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Trump's U.K. Visit Ends With news Conference Alongside Starmer; ABC Pulls Jimmy Kimmel Show Over Charlie Kirk Remarks; Man Kills Three Police Officers, Wounds Two In Pennsylvania; Black College Student Found Hanging In Mississippi; NVIDIA Set To Purchase $5 Billion In Intel Stock; Unemployment Rates For Black Workers Increased In August; DCD Panel Discussing Major Changes To Vaccine Policy; Aired 12-1p ET
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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. Live from New York, I'm Bianna Golodryga. You're watching the second hour of "One World."
We are waiting at any minute to see Donald Trump depart the U.K. and return to Washington. He's just departed Chequers at the end of a two-day show of
solidarity between the United States and the U.K.
Earlier, he stood alongside British Prime Minister Keir Starmer for a wide- ranging news conference. It started with them hailing a newly announced technology partnership and then went on to cover everything from the wars
in Gaza and Ukraine to free speech, immigration, and numerous other topics.
Let's go to Kevin Liptak in Washington, D.C. Kevin, by all appearances, this seems to have been a successful trip for President Trump, getting
something that no other president, U.S. president that has received, and that is not one but two state banquets and official visits with royal
leaders there in the United Kingdom.
He visited with Queen Elizabeth and now with her son, King Charles, and obviously reaffirming his close relationship with Keir Starmer.
Despite the fact of different views on a number of very important issues starting with that war in Gaza, where the two spoke about both condemning
Hamas, but Keir Starmer saying that this is the time in his view for recognizing a Palestinian state. President Trump instead focusing on the
hostages. Tell us more about what stood out to you.
KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yes. And I think it was interesting. You're right, President Trump was very much in his element on
this visit and very much got what he wanted out of it.
I think a bigger question is whether Keir Starmer got what he wanted out of this visit. Yes, they made these announcements on tech. Yes, they talked
about civilian nuclear power.
But on those two conflicts that Starmer and his European counterparts want President Trump to apply more pressure on, whether it's on Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to try and wrap up this war quickly, or whether it's to try and apply more pressure on Vladimir Putin to end the war in
Ukraine.
I don't think that they're going to walk away from this visit hearing anything from the president that necessarily gives them any optimism. You
know, the president said that he wasn't feeling great about Vladimir Putin. I think we do have that clip to listen to. Listen.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The one that I thought would be easiest would be because of my relationship with President Putin, but
he's let me down. He's really let me down. Who's going to be Russia and Ukraine? But we'll see how that turns out. But that turned out to be -- I
thought it might be among the easiest of the group.
Russia and Ukraine will get done. But it's -- you never know in war. You know, war is a different thing. Things happen that are very opposite of
what you thought.
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LIPTAK: So the president saying that he's disappointed in Vladimir Putin, but also saying that he's not willing to put on new sanctions on Moscow
unless Russia, one, gives up its purchases of Russian oil or applies new sanctions on China for its purchases of Russian energy. And so no sign that
the president is willing to take any more steps to get this war ended.
Similarly in Gaza and Israel, he was asked by multiple British reporters whether he would use whatever leverage he has with Benjamin Netanyahu to
try and pressure him to ease the humanitarian situation, to agree to a deal that would get the hostages out and ends the conflict.
And the president stopped well short of doing that and he harkened back to October 7th, saying that he had seen the images there and essentially
suggesting that what Israel is doing at this moment remains a justifiable response to that horrific event.
And so I think if you're a Keir Starmer and you had entered this hoping that perhaps the royal pomp and circumstance could potentially, you know,
lubricate some of these conversations, help ease some tough discussions with the president and potentially bring him closer to the position of the
Europeans and the Brits, I'm not sure that there was anything in what the president said that would lead him to any optimistic viewpoint on those
particular issues.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Kevin Liptak reporting for us live from Washington, thank you so much.
Meantime, questions are swirling about who might be next after Disney's ABC network abruptly pulled U.S. television host Jimmy Kimmel off the air
indefinitely.
On Monday, the American network, under pressure from the Trump administration and T.V. station owners, pulled Jimmy Kimmel Live! from its
programming schedule. This comes after remarks the comedian made about the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. And this is what two
of Kimmel's celebrity guests had to say about ABC's controversial move.
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WANDA SYKES, COMEDIAN: So, I'm in a full face of makeup because I was supposed to go over and have a chat with my friend Jimmy Kimmel on his
show. But as you have heard by now, the Jimmy Kimmel show has been pulled indefinitely abruptly because of complaints from the Trump administration.
So let's see. He didn't end the Ukraine war or solve Gaza within his first week. But he did end freedom of speech within his first year.
MARC MARON, COMEDIAN: This is government censorship. This is the Trump administration coming after people who speak out against him. This is the
end of it. If you have any concern or belief in real freedom or the Constitution and free speech, this is it.
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GOLODRYGA: U.S. President Donald Trump is celebrating Kimmel's suspension and is urging other networks to do the same to their late-night hosts.
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TRUMP: Jimmy Kimmel was fired because he had bad ratings more than anything else. And he said a horrible thing about a great gentleman known as Charlie
Kirk. And Jimmy Kimmel is not a talented person. He had very bad ratings. And they should have fired him a long time ago. So, you know, you can call
that free speech or not. He was fired for lack of talent.
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GOLODRYGA: Well, the president is calling on NBC to suspend late-night show host Seth Meyers and Jimmy Fallon. On Truth Social he writes, "Kimmel has
zero talent and worse ratings than even Colbert, if that's possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth, two total losers on fake news NBC."
CNN's chief data analyst Harry Enten says that weekly Google searches for free speech have increased by 186 percent this week compared to the average
amount over the past five years.
And I would dare say, Harry, that there probably weren't even that many searches on free speech over the last five years relative to that huge
spike that we've seen over the past few days. Explain why.
HARRY ENTEN, CNN CHIEF DATA ANALYST: Yes. I mean, just take a look. I -- that -- that's an old number. I actually have some fresher stuff for you,
you know, talking about Jimmy Kimmel and free speech. We're talking about Google.
I went all the way back. Now, it was just in the last five years. You can go back to 2004. And we're talking about all-time highs in Google searches
for Jimmy Kimmel and for free speech. And get this, Kimmel searches are up about 10,000. That's 10,000. That's a one followed by four zeros after
percent versus the same time last week. People are extremely, extremely interested in this story.
But being interested in this story is not the same thing as -- as being surprised by this story because get this, this is a poll that's been asked
by the Pew Research Center, the U.S. media, greatly influenced by the government. It was high even before the Kimmel news. All right.
What are we talking about? Well, in 2024, 64 percent of Republicans said the U.S. media news organizations were greatly influenced by the
government. In 2025, look at that. Still about two-thirds of Republicans.
But look at the Democrats. This is where you see the really interesting trend. I bet this number goes even higher among Democrats back in 2024.
Only 34 percent said the U.S. media was greatly influenced by the U.S. government.
But take a look now. Fifty-one percent, the majority. And again, this was even before the Kimmel news broke. The majority of Democrats believe that
the U.S. media, U.S. news organizations were greatly influenced by government. I wouldn't be surprised if this number matches this if we took
a poll right now, it may even exceed it.
But here's the thing that I think is so interesting. OK. So folks, believe that the U.S. media is greatly influenced by the government. Now the
question is, what do they think of the U.S. media? And this to me was a shocking, shocking number.
OK. The media is biased and should be punished. That is the mainstream media is biased and should be punished.
Look at this. Overall, 44 percent of Americans last December agreed with that. That's the plurality compared to 35 percent who disagreed. Look at
Republicans. They are not crying at all over this Jimmy Kimmel news because get this, 71 percent of Republicans believe that the media is biased and
should be punished compared to just 18 percent who disagreed with that sentiment.
So, yes, people are very interested in this story, but they are not surprised by it. And I think that there are a lot of folks who will
actually agree with the idea of taking Jimmy Kimmel off the air.
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And one little last note, Bianna, in case you were wondering, I was looking at the prediction markets just before we went on the air as to whether or
not folks believe that there will in fact be another new episode of Jimmy Kimmel by the end of the year.
And I can tell you at this point, the odds are, whoops, let's get this right. The odds are about 50 percent that there will, in fact, be a new
episode of Jimmy Kimmel by the end of the year, which I think feels about right at this particular point. I don't know which way that this story is
going to go.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. I heard Brian Stelter earlier today on our air say that Jimmy Kimmel's contract is up at the end of this year. But I also read, I
believe in "The Wall Street Journal" that according to a source at ABC News, he could come back on air as soon as -- in the coming days ahead. We
will be following all of this very closely.
Harry Enten, thank you so much.
ENTEN: Thank you. See you.
GOLODRYGA: Appreciate the penmanship too.
ENTEN: I try.
GOLODRYGA: All right. I know you do.
All right. I want to bring in CNN political analyst Jackie Kucinich, Washington bureau chief at "The Boston Globe."
So, if you can just put into a bigger picture for us, Jackie, how unusual this moment is now. The FCC chair going on a podcast criticizing the
commentary made by Jimmy Kimmel and then suggesting that this can be handled the easy way or the hard way, one way or the other. And sure
enough, soon we see the affiliates take him off their air and then that's followed by the suspension from ABC News.
There's also a merger in the works now between two of these affiliates. And we saw a similar pattern with another late-night show host from CBS,
Stephen Colbert, before the sale and approval of Paramount and Skydance and that merger.
So, just put into context for viewers here in the United States. What is likely going on here?
JACKIE KUCINICH, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: What you just laid out is extraordinary. I mean, because before this administration, you really
didn't see things like this happen, but this is an administration that has shown a willingness to put pressure not only in the media realm, but you
know, in -- in different kinds of businesses in order to get the result that they want.
Now, I think one of the interesting parts of this, this really does run counter to a campaign promise by the president who was talking about, you
know, the end of cancel culture and the end of -- and -- and the most free First Amendment ever. I'm paraphrasing here.
But he really did talk about that the -- that the First Amendment was going to, you know, be held in high regard. And right now, it really does feel
like they -- they are just trying to get the -- the result that they want without any regard to the First Amendment.
GOLODRYGA: And again, it does seem that unusual unprecedented behavior then sparks more unusual and unprecedented behavior.
KUCINICH: Yes.
GOLODRYGA: Typically, we don't hear from former presidents. But now, we're hearing from someone who's been quite reluctant to speak out. And that is
President Obama in the last hour posting on X.
And I'm just going to read some of this. After years of complaining about cancel culture, the current administration has taken it to a new and
dangerous level by routinely threatening regulatory action against media companies, unless they muzzle or fire reporters and commentators it doesn't
like.
This is precisely the kind of government coercion that the First Amendment was designed to prevent and media companies need to start standing up
rather than capitulating to it.
So, this is really a warning from President Obama to these media executives not to capitulate to the White House, to the administration because thus
far, that's exactly what they've been doing and also working out deals in payment to the administration in avoidance of being sued.
KUCINICH: And we should also mention that "The New York Times" is currently being sued by the president because he doesn't -- because of stories that
he didn't -- he didn't like. So, it -- it even goes beyond broadcasters.
I think, you know, what's going on with the universities is actually a very interesting subset of this too, right? You had some universities that have
made a deal. You have universities like Harvard that have held out and have not -- haven't caved to some of these -- these demands of the
administration.
Now, who will be that Harvard, that test case of a -- of a media organization that does not acquiesce to what the administration. This was
just a threat. It wasn't even a -- it wasn't even a promise.
But to the administration's wishes, we'll have to wait and see, Bianna. But certainly, you know, he -- he telegraphed where he wanted to go. He talked
about some of the hosts on NBC and the -- the comedians there and whether, you know, or not they're going to be the next one targeted by the
administration. We'll have to see.
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GOLODRYGA: Right. And it's not just universities or media companies, it's law firms as well.
KUCINICH: Yes.
GOLODRYGA: But, Jackie, when it comes to cancel culture, I mean, this is something that Republicans and somewhat even argue rightly so, really spoke
out against over the last few years and even leading up to the campaign, the 2024 election President Trump, even after he -- he was elected in just
a few months ago in April, he said, while speaking in Michigan, I banned all government censorship and restored free speech in America. We have free
speech. We didn't have free speech before.
So, would you expect more pushback from plurality of Republicans that really back to that message?
KUCINICH: It's hard to say because Republicans can't -- there isn't a lot of pushback on a lot from Republicans these days. It really takes quite a
bit for them to speak out, whether this will raise to the level, if this continues potentially.
But it is -- even Republicans aren't without fear of this administration, particularly those that are up for reelection, which the midterms are
drawing near.
So, it -- it really -- you'd hope so. And they would speak up for the First Amendment, but -- but there's no guarantee in these very unprecedented
times.
GOLODRYGA: There no, there isn't, but never a dull moment. That -- that is for sure.
Jackie Kucinich, thank you so much.
KUCINICH: Certainly. Thanks, Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: And still to come for us.
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DAVE MILLER, WITNESS: And I heard the gunfire and I stopped and pulled off the side of the road and just couldn't believe what I was hearing.
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GOLODRYGA: The sounds of gunfire ring out in a rural stretch of Pennsylvania. Police say they were serving a warrant when they were fired
upon.
And later.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How long you were looking for a job?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since September last year.
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GOLODRYGA: The U.S. is facing the highest level of black unemployment since the pandemic. We look at what's happening. And we speak to highly skilled
veterans struggling to land a job.
Plus, how actor Tom Hanks made good on an unusual promise.
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GOLODRYGA: A rural community in the state of Pennsylvania is shaken after a man shot and killed three police officers and wounded two others.
Authorities say the shooter, dressed in camouflage, opened fire after the officers arrived at a farmhouse Wednesday to serve a warrant.
One injured officer was able to return fire and kill the shooter. State law enforcement officials say the man has been identified.
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CNN's Gabe Cohen joins us now from North Codorus Township in Pennsylvania. And, Gabe, when the initial headline started coming out yesterday, it was
really disturbing and quite tragic then to find out the fate of these officers that subsequently died from these gunshots. Just tell us more
about what happened.
GABE COHEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Bianna, it's extremely tragic and it's shaken this rural community.
As you mentioned, as of today, we now know the identity of the alleged shooter. Authorities saying it is 24-year-old Matthew Ruth accused of
ambushing that group of police officers right here along this road here in York County, Pennsylvania, killing three of them and critically wounding
two others.
And we have learned more details about how exactly this unfolded with a law enforcement source telling us that Ruth's ex-girlfriend lives in this
property next to where we're standing. And that in recent days, Ruth had been seen working, stalking the property, seen inside this cornfield right
nearby.
And the family had called police, told them what was going on. They filed for an arrest warrant, a restraining order and police on Tuesday went
searching for Ruth. They couldn't find him, they said.
And on Wednesday, they came to do a follow-up here at the property and that is when Ruth emerged in camouflage, according to law enforcement, from the
cornfield and ambushed them. Open fire on those officers, you mentioned one, was able to return fire and neutralize him, but not before he killed
three local officers.
I spoke with a neighbor who witnessed so much of the scene as he was driving by. Here's what he told me.
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MILLER: And I heard the gunfire and I stopped and pulled off the side of the road and just couldn't believe what I was hearing. And then I -- I saw
a body on the road. I -- I pretty much saw it hit -- hit the ground. It -- it seemed like a war zone. It sounded like a war zone.
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COHEN: And, Bianna, in a powerful moment late last night, we watched a procession, residents here in York County lining the streets of the
community as the officer -- the bodies of those three fallen officers were returned home.
Again, we do not know the identity at this point of those three fallen officers. We're hoping to get more information at a press conference in
just a couple hours.
GOLODRYGA: You'll be bringing that to us. Gabe Cohen, thank you so much.
From one tragedy to another, I want to turn now to a horrific incident here in the U.S. A black man was found dead in Mississippi right down the road
from where Emmett Till was lynched in the 1950s.
So far, police say there are no signs of foul play, but people are demanding answers.
CNN's Dianne Gallagher has the story.
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DIANNE GALLAGHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Mississippi, a community's not-so-distant, painful past looms over an active
investigation. After the body of 21-year-old college student Demartravion "Trey" Reed was found hanging from a tree by a Delta State University staff
member near the campus pickleball courts early Monday, according to police.
MICHAEL PEELER, DELTA STATE POLICE CHIEF: I respect for those grieving. We ask for continued patience and compassion as this investigation proceeds.
GALLAGHER (voice-over): So far, investigators have said there are no signs of foul play. In a preliminary report, the county coroner stated, Reed,
quote, "Did not suffer any lacerations, contusions, compound fractures, broken bones, or injuries consistent with an assault."
The results of a state autopsy should be available later this week.
But family members say they still have major questions.
JAMIE REED, UNCLE: We just want answers. We want answers. Something just not right. Just not right.
GALLAGHER (voice-over): And they can't believe Reed, a freshman who'd only been at Delta State a month, would harm himself.
VANESSA JONES, LAWYER: He was here with his family. And he was joyful and - - and loving his ever. And when he went back to Delta State University, he was this fun, loving person. And our question is, what happened?
GALLAGHER (voice-over): The family has retained civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who says they will commission an independent autopsy, adding, quote,
"Trey's family deserves answers they can trust. We cannot accept rushed conclusions when the stakes are this high."
The NAACP posting its skepticism of initial reports, writing, quote, "Our people have not historically hung ourselves from trees."
Mississippi Congressman Bennie Thompson is calling for the FBI to get involved.
Delta State University is in Cleveland, Mississippi, just 30 miles from where Emmett Till's body was discovered 70 years ago. The school's
president noted the broader pain felt in the area.
DAN ENNIS, PRESIDENT, DELTA STATE UNIVERSITY: The manner how Trey was discovered has stirred many emotions in this community and many emotions
around the state and the nation.
GALLAGHER (voice-over): Sparking more concern about 100 miles away, the death of a second Mississippi man, "The Vicksburg Post" reports the body of
35 year old Cory Zukatis, a white man who was homeless was found hanging from a tree Monday. Police do not believe his is related to the Reed case.
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GALLAGHER: Now in the press conference Wednesday, the police chief said they're in possession of video evidence, but he declined to elaborate on
exactly what that video may show citing the ongoing investigation.
Delta State University says that it has received threats since Monday, but maintained that campus is safe and no one is in any danger.
Trey Reed's family described him as full of joy and said that he was excited about school. His uncle said that he'd hoped to one day be a truck
driver.
Dianne Gallagher, CNN.
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GOLODRYGA: Welcome back to "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga.
The U.S. and Britain joining hands to tout the so-called Tech Prosperity Deal. Keeping the focus on business ties today as President Trump wraps his
visit to the United Kingdom.
Top American firms led by Microsoft have pledged about $42 billion in U.K. investment. Both nations' leaders agree that the tech pact will boost
artificial intelligence, quantum computing and civil nuclear energy.
Here's the British prime minister earlier.
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KEIR STARMER, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: We have the only trillion-dollar tech sector in the West. Outside of the U.S., again, I caveat. We have the best
investment. The best universities. The most Nobel Prizes. And we have Dennis here outside the U.S. That's what we bring to the table. And we are
proud of it.
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GOLODRYGA: Meantime, U.S. chip Giant NVIDIA says that it will buy $5 billion worth of Intel's common stock, making it another major shareholder
in the troubled company. It comes just weeks after the U.S. government took a roughly 10 percent stake in Intel, an unusual move there by Intel and the
U.S. government.
CNN's Anna Cooban joins us live from London. So, Anna, how significant is this deal with Intel from NVIDIA?
ANNA COOBAN, CNN BUSINESS AND ECONOMICS REPORTER: Well, I mean, the $5 billion agreed there to purchase their stock. It's a pretty massive deal.
We've seen this reflected in Intel's shares today up around 30 percent, which is pretty -- pretty good going.
But it's significant also because it might be a bit surprising. These are two competitors. NVIDIA, Intel, they're both chip makers. NVIDIA, of
course, really has pit -- pit -- pits Intel to the post there. It's the world's largest company of $4 trillion market cap. And Intel's business has
been struggling, particularly its manufacturing business, over the past few years.
But really, when you kind of lift under the hood, actually, it's not surprising. When we see this in the context of the global A.I. arms race.
We've seen American technology companies vying for dominance, particularly against Chinese A.I. companies. And this is reflected in the fact that just
last month, the U.S. government said it would take this 10 percent stake in Intel's business, too.
President Trump has said he's going to put -- threatens to put 100 percent tariffs on semiconductors made outside of the United States. And I was with
NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang yesterday, and he was talking about this A.I. arms race.
I asked him, how will you know when or if America wins this? And he said that basically, until the vast majority of the world's A.I. systems are
powered with American semiconductor chips, that's when he will know.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Anna Cooban in London. Thank you so much.
Well, heralded as Black Business Month, August should have been a time to celebrate the Black Labor Force. But last month, the unemployment rate for
black workers reached its highest level in almost four years.
CNN's Ryan Young spoke to some of those searching for a job.
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BRITTANI TONDEREAU, JOB SEEKER: It's a hard time right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's very frustrating.
RYAN YOUNG, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Black unemployment hit its highest level since the COVID pandemic last month.
YOUNG: How long have you been looking for a job?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since September last year.
YOUNG (voice-over): And inside an Atlanta veterans job fair.
DONALD HUDSON, JOB SEEKER: I'm Donald. Nice to meet you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Donald.
YOUNG (voice-over): We found hundreds of highly skilled veterans struggling to land a new gig in this current economy, including Donald Hudson. We
followed him around as he searched for a new job.
HUDSON: I'm looking for something either in the tech field or back in engineering again. Previously, I worked for Boeing and the engineering
section for NASA.
YOUNG (voice-over): The latest employment snapshot from the Bureau of Labor Statistics paints a bleak picture. Only 22,000 jobs were added in August
and black unemployment reached 7.5 percent, its highest level since October of 2021. The slowdown is due in part to President Donald Trump's economic
policies, which include cuts to the federal workforce, of which black workers make up 18.7 percent.
ANTHONY WAGNER, RECRUITMILITARY: You know, if you want to talk political landscape, there's a lot of things that go and combine. And this year has
just been a perfect storm, if you will.
YOUNG (voice-over): A drop in black Americans in the workforce can have a crippling effect on the U.S. economy. That's because black Americans are
expected to have buying power of $2 trillion by 2026, according to a 2024 Nielsen report.
Black Americans are slower to recover from job losses, which means it can be a long road to recovery.
HUDSON: And there's still some biases, I would say. Unless you have a special set of skills right now, it's kind of hard.
BRENDA OUTLAW, JOB SEEKER: Even when you have the degrees, you got the experience, you got the clearance, it's still not enough.
YOUNG: Yes. The real reality here is the more people we talk to, the more people say they're dealing with A.I. in a way that they never anticipated.
It's become a difficult hurdle that they can't seem to get past.
TONDEREAU: I have found the A.I. blocking, you know, they're looking for a specific, you know, descriptive words that, you know, you might not be
thinking about.
WAGNER: So this year, I think everybody is aware that the employment landscape has definitely been rocked.
YOUNG (voice-over): Despite that, many still have hope for a new chance.
HUDSON: I got a company that wants me to go home and fill out the application and submit it online, and then they said they're going to
contact me. So --
YOUNG: Ryan Young, CNN, Atlanta.
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GOLODRYGA: And still to come for us, major changes could soon be coming to the U.S. vaccine policy. We'll have the details of the new advisory
committee's decisions after the break.
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GOLODRYGA: Well, major changes could be soon coming, affecting those who can get vaccines in the U.S. and win. CDC vaccine advisors are meeting
today and will vote on changes to the childhood vaccination schedule for vaccines like hepatitis B and measles.
The panel was handpicked by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and to stack with people who have previously advocated against using vaccines.
The head of the committee is expected to invite several of the CDC's former directors who have been critical of the administration's stance against
vaccines to a debate.
Meg Tirrell joins me now from the CDC in Atlanta. What more are we learning about this debate idea from the head of this panel?
MEG TIRRELL, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Bianna, he did make that charge this morning, kicking off this meeting amid trying to make the case
both for himself and then we heard from each of these 12 committee members arguing about their credentials and pushing back against this idea that
they have anti-vaccine views.
But certainly, this is a panel that has been completely replaced. The 17 previous members who were on the panel were taken off in June by Secretary
Kennedy. Seven new members were added then and then an additional five just this week. And certainly, there are departures from what we typically see
with these kinds of meetings.
On the docket for today and tomorrow are just three vaccines. The measles, mumps, rubella and varicella are chickenpox combination vaccine, the
hepatitis B vaccine in particularly the dose given to newborns. And then tomorrow, all day, is going to be a discussion of COVID-19 vaccines.
This is an incredibly influential panel because it can influence what the CDC ends up recommending. It influences insurance coverage. It can
influence state policy. And so what comes out of these votes, we're expecting at the end of today, will really impact children across the
country.
This morning has all been taken up with a focus on that measles, mumps, rubella, and chickenpox vaccine. Right now, the recommendation, of course,
is for two doses of MMR and chickenpox, one at age about one and one around age four.
The current recommendation, because there is a small but slightly elevated risk of febrile seizures for that about one year dose, if you give the
combination vaccine, there's a preference to give them separately. And then at age four, you can give the combination vaccine so you get fewer shots.
So, there has been a debate this morning about whether they should strengthen that recommendation for the first dose to say you shouldn't get
the combination vaccine.
And there's been a lot of debate about whether that takes away parent choice for a risk that experts argue is small and well understood.
So, we are going to see the vote for that at the end of the day, Bianna, but you're also hearing a lot from outside experts who are liaisons to this
committee who represent medical groups who are saying, we are not going by the normal procedures here. We haven't seen the normal laying out of the
evidence.
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All of the things, the implications on equity, the implications on access, how this will actually get implemented, that you typically see for these
kinds of procedures.
And so there definitely is a lot of sort of upset among those folks who are expressing that to the committee who are now continuing. And we're going to
see in the afternoon a discussion of hepatitis B and then a vote on both. We'll, of course, bring you all that news.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Meg Tirrell, thank you so much.
We're going to go back to England right now as the President and the First Lady, are departing, getting off of Marine One, soon to board Air Force One
to travel back to the United States there. They are at London Stansted Airport.
The president concluding a two-day trip to the United Kingdom, meeting with the Royal Family, obviously for an unprecedented second state dinner. And
then today with Keir Starmer at Chequers.
Let's bring Kevin Liptak back in this trip. Full of pomp and circumstance, everything that the president Trump likes and was treated to a royal
welcoming. As we talked earlier though in the hour, Kevin, not quite sure yet on how successful this trip was on Keir Starmer's part.
Though the two do have a very cordial relationship. Keir Starmer really trying to make the most of it.
LIPTAK: Yes. And you saw the cordiality in the press conference, even in the area where the president said explicitly that he disagreed with him,
which was the recognition of a Palestinian state, which Starmer's expected to do in the coming days. The president sort of said that he disagreed and
then moved swiftly on. And so certainly that relationship itself remains on very good ground.
I think the question is whether the president has moved any closer to Starmer's positions on some of these sticky issues, whether it's the war in
Ukraine where Starmer and Europeans are trying to convince President Trump to apply additional sanctions on Moscow or on the war in Gaza, where the
president today offered no indication that he's planning to pressure Benjamin Netanyahu to end the humanitarian crisis in Gaza or swiftly ends
the conflicts there.
And so while the president got what he wanted out of this trip, which was the, you know, the state banquet, the military parade, the carriage
procession, the horse riders on horseback, everything that he kind of envisioned of a royal welcome, the second one that he's received.
It's not clear that that was enough to move him to the position of Starmer and the -- and the Brits as part of this visit. It was interesting when
King Charles was delivering that toast last evening in St. George's Hall at Windsor Castle, he did make this illusion to Ukraine. And we know King
Charles is someone who pays very close attention to this conflict.
He hosted Vladimir Zelensky at Sandringham a couple days after President Trump raided him in the Oval Office. But even that sort of quiet nudging on
the part of the sovereign didn't seem enough to convince President Trump to apply any more pressure on Russia.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. President Trump saying today that Putin has let him down. He thought this would be a war that would be one of the easiest to resolve.
I think if you had asked anyone of us, we would have known that -- that -- that was far from the case.
But nonetheless, no additional sanctions have been announced by President Trump yet, instead saying that Europe needs to do more on that front.
Kevin Liptak, thank you so much.
All right. Let's go back to the CDC vaccine committee meeting. Joining me now for The Exchange is Michael Osterholm, Director for the Center for
Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. Michael, welcome to the program.
Yesterday you were on our air --
MICHAEL OSTERHOLM, DIRECTOR FOR THE CENTER FOR INFECTIOUS DISEASE RESEARCH AND POLICY, UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA: Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: -- and something that you said really stood out to me. You said that we're on the verge of losing 50 to 70 years of public health progress.
That was before Susan Monarez' testimony. That was a fired CDC director who'd just been in office for 29 days. And remember, RFK Jr. said she had
unimpeachable credentials until he -- he fired her.
Talk about the political pressure that she said was put on her and what that adds to your concern about how far back public health may be going.
OSTERHOLM: Well, first of all, we have to separate out the discussion today with vaccines, which is very important from all the other aspects of public
health that are very quickly deteriorating, if not being destroyed.
But when you think about, Bianna, in the last estimate of vaccine impact on disease from 1994 to 2023, basically nine years, we in this country
prevented 32 million hospitalizations and 1.2 million deaths with our vaccines. They were based on good science.
Now what's happening is this committee really has no credibility whatsoever as they are -- it's an ideology-based approach.
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And as much as they may preach the issue of, we want a, you know, transparent information, we want to be able to have these public debates
and discussions that it's not ever really about the real science, it's about ideology.
Now you asked about the issue though of public health in general. Right now, we are watching CDC literally being destroyed.
Many of the major experts there have left or have been ripped as they would say. We're seeing for example, things like our foodborne disease
surveillance programs basically done in. It's a cutting across, all aspects of public health right now that are literally being destroyed.
GOLODRYGA: I'm reading a report from our Manu Raju and two of our other colleagues in an interview that they just conducted with Senator Cassidy.
Obviously, he's a medical doctor in addition to being a Senator.
And he said this, he said that he hopes sanity comes out of this vaccine advisory panel. And he said he woke up at 4:00 A.M. thinking about the
hearing yesterday with former director Monarez.
And he said among the possible policy decisions, changes to the childhood vaccine schedule is what really worries him. And he said sanity, something
which is based upon science and not upon prejudice, something which is defensible.
We currently have our current vaccine schedule based upon a lot of people who know a heck of a lot looking at things not to make mandates but to make
recommendations.
So, he's basically saying, keep things as they are. This -- this panel will likely do the opposite of that. What does that mean for the general public?
OSTERHOLM: It means that your children and your grandchildren are going to be a lot less safe in the days ahead. It means that, in fact, we know law
will make decisions based on science and learning about how vaccines can be more effective, how they can be safer.
What we're going to be doing is dealing with ideology. And that is dangerous because, in fact, ideology has never gained us any increase in
public health protection.
And so I fully support what Senator Cassidy has said. If you look at the full body of science in this country, look at the medical societies, look
at basic scientists, look at public health officials, every one of them are making the same statements that I'm making to you right now. This is
dangerous.
And so until this is addressed by basically replacing this committee with individuals who truly are experts, we're going to be at risk for much, much
more of a way of -- of vaccine-preventable diseases becoming very serious challenges again.
GOLODRYGA: And one of the vaccines being discussed this week, hepatitis B, Senator Cassidy reminded us, yesterday, hepatitis B vaccination brought
childhood liver disease cases down from 20,000 a year to just 20.
And he, along with many others, I would imagine yourself included are concerned --
OSTERHOLM: Yes.
GOLODRYGA: -- about what happens if these recommendations are no longer intact.
Thank you so much. Really appreciate your time.
OSTERHOLM: Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: Well, promises made, promises delivered. Coming up, how A-list actor Tom Hanks helped brighten up this small businessman's day.
Plus, running to keep his team going. There's a Chicago Bears football fan who hits the pavement when his team loses. We'll explain, ahead.
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GOLODRYGA: A newly resurfaced Pablo Picasso painting will soon be sold at an auction house in Paris and could go for at least eight million euros. It
was acquired by a French family in 1944 and kept in their private collection for decades, unseen by members of the public.
Titled "Bust of a Woman with a Flowered Hat" or Dora Maar. It's believed to be a portrait of Picasso's muse and partner French photographer, Dora Maar.
It appears to depict her holding back tears that her lover is straying away. Picasso later left her for painter Francoise Gilot. The auction will
be held on October 24th.
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TOM HANKS, AMERICAN ACTOR: My mom always said, life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.
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GOLODRYGA: Actor Tom Hanks there as he famously starred in the film" Forrest Gump." He's known around the world as an A-list actor for his long
list of starring roles.
But did you know that he also has an interest in vintage typewriters? I didn't know that. Well, two years ago, he visited this shop in Oregon and
promised to send the owner a signed typewriter from his private collection. And now Hanks has finally delivered.
Reporter Devon Haskins has more on this unique gift.
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DEVON HASKINS, KGW REPORTER (voice-over): In this quiet shop in Southeast Portland, the room filled with these metal machines of yesteryear.
ANTONY VALOPPI, TYPE SPACE OWNER: For me, it's the connection to the word.
HASKINS (voice-over): Antony Valoppi opened Type Space four years ago and saw success right away.
VALOPPI: Two weeks after I opened, "Willamette Week" put us in their top 100 annual Best Businesses in Portland issue.
HASKINS (voice-over): On the shelf for about 25 or so typewriters to buy with another 150 being refurbished or fixed. Every piece here has written a
story.
VALOPPI: It makes my writing more intentional because I don't have cut and paste, delete. I really have to think about what I'm putting down.
HASKINS (voice-over): Valoppi's shop attracts all sorts of customers, from collectors, first timers, young old, and even those from Hollywood.
In 2023, actor Tom Hanks was in Portland for a book tour.
BALOPPI: Just the nicest guy.
HASKINS (voice-over): And stopped by.
VALOPPI: So we just talked about typewriters, not much about his movies or things like that.
HASKINS (voice-over): Hanks, a typewriter aficionado stayed about an hour, bought one of the typewriters for his own use and left.
VALOPPI: On the way out, yes, he said, hey, hey, I'm going to send you an autographed typewriter out of my collection.
HASKINS (voice-over): That was 2023.
VALOPPI: I kind of forgot about it altogether.
HASKINS (voice-over): Two years later, after sending Tom's manager a message on another matter, he says they realized they forgot as well.
VALOPPI: So we're going to get it out immediately.
HASKINS (voice-over): A couple days later, a package.
VALOPPI: I just got it in. Yes.
HASKINS (voice-over): A 1955 Rheinmetall typewriter from Germany, one from Hanks' personal collection, signed by him as promised.
VALOPPI: So, it's going to stay at the front table here.
HASKINS (voice-over): It's a piece of memorabilia and a piece of analog history.
VALOPPI: People can come down and type on it. That's great. It's not hands off.
HASKINS (voice-over): Proudly displayed, sitting front and center at Type Space.
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GOLODRYGA: I love that story.
GOLODRYGA: While most NFL fans either celebrate after a win or drown their sorrows with a loss, there is a diehard Bears fan who instead laces up his
sneakers when his team loses.
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CHASE BANDOLIK, RUNNER AND CHICAGO BEARS FAN: The Chicago Bears could destroy my legs. Let me explain. For this entire Bear season, I'm going to
put my legs on the line. For every game, if the Bears lose, I'll run them out for every single point they lose by right after the game.
I'm going to run them out for every point the Bears lose by. Yes, you heard that right. For every point the Bears lose by, I'll run them out.
I have no worries. (INAUDIBLE) by 31. Let's run these 31 miles.
File one, file two, file three, file four, file 27, file 28, file 29, file 30. And that's mile 31.
It is 10:05 P.M. right now and I might just sleep until next week's game. Make sure following (INAUDIBLE) for the entire Bears season. And I will see
you next week when the Bears play the Cowboys at home.
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GOLODRYGA: Dedication, masochism. I don't know how to describe this. That's been the worst so far. And you saw him not even phased by it really.
The Bears only lost to the Vikings on Monday night football by three points a week earlier.
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BANDOLIK: You say you're going to do something commits to it. Every week, I'll put out a video saying what the game is, what the scenario is. And if
they lose, what's going to happen?
And no matter what the score is, I'm committed to doing it. If I had to walk, I would walk, but I feel pretty confident that I can -- I can run
every week and do the runs, but you'll see your life start to change a lot when you really stick to your word and you complete things that you say
you're going to do and make sure you make it happen.
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GOLODRYGA: Chicago marathon is just a few weeks away. Wonder if Chase is running.
All right. A lost is good for his health, I guess. Seems like it. Whatever floats his boat.
All right. That does it for this hour of "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga. Thanks so much for watching. "Amanpour" is up next.
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