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President Trump Confirms Thursday Deadline For Ukraine To Agree To Administration's Plan To End War; Israeli Settlers Torch Cars In West Bank Attack; Trump Calls For Democratic Lawmakers To Face Trial For Seditious Behavior; CNN Investigations Finds Evidence Tanzanian Police Killed Protesters; U.S. Considers Sanctions To Protect Nigerian Christians; Mexico's Fatima Bosch Crowned Winner In Scandal-Hit Pageant; Oceania Proves Picture-Perfect As Competition Winners Announced; Superman Number One Comic Book Sells For Record $9.12 Million. Aired 2-3p ET
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MAX FOSTER, HOST, ISA SOARES TONIGHT: Hello and welcome, I'm Max Foster in for Isa Soares. Tonight, we begin with an all-out U.S. pressure campaign to
get Ukraine to sign on to a peace plan drafted by the White House and the difficult choice that it faces, Kyiv. President Donald Trump told "Fox
News" he had set a deadline of Thursday for Ukraine to agree to his administration's proposal to end the war with Russia.
That 28 plan -- point-plan would require significant land concessions from Ukraine. Territories such as Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognized
as de facto Russian. And the plan would also cause Kyiv to significantly downsize its military and prevent it from joining NATO.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is promising to work with U.S. officials on the plan, but says he will not do anything to betray his
country's national interest.
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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, PRESIDENT, UKRAINE (through translator): This is one of the most difficult moments in our history. The pressure on Ukraine is
now at its most intense. Ukraine may now face a very difficult choice, either the loss of dignity or the risk of losing a key partner, or 28
difficult points, or an extremely harsh Winter.
The most difficult and further risk our life without freedom, without dignity, without justice, and believing someone who has already attacked us
twice.
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FOSTER: Well, President Zelenskyy says he has meetings and calls scheduled with European leaders in the next few days to discuss the White House
proposal. Russian President Vladimir Putin says he's reviewed the proposal and believes it could form the basis of a final peace settlement.
He says he's ready to show the flexibility discussed at the Alaska Summit with President Trump last -- well, earlier this year. The city of Lviv was
part of a massive Russian attack in western Ukraine meanwhile. That was this week that killed more than 30 people. Earlier, its mayor spoke with
our Fred Pleitgen.
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MAYOR ANDRIY SADOVYI, LVIV, UKRAINE: There is no country in world that want to peace more than Ukraine. But you must understand very simple position.
Russia was it, and will be source of strength for Ukraine and all democratic countries in the world.
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FOSTER: CNN's Ben Wedeman joins us with the latest. Ben, am I right in saying that, you know, this is the concern from Europe, lots of Europe, but
basically, this plan gives Russia most of what it's been after for some time.
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, this is an award for Russian aggression, where Ukraine has to give up large parts of the
territory -- its territory. Territory I've been in where I've seen that they have lost countless lives trying to defend.
Really, it puts the onus on the victim and not the aggressor in this case. And in fact, one European diplomat told CNN today, that accepting this 28-
point peace plan would amount to political suicide for any Ukrainian leader. And I think President Zelenskyy, who was burned earlier this year
in the Oval Office by President Trump and Vice President Vance, has tried over the subsequent months to try to smooth or soothe President Trump.
Soothe -- smooth his feathers in the hope to sort of get President Trump to see the situation from Ukraine's point of view has failed. He is, I think,
clearly alarmed that this is a President, an American President who absolutely contrary to President Biden, has decided he is going to take the
side of Russia in this conflict.
This -- it's telling that, you know, he announces the deadline, not in a diplomatic channel, but talking to "Fox" radio.
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And it's a deadline for Ukraine, not for Russia to make any concessions. It's a demand for Ukraine to give up large parts of its land, give up its
rights in a sense, by limiting its army to 600,000, by having to hold elections within 100 days of implementation of this agreement. There's no
requirement on Russia to do anything similar.
Russia, of course, is hardly a democracy. So, it really is something that I think European leaders are going to find hard to swallow now. Until now,
what we've seen is European leaders haven't really shown much in the way of backbone when it comes to trying to confront President Trump, stop
President Trump from acting on his worst impulses.
This will really be the ultimate test for them. What we've seen is President Zelenskyy had multiple phone calls with European leaders today,
expressing -- they -- most of them expressed their solidarity with Ukraine, but did not reject outright this 28-point peace plan. But it certainly puts
them and more than anybody else, President Zelenskyy, in a very difficult corner. Max.
FOSTER: Really does. Ben, thank you. Let's turn to CNN national security correspondent Natasha Bertrand. She's in Washington for us. Natasha, Trump
has set this deadline, how firm is it? And will he consider a counterproposal from Europe?
NATASHA BERTRAND, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, Max, he did say that sometimes deadlines can be flexible if the progress is being made
that the United States wants to see. So, essentially, this is part of his deal-making strategy. He wants to create momentum for these talks by
putting a very aggressive timeline on them, but also leaving open the possibility that, that deadline could be extended.
However, President Zelenskyy obviously making clear that he feels like he is under intense pressure to accept the terms of that deal. The Europeans
are saying that they basically believe that this is a nonstarter, particularly the detail in there about Ukraine never being able to join
NATO, which has been seen as an unacceptable term over the course of many years for Europe, given that it tries to dictate European security
architecture.
And so, the Europeans, they are crafting this counterproposal with Ukrainian input, something that the U.S. did not have much of, if any, of
when it was drafting its proposal. In fact, the proposal that was drafted and presented to Zelenskyy was created primarily by Witkoff, Steve Witkoff,
who is Trump's envoy, special envoy in conjunction with the head of Russia's Sovereign Wealth Fund, Kirill Dmitriev.
So, this is really a Russia heavy document. And I think the Europeans right now are trying to counterbalance that by getting Ukraine's input and
hopefully presenting that to the United States in a way that is acceptable. But still, we're told that the U.S. is really on a tear about this.
President Trump running off of the momentum that he had from achieving a deal between Israel and Gaza and Israel and Hamas to end that war.
He wants to now move very quickly to try to get a win when it comes to this conflict. But of course, you know, the Europeans, the Ukrainians, they will
say that this is primarily a win for the Russians and not for the Ukrainians. Max.
FOSTER: Natasha, thank you for that. We're also joined by Orysia Lutsevych; the deputy Director of the Russia and Eurasia Program, and the head of the
Ukraine forum at Chatham House. Thank you so much for joining us. If we could take through the -- if you could take us through the three parts to
this, it's really alarmed the Europeans, first of all, the way that Ukraine would have to give up large parts of its territory. How does Europe handle
that?
ORYSIA LUTSEVYCH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, RUSSIA & EURASIA PROGRAM, CHATHAM HOUSE: Well, Max, this deal definitely looks like a brain child of the Kremlin
because it includes all their objectives as they were launching what they call a Special Military Operation, an unprovoked aggression of Ukraine.
And indeed, what is happening, they are struggling to make any military gains of that land, and they are trying to get it through a back door
channels and diplomacy. Obviously, Europeans already came up with the statement that includes leaders of the Coalition of the Willing, U.K.,
France, Germany saying that the starting point of any negotiations should be the current frontline, and Ukrainian army should not be retreating from
its sovereign territory.
FOSTER: So, a compromise might be to, you know, somewhere between what the Russians are asking, what the Europeans are asking, perhaps on that. What
about this idea that Ukraine needs to reduce the size of its military?
LUTSEVYCH: Well, the -- we have to look at and see which points of that proposal abridge Ukrainian sovereignty, because we've discussed that what
they propose is actually to -- not to restore Ukrainian territorial integrity, but also it infringes on several points of Ukrainian
sovereignty, such as the size of its army.
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And also, the fact that it should never join the NATO alliance, even in the future. And what kind of weapon systems Ukraine should be able to procure
from the west? All of this, it's none of Russia's business. What is quite striking that it has no limitations or demilitarization on the Russian
side. If we want to de-conflict the two sides, you would imagine a point in this proposal where Russian army also is retreating, scaling down in size
and stopping some of its military modernization as well.
FOSTER: Is there any where here you can see Putin compromising?
LUTSEVYCH: Well, this is exactly what I'm saying. It's very hard to see. The only big idea that Russians could be selling to Americans, that our
compromise is that we are stopping the war. But there's nothing about Russians willing to pay reparations. There's very little about how -- you
know, Ukraine is able to defend and deter Russia in the future, or for the same matter that Russia acknowledges that this was an unprovoked invasion,
that married, you know, accountability also on part of them.
FOSTER: Can Zelenskyy last if he signs it?
LUTSEVYCH: You know, I don't think Zelenskyy has any mandate or support in the society to sign it. The deal also calls for the changes to Ukrainian
constitution in the part of not joining NATO in the future. And he will not get those votes in the parliament because it requires a constitutional
majority. That is not likely to happen.
And interestingly enough, on the background of this corruption scandal in Ukraine, Zelenskyy shows that he stands for the national interest, that he
is being tough with the United States, and he has Europe on its side, regardless of setbacks at home.
FOSTER: Orysia, thank you so much for joining us. I mean, it's a huge story. We'll see how it develops over the coming week. We're going to move
now to the occupied West Bank, though, where extremist Israeli settlers have set scores of cars on fire in the town of Hara. Around 150 cars were
destroyed in the attack at a scrap yard on Thursday.
The owner says at least a dozen people attacked the site and happened as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was convening a security meeting
on rising settler violence. And a new human rights watch report says Israel committed war crimes when it expelled 32,000 people from three refugee
camps in the West Bank at the beginning of the year. Israel says the camps pose security threats. Nic Robertson has the latest on the ongoing settler
violence.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR (on camera): It's clearly an issue that's caught international attention. The U.N. has said
since 2006 that it's the highest level of settler violence. On average, more than eight attacks a day. Last night, there were more attacks, not
just that scrap dealer who had 150 cars incinerated.
It's a scrap dealership, but so many Palestinians rely on these secondhand parts to keep their aging vehicles running in the West Bank. So, this was a
source of income for his family. But it's a tactic that we've seen the settlers turning to more in recent weeks, targeting businesses. It was a
dairy distribution processing plant that was targeted last week.
And as I say, some of the other places that were targeted last night again by settlers were businesses. I was in the West Bank just yesterday with a
group of Israeli peace activists, and they had taken us there to show a pattern where they say these groups of settlers that the Prime Minister
calls a small group of extremists are now moving out of their targeting of sort of rural Palestinian communities, small farmers, and are moving their
attacks to sort of be more close to towns and putting more pressure on Palestinian towns and businesses.
And I think one of the things that not just the Palestinians in the West Bank look for, or the Israeli peace activists look for, would be for the
Prime Minister to instruct his Defense Minister, Israel Katz, who when he took over the post late last year, one of the first things he did was to
remove administrative detention for the settlers.
Administrative detention is something that Israel uses a lot to hold Palestinians in detention in the West Bank, but many people see the absence
of that administrative detention for settlers as an implicit open door for them to continue that there's no penalty for what they're doing.
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Now, we've heard Avi Bluth; the IDF commander for the West Bank calling the settlers -- this violence, calling them anarchists. They've sprayed paint
and graffiti during one of their attacks, saying they don't care what he says. And I think it's risen to the level of concern here that you now have
opposition figures saying, look, we need to treat these -- this settler violence, treat it as we would Palestinian terrorists, call it Jewish
terrorism and treat them as such.
So, there's -- there is a lot more public debate and discourse about it. But aside from that government meeting last night, we're not seeing steps
that people could interpret as curtailing the free hand the settlers perceive that they have.
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FOSTER: Our Nic Robertson there. Now, still ahead, deepening fallout over President Donald Trump's suggestion that U.S. lawmakers are executed or
should be executed for urging the military to disobey illegal orders. One senator says he's lighting a match in a country soaked with political
gasoline.
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FOSTER: Less than an hour from now, the new mayor elect of America's largest city will meet face-to-face with President Donald Trump for the
first time. Mr. Trump says he thinks talks will Zohran Mamdani will be quite civil. But just yesterday, the White House repeated his frequent line
of attack during New York's heated mayoral campaign, saying it speaks volumes that, quote, "we have a communist coming to the White House".
Mamdani is a Democrat socialist who says his goal is to make New York more affordable for the working class. One issue taking center stage right now
in U.S. politics is affordability. President Trump, who campaigned on a pledge to improve the economy, has dismissed affordability concerns. But
many Americans say they're struggling with the basics, like groceries, rent and childcare.
CNN's John King has been tracking American politics through the eyes and experiences of voters in our "ALL OVER THE MAP" series. In today's segment,
he travels to Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.
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JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR & CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Bethlehem is blue collar, full of people living paycheck-to-paycheck, full of people who come
to Jenny Jones for help.
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JENNY JONES, BUSINESS OWNER: My business assists people in repairing their credit, managing their finances, and basically being financially organized.
KING (on camera): And so, if you're busy, times are tough.
JONES: Absolutely, completely.
KING: Are you busy right now?
JONES: Super busy.
KING: What kind of stories are you hearing?
JONES: My husband lost all of his overtime. My kids daycare went up. I can't afford the cost of food. Using credit cards for everyday expenses. No
money left after their bills are paid. Pretty much just a whole bunch of financial mess.
KING: We changed presidents at the beginning of the year.
JONES: We did.
KING: And the guy who moved into the White House said that he was going to fix it. Several times, he said it would be easy.
JONES: Absolutely.
KING: Has he fixed it?
JONES: Absolutely not. I'm definitely waiting for him to fix it.
KING (on camera): Jones is a three-time Trump voter, but she says he has simply failed to keep his promise to lower the cost of living.
JONES: I'm very let down by that. Very let down because I feel like it's only gotten worse.
KING: Pennsylvania ranks highest among the states in terms of food inflation. Grocery prices here up more than 8 percent this past year. That
is way above the national average. Housing costs are another piece of the affordability challenge. A one bedroom apartment here in Bethlehem runs
about $1,900 a month on average. That is up nearly 6 percent from last year.
(voice-over): This is Gentleman's Barber Shop. Customers gripe a lot about rising costs. Ashley Ruiz tries to help.
ASHLEY RUIZ, PENNSYLVANIA DISTRICT 7 VOTER: I'll tell the client, hey, if you get it cut a little shorter, the haircut will have a longer life line
because I want them to feel like they're getting a service that will last longer so their money goes further.
KING: She gets it because she does the tough math at home. Rent, food, child care.
(on camera): All up.
RUIZ: They are a lot higher. So, I try to make wiser decisions and hope that things will get better.
KING (voice-over): A mix of politics around this table, but everyone agrees costs are up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Insurance is crazy. It's coming up more crazy than next year.
KING: Owner Ronald Corrales(ph) is another three-time Trump voter. When clients or coworkers grumble about costs, Corrales(ph) urges patience.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, hopefully soon. You know, like if --
KING (on camera): But it hasn't happened yet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not really, we don't really see it at the moment. Like I said, I think we have to give him some time.
KING: Back in Bethlehem's heyday, this was its economic powerhouse. Bethlehem Steel. But the blast furnace here last fired 30 years ago,
November 1995. A lot of change, but Bethlehem still matters politically. This is Pennsylvania's bellwether Northampton County, a place known for
picking winners.
The winner here in Northampton has gone on to win statewide and win the White House in the last five presidential elections, and in 29 of the 32
presidential elections dating back to 1900. Trump's win here in 2024 also helped flip this congressional district, Pennsylvania's 7th from blue to
red. Now, the margin in that House race was just 4,000 votes.
And so, with affordability as issue number one, Democrats have this district high on the target list as they try to retake the House in next
year's midterms.
(voice-over): John and Lisa Ronca own Carter's(ph) Bike Shop, their teenage daughter rides competitively, sometimes gets injured. They get their health
insurance through the Obamacare exchange and their renewal letter just came.
LISA RONCA, PENNSYLVANIA DISTRICT 7 VOTER: It's going to be triple --
KING (on camera): Triple this year --
L. RONCA: Which equates to double the cost of what we pay for our mortgage, for our house. So, that's so we can't keep that plan to say the least.
KING (voice-over): Healthcare costs going up. Their profit margin already down.
(on camera): But why? Is this a tariff question?
JOHN RONCA, PENNSYLVANIA DISTRICT 7 VOTER: Every like 2 to 3 months, we get letters from the companies, you know, we've got to increase. We're having a
10 percent increase, another 10 percent increase. And it just keeps escalating.
KING: Sales tend to spike around Christmas, but they're worried this year.
L. RONCA: Twenty inch Single-Speed kids bike was 250, which is still decent, decently high, $400 just in the last couple of months. So, it's
kind of tough, I don't know how many kids bikes are in for Christmas. I mean, who wants -- who is going to spend?
KING: From $250 --
L. RONCA: To $400 --
KING: To $400 in a couple of months --
L. RONCA: Yes --
KING: This year?
L. RONCA: Yes.
KING (voice-over): The Roncas don't like Trump and tend to vote blue, but they did support moderate Republican Charlie Dent a few years back when he
was the congressman here.
J. RONCA: And it's like I have no problem voting for either side if the person is good for the area.
KING: But their stress this November shapes their early thoughts about next November.
L. RONCA: Yes, just this year, it's a big change.
KING (on camera): He keeps saying that that's a myth, that prices are down. That you know, they're gone. Inflation is over.
L. RONCA: He doesn't go food shopping. I mean, I don't know, yes, it's hard.
KING: How do you vote, local or national?
J. RONCA: I would -- to me, I'm going to vote for a person who puts a check on him. You know what I mean?
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Who is going to --
L. RONCA: Yes --
J. RONCA: Who is going to rein --
KING: Right --
J. RONCA: The President in.
KING (voice-over): Frustration with prices and with the President in one of those places that tends to decide whether the country stays the course or
shifts gears.
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FOSTER: President Trump is attempting to backtrack from his extraordinary suggestion that six U.S. lawmakers be put to death over their video that
urges the military to disobey any unlawful orders. The controversy is consuming Capitol Hill. But before we get into the reaction, we want to
stress how extraordinary the video is itself. An unprecedented call from members of Congress who previously served in the military or Intelligence
community.
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REP. CHRIS DELUZIO (D-PA): The threats to our constitution aren't just coming from abroad --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But from right here at home.
SEN. MARK KELLY (D-AZ): Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can refuse illegal orders.
DELUZIO: You must refuse illegal orders.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No one has to carry out orders that violate the law --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Or our constitution.
UNIDENTIFIEED MALE: We know this is hard.
KELLY: And that it's a difficult time to be a public servant.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But whether you're serving in the CIA --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The army --
DELUZIO: Or Navy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Air Force.
KELLY: Your vigilance is critical.
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FOSTER: Mr. Trump responded by writing on social media, "seditious behavior punishable by death." He also shared a post suggesting they should be
hanged. Today, he said he's not threatening the lawmakers with death, but, quote, "they are in serious trouble." Those lawmakers aren't backing down,
saying it's not a crime to state federal law. They say this should not be a partisan issue.
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DELUZIO: It's an outrageous call for political violence against me and my colleagues who are members of Congress elected, sharing a basic and
fundamental truth about our constitution. And it's a moment where Democrats and Republicans and everyone else in the country should condemn his calls
for political violence.
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FOSTER: Reaction is largely along party lines. Democrats are outraged at Mr. Trump's proposal. His response, rather, the top Senate Democrat has
ordered Capitol police to step up security, warning lives may be in danger.
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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): When Donald Trump uses the language of execution and treason, some of his supporters may very well listen. He is lighting a
match in a country soaked with political gasoline.
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FOSTER: The top House Republican, meanwhile, suggests he's more troubled by the video of Mr. Trump's response.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA): That was wildly inappropriate. It is very dangerous. You have leading members of Congress telling troops to disobey
orders. I think that's unprecedented in American history. I know young soldiers, airmen, sailors, they don't need that kind of nonsense from
people in Congress. It is very dangerous.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: CNN's Kristen Holmes is at the White House with more. I mean, people are really bedding in with their views on this one.
KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, they are. And the White House is not backing down from it. Just to reiterate what we heard from the
Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt yesterday, she deflected these questions about political violence and political violent rhetoric.
One of the things we've heard from Republicans over and over again, particularly in the wake of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, is that it's
Democrats who are fanning the flames of political violence. But Leavitt was specifically asked about that in reference to President Trump's remarks. He
posted roughly 16 times on Truth Social about this.
And then one of them said seditious act punishable by death. Leavitt says that President Trump does not want or is not asking for these Democratic
lawmakers to be executed, but then went back to talking about Democrats, saying that it was inappropriate to try and avoid the chain of command or
commander-in-chief.
And one thing to point out, when President Trump says that they're in trouble, talking about these lawmakers, saying basically, again, that he is
not calling for their execution, but that he does believe that they're in trouble. What exactly does President Trump mean by that? And we've reached
out to the White House to try and get some answers.
Is he indicating that the Department of Justice or that he has directed the Department of Justice to look into this video in any way? And we don't have
a clear answer on that. One of the things just to point out here is over and over again. In that video, which I have watched now a number of times,
these Democratic lawmakers, most of them with a military or Intel background, they specifically say you don't have to obey orders if they are
illegal.
That is the key phrase here. If they are illegal. They also say you don't have to obey orders if they break the law. They are very clear on the exact
wording that they are using. And now you're hearing the President saying, well, they're asking us to subvert the chain of command, or they're asking
the military to subvert the chain of command.
That is not what they were saying in that video, but that is what we are hearing from the White House and the President, as they've been defending
these remarks.
FOSTER: Kristen, thank you. Still to come, a CNN investigation finds stunning evidence of security police killing protesters in Tanzania. The
details and the shocking footage just ahead.
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FOSTER: Now to a CNN exclusive investigation that's found stunning evidence that police in Tanzania killed protesters following a dispute -- a disputed
October election that rocked the country. Thousands of people took to the streets angry over election results calling it unfair. But a forensic
examination of videos and satellite imagery has now revealed police security forces opened fire on civilians who were demonstrating.
A warning, viewers may find the upcoming content graphic and disturbing. CNN's Larry Madowo reports.
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LARRY MADOWO, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Election Day Tanzania. Bloody scenes across the country. The streets have become a
hunting ground.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is what the police have done to the people.
MADOWO (voice-over): Security forces crack down on protesters angry at the government of President Samia Suluhu Hassan amid claims of an unfair
election. Three weeks on, the true scale of the bloodshed is still emerging. In an exclusive investigation, CNN analyzed dozens of videos
showing protesters shot and found evidence linking security forces to the killing of civilians as well as signs of mass graves that conceal the
extent of their brutality. The main opposition party says at least 2,000 people were killed during the week-long protests.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need our freedom in my country. Why are you -- why are you killing us?
MADOWO (voice-over): With eyewitnesses now too terrified to speak out, CNN alongside Open-Source Investigator Benjamin Strick has examined what
happened across the country. In the city of Arusha, forensic analysis of video reveals how two people died near this intersection. It's
midafternoon, a group of protesters gather at this corner as armed police approach. Note the man in the red t-shirt holding what appears to be a rock
who we'll come back to.
At this point, the police are here on the map. Two minutes later, chaos as people run down the street. The police advance to the intersection. Then
shots ring out. The woman in purple carrying a stick and a rock is hit by a bullet in the back. You can see the hole in the fabric of her shirt here.
She falls instantly.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mama! Mama!
MADOWO (voice-over): People try to help her. As she lies bleeding, more gunshots. A minute later, across the street, a group of men takes cover.
Among them, the man with a red t-shirt. From a video filmed on the other side of the road, we can see police are now positioned at the intersection
around 100 meters away. A protester shouts profanity in their direction --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (BLEEP) you!
MADOWO (voice-over): And then --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (BLEEP) you!
MADOWO (voice-over): The man in red is shot in the head. Audio forensic analysis of these videos confirms the gunshots that killed both of these
protesters came from the direction and distance of the police position. The woman in purple died from her injuries in the street. She was three months
pregnant and was a bread winner for her husband and two young children, according to a source close to her family. The man's wife shrieks in grief
over his lifeless body.
These two lives lost are just a fraction of the blood shed across Tanzania over late October and early November as the government tries to stamp out
the protests.
In Mwanza, Tanzania's second largest city, grim scenes outside the regional hospital. Bodies piled up. One doctor who was too afraid to speak on camera
told CNN the morgue was full from those killed during the crackdown, saying on one day alone there were "four trips with piles of dead bodies taken to
the mortuary until it was full just for others to be piled outside." He said when doctors tried to save the wounded, "the police would refuse and
take them to the mortuary directly for them to die there."
In Dar es Salaam, another morgue overwhelmed. The government called this video fake, but CNN verified the location as Mwananyamala Hospital. One
woman told CNN she recognized her missing brother among the dozens of bodies spread across the floor.
The scale of the killing may never be fully revealed. Police are accused of dumping bodies in mass graves in an effort to conceal numbers. At this
location north of Dar es Salaam, a video shows a wide area of freshly turned soil. This matches testimony shared with CNN that young men were
ordered to dig the site for mass burials. While CNN cannot independently verify the existence of mass graves, satellite imagery at the Kondo
Cemetery before and after the protests shows disturbance in the soil which supports the allegation.
The Tanzanian police and government have so far refused to confirm a death toll and dismissed the opposition's numbers as "hugely exaggerated." They
did not respond to CNN's request for comment for this story. For this devastated family, a burial of their missing loved one's belongings is the
nearest they will get to closure for now as the final fate of so many of Tanzania's young people remains unknown.
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MADOWO (on camera): President Hassan has launched a commission of inquiry into the unrest across Tanzania. But she drew new outrage by suggesting
that the protesters were paid to go on the streets. Hundreds of young people have been charged with treason, an offense that carries the death
penalty if found guilty.
Larry Madowo, CNN, Johannesburg.
FOSTER: Now to a developing story out of Nigeria where students were kidnapped from a Catholic private school today. Police say armed bandits
abducted an unknown number of students from their residences at St. Mary's School in North Central Niger state. This follows a similar attack earlier
this week on a church in the neighboring state. These attacks are adding a new wrinkle between the U.S. and Nigeria over Christian issues. And the
U.S. is now considering sanctions over the concerns.
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JONATHAN PRATT, BUREAU OF AFRICAN AFFAIRS, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT: The Trump Administration is developing a plan to incentivize and compel the Nigerian
government to better protect Christian communities and improve religious freedom. This plan will consider U.S. State and Treasury engagement on
sanctions as well as Possible department of War engagement on counterterrorism and other efforts to protect religious communities.
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FOSTER: Now, a fire at the COP 30 climate conference in Brazil sent 13 people to hospital for smoke inhalation. The fire was quickly brought under
control thankfully, but it filled the building in Belem with black smoke. While the cause is still unknown, local officials believe electrical
equipment, likely a microwave, was the source. The blaze is another setback in what's been a tumultuous couple of weeks for the event after protesters
stormed the conference last week and many others staged challenges outside the venue.
Now to Vietnam where torrential rain has caused deadly flooding and landslides. At least 41 people have lost their lives in the floods and
landslides. Some towns have been overwhelmed by rain that's reached 1,500 mm or five feet. The storms left more than a half a million homes in the
dark thanks to power grids being damaged during the floods. And meteorologists say there is no sign yet of the heavy rain even letting up.
Still to come tonight, Miss Mexico walks out with a big win again despite the bullying she suffered at the Miss Universe pageant. The controversy and
the victory just ahead.
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FOSTER: Just moments ago in Bologna, Italy, people are taking to the streets demonstrating against Israel's basketball team ahead of the
EuroLeague game between two teams Maccabi Tel Aviv and the Virtus Bologna. You can see the protesters there firing some sort of homemade fire cannon
as they -- as they demonstrate. There are lasers there and police turning a water cannon on to protesters. This has happened just in the last hour or
so. The match is expected to take place despite concerns from the mayor of Bologna City Council warning that there would be protests if this match
went ahead. We've had seen similar scenes, haven't we, with Maccabi football team.
Now, a glittering finale. Beautiful delegates from more than 100 countries on five continents in a pageant plagued by scandal. Mexico's 25-year-old
Fatima Bosch walked away with the crown in Thailand where the competition was held in front of millions watching. But as CNN's Christina Macfarlane
reports, there were a few major hiccups, let's say, along the way.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Universe! Miss Universe!
CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN SENIOR SPORTS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A crowning moment in Bangkok as Mexico's Fatima Bosch was named Miss Universe
2025 in a competition overshadowed by scandal. Speaking to reporters after her victory, Bosch says she wasn't afraid to be herself.
FATIMA BOSCH, MISS UNIVERSE: And I would like them to remember me like a person that changed a little bit the prototype of what is a Miss Universe.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mexico, where are you?
MACFARLANE (voice-over): The 25-year-old was publicly scolded by the Thai pageant director, Nawat Itsaragrisil, during a live streamed pre-pageant
meeting earlier this month, accusing her of not posting enough content to promote the host country, Thailand.
BOSCH: You are not respecting me as a woman. When Bosch pushed back, Nawat threatened to call security.
NAWAT ITSARAGRISIL, THAI PAGEANT DIRECTOR: Security!
MACFARLANE (voice-over): And to disqualify anyone supporting her. Then came this. A mass walkout of contestants in solidarity with Miss Mexico. The
confrontation went viral, sparking global support for Bosch, including Mexico's president, Claudia Sheinbaum.
CLAUDIA SHEINBAUM, PRESIDENT, MEXICO (through translator): Women look more beautiful when we raise our voices and participate because that has to do
with the recognition of our rights. So, I recognize this young woman.
BOSCH: Thank you so much.
MACFARLANE (voice-over): Nawat later apologized in a live-streamed welcome ceremony and declined to further comment on the incident to CNN.
ITSARAGRISIL: The pressure is a lot. I am the human. Sometimes I cannot control. But by the way, I have not intend to harm anyone.
MACFARLANE (voice-over): The Miss Universe president distanced the organization from Nawat's behavior, limiting his role in future events. But
the scandals didn't stop there. Former Miss Universe winner Alicia Machado was accused of making racist comments against Nawat over the incident.
Machado did not respond to CNN's request for comment. Then, days before the final, two judges abruptly stepped down. One judge was composer Omar
Harfouch, he claimed the contest was rigged, saying that finalists were pre-selected, a claim the organization denied.
Finally, on Thursday night, the Miss Universe crown was awarded to Miss Mexico. And for fans in Bosch's hometown of Villahermosa, the win is all
that mattered.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Spectacular. The win is for Mexicans and all Tabascans. Viva Fatima.
MACFARLANE (voice-over): Christina Macfarlane, CNN, London.
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FOSTER: Still to come tonight, the Superman comic just sold for $9 million. After the break, a comic book expert explains why the price went up and up
and away.
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FOSTER: Known for its unique wildlife, fast beaches, beautiful scenery, the Oceania region is nothing if not picturesque. Now, this year's winners of
the Oceania photo contest prove how picture-worthy the wildlife of the region truly is. It features animals from Australia, New Zealand, Papua New
Guinea, and the Solomon Islands. 3,500 photos were submitted in six different categories, ranging from climate to people and nature. But it was
this image of divers rescuing a humpback whale entangled in heavy rusted chains that took the top prize.
Now, a Superman comic has become the most expensive comic book in history. The first run edition of Superman Number One, sold for record-breaking,
wait for it, $9 million this week. It was published in 1939 by DC Comics, who are owned by CNN's parent company, Warner Brothers. The historic comic
easily eclipsed the previous record, which was $6 million.
The sellers were three brothers who said they had no idea the magazine was in the family until they came across it in their mother's attic. She had
bought it back before World War II when it was being sold for just 10 cents.
Alex Grand, the author of Understanding Superhero Comic Books. I mean, this is the stuff of legend for you guys, right?
ALEX GRAND, AUTHOR, UNDERSTANDING SUPERHERO COMIC BOOKS: Oh, yes. For sure. You know, Superman was created in 1938 by two young Jewish men in Cleveland
and, you know, it was a one-shot character. They submitted it some years before that. No one ever knew it'd be such a huge success. And it -- when
it did finally get published, it was the first superhero in American comic books. It's a massive deal. A lot of copycat characters after that. And
that was the first character to have a costume, superpowers, a mission of justice, and that template has been recreated over and over and over again.
There's more complexity to later heroes, but that's the one that starts it all. So, it doesn't surprise me that this would be worth so much at this
time.
FOSTER: So, it was found in their mother's attic. They had some indication that they had a comic book collection, but one Christmas apparently, they
started rummaging around and found a collection there. As I understand it, I think it was in California, wasn't it? And because of the atmosphere in
California, actually, it protected them really well. In other parts of the country, they would have been completely degraded.
GRAND: Yes. And it depends, you know, things like insulation, things like that do matter. Also, that the temperatures, they don't get crazy cold or
crazy hot. So, that definitely helped. You know, back in the later 40s, a lot of parents would throw these comic books away. Even in the early 50s,
they were even having their kids burn their comics, burn them in big piles, you know, just because of some of the stuff that was in some of those
comics.
Superman, of course, is a very G-rated character. And for whatever reason, these brothers, their mom and, you know, the -- and whoever before that,
they didn't follow the crowd. They didn't say, you know, let's just burn these things up or throw them away. For some reason, they kept it. They --
this -- you know, the fish that swims upstream sometimes lucks out, and that's what happened here.
FOSTER: Who are the buyers then? Because I don't know if we know the specific buyers, but generally for these very expensive comics, are they
investors or are they fans?
GRAND: Yes, you know, it's probably -- you know, it's hard to say. A lot of times it is investors. But when they buy at an all-time high, usually
that's not really going to be an investor. Usually, investors are going for the low price so they can sell it later. It's probably like a very wealthy
fan. That's what I would guess.
You know, remember that Superman Number One is not the first appearance of the character. That happened in the prior year in Action Comics Number One.
It's definitely the first time a superhero that was the first one had his own comic, so that is important. But you know, so I would think that it was
probably it may have been a very, very wealthy fan who may not -- may not have known that it's not as -- that it's not the character's first
appearance. It's definitely interesting. I think it was a wealthy fan. That's what I think.
FOSTER: How much for that other comic you mentioned then, the original appearance?
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GRAND: Well, that's going to be more, right? Because -- but the -- you know, another thing that this -- that does matter here is that it was a
very high grade, right? When comics are graded, you know, they're either all chipped at the corners or there are missing pages. When it's basically
a near mint copy, that adds a rare -- a rareness to it, too.
So, the fact that this one was as good of a condition, you know, that might be hard to find the previous comic as good of condition. So, I think
condition matters. If -- from zero to 10, you know, even a condition of 9.0 versus 9.8, even that difference can add millions of dollars to a value.
So, it just kind of depends.
FOSTER: Give us a tip then. What should people be looking for?
GRAND: Well, go -- everyone, go in your attic and make sure there isn't some old box that hasn't been rummaged through in a while. You may -- you
never know what you may find. You know, it all comes down to scarcity. I think another thing also is with A.I. art. A.I. storytelling coming out,
there's something about just genuine 20th century storytelling, right? There's something about that century. There is no A.I. there. The first
superhero comic book, you know, to get his own, that's genuine imagination, genuine storytelling.
FOSTER: Yes.
GRAND: I think there's something about that. And the more A.I. takes over, the more --
FOSTER: The graphics is iconic.
GRAND: Yes. And the more A.I. takes over --
FOSTER: We got to go, Alex. I really appreciate you join -- joining us and explaining it. Thanks for watching tonight. I'm next as well with "WHAT WE
KNOW" coming up in the next hour.
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