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House Oversight Subcommittee Subpoenas Ghislaine Maxwell; Trump's Epstein Nightmare Worsens Amid Republicans Revolt; Trump Administration Moves Rapidly To Deport Migrant Children; Tesla Earnings Tumble Again On Its EV Sales Slump; Border Clashes Intensify Between Cambodia And Thailand; GHF Aid Trucks Enter Gaza; WFP: Israeli Tanks Opened Fire On Palestinian Seeking Food; Bryan Kohberger Sentenced To Life Without Parole; Aired 12-1p ET
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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: Another day, another wrinkle in the saga of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. The second hour of "One World" starts
right now.
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REP. ROBERT GARCIA (D-CA): Are they going to be part of the cover-up today? Or do they do the right thing that this is their opportunity to get the
files in front of the American public?
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GOLODRYGA: New twists, new turns, and rare bipartisan support. Everything you need to know about Donald Trump's Epstein nightmare.
Also ahead, escalating battle, why civilians on the border between Thailand and Cambodia are scared for their safety.
And later.
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Hello, everyone. Live from New York, I'm Bianna Golodryga. Zain is off today. You're watching the second hour of "One World." There have been a
flurry of new developments in the story that has consumed Washington lately, and that is the uproar over the Epstein files.
Today's action begins in Florida, where the second most powerful person at the Justice Department Todd Blanche, who has also served as Donald Trump's
personal lawyer, is meeting with Epstein's accomplice and convicted child sex trafficker, Ghislaine Maxwell.
Maxwell has been subpoenaed to testify in front of Congress next month. And the same committee that wants to speak with her now says that it wants the
DOJ to turn over all of its Epstein evidence.
Meanwhile, sources tell CNN that U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi told the President back in May that his name is in the Epstein files.
Now, there is no indication that Trump is implicated in any illegal activity, but it raises questions about why he said no when he was asked
just days ago about that very issue.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On Epstein, on the review of the files Attorney General Pam Bondi briefed you on that.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Very quickly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did -- did she tell you -- what did she tell you about the review? And specifically, did she tell you at all that your name
appeared in the file -- in the file?
TRUMP: No, no. She said she's given us just a very quick briefing. And in terms of the credibility of the different things that they've seen.
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GOLODRYGA: With more on all this, let's go to Capitol Hill and CNN congressional correspondent Lauren Fox.
And, Lauren, if House Speaker Mike Johnson thought this would all go away just by calling for an early recess, he was mistaken. Now, we've had that
subpoena of Ghislaine Maxwell scheduled by the bipartisan committee there for August 11th, along with the Clintons, we should know as well. What more
are we learning from this fallout?
LAUREN FOX, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I mean, just to set the stage for you, earlier in the week, the House Rules Committee had to
adjourn because they did not want to have a vote like the one that took place in that oversight subcommittee.
In fact, there were several other attempts from Democrats throughout the week in some of these committee hearings to keep the Epstein issue front
and center.
And time again, rather than deal with the issue or take the vote, Republicans would adjourn the committee or instead just hold it in a
recess.
Last night was such a departure from what we had seen the previous several days, and that is because the House Oversight Subcommittee actually worked
with Republicans and Democrats to find a subpoena that they could all agree to.
There were some last minute changes to the subpoena that was introduced by a Democrat, Representative Summer Lee, in which Republicans fought to
ensure that no victim information was included. That was important to Representative Nancy Mace.
There were also other considerations, including broadening the list of people who may be deposed as part of that subpoena. Those individuals will
now include the Clintons as well as former attorney generals.
So that is a really interesting piece of this dynamic here, which is that Republicans and Democrats work together in order to move this subpoena
forward.
Now our colleague Annie Grayer caught up with James Comer just a short time ago. And he made clear that he does plan to sign that subpoena. And that it
may take some time to play out. But it gives you a sense that when lawmakers return after the August recess, this issue is not going to go
away.
And that is because these subpoenas take time. There's also, like you noted, James Comer has already subpoenaed Ghislaine Maxwell, an associate
of Epstein. We expect that she will be deposed by the committee in mid- August.
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So this is going to be a much longer process, a longer investigation. And again, the subpoena for all of those Epstein files was included in this
broad list of documents and interviews that House Republicans and Democrats now want to see as part of this investigation.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Lauren Fox on Capitol Hill, thank you so much.
A bit more on how Republicans are handling the whirlwind of developments here. We're joined by Republican strategist Maura Gillespie. She is the
founder of Bluestacks Strategies and has been an advisor to several Republicans in Congress.
Another week, another headache for this administration and the president as it relates to his association with Jeffrey Epstein so many years ago.
Maura, the last time we spoke, you said that it would be actually beneficial for Republicans the more we saw the Democrats jump on this
bandwagon, but now, we find ourselves in this unique position politically where Democrats and Republicans have come together on this subject matter.
So now what? What does this mean for the president?
MAURA GILLESPIE, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: The fact that these committees went ahead and, you know, as Lauren pointed out with the rules committee sort of
putting at least the House side in a standstill. You know, that was one aspect.
And then you saw House Oversight, you know, bring her in for scheduled a subpoena for August 11th without consulting with Speaker Johnson, without
consulting with the president. And so that tells me that House Republicans and just in Congress, they're realizing that they have to go home to their
constituents and have an answer for something because they don't want to be focused on us entirely.
So they need to focus on, OK, we promised transparency. Let's do that. Let's stick with that idea that we want to have transparency, but also then
focus on the win.
And so in order to do that, they have to be, you know, fair and honest with them and use the position because they are the ones in power, right? You
know, House Republicans control -- Speaker Johnson has control of the gavel and then in the Senate, Senator John Thune is in charge.
So really, they have no excuses as to why they can't. And relying on the president who's gone through all the cycles of denial, disparagement,
shifting blame, none of it has worked.
The traditional playbook that Trump has succeeded with isn't working this time. And Republicans realize he's a lame duck president. They need to
think about their midterms, their reelection campaigns. And so this is one issue they don't want to be focused on. So they need to move past it. And
the best way we've passed it is to call for transparency.
GOLODRYGA: But they've defied their own party base in efforts to defend the president, whether it's DOGE cuts, whether it's this unpopular spending
bill before.
So, what is the strategy here? Is it their attempt to defend the president before their constituents or to defy him?
GILLESPIE: I don't know that it's -- they're viewing it, whether it's defying. I think they're playing them. I truly believe that they're playing
the best hand that they can, looking past him because Trump is going to be out of power. So, he is very much showing his age as of late.
They recognize the fact that their reelection campaigns, yes, in the midterm, maybe he'll be helpful, but maybe he won't be. You know, we don't
know what the next year will bring. And if those short-term pains that he has cited for long-term gains will actually come to fruition before the
2026 midterm elections, we don't know that yet.
And so Republicans have to think about what's in my best interest as far as speaking to their constituents and delivering the wins. Because is this
Epstein drama lowering grocery costs? Is it making housing more affordable? I would say that it's currently not, right? It's not having an impact
there. And so they need to get back to the messaging that they ran on.
And -- and part of what they ran on was transparency and making sure the DOJ was not being weaponized. And so how did they do that with this drama
sitting there out there front and center? They need to address it, but then be able to shift their actual messaging they want to focus on, especially
as they're all headed home, you know, House is out now, they're going home to their constituents, they're going home to their districts. They need to
focus on what it is their constituents voted for.
And this Epstein issue is not something that they want to be really caught up in. And being caught up in it would be to be defending the president.
And so they don't need to be doing that. They need to be focused on their issues at hand.
GOLODRYGA: How much of Epstein -- how much of their constituents focus on this Epstein scandal? Because it doesn't, as you said, lower grocery
prices. And it doesn't impact their day to day lives.
So, why are they so adamant about getting to the bottom of this? I mean, I know there are some like Marjorie Taylor Greene who rose to prominence
because they did peddle in conspiracy theories. And she has said for one to our reporters that her phones are ringing off the hook from constituents
who want answers here. But is that the case for most Republicans?
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GILLESPIE: I would say it's not the case for most Republicans. But what -- what this issue has highlighted is the cracks in trust because the campaign
of Donald Trump ran on this. They ran on transparency. They ran on saying they had this information. And so it really does then call into question
and putting those cracks into the trust that MAGA loyalists had, but also Republican at large.
If he's lying about this, then what else is he lied to us about? And so that's where I think that people are so upset because this is one of the
first times where they have really doubted what's going on.
They don't trust -- they -- and -- and they have given Trump so much trust and they give him a pass on so many things, which as a Republican has
shocked me, to be quite -- to be quite honest.
But this is the first time where the loudest voices in the MAGA movement are now questioning him, you know, his response to "The Wall Street
Journal" letter to Jeffrey Epstein for his birthday, you know, about this drawing.
He then tweeted out, I've never drawn a picture of my life. You know, that just blatantly is a lie. We know it's documented that it's a lie. But, you
know, the fact that he would lie about something so silly like that, what else has he lied about?
And I think that those cracks in the trust and in their faith in Donald Trump is what you're seeing, why they want the answers, why they want to
know what's going on because they need -- and for some of them, I think they just need to know. They need to know rip off the Band-Aid. I want this
information so that they can then decide how to move on from there.
Because not all Trump voters are Republican voters. They may not come out for the midterms. But it's important that -- that Republicans in Congress
address the issue because they don't want to be caught up in this mess, because if they get caught up in which part of the lie or which tactic
Trump is using that day, they'll get lost and then they'll be part of the problem and they don't need that headache.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. And it's clear this problem is not going away anytime soon for the president as much as he would like to see it go away.
Republican strategist, Maura Gillespie, thank you so much.
GILLESPIE: Thanks for having me.
GOLODRYGA: Turning -- turning now to a CNN exclusive, the Trump administration is moving to rapidly deport migrant children who have
arrived in the U.S. without a parent or guardian.
Sources say federal agents have been directed this week to ask teenagers whether they want to voluntarily leave the country all part of the
administration's efforts to ramp up deportations.
CNN's Priscilla Alvarez has the details.
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PRISCILLA ALVAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The Trump administration is moving to rapidly deport migrant children, specifically rolling out a new policy of
asking migrant teens if they want to voluntarily depart.
Now, this is part of an ongoing effort that has included targeting migrant children who crossed the U.S.-Mexico border unaccompanied.
Now, while they may be living in the United States and going through their legal proceedings, they are still deemed unaccompanied because of the way
they crossed into the United States.
Well, now according to a directive that came down this week, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, an agency that has been carrying out immigration
enforcement across the country, is to ask migrant teens, those age 14 to 17, if they want to leave the country, again, if they are swept up in these
operations.
Now, if a child says yes, then they would be turned over to immigration and customs enforcement. What that skips, however, is what usually would happen
in a scenario like this where CBP would encounter a migrant child and then send them to the Health and Human Services Department, which is charged
with their care.
So this is a change though. The Department of Homeland Security says that it is part of longstanding practice. What they say is that, quote, this is
a longstanding practice that was used by previous administrations to prioritize getting children back to the safety of a parent or legal
guardian in their home country.
The only change pursuant to the Big, Beautiful Bill is expanding this option to return home to -- return home to UACs, Unaccompanied Alien
Children from additional countries beyond Mexico and Canada.
It is that last line that is critical there because, yes, the -- the United States has swiftly removed unaccompanied migrant children who arrive from
Mexico and Canada because they are continuous countries and that's how it's written in the law. So these children do not spend much time in the United
States at all.
However, the change here is that it would apply to children of all nationalities who have been living in the United States with guardians or
family members while they go through their legal proceedings.
So, this is something that advocates and attorneys are watching closely to see how federal agents apply this policy, but the Department of Homeland
Security is maintaining that this isn't a seismic change the way that advocates believe it to be.
Back to you.
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GOLODRYGA: Our thanks to Priscilla for that report.
Meantime, the Trump administration unveiled its action plan on AI scaling back regulation, but expanding infrastructure and investments in the U.S.
signaling that staying ahead of China is a priority.
President Trump signed executive orders on the new policies Wednesday. He'd already repealed Joe Biden's actions to place safeguards around AI
development and use.
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TRUMP: The American people do not want woke Marxist lunacy in the AI models and neither do other countries. They don't want it. They don't want
anything to do with it.
That's why on day one, I very proudly terminated Joe Biden's order on woke AI effective immediately. You don't have any of those crazy rules. Crazy
rules.
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GOLODRYGA: Lawmakers and tech leaders have been divided on how AI should be regulated. Critics say the government is putting the tech industry above
concerns about loss of jobs and child safety.
We'll turn now to the price of Tesla's stock, which is down nearly 10 percent. The slump comes after the electric vehicle titan reported a
double-digit drop in adjusted earnings for the second quarter.
CEO Elon Musk warned of a potentially rough ride period -- rough period ahead of -- ahead for the company as it grapples with weakening demand and
fading government support.
Joining us live from New York, CNN business correspondent Vanessa Yurkevich. And, Vanessa, it does seem to -- it does seem to be a question
for investors and shareholders that Elon Musk has become something of a liability for the company, which he built and founded.
VANESSA YURKEVICH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. It's just another bleak quarter for the company. As you mentioned, adjusted net income down double digits,
23 percent.
And the sales of cars revenue from automotive is down 16 percent in the second quarter. And there's a couple things playing out here. One is the
popularity of Tesla itself and the cars, but it's also about the popularity of Elon Musk himself.
Of course, he is the founder and the CEO of the company, but there has been a lot of pushback against him and some of his political leanings and that
may have de-incentivized consumers from -- from purchasing a Tesla.
We also know that EV sales are rising. There's more interest, but a lot of consumers are buying electric vehicles made by other companies.
Also on the government side of things, there's this tax credit program essentially that Tesla has been using selling EV tax credits to other car
makers. That program is now going away and that was a big revenue stream for Tesla.
Also, the $7,500 EV tax credit for consumers in order to incentivize them to buy electric vehicles. That is phasing out in October. And that was
another big incentive for people to buy cars like a Tesla.
Elon Musk on this earnings call talked about the future of the company, but also put into question what the next few quarters would look like. Here he
is on the earnings call.
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ELON MUSK, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, TESLA: We could have a few rough quarters. Yes, we probably could have a few rough quarters. I'm not saying
it well, but we could.
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YURKEVICH: And so he is very much saying that the outlook may not look very good in the near-term. The question is, what is the long-term sort of
future of Tesla? You raised the question about whether or not Elon Musk himself is a liability.
We know that he left his position with DOGE with the Trump administration and turn his attention back to the company, something that investors were
calling for.
But another -- another quarter of really dismal earnings obviously doesn't put a big vote of confidence into Elon Musk and the company. Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: No, not at all. And as we're talking about the richest man in the world, CNN has new reporting on the widening pay gap between some top
executives and average workers here in the United States. What are we finding?
YURKEVICH: Yes. We know that CEOs get paid a lot of money, but the disparity between the CEOs and the average worker is really, really stark.
So the CEO, who has the biggest sort of scale in terms of how much more he makes than his employees is Brian Niccol of Starbucks, just appointed last
year. He makes a whopping 6,666 times more than his average worker in the company that makes on average about $15,000 a year.
That is just absolutely staggering. So his compensation is about $98 million. And you compare that to the $15,000 that was found in this report
by the AFL-CIO.
And, obviously, this is something that workers have raised repeatedly across many different companies. Starbucks has formed a union. And one of
their big, big complaints is that workers don't get paid enough.
And when you look at what the CEO is getting paid, maybe they have a little bit of a point. I remember just a few years ago when I interviewed Mary
Barra, the CEO of GM, one of the questions that I asked her because we were hearing from a lot of those union workers at GM was, why does she see pay
raises of 34 percent? She makes almost 30 million dollars. And the workers were fighting for a pay raise of about 30 percent.
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So it's that disparity that is really staggering. But for the workers, a lot of these workers who are part of unions like Starbucks, General Motors,
this is something they've been fighting against for a while. But just seeing those numbers and how much of a difference it is, is just quite
something to look at, Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: Really eye-opening numbers there indeed. Vanessa Yurkevich, always good to see. Thank you.
YURKEVICH: Thanks.
GOLODRYGA: Still to come for us, a deadly border dispute between Thailand and Cambodia is escalating. What caused this latest violent flare to flare
up?
Also ahead.
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ALVEA GONCALVES, KAYLEE GONCALVES' SISTER: Your textbook case of insecurity disguised as control. Let me be very clear, don't ever try to convince
yourself you mattered just because someone finally said your name out loud.
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GOLODRYGA: Families of Idaho murder victims spoke out at Bryan Kohberger's sentencing hearing. We'll have more on the powerful impact statements
ahead.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Hulk Hogan, one of the most famous professional wrestlers ever, has just died. This news just into CNN.
Hogan reportedly died of a heart attack today. He grew to fame in the 1980s when he appeared in the movie Rocky III. Hogan later became the face of
professional wrestling as world champion of the World Wrestling Federation.
Hulk Hogan, a legend in the wrestling world, dead at the age of 71.
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GOLODRYGA: Turning overseas now, clashes broke out Thursday morning along Thailand and Cambodia shared 800 kilometer border. Thailand also launched
airstrikes against Cambodian military targets.
Thai officials say at least 12 people have been killed. Both countries have recalled their ambassadors and are urging citizens near the border to
return home as soon as possible.
This violence marks a significant escalation following weeks of brief clashes, as our Will Ripley reports.
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WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This started out as a pretty small skirmish on the border between Thailand and Cambodia back in May. And now, just
within the last several hours, after weeks of kind of slowly simmering, the situation has really exploded. Where now, there are points of conflict at,
at least six locations along the more than 500-mile land border between Thailand and Cambodia.
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You have artillery being fired from the Cambodian side, that artillery hitting civilian areas in Thailand, including a 7-Eleven, and there was a
very gruesome video that was shared on social media showing people who were badly injured and a plume of smoke rising from that civilian convenience
store after what was described as a Cambodian rocket attack.
The rocket may apparently have missed its target. Certainly, you would hope they wouldn't be aiming for places like a gas station and a convenience
store.
As a response, the much larger Thai military sent F-16s to bomb the military locations where that artillery fire was coming from. And you have
the border which is normally open between the two countries, it's a very vibrant region, a lot of temples, a lot of trade back and forth. They've
locked down and shut down the border so there's no movement back and forth.
They've recalled their ambassadors on both sides. Thailand is warning its citizens to get out of Cambodia as soon as possible.
So, this is not looking good because these regional skirmishes can sometimes things can happen. And even if both sides don't want a war, they
can certainly turn into a war pretty quickly. If the wrong series of events, the wrong -- the wrong sequence of events takes place.
Now on this border between Thailand and Cambodia, they've been clashing for literally decades. This goes back all the way to the time when the French
were occupying Cambodia and they drew this artificial line between the two countries.
And the problem was is that people on the Cambodian side thought that some of the line on the Thailand side belonged to them, including these historic
temples, these strikingly beautiful temples. So there are temples in Thailand that Cambodian people think should be theirs.
And there are temples in Cambodia that Thai people think should be there. So there's a lot of deep resentment and hurt feelings about this
artificially drawn border that happened during the colonial times.
And here we are now in 2025, that border skirmish is once again erupting with the potential to turn into something big. Even though right now, it
seems as if both sides don't want it to escalate further, but they may perhaps not exactly sure how to dial it down considering the fierce
nationalist sentiment that's bubbling in both of those countries on the ground right now.
And on top of all of it, the Thailand Prime Minister has been suspended because she had a phone call with a leader in Cambodia and it was leaked.
And people thought that she was too friendly on the phone call to her Cambodian counterpart trying to strike a deal. That audio has now landed
her in serious trouble.
And you have the Thailand military calling a lot of the shots. Of course, Thailand has had more military coups in its history than most other modern
countries, including most recently back in 2014.
So very interesting and tense times indeed. And we will be watching all of it.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Our thanks to Will Ripley. We'll keep an eye on that developing situation.
Still to come on "One World."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: By Hamas.
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GOLODRYGA: As aid trickles into Gaza, Israel says Hamas is to blame for the worsening humanitarian crisis there. We'll have an update from the ground
after the break.
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GOLODRYGA: Welcome back to "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga.
After months of warnings from aid agencies about a starvation crisis in Gaza, the worst-case scenarios appear to be unfolding. The head of the U.N.
agency for Palestinian refugees said a colleague described it this way, "People in Gaza are neither dead or alive. They are walking corpses."
Medical staff are also dealing with hunger and exhaustion, just like the rest of the population. Here's how one surgeon and -- one surgeon at Al-
Ahli (ph) restaurant -- hospital described his experience. "I collapsed two days ago from exhaustion, hunger, and low blood sugar. An hour later, they
found a spoon of sugar stirred it into tea so that I could get back to surgery, stop the bleeding. We live in a nightmare or a fantasy film."
And CNN has learned Israel has recalled its negotiating team from talks in Qatar. The reason, a new proposal from Hamas that one source calls a
positive response.
One official tells CNN there's optimism, but the talks are still fragile. Those talks may include a new aid mechanism to help the thousands of
starving Palestinians there. The United Nations blames Israel for not letting in aid trucks.
For its part, Israel denies that it is responsible for the famine, and in fact, blames Hamas.
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DAVID MENCER, ISRAELI GOVERNMENT SPOKESMAN: This idea of famine and starvation has been thrown at us consistently on a weekly basis for the
last two years now. It has never come too far past. So these are our false warnings which come from these aid organizations.
And I also would say that where there is hunger in Gaza, it is hunger orchestrated by Hamas. This is very clearly their tactic, and it is
working.
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GOLODRYGA: Right now, aid is trickling into Gaza. These trucks left them on Jordan earlier on Thursday bound for Gaza.
Our Nic Robertson is at the Kerem Shalom border crossing where aid trucks are entering.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: These are aid trucks. We were just watching them being processed down the road. And I can see on
the cardboard boxes, they have that logo, logo, GHF. That's the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, the Israeli-U.S.-backed foundation that has these
aid facilities set up, aid distribution points set up inside of Gaza.
And these are points that have come under a huge amount of criticism for the number of Palestinian deaths. Palestinian medical officials say over a
thousand people have been killed as they've tried to get aid from these distribution points.
But what we're witnessing here right now is a movement it appears of more of that of those aid, that aid that is -- that is passed out by the Gaza
Humanitarian Foundation.
But what the U.N. is telling us, and I'm not sure -- I'm going to step this way with me a little bit. Actually, there are a couple more trucks coming
through here. Get a better look at them.
When you see them here, they all -- they all -- there you see GHF on the packaging.
All these trucks here have a number on them. This one's numbered 14. I can see another one coming up behind it, number 23.
The aid that's been going in here, according to international officials, according to the U.N., according to European leaders, is absolutely
insufficient. This handful of trucks we have seen a drop in the bucket according to what medical officials inside of Gaza are saying is required.
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One of the heads, the directors of one of the main hospitals inside of Gaza today said what Gaza needs right now is 1,500 trucks like these every day
for a month to alleviate the problem.
What you'll see through here, this big empty car park space, to the formal border crossing into Gaza, that Kerem Shalom border crossing.
Beyond there, there are tens, if not hundreds, of U.N. humanitarian medical food aid waiting to get into Gaza. And that's had been the big point of
contention between the Israeli government and the U.N.
The Israeli government say that they are passing food aid across this border into Gaza. What the U.N. officials are saying is, yes, but we can't
just come and pick it up because the security restrictions, the bureaucratic restrictions on us to actually get to it and take it into Gaza
is part of the problem.
And the Israeli government is saying, look, this is -- this is not correct. We're doing it on our side.
The -- the -- the European leaders who've spoken out about this, the U.N. leaders who've spoken out about it, have been very clear that they don't
think that Israel is doing enough to help that is deliberately constricting the amount of aid getting through.
But Israel says, look, don't blame it on us. We're doing our part. It's Hamas on the other side. Hamas is disrupting these aid distribution points.
It is them and their fault.
But you've just had here a tiny snapshot of what happens at the border crossing. Of course, what we can't show you is all those trucks backed up
on the other side. And that's the point of contention.
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GOLODRYGA: Our thanks to Nic Robertson for that report.
Well, the effort just to get food and water has become perilous for Palestinians in Gaza. Israel admits at some aid sites its forces have fired
warning shots. But the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, quote, soldiers who say that they were ordered to fire on unarmed crowds.
A warning, our report from Jeremy Diamond, contains disturbing video.
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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cradling the body of his 13-year-old son, Mohamed Massoud cries out in agony. Ibrahim has
just been struck down by Israeli gunfire, which is still crackling overhead.
Moments earlier, Mohammed and his son had arrived here in the hopes of getting flour for their family from a World Food Programme convoy. But as
soon as the crowd surged toward the trucks, the World Food Programme says Israeli tanks and snipers opened fire on the crowd.
Ibrahim is one of more than a thousand Palestinians who have been killed by Israeli fire near aid sites and convoys in the last eight weeks, according
to the Palestinian Ministry of Health.
Nearly every day since late May, hungry Palestinians have been killed while trying to get food for themselves and their families from one person killed
on June 5th to 87 on June 17th.
But Israeli gunfire has been the through line in this nightmarish game of survival. In almost every single incident, local health officials and
eyewitnesses say Israeli military troops, often firing from tank mounted machine guns, open fire on the crowds.
Have mercy on us. Enough. Enough.
This man's brother was among dozens killed near a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation site on June 24th.
We have no food or drink and they shelled them with tanks. They sprayed them with bullets.
This month, 461 people have been killed while trying to get aid, 99 were killed on Sunday alone. The deadliest single day of aid related violence.
That day, most were killed while crowding around U.N. convoys, as they did here on Tuesday.
In these eight weeks of carnage, 1,062 people have been killed trying to get aid, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry. That's one out of
every five people killed in Gaza during that time.
In a world where the quest for survival can turn deadly, none has been deadlier than trying to collect aid through the Gaza Humanitarian
Foundation, a private American organization backed by Israel.
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Sixty percent of all aid related killings since late May have taken place near GHF sites, according to a CNN analysis of Palestinian Health Ministry
data.
GHF rejected what it called false and exaggerated statistics and said there is violence around all aid efforts in Gaza.
The bullets crackling over this hunched crowd are among countless fired at Palestinians trying to make it to this GHF site in southern Gaza. Satellite
imagery captured the next day, three military vehicles can be seen parked between a crowd of people and the GHF site.
Tanks and troops have been posted near all four GHF sites that have been operational at different times since late May. It is a militarized aid
distribution system that the U.N. warned would turn deadly.
A CNN investigation into one of the first GHF link shootings in early June pointed to the Israeli military opening fire on crowds of Palestinians. The
Israeli military denied it then.
The military now regularly acknowledges that troops have opened fire on Palestinians heading to aid sites, often describing the shootings as
warning shots.
But Israeli soldiers described a, quote, killing field near the GHF sites to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz last month, saying they were ordered to
fire at unarmed crowds.
Where I was stationed, between one and five people were killed every day, one soldier told the paper. They're treated like a hostile force. No crowd
control measures, no tear gas. Just live fire with everything imaginable. Heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars.
In the wake of that firepower, Muhammad Massoud is left to mourn his son Ibrahim, remembering a boy who was always eager to help, joining his father
on a hunt for flour so that he could help feed his grandmother and neighbors.
But as soon as they started moving toward the trucks, Ibrahim suddenly fell to the ground. I didn't see any blood on his body, but then he started
bleeding from his mouth. I started calling his name, Ibrahim, Ibrahim.
He said, take me to my mom. Take me to my mom. Please, dad. Pull me out. A son's last words before the final breath that shattered his father's world.
Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Jerusalem.
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GOLODRYGA: Convicted murderer Bryan Kohberger will spend the rest of his life in jail without the possibility of parole. He was sentenced on
Wednesday for killing four college students in the U.S. state of Idaho in 2022.
At the emotional hearing, the surviving roommates outlined the trauma and anxiety they have suffered while friends and families of the victims
delivered searing messages to Kohberger, hoping this will help them move on.
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STEVEN GONCALVES, KAYLEE GONCALVES' FATHER: Well, it's almost been three years and today, today's the end of a -- a long, hard-fought battle. But we
have our person. And we have -- we have him where he belongs. Society is protected and we can move on with our lives and attempt to recover.
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GOLODRYGA: Kohberger declined to speak, leaving the world in the dark about his motive. We also learned new horrific details about the crime scene. Our
Jean Casarez has that, but first, we want to warn viewers some of this may be hard to listen to.
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DYLAN MORTENSEN, SURVIVING ROOMMATE: I should have been having the college experience and starting to establish my future. Instead, I was forced to
learn how to survive the unimaginable.
I had to sleep in my mom's bed because I was too terrified to close my eyes.
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The surviving roommate sharing the trauma they say they have endured since that tragic night.
EMILY ALANDT, READING SURVIVING ROOMMATE BETHANY FUNKE'S STATEMENT: I slept in my parents' room for almost a year. I made them double lock every door,
set an alarm, and still check everywhere in the room just in case someone was hiding.
MORTENSEN: Would even shattered me in places I didn't know could break.
CASAREZ (voice-over): And family member after family member expressing their pain.
SCOTT LARAMIE, STEPFATHER OF MADISON MOGEN: We will grow old without our only child, our bright, beautiful friend and daughter.
KRISTI GONCALVES, MOTHER OF KAYLEE GONCALVES: The emotional toll you've inflicted on me is immeasurable. I live with a constant ache, with
birthdays that are now memorials, with holidays that feel hollow, with empty chairs that scream louder than words ever could.
CASAREZ (voice-over): And their anger, victim Kaylee Goncalves' father moving the lectern to direct his comments directly to his daughter's
killer, dramatically shifting the tone in the courtroom.
STEVE GONCALVES, FATHER OF KAYLEE GONCALVES: The world's watching because of the kids, not because of you. Nobody cares about you. You're not worth
the time, the effort to be remembered.
In time, you will be nothing but two initials, forgotten to the wind, no visitors, nothing more than initials on an otherwise unmarked tombstone.
CASAREZ (voice-over): Perhaps the most striking statement coming from Kaylee Goncalves' sister.
A. GONCALVES: You're a textbook case of insecurity disguised as control. Let me be very clear, don't ever try to convince yourself you mattered just
because someone finally said your name out loud.
CASAREZ (voice-over): The convicted killer appeared emotionless while in court and declined to address the court when given the chance.
JUDGE STEVEN HIPPLER, IDAHO 4TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT: The time has now calmed to end Mr. Kohberger's 15 minutes of fame. It's time that he be consigned
to the ignominy and isolation of perpetual incarceration.
CASAREZ (voice-over): The judge not sparing his own harsh words for the killer.
HIPPLER: I'm unable to come up with anything redeeming about Mr. Kohberger because his grotesque acts of evil have buried and hidden anything that
might have been good or intrinsically human about him.
CASAREZ (voice-over): Sentencing him to life in prison without the possibility of parole for all four counts of murder, plus fines and 10
years for the burglary charge.
HIPPLER: I will not attempt to speak about him further other than to simply sentence him, so that he's forever removed from civilized society.
CASAREZ (voice-over): And as he heads to prison, he does so with the parting words of the families he tried to silence.
A. GONCALVES: I see through you. You want the truth? Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you hadn't attacked them in their sleep, in the middle of
the night, like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your (BLEEP).
CASAREZ: Since the sentencing has concluded, documents that have never been made public before are now being allowed to be read. We've learned more
about the crime scene.
Xana Kernodle who was one of the victims was on the floor in her bedroom drenched in blood. There was blood all over other items in the room, but we
now have learned that there were more than 50 stab wounds in Xana Kernodle. And it's believed that many of them were defensive wounds. So she was
fighting back.
Kaylee and Maddie were in a bedroom on the third floor. There was a pink blanket over them that was drenched in blood. Kaylee, according to the
preliminary autopsy report, was stabbed more than 20 times. But her father said today she was actually stabbed more than 30 times and her face was
very disfigured and she was unrecognizable.
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Jean Casarez, CNN, Boise, Idaho.
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GOLODRYGA: OK. Back to one of our top stories and the worst in a humanitarian crisis in Gaza right now. We want to go to Dr. Travis Melin,
who's an anesthesiologist, and he joins me from Gaza's Nasser hospital.
Doctor, thank you so much for finding the time and the internet availability. I know that we had some technical issues earlier connecting
with you, so really appreciate you joining us.
You obviously have had another very busy heartbreaking day there. Just describe for us what you've seen and some of the work you've been doing.
DR. TRAVIS MELIN, ANESTHESIOLOGIST: Well, today's work, I guess, kind of what delayed me was that we had a -- a mass casualty, an untold number at
this point, but enough that we had a completely run out of essentially all of our supplies we had available, and which leads to a bunch of people
getting a moral injury because we're standing there.
We know the care we need to provide. We know the quality of care we want to provide, but we physically did not have any of the tools left that we
needed. And it certainly resulted in a number of otherwise preventable deaths.
GOLODRYGA: Mass casualty. What more can you tell us about this event, the number of patients, sadly, the number of victims?
MELIN: I can't tell you the numbers right now, just because it's, you know, it was -- it was just kind of winding down. But, you know, I would say, you
know, a 20 by 20 room completely full elbow to elbow. People actually laying on top of each other, you know, slipping in each other's blood.
There's absolute mayhem and -- and madness. Very indescribable scene, I think.
GOLODRYGA: And the victims themselves.
MELIN: Most of the injuries.
GOLODRYGA: Ages.
MELIN: Yes. Most of the injuries seems like gunshot wounds to me. No -- no children that I saw on this one, which is unique. Most of this seemed like
adults.
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GOLODRYGA: And you have been --
MELIN: Both men and women.
GOLODRYGA: And you have been sadly seeing and treating a number of children victims.
Can you talk to us about the urgent need for supplies for you and your colleagues, medicine equipment? You touched on this earlier because so much
of it is life-saving.
And as I would imagine without it, you know, these are lives that could have been saved had you had what -- what you needed.
MELIN: Yes. Yes. I mean, I guess to kind of describe it, I mean, in a -- in its simplest form, if someone has a wound that's infected or a bad burn, we
need to change the dressings every day to keep it cleaned the maggots from growing in it, to keep the fleas out of the wound.
But we're so short supplied on that that. We can't actually change these dressings but every three days because we're just so dramatically short.
And as a result, people's infections are getting worse.
And, you know, there's increased deaths and sicknesses as a result of that. And you could apply that same concept to virtually any part of the care
that we're giving here, whether it's operating room, space, whether it's medications, you name it, that's -- that's the scenario that we're under
right now.
GOLODRYGA: And the dwindling access to food, I mean, the basic humanitarian needs, we've talked about water, flour, being so scarce at this point.
MELIN: Yes.
GOLODRYGA: You know, I know it's difficult talking about yourself when you're there to help others, but can you just talk about your reality
today?
MELIN: Yes. I mean, I really don't want to focus too much on my reality. You know, I can come here for a month and -- and we even go home to -- to
safety. But, you know, the other healthcare workers here are, you know, operating for years now under the worst circumstances.
They're getting, at most, a meal of rice per day. They're working long hours. They're malnourished, they're dehydrated. We're getting -- you know,
everyone's getting kind of chronic respiratory infections, gastroenteritis. It's hot.
And so not surprisingly, people are, you know, actually passing out, you know, while working in the ICU, while walking the hallways. It's even a
couple of international staff that's happened too.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. Sadly that thought was --
MELIN: So the -- the blocked aid is -- you know, sorry.
GOLODRYGA: That's been somebody's reporting.
MELIN: Yes, Sorry. I was just saying the blocked aid, it was -- yes, yes. And it's -- it's definitely a reality I've seen.
GOLODRYGA: And it only seems to be getting worse.
Dr. Travis, Melin, thank you for everything that you're doing and your colleagues. Thank you for taking the time to speak with us. We really
appreciate it. Take care of yourself.
MELIN: Of course. Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: And that does it for this hour of "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga. Thanks so much for watching. "Amanpour" is up next.
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