the crime is knocked out. You know, when we knock out crime, some people probably stay away from places like restaurants and other things. It ruins your whole fabric. It ruins it -- ruins your country.

And when somebody thinks they have about a 25 percent chance of getting mugged, they say, let's not go to restaurants tonight. We're going to make it so that they have no chance of getting mugged, and it's going to happen soon. And yeah, we think we're going to have a lot of very successful evenings here. Please.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Mr. President. Will Russia face any consequences if Vladimir Putin does not agree to stop the war after your meeting on Friday.

TRUMP: Yes, they will.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What were the consequences be, section, tariffs?

TRUMP: They will be -- I don't have to say there will be very severe consequences. Yes. Yeah, please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I ask you a question about the --

TRUMP: Right next to you, please. Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- about the federal reserve.

TRUMP: Ah, federal reserve, my friend, it's too late. He's too late. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're considering threat suing Jay Powell. Can you update us on your thinking about that and tell us where you are in your search for new chair?

TRUMP: Well, he took a building that could have been painted and fixed, like we're going to fix this building for a very little money. He took -- and that was in better shape. He took a building, and they just -- what they did to that building, they built a basement under the building. It didn't have a basement. This is simple to understand.

The building is right next to a thing called the Potomac River, the beautiful Potomac River, that means lots of water, and the water is right under the building. And they decide to build a basement under the building in the Potomac River.

So, in order to do that, you need the biggest pumps that God ever created, and they were pumping their hearts out. But as big as those pumps are, you can't pump it fast enough, because it's that Potomac River. If the pump were bigger than this room, you couldn't pump it. But they tried, and they've been building a basement.

And I said, why did you want to build a basement? I thought it would be a good idea, sir. A basement is the least valuable floor in a building. I know a lot about real estate. The least valuable thing is the basement. And you don't build a -- built basement under a building that is two feet above the river. That's right next door. You know, it's right near the river.

People don't realize the river is right out their window, and that that's the beginning. They did just a terrible job. They -- instead of, I could take a ceiling like this, they'd rip out the ceiling because they see it cracked. Let's rip out the ceiling. And I would fix the crack, and I would paint the ceiling. And under the ceiling, they put the most incredible protective material.

They go out by three quarter inch, brand new, gorgeous three quarter inch plywood and sheet rock, hardened sheet rock, and they had it all over the building, so if a little piece of flake came down, but the problem is, when they took the ceiling down and it would hit, they spent millions of dollars on protective material that you didn't have to spend anything.

He could have done that job for $25 million, and they spent 3.1 billion. He said 2.7, but it's really 3.1. They just don't want to include one of the buildings in the deal. But it's going to be much more than that, and I think he'll be long gone by the time it finishes because they've got a long way to go. And then I hear they want to hire 3000 economists.

What are they going to do? And he got it all wrong. He's too late. We call him Jerome, 'too late,' Powell. It will live with him forever. I believe that name will live with him forever, along with the name Pocahontas and some of the others. He worked closely with Pocahontas, by the way, she's another beauty.

But we have a real problem there. They're way over budget, and they did a job that shouldn't have been done. It was unnecessary to be done that instead of, I could have gotten the greatest wallpaper anywhere in the world from the finest stores in the world. I could have fixed up a wall a little bit, it would have taken about two hours, and covered it with the most magnificent silk, then most magnificent paper, for thousands of dollars, as opposed to tens of millions of dollars.

What a shame it is that they did, but they would take down areas of the building that shouldn't have been taken down, that could have literally been painted, and they didn't do that. So, they've got a long way to go, and I think it's just grossly incompetent, but not quite as incompetent as his decision not to do interest rates, take down interest rates, because just like they shouldn't have taken down a ceiling, they should take down interest rates.

Every point costs us $360 billion a year. Think of that. 360 billion for one point. And we should be down at 1 percent because we're the leader of the world. We were always the lowest interest rate for until like, a certain time ago, decade couple. But we're always because we were the United States of America. So even if the country was run badly, we were considered, like to be super prime.

And now he's got us in a bad place. So, we're paying $360 billion a year for each point. Now, I believe we should be three or four points lower, so that's over a trillion dollars we pay every year in interest, and it's really just a paper calculation. You sign a document, and you save almost a trillion dollars because that number equates very much to the bonds that we have to buy.

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But despite that, we're powering through it, and we have the greatest economy maybe we've ever had. But the housing sector, people aren't able to get good mortgages. They're paying too much because of Jerome 'too late' Powell, he's truly incompetent, and we'll be making another -- we put a very good man in temporarily in the one spot because one of the people that was appointed by the Democrats left early, and I heard left because that person wanted lower interest rates. And I heard quit, but I have no idea. I'm sure she won't say that.

DANA BASH, CNN HOST, INSIDE POLITICS: OK. We're going to continue to monitor President Trump. He is at the Kennedy Center, as you see there. And he made a big announcement as president of --or head of the Kennedy Center, which is one of the jobs that he put himself in as president of the United States. We're going to talk about that in a little while, but we also want to begin by talking about one of the countless topics that he discussed when answering reporters' questions, and the most newsy was about Friday's summit with Vladimir Putin.

Here to talk about this are terrific reporters who actually cover the White House, cover the president. We do have -- OK, so let's go to exactly what the president said, Kristen Holmes, about his plans for after the meeting he's going to have with Vladimir Putin.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: I would say the second meeting. If the first one goes OK, we'll have a quick second one. I would like to do it almost immediately, and we'll have a quick second meeting between President Putin and President Zelenskyy and myself, if they'd like to have me there. And that would be a meeting where maybe it could be absolutely worked. But the first meeting will not work that out, but certain great things can be gained in the first.

It's going to be a very important meeting, but it's setting the table for the second meeting. I think the second meeting -- if the second meeting takes place, now there may be no second meeting, because if I feel that it's not appropriate to have it, because I didn't get the answers that we have to have, then we're not going to have a second meeting.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BASH: Kristen?

KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: So, this is the first time we've actually heard him say this about the quick turnaround of the trilateral meeting. I was told this over the weekend from a White House official that there was no world in which President Trump was not going to have a bilateral meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. But the question was, when does that next meeting happen?

And there was -- they were leaving the door open for even potentially having Zelenskyy go to Alaska for a meeting after this meeting. But there you hear him saying that he's going to call Zelenskyy right afterwards the European leaders. Clearly here, he has taken a separate tone when it comes to Putin and what he's getting out of this meeting.

I mean, you even heard him there couching what he said, oh, there'll be a third meeting or second meeting, if I like what I hear, they're being very careful going into this because President Trump has been embarrassed this time around by Russian President Vladimir Putin. He has time and time again, said that Putin wants peace, or I had a good conversation with Putin, only for the Russian president to then go against everything President Trump has said.

So now they're being a lot more cautious going into this. And obviously, President Trump there saying, if it goes well, we'll get Zelenskyy on the phone, potentially have an immediate third meet or second meeting.

BASH: Yeah. And the president also said that he does, to your point, still think that Vladimir Putin is targeting civilians in his war against Ukraine, which is one of the many things that President Trump has been very frustrating, frustrated about after his calls, several calls that he's had with Vladimir Putin, that he feels like he gets nowhere on the phone, which is part of why he wants to meet with him in person.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah. I think for the White House's perspective, it's been kind of six months of failure, trying to get some movement when it comes to a ceasefire. I think one interesting thing, though, is that you're hearing European leaders and Ukraine Zelenskyy, try to be on the same accord with the White House before they go into this massive summit.

They're trying not to criticize the president. They're trying to say that we're on the same page, that President Trump does want to come out of this with a ceasefire. That was something that came out of the reported call this morning that he had with Ukraine's leader and European leaders, trying to say that they're basically going into this United, making sure that he has the red lines that Europe wants him to have, but also has the latitude to make his own decision.

I think that there is certainly a fear from people inside of the government and outside the government that potentially Trump could leave this meeting, and it leads to basically a bad deal for Ukraine. But I think there's also a fear that Trump could leave this meeting, realize Putin is unserious, and then leave the diplomatic conversation altogether.

BASH: One of the things that the president was asked about at this press conference that he had was about the call that he participated in with. European leaders, and included in that was the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky. Zelensky and the German chancellor had a press conference.

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