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CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN HOST, ONE WORLD: A deadly terror attack at a synagogue in Manchester, England, on the holiest day of the year in the

Jewish faith. "One World" starts right now. Police say a suspect drove into a crowd then started stabbing people. We'll take you live to Manchester for

the latest.

Plus, it's day two of the U.S. government shutdown, and those who are looking to visit national parks, forests and icons may need to adjust their

travel plans. And an air aid organization ship flotilla bound for Gaza has been intercepted by Israeli forces. Live from London, I'm Christina

Macfarlane.

This is "One World". Security is being stepped up at synagogues across the UK after the holiest day in the Jewish calendar was shattered by what

authorities are now calling a terror incident outside a synagogue. According to police near Manchester, a man drove his car into a crowd

gathered at the synagogue.

One person was stabbed, two people lost their lives, and three others are in serious condition. This image said to be of the alleged attacker,

surfaced earlier on social media. Manchester police say their officers shot and killed the man who they say had suspicious items on his person.

Police are treating this incident as a terror incident. And in response to this, British Prime Minister, Keir Starmer has cut short a trip to

Copenhagen.

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KEIR STARMER, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: The attack in Manchester this morning is absolutely shocking, and all of our thoughts with those affected. I'm on

my way back to London, when I arrive, I will chair an emergency Cobra meeting. I'm already able to say that additional police assets are being

deployed to synagogues across the country, and we will do everything to keep our Jewish community safe.

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MACFARLANE: Police in Manchester, England are holding a news conference following the synagogue attack the left two people dead and others injured.

The attacker also dead. Let's just listen in now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- and he was fatally shot by officers within seven minutes of the original call. Four further people remain in hospital having

suffered a variety of serious injuries, and their treatment is ongoing, and our thoughts are with them and their families. Inquiries are moving at pace

and very visible and proactive policing activity is ongoing across Greater Manchester and beyond.

Updates will be provided as soon as is practicable, our priority is to keep the public safe. At this time, we know that a car was driven directly at

members of the public outside the Heaton Park Hebrew congregation synagogue on Middleton Road Crumpsall in Manchester.

The driver of the car was seen then to attack people with a knife. He was wearing about his body, a vest which had the appearance of an explosive

device. There were a large number of worshippers attending the synagogue at the time of this attack, but thanks to the immediate bravery of security

staff and the worshippers inside, as well as the fast response of the police.

The attacker was prevented from gaining access. All those insides were safely contained until police were able to confirm that it was safe to

leave the premises. Yom Kippur is a day where we see our Jewish community attending their places of worship, places where they and their families

should feel entirely safe from harm.

I want to share my gratitude to all of those members of the public who called the police as soon as they saw what was happening. This allowed the

quick response from our officers, who were able to act swiftly and bravely to bring this horrendous attack to an end.

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I also want to thank our partners from the other emergency services, local authorities and the health service, who have provided their ongoing support

to us throughout the day and will continue so to do over the coming days. I know that today's horrific events will have a significant impact on all of

our communities, not only in Greater Manchester, but across our country.

There will be lots of questions that people would like answers to and quickly, but please understand that some of this will take time. What I can

say is that the highly visible response to these dreadful incidents will be sustained as we work to understand the full circumstances of what has

happened.

I know that you will all join me in keeping those directly affected by what has happened in our thoughts and prayers. There are grieving families and

communities at the heart of this in Greater Manchester and beyond. I would therefore ask that people --

MACFARLANE: That was the Greater Manchester Police giving a press conference after the devastating attack on the synagogue. I want to bring

in our Clare Sebastian, who was listening to the Chief Constable, Sir Stephen Watson there that press conference going on for quite a while.

Clare, what more did we learn?

CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, so we got an update, Christina, on the number of injured. The chief constable saying that four people are

in hospital. Previously, we've been told that three were in a serious condition. Obviously, we now know, of course, that two members of the

Jewish community died in this attack.

He added a little bit more color to the understanding of how events unfolded. He said there was a car that was driven into people standing

outside the synagogue, then the driver got out and started attacking people with a knife, and he said, crucially, that he was very wearing a vest that

had the appearance of an explosive device.

We were told earlier by Greater Manchester Police that a bomb disposal unit was on the scene, and they couldn't confirm initially that the suspect had

died because of concerns about suspicious objects on his person, so that adds a little bit more color there. And what he was about to say is, your

feed cut out was an appeal to people to refrain from posting disturbing online content, to take it directly to police.

I think what you get the sense now is that the police are really trying to control the flow of information here. And in that vein, this was the second

of two briefings that we've had in the last hour. The first, and this should tell you something about how seriously they're treating.

This came from the head of counterterrorism policing in London, so the national authority on counterterrorism policing. And have a listen to some

of the updates that he brought.

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LAURENCE TAYLOR, HEAD OF COUNTER-TERRORISM POLICING & ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER: The attacker has been shot dead by the police. We believe we

know their identity, but for safety reasons at the scene, we're unable to confirm at this stage, three other members of the public are in serious

condition.

We have also made two further arrests, and based on what we know, counter- terrorism policing has declared this as a terrorist incident.

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SEBASTIAN: So, they say that they know the identity of the suspect, but cannot release it yet again, I think, out of caution around the safety

issues of approaching the body of this suspect. So that is where we are right now. They're trying to control the flow of information. But overall,

this has already had major ripple effects.

The prime minister has cut short his trip to Denmark. Is chairing a Cobra meeting, an emergency meeting of Cabinet ministers and other agencies this

afternoon, policing is being stepped up. Security is being stepped up at synagogues and Jewish sites around the country.

They were already on high alert as we've seen an uptick in antisemitic incidents. But I think this on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish

calendar, really does see their worst fears being realized, Christina.

MACFARLANE: Yeah. And Clare, we saw the prime minister arriving back in Downing Street a short while ago to chair that Cobra meeting, as you say,

underlining the serious now with which the UK government are taking that. What is the significance of a Cobra meeting being called, and what could we

expect to come from that?

SEBASTIAN: So, a Cobra meeting is essentially where you bring together the various agencies involved. It usually involves cabinet ministers. In this

case, it may involve regional leaders from Manchester as well security officials, anyone who can contribute to coordinating the response to this.

I think, you know, we've already had a sense, certainly from Keir Starmer and others talking about this, that this will lead to an uptick in security

around Jewish sites, and perhaps more in terms of how they're going to coordinate that.

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And the investigation, which appears to now be being led by counter- terrorism policing at Scotland Yard, but I think critically, they are trying to get out in front of this, trying to prevent the flow of

information from getting out of control. And I think we certainly see that from how quickly the prime minister responded to this.

And how quickly we've seen the police come out and talk specifically about what they know at this point and urging the public to go directly to the

police with any information, Christina.

MACFARLANE: All right for now, Clare, we appreciate it. Thank you. And we will have more on this developing story later in the show, with a security

specialist. Digging in and doubling down now with no resolution in sight as the fate of hundreds of thousands of federal workers hangs in the balance.

We are now two days into a U.S. government shutdown that is sure to stretch into Friday and perhaps a lot longer, with senators out today in

observation of the Yom Kippur holiday. But while negotiations aren't taking place, the political blame game is on full display in a social media post

earlier.

Donald Trump said he's meeting with his budget chief to determine cuts to what he's calling Democrat agencies and whether those cuts will be

permanent. On Wednesday, the White House warned that mass firings of federal workers are imminent. And we already know that the Budget Director,

Russell Vought, has canceled tens of billions of dollars in infrastructure and energy projects in states that did not vote for the president.

At the heart of the funding fight is a demand by Democrats to include extended health care subsidies in a continuing resolution backed by

Republicans Well CNN's Kevin Liptak joining us now live from the White House. So, Kevin, are we learning any more detail on whether Donald Trump

is going to be following through on those threats to five federal workers?

KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: It certainly sounds as if he is. And we heard from the Press Secretary, Karoline Leavitt, just within

the last hour, who said that this could potentially include thousands of federal workers. The president saying that he's going to discuss this very

topic with Russell Vought, his budget director later today.

He calls them Democrat agencies, but just to be clear, the federal bureaucracy is nonpartisan, and it's not Democratic, it's not Republican,

and I think it's evident that the president is trying to use this shutdown to really create leverage to advance his political agenda, but also to

exact as much pain on Democrats as he possibly can.

You know, when you talk about some of this funding that's already been canceled yesterday, tens of billions of dollars included a number of green

energy initiatives in mostly blue states. It also included two major infrastructure projects in New York City, the Second Avenue subway and the

Hudson Valley Tunnel.

These -- New York is a state that's represented by two Democrats who are at the forefront of this battle, the Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and

the House Minority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries. And so, you see how the president here is really trying to sort of use the shutdown as a punitive

measure on Democrats going forward, and even he acknowledges that it's unprecedented in that Truth Social post.

He said, I can't believe the radical left Democrats gave me this unprecedented opportunity. You know, ordinarily, shutdowns are not an

opportunity to make permanent cuts to the federal workforce, but the president clearly going forward with what he hopes will be an effort to

kind of advance what he was doing at the very beginning of his term, which is to cut down the civil service by thousands of thousands of people.

We did hear yesterday from the president and from the press secretary, kind of describing what their initiative is in all of this. Listen to what they

said.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Well, there could be firings, and that's their fault, and it could also be other things. I

mean, we could cut projects that they wanted, favorite projects, and they'd be permanently cut.

KAROLINE LEAVITT, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: We believe that layoffs are imminent. They are unfortunately a consequence of this government shutdown.

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LIPTAK: Now, already there are many hundreds of thousands of federal workers who are furloughed, meaning they're not going to work and they're

not getting paid. There's a whole other subset of federal workers, like TSA agents, you know, baggage screeners at airports, but also military

personnel who are showing up to work but are also not getting paid.

The politics of this are also turning very ugly. The president has repeatedly shared this AI video of Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic Leader

in the House, wearing a sombrero and a mustache. Jeffries has said that that's racist and bigoted, but yesterday, we heard from the Vice President

JD Vance, who said that the president was joking, and that quote, we're having a good time.

MACFARLANE: All right, plenty more to come from this. Kevin, for now, though, thank you. Let's take a deeper dive into how this impacts federal

employees. Joining us now is Mark Cochran, President of Local chapter 3145 of the American Federation of Government Employees.

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Thank you so much for joining us. Mark, I know that you represent more than 2000 National Park Service employees across seven states. You've been

through yourself, I think, four or five shutdowns before, but this is the first time the White House have adopted such a ruthless position, really,

in threatening mass firings of federal workers. So how is all of this affecting you and your workforce?

MARK COCHRAN, PRESIDENT OF AMERICAN FEDERATION OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES LOCAL 3145: Well, it's absolutely ridiculous, because the National Park

Service is a totally nonpartisan federal agency. Our mission is to preserve, protect and conserve our country's natural, historical and

environmental resources for the next generation, and also for all the foreign visitors that come over.

We have tourists from all over the world that visit our national historical sites, just to appreciate, you know, the impact that you know those sites

had on our country's history. And the fact that they're taking this opportunity to threaten or even fire people in an agency that's been

woefully understaffed and underfunded for decades, it's just ridiculous.

MACFARLANE: I know that you are, of course, speaking out to us today, but you've said that a lot of your federal workers are fearful of speaking out.

I mean, how much fear is there right now among federal workers about what's going to come next?

COCHRAN: Well, it's a lot. It's very challenging working environment, even more so than usual, because all of you know, all of my colleagues in the

National Park Service, we're doing three or four jobs just to do the basic maintenance necessary to keep these historical sites up to the levels that

they need to be.

I mean, it's the only reason I'm able to speak somewhat freely is because, you know, I'm represented. I'm a union representative, so I have a few

extra protections, other than some of my other employees who aren't union members. But even I'm not, you know, 100 percent safe.

I mean, who knows, I might get a call or an email saying that, you know, I always let go for things that I've said, right? But somebody has to speak

out for the people that I work with, because we're hard working, dedicated Americans just trying to, you know, make a living, you know, doing jobs

that we absolutely love doing.

MACFARLANE: Yeah, and as a union leader, how are you supporting your people at this time? What are you saying to them?

COCHRAN: Well, I'm giving them what information I have as soon as I get it, which, amazingly enough, tends to be before even, like our park

superintendents, hear anything, because the communication from, you know, the Washington level down to our park superintendents, has been pretty

challenging this past year.

So quite often, union leaders hear things before even the superintendents who are charged with implementing those programs here. So, it's --

MACFARLANE: Yeah.

COCHRAN: It's been a long year for sure.

MACFARLANE: Yeah, and it's a lot for you as well. I know you have a daughter who's just started college, so you know threats over your

employment status must be very hard at this time, and hard also, Mark, because I know you and your colleagues just want to continue with your

work.

You mean, you don't want to shut down the parks, but there are serious security concerns about keeping them open at this time, I think we've

there's three national parks so far who've been reduced to limited access. Tell us about those security concerns that you know you just can't do

anything about at this time.

COCHRAN: Right, because there's -- so the National Park Service covers a wide array of sites. You know, whether they're just historical homes or

battlefields, we also have a fair amount of, you know, natural and you know seashores and natural sites to have a lot of hiking trails.

You know, mountainous terrain where they have, like full time search and rescue crews to help rescue visitors who find themselves in areas that they

don't belong or are unprepared for the hikes that they undertake. So, I know some of those parks have closed their hiking trails due to the

employees being furloughed just to prevent any accidents from happening that will take longer for them to respond to, since they would have to call

people back into the park to work.

And also, of a lot of these parks, most of the staffing that is there that is being forced to work because they're deemed essential are our law

enforcement rangers, our structural fire crews, our wildland fire crews, and they're understaffed like anybody else.

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And so, they're having to cover these huge areas with minimal staffing. So, to help you know, reduce the challenges that they face, they close the

areas as they see fit.

MACFARLANE: Yeah, it's just bringing you under more and more strain by the sound of it. Mark, it's a difficult day. We appreciate you coming on and

speaking to us about this. Thank you.

COCHRAN: Yeah. I appreciate you getting our story out there.

MACFARLANE: Thanks, Mark Cochran there. Now Gaza bound aid flotilla has been intercepted by Israel. Just ahead, what's happening with the dozens of

volunteers reportedly detained as they attempt to deliver food and medicine. Plus, we'll update you on the attack at a British synagogue. What

we're learning about the victims and the suspect.

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MACFARLANE: Israel has intercepted nearly all vessels in a flotilla trying to reach Gaza. The ships were aiming to deliver food, water and medicine to

civilians as the enclave endures a humanitarian crisis amid Israel's offensive. Israel has detained dozens of volunteers, including Swedish

Activist Greta Thunberg.

Well Israel's actions have triggered swift international backlash, including mass protests in Spain, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Tunisia and

Argentina. And a major Italian labor union has called for a national general strike on Friday to show solidarity with the flotilla and the

people of Gaza.

Well Ben Wedeman is joining me now more with the latest. And Ben, activists are saying they've lost contact from all but one ship of the flotilla. Do

we know anything more about that ship?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the ship is called the Mikeno, and it was last seen. It's on the tracking system, the

website that the flotilla has operating well within Gaza's international waters, but there's been no communication with it.

The Israelis also acknowledge that there they have intercepted all but one of those ships, so we don't really know the status. We know that it was one

of around 47 ships and boats that were part of this flotilla that involved more than 500 activists, most of whom, of course, are now in Israeli

custody, including, of course, Greta Thunberg.

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Now we understand that they've been taken to the Port of Ashdod, where they're being, so called processed. Various embassies are in touch with the

Israeli authorities to try to help get their nationals, first of all, treated humanely, and then getting them out of Israeli custody.

But certainly, what we've seen is that the reaction to this Israeli action against the flotilla has been swift. Last night in Rome, at midnight, there

were more than 10,000 people in the streets taking part in protests against the Israeli action we've seen today, spontaneous protests in various

Italian cities.

In Milan, students have taken over one of the universities in protest, and we're expecting a very large demonstration on Saturday in addition of

course that general strike. Also, dockworkers in Italy have said that they are not going to service any ships bound for Israel, particularly those

that contain ammunition or any war material to support Israel's war effort in Gaza at the moment.

And there have been protests elsewhere in Europe, which really reflects, I think, the growing public unhappiness with their government's support for

the war in Israel's war in Gaza. Certainly, what we've seen in Italy is that after, immediately after the October 7th Hamas attacks on Israel,

there was an outpouring of support for Israel.

But as this war has gone on, as the death toll has exceeded 66,000 many of them women and children and people in places like Italy have seen the

images day after day of the destruction of Gaza, of the killing of so many civilians that certainly the tide has turned against Israel when it comes

to public opinion, and it's being shown very much on the streets of Italy and other European cities every day now.

MACFARLANE: Yeah, it certainly appears to be growing, doesn't it? Ben Wedeman there, live from Rome. Thank you, Ben. And just ahead, we'll take

you live to Manchester, England, where at least two people were killed in an attack outside a synagogue. We'll speak to a security expert about new

measures put in place to protect Jewish places of worship.

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MACFARLANE: Welcome back to "One World". I'm Christina Macfarlane in London. Here are some of your headlines we're watching today. Police in

Manchester, England say their officers shot and killed the suspect in an attack on a synagogue earlier. They say the man rammed his car into a crowd

of people gathered outside the building and then began stabbing people.

Two people were killed in the attack, and four people are hospitalized. U.S. President Donald Trump says he's meeting with the White House Budget

Director today to determine which federal agencies will be cut and whether those cuts will be permanent. It comes on the second day of the government

shutdown that shows no sign of ending anytime soon.

At issue, Democrats want extended health care subsidies in a continuing resolution backed by Republicans. And as of now, neither side is

negotiating. Indonesian authorities have shifted from a rescue to a recovery operation at a collapsed school since the search started on

Monday, crews have found five students alive, but dozens are still missing.

Heavy machinery is now being used to remove the rubble and fine bodies. Authorities have confirmed at least five people have died. In New York, two

delta jets were damaged when they collided on the taxiway at New York's LaGuardia Airport. Officials say one plane's wing slammed into the cockpit

windows of another late on Wednesday.

One person was taken to hospital with most others on board escaping without injury. All right, let's continue our coverage of the breaking news out of

Manchester, England. Police say there that two people have died after a man rammed his car into a crowd of people at a synagogue.

The attacker began stabbing people before officers shot and killed him. The attack happened on Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish calendar.

Security has been increased at synagogues across the UK. An organization called the Community Security Trust reports that 2023 and 2024 were record

years for episodes of antisemitic incidents. London's Mayor said he is taking extra steps to make the Jewish community feel safe.

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SADIQ KHAN, LONDON MAYOR: I want to reassure them that in London they will be seeing additional police officers. People should be allowed to go about

and practice their faith knowing they're going to be safe. Unfortunately, too many Jewish Londoners, Jewish people across the country, Jewish people

across the globe, don't feel that way, and that's heartbreaking.

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MACFARLANE: Nic Robertson joins us now from Manchester, and Nic, I know you've been on the ground now for a couple of hours where I'm sure there is

still a great deal of shock over what has happened there. Just tell us what you're seeing.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: There is. And in part, as details emerge from the police. The police now describing this as a

terror incident that they say the attacker appeared to have or be wearing some kind of explosives, and for safety reasons, that has meant getting

more details about him following his shooting because he didn't comply with police instructions.

It has meant it takes more time to get that sort of information, more information about him. But people here outraged, they're angry, they're

afraid. People here are still trying to figure out precisely what has happened. Of course, Yom Kippur, this is an orthodox area that one of the

holiest days of the year, people would not many in this community would not be using their phones.

We spoke to a lady earlier who literally walked quite some distance to get to other members of her family to tell them that she was OK because the

synagogue that was the focus of the attack today was where she would normally go with her children. So, people are, as you say, just coming to

terms with it, but a lot of fear in the community here, as this witness tells us.

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VICKY, LOCAL RESIDENT WHO LIVES NEAR THE SYNAGOGUE: Today is Yom Kippur. It's very holy festival, and I'm Jewish, and absolutely terrified,

terrified. And our neighbor across the road, he goes to the synagogue, and he was telling us what was going on.

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And it's just absolutely frightening, because I'm scared for my own safety and my mum's safety. Because I just feel that the Jewish we're not pulling

together anymore. I just feel this. It was so many people down that road taking pictures, and they're happy to be on camera, but they don't realize

the impact it's putting on the Jewish community now.

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ROBERTSON: Yeah, one gentleman I spoke to here with his sons told me that, you know, he's been worried that this sort of attack could happen, even

talking his family about, should they move to Israel? Is it really safe for them around here? But the fears of the community realized today, but it

could have been worse, police say.

The police chief in Manchester saying, but for the bravery of the security people outside of the synagogue. The attack could have been far worse that

the attacker could have got inside the synagogue that the police chief said was crowded with worshippers.

So, the quick reporting by the public, he said, the selfless acts of bravery by the security personnel outside the synagogue and the acts of the

public in there as well that helped prevent this being a far worse and a far more tragic event.

MACFARLANE: Nic Robertson, tracking developments there in Manchester, appreciate it. Nic, thanks for now. Well, let's take a look at the security

angle of the story. We're joined by Security Specialist Will Geddes, the Managing Director International Corporate Protection.

Will, thank you for being with us. We were hearing there just from Nic, just how much worse this incident could have been had the police not

responded so quickly in the way they did, and they have now declared this as a terror incident. The counter terror police have declared this and two

other people we understand, have been arrested.

So anti-terror police will now be leading this investigation. I imagine what will be their chief concern right now?

WILL GEDDES, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF INTERNATIONAL CORPORATE PROTECTION: Well, I think that the greatest concern right now is inevitably, who else is

connected to this individual. And as you mentioned, obviously, two other people at a property only about a five-minute walk from where the synagogue

is, have actually been arrested.

But one of the things that the police called very, very quickly and very early on, when this incident was occurring, was that it was a Plato, a code

Plato, which basically means a marauding terrorist attack. Now, Yom Kippur is obviously a very important day for the Jewish community.

And many of us within the security industry were on tenterhooks that something might happen today, particularly because there's been a spike of

antisemitism here in the United Kingdom, and the Jewish community are inevitably feeling extremely vulnerable.

MACFARLANE: We heard from the Greater Manchester Police in that press conference earlier that the attacker appeared to be wearing an explosive

vest. And we also heard a short while ago that police carried out controlled explosion on the suspect's car. What does any of that tell you

about the attacker here, and without wanting to get into the realms of speculation, the likelihood that he was acting alone?

GEDDES: Well, I mean, certainly he was on his own. There's only one person that was actually apprehended at the scene of the incident and was

responsible for obviously harming and killing obviously innocent members of the general public who were there, connected in either security capacity or

a worshiping capacity at the synagogue.

In terms of, obviously, the IED belt or devices that seem to be attached to him again, until the police actually tell us more detail and confirm

whether they were actually viable devices or whether they were inert. It wouldn't be a massive surprise if they were an inert device, because we've

seen that before on the London Bridge terrorist attack a number of years back, where the perpetrators of that attack were wearing fake bomb belts to

try and deter members of the general public and even possibly the authorities from responding.

But again, since that time, the police have had considerable amounts of training, obviously, in how to deal with those situations.

MACFARLANE: And the prime minister has said now that there will be additional security around the country outside synagogues nationwide,

which, of course, is going to be especially necessary as we approach the October 7th anniversary. How challenging, how difficult will it be to put

that in place, and how will that work, exactly?

GEDDES: Well. I mean, you raise that very valid point, how viable and how reasonable is it to be able to implement enhanced levels of security whilst

we're in this incredibly volatile time, and especially, as you say, coming up to the anniversary of October the seventh.

The big concern is that certainly, many of the synagogues, certainly in the Jewish community, have already employed private security to try and assist

them. This really comes down to, from the police. It's more a show of support than anything else.

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How effective it actually is, that's an entirely different matter, because something that we know about individuals that have a terrorism agenda is

they may carry out what we call hostile surveillance or reconnaissance in advance of an attack. And again, it's going to be down to the security,

private security to hopefully being suitably equipped and trained to be able to identify if any suspicious reconnaissance is being undertaken prior

to potentially an attack taking place.

But our police forces are incredibly stretched as they are, but at least this is a gesture of support to the Jewish community.

MACFARLANE: And police have said again in that press conference earlier that they have identified the suspect's identity, but they are not

obviously releasing his name for security purposes. How important is it at this time that authorities prevent the flow of information from this

incident from getting out of hand?

GEDDES: Well, absolutely essential, because the void of information will be filled by people on social media, people making their own speculations,

their own assessments, and ultimately, some of those can be misdirecting or misinformation.

So, I think it's very important, certainly we, the authorities, one would like to hope, have learned a very, very, very much from the Southport

instance, that they need to actually disclose sufficient information to reassure the general public that they're working in their best interests.

So, the identity, yes, the race, yes. I'm afraid that has to be disclosed, because otherwise people are going to be highly suspicious of the

authorities, and for them to maintain the upper hand and a position of all authority, they have to be transparent with the general public as much as

they can without prejudicing any kind of case or investigation.

MACFARLANE: And well, we know the prime minister is currently at Downing Street hosting a Cobra meeting for what is now a terror crisis. What are

the ranges of responses that could come from such a meeting?

GEDDES: Well, the outcomes of that meeting, certainly, you know in terms of what sort of stance we need to be on. Our threat level is substantial at

the moment, which means that a terrorism, attack is likely, whether there is an amplification or an increase to that threat level.

We don't know that may very well be discussed, obviously at our meeting in Cabinet Office briefing room A or Cobra, as is otherwise known. But a lot

of information, and certainly the threat level, will be dictated by what our Domestic Intelligence Agency MI5 is obviously going to pass forward to

the prime minister and to the other key people there for them to make that decision.

But I think nobody in the general public here in the United Kingdom, or for that matter, in the United States or elsewhere, is naive to the fact that

we are in incredibly worrying times right now. And that the threat of Islamic extremism is exceptionally high, and something that we hope our

government and intelligence agencies are supporting us with.

MACFARLANE: Will, really great to have your analysis this hour as obviously the investigation continues and we will come back and hopefully speak to

you again. Appreciate it. Thank you.

GEDDES: Thank you.

MACFARLANE: All right, still to come. Greenland conducts its biggest ever military drills and ramps up defense spending by $2 billion who Denmark may

be trying to send a message to.

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MACFARLANE: European officials are discussing a drone wall as they work to boost security at a summit in Denmark. The drone wall would be a layered

network of detection and interception systems that builds on individual countries' capabilities. European leaders have been under pressure to

fortify defenses after reported incursions into EU airspace.

Most have pointed the finger at Russia, but the Kremlin denies any involvement. At the summit today, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy,

urged coordinated solution involving all of Europe.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE: And when we talk about the drone wall, we are talking about all of Europe, not just on one country. If the

Russians dare to launch drones against Poland or violate the airspace of northern European countries. It means this can happen anywhere,

In Western Europe, in the south, we need fast and effective response and defense forces that know how to deal with drones.

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MACFARLANE: Well in Greenland, Denmark are staging its largest ever military drills. The publicly stated goal is to deter Russia and China as

they eye the strategic Arctic location. But some wonder if these war games are really a message for Washington and U.S. President Donald Trump.

Matthew Chance reports.

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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CHIEF GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a vast landscape, remote and virtually untamed, but Greenland has emerged as

a key Arctic battleground as Russia and China vie with NATO allies for Arctic influence. CNN was invited here by the Danish military to observe

their biggest ever combat exercise, dubbed Arctic light.

Much of Greenland, ruled by Denmark for three centuries, is a moonscape of jagged ice. A frozen desert rich in resources the size of Alaska and

California combined. Danish military officials say this unforgiving terrain is virtually unconquerable, but they're still training hard to repulse any

would be attackers.

COMMANDER SOREN ANDERSEN, DANISH JOINT ARCTIC COMMAND: We are here to protect Greenland, and in order to protect Greenland, we have to train and

because if you're not up here and conduct training, you're not able to defend Greenland. So that -- but that's what we're doing.

CHANCE: What are the security threats to Greenland? Who you protecting it from?

ANDERSEN: Yeah, against Russia. That is the main threat for Greenland. There's not a threat now, but there's a future threat. So, we are looking

into a threat when the war in Ukraine is over.

CHANCE (voice-over): But such a remote danger begs the question why Denmark is ramping up military spending right now to the tune of billions of

dollars and pouring its limited resources into the Arctic.

CHANCE: Well, Greenland has become a highly contested territory seen as strategically important, and Denmark has deployed its air force, its navy

and its land assets here to show that it is in charge very much, and is increasing its presence. Now the purpose of this exercise is to deter

countries like Russia and China, we're told by Danish military officials, which are increasingly active in the Arctic region.

But the real message, the real target audience for all of this, is in Washington and President Trump.

TRUMP: We need Greenland for national security and even international security, and we're working with everybody involved to try and get it.

CHANCE (voice-over): That ambition appears to have dropped off the White House agenda, at least for now.

TRUMP: -- one way or the other, we're going to get it.

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CHANCE (voice-over): But in the icy fjords of Greenland with naval exercise is underway too. It's still seen as the most pressing diplomatic challenge.

Although Denmark's top General, who CNN met on board a Danish frigate, was careful not to admit it in public.

CHANCE: Is the real reason for these maneuvers, the remarks by President Trump about the sovereignty of Greenland? Is it intended to send a message

to Washington?

MICHAEL HYLDGAARD, DANISH CHIEF OF DEFENSE: This is a military exercise. It is to demonstrate our ability to protect Greenland. And that's the military

side of it.

CHANCE: It's not meant as a message to Washington. Greenland can protect this. Denmark can protect Greenland.

HYLDGAARD: Yeah. I'm not politician, so I have a military task.

CHANCE (voice-over): But as we flew out of Greenland, it was clear that military task carries a key Danish political goal, not just to deter Moscow

and Beijing from ever invading this vast Arctic expanse, but also to convince Washington there's no need to take Greenland as its own. Matthew

Chance, CNN for Greenland.

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MACFARLANE: Ahead on the show next, we will be remembering Jane Goodall. She was a trailblazer in so many ways. We'll take a closer look at her

groundbreaking studies on chimpanzees and the legacy she leaves behind.

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MACFARLANE: And finally, this hour, we are remembering Dr. Jane Goodall, known for her lifetime of research with chimpanzees, she has died at the

age of 91. Her institute says she passed away of natural causes in California during a speaking tour across the United States.

Her lifelong work is as a primatologist, not only expanded our understanding of some of our closest human relatives, its broke barriers

for women. She appeared absolutely tirelessly into -- tirelessly well into her senior years, and just last year, she spoke with CNN.

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DR. JANE GOODALL, FORMER PRIMATOLOGIST AND ANTHROPOLOGIST: Who is Jane Goodall today? Well, she's two people. She's sitting here talking to you,

just me, Jane, and then there's that icon out there, which has probably been created by geographic discovery even CNN and I try and live up to that

one.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did people say, excuse me, who are you?

GOODALL: The scientists did. You know fortunately, I'd loved animals all my life. I had an amazing supportive mother, and I had a great teacher when I

was a child, who taught me absolutely. These professors at Cambridge may be very knowledgeable and learned and erudite, but this teacher taught me that

when it comes to animal personality, mind and emotion, they're wrong, and that was my dog.

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MACFARLANE: Carter Roberts with the World Wildlife Fund, says, quote, she embodied two fundamental human impulses to connect in the deepest way with

those species with whom we share this planet, and to ensure that our children inherit that same sense of joy, wonder and awe in the natural

world.

She has inspired millions around the world to acquire the same kind of courage and determination to save what we love most. And that is a fitting

way to end this. I'll be back with more just after this quick break. Stay with us.

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