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At Least Two Killed In U.K. "Terrorist Incident"; No Signs Of Compromise, White House Says Firings "Imminent"; Funding Impasse Enters Day Two With No Deal In Sight; Israel Halts Nearly All Flotilla Vessels Trying To Reach Gaza; 59 Remain Missing As Rescue Operation Turns To Recovery; U.S. Government Shutdown Anxiety Hits Federal Workforce; Morocco Rocked By Four Days of Anti-Government Demonstrations; Meta To Use A.I. Chatbot To Make Even More Personalized Ads; FIFA Announces First Afghan Women's Refugee Squad; Aired 12-1p ET
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CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN ANCHOR: The U.K. reels after a deadly terror attack on a synagogue. The second hour of "One World" starts right now.
Shock and sorrow in the U.K. following a rampage at a synagogue on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar. We're live in Manchester with the
details.
Funding cuts loom large as the U.S. government shutdown enters day two with President Trump threatening to slash, quote, democratic agencies.
Plus, AI-powered advertising is on its way. The new move from Meta that will free up Facebook and Instagram to target advertising using your A.I.
chats.
Live from London, I'm Christina Macfarlane. Zain and Bianna are off today. And you are watching the second hour of "One World."
We're following breaking news out of the U.K., a horrific attack at a synagogue on Yom Kippur, Judaism's holiest day. Police say the attacker
rammed a car into a crowd and stabbed one person. At least two people are dead and four others are hospitalized.
Police say officers shot and killed the suspect. This image led to be of the alleged suspect surface on social media to arrests have been made and
police are treating this as a terror incident.
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LAURENCE TAYLOR, NATIONAL HEAD OF COUNTER-TERRORISM POLICING: And I want to be clear, U.K. policing is mobilizing and it's mobilizing fast. Police
forces are stepping up patrols across the country at synagogues and Jewish sites and more widely to provide reassurance to all those communities who
have been affected by this incident. At counterterrorism police, we're deploying all of our capabilities in response to what has happened.
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MACFARLANE: Well, the British Prime Minister has called an emergency meeting and says security at British synagogues will be increased. The
community, meanwhile, remains in shock.
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SIMON CASSEL, STUDENT: It's obviously very to the eerie, honestly. No one knows the full story of what's going on here, but we know the basics and is
devastating to hear on the holiest day in the year for the Jewish community.
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MACFARLANE: Our Nic Robertson joins us now from Manchester with a closer look at the incident. So, Nic, this attack has now been declared a terror
incident. We have had two briefings from the Manchester police in just the last hour or so. What more did we learn?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: I think one of the things we learned was that the attacker, the alleged attacker, appeared to
have been wearing some kind of explosives. And that's why we heard from the police saying it was a safety issue that they couldn't sort of get to the
attacker after he had been shot and killed.
But I think one of the other things that stands out from what we heard from -- from police today is -- is a tribute, if you will, to the community, the
speed with which they reacted to call the police and the way that the -- the selfless acts of bravery of the young people -- people providing
security at the synagogue on this, the holiest day, a busy day. A lot of people would have been there for prayers.
Their selfless acts of bravery, according to the Manchester police chief, actually stopped the attacker who appeared to be intent on getting inside
the synagogue from running amok in there and creating far more chaos and -- and bloodshed.
So, the details that we are getting from the police point to a quick response from the police. The police did something today that they rarely
do in the country, which is send out an alert to all the armed police officers in the region to get on -- to get to this location, to get that
particular location as quickly as they could so the -- the police -- the police are happy with the speed of their response with the way that it was
dealt with, but most specifically how the public behaved and helped informing the police and -- and protecting themselves.
But this is something that many people have feared, perhaps, was coming. The number of anti-Semitic attacks in the U.K. has been on the rise, in
particular since October 7th, but perhaps more so over -- over this past summer.
The fears and concerns in the community that small incidents of threats of -- of things said on the street might escalate into something like this.
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So in a way what has happened today are people's fears, worse fears and nightmares about what might happen.
I spoke to one gentleman who was here with his sons earlier, trying to get more details about what was happening, and he said, look, frankly, you
know, we worry if we should leave the country and go to Israel, because it doesn't feel safe.
Now, of course, he said, you know, we've got family, friends here don't really want to leave. But this is something that's going to be felt way
beyond the families of the victims, way beyond the friends of the victims.
This is -- this is something that is going to be deeply felt collectively by the community here. And the tragedy of it isn't going to disappear fast.
MACFARLANE: Yes. And I'm sure echoed by Jewish communities around the country.
Nic Robertson there live for us in Manchester. Thank you for now, Nic.
Now, federal authorities are racking up arrests in Memphis, Tennessee as President Trump pushes his crime crackdown across the U.S. But only in
Democrat led cities, including Washington, Los Angeles, Chicago and Portland, Oregon.
In the first 48 hours in Memphis, official reports, 53 people were taken into custody and 20 illegal firearms seized. On Wednesday, several top
Trump officials converged there alongside what's been called the Memphis Safe Task Force comprised of multiple state and federal agencies.
Those same officers say 219 officers have been deputized and Special Ops Center is up and running. And this is the message to their officers.
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PETE HEGSETH, U.S. DEFENSE SECRETARY: Our job here is to (INAUDIBLE) all of you, law enforcement to provide the National Guards and who can secure
facilities and secure law enforcement to stand alongside you. So you're freed up to go out and provide safety and freedom to the citizens of
Memphis.
PAM BONDI, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: If you touch a law enforcement officer, it is a crime and you are going to jail. We are arresting anyone who
touches any of you.
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MACFARLANE: Well, some residents welcome the intervention, but others say it's simply political theatre and not about public safety.
It looks like the U.S. government shutdown now into its second day may not be resolved until next week at the earliest and could possibly last a lot
longer than that.
A top Republican aide saying the Senate is trending towards not holding votes this weekend and lawmakers aren't on the Hill today due to the Yom
Kippur holiday.
Well, President Donald Trump meanwhile says he plans to meet with the White House budget director soon to discuss which agencies could face cuts and
funding that have already been congressionally appropriated.
And on Wednesday, he threatened to implement mass federal layoffs.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There could be firings and that's their fault. And it could also be other things. I mean, we could cut
projects that they wanted, favorite projects and they'd be permanently cut.
So you could say -- a lot of people are saying Trump wanted this, that I wanted this closing. And I didn't want it. But a lot of people are saying
it because I'm allowed to cut things that should have never been approved in the first place.
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MACFARLANE: Well, you heard Trump's mention his critics there who say the shutdown is all part of his plan to dramatically shrink the government and
reshape the federal workforce.
But one high-profile senator says Democrats are standing firm in the face of what he says is cruelty.
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SEN. RICHARD BLUMENTHAL (D-CT): This administration is boundlessly cruel and they have threatened maximum pain.
They've done layoffs before and they will continue them unless we take a strong stand and show we will not be bullied.
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MACFARLANE: CNN's Arlette Saenz is joining me now live in Washington. And, Arlette, tell us what are you hearing any rumblings on the Hill of anyone
willing to talk to each other in this moment and whether this mass firing of federal workers is likely to go ahead.
ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Christina, the effort to avert -- or to end the government shutdown remain at a standstill right now. And
that is because many senators are actually out of town at this moment.
Senate Republican leaders allowed senators to leave for the day for the Jewish holy day of Yom Kippur. And so there are no plans or efforts to vote
today. The earliest that senators could take a step to try to reopen the government would be tomorrow.
Now, there are some groups of Republican and democratic lawmakers who are speaking behind the scenes, but these conversations are really being
characterized as more informal than official negotiations.
Some of the conversations have centered around the extension of those Obamacare subsidies. As Democrats say that some Republican senators have
acknowledged that the expiration of those tax credits could cause some harm to American people as their health insurance premiums would go up.
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But it's still unclear whether any of those conversations will actually get traction to head into negotiations between democratic and Republican
leaders and President Donald Trump.
But as you mentioned today, there is that renewed threat of mass layoffs for the federal workforce if this government shutdown continues. The White
House, this morning, saying that that could total into the thousands of workers.
And President Trump himself said that he is planning to meet soon with the director of the budget office to talk about potential cuts they can make to
what he described as Democrat agencies.
We have already seen the administration take some steps to cut already approved funding for existing projects in New York City as well as energy
programs in more than a dozen democratic states.
Earlier today, House Speaker Mike Johnson said it is -- it is well within President Trump's authority to make those cuts. Take a listen.
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REP. MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA): It could end today if the Senate Democrats would come to their senses and do the right thing for the American people. But if
they don't, and if they keep the government closed, it's going to get more and more painful because the resources run out and more and more things
have to be reduced and eliminated.
Is it constitutional? Is it lawful? Is it part of our system? Of course it is. It always has been. And these Democrats are the ones who have decided
to inflict the pain, not the president.
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SAENZ: Now, the White House and Republicans are hoping that these threats might push Democrats to move towards their seven-week stopgap funding bill.
Now, as I noted today, the Senate will not be voting. They could vote or they are planning to vote tomorrow. It's unclear whether there's actually
enough traction to get Democrats on board with their plan.
And then all eyes will be on the weekend. There are very serious doubts about whether the Senate, in fact, will vote over the weekend. One GOP aide
indicated that is trending. They will not and instead give lawmakers a chance to reflect over the weekend about the consequences of this shutdown.
But House Speaker Mike Johnson said that he believes the Senate needs to stay here. It needs to stay at work until they can work out a way to get
out of this shutdown. But still really big questions about what that resolution will actually look like and how long this will last.
MACFARLANE: Yes. All eyes continue to be on Capitol Hill.
Arlette Saenz, for now, thank you so much.
Let's turn to Tolu Olorunnipa, who is a staff writer at "The Atlantic." And he joins me now also from Washington. Thank you so much for your time.
It is -- it's no secret is it that Donald Trump used his first eight months of his presidency to hollow out the federal workforce. And you write for
"The Atlantic" this week saying this could be Trump's most audacious move yet using a government shutdown to conduct mass firings. Just begin by
talking to us about the jeopardy of this moment.
TOLUSE OLORUNNIPA, STAFF WRITER, THE ATLANTIC: Well, the first thing we have to note is that the federal workforce is already much smaller than --
than it was when Trump first took office by about 200,000 people who have left this federal workforce, some by voluntary measures, some by
involuntary measures.
And the president and his allies have been trying to shrink the federal workforce since he took office. And this is an opportunity, in their minds,
for them to supercharge that effort and go even further by cutting people off of their jobs in the middle of this federal shutdown using this as an
opportunity to permanently lay off dozens of different agencies, people from more than a dozen different agencies, and potentially thousands of
workers having their jobs lost.
And this is something that President Trump wants to do. I remember the first time he had a -- the last time he had a federal shutdown back in 2018
and 2019. He ended that shutdown and talked about how incredible the federal workers were to have gone through such a predicament in which they
weren't being paid.
We have a much different version of him this time around in which he is talking about shutting down, quote-unquote, Democrat agencies. These are
taxpayer-funded agencies that have been in place under Republican and democratic presidents.
He's calling them Democrat agencies, saying he wants to shut them down and cut thousands of people from their jobs. We have a president who is very
much leaning into this moment and trying to exert partisan pressure and get as many political wins as he can out of this jeopardizing moment.
MACFARLANE: Yes. There is so much politics at play in this moment. And I wonder, Tolu, if you saw "The Washington Post" poll out today, saying that
I think 47 percent of Americans think the blame for the shutdown actually lies with Donald Trump and his congressional Republicans, which is
interesting because we know that it's typically the party who vote to shut down government who are the ones that get blamed.
So, does that suggest perhaps that the Republicans threat to lay off thousands of federal workers could be backfiring?
OLORUNNIPA: Yes. There is a very real prospect that the president and his allies could be overplaying their hands. We've heard this from a number of
Democrats today who have said, that poll and others show that this is not playing the way that President Trump thought it would when he, you know,
tried to put this threat and sort of use this forceful measure to try to back Democrats into a quarter.
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The idea of laying off thousands of workers, the idea of using this for partisan ends, having, you know, government websites say this website will
not be updated because of radical Democrats. These are taxpayer-funded websites that are not supposed to be engaged in partisanship like that.
And so that could be very well backfiring on his president. It could be an overplaying of the hand that he was dealt. And Democrats are seeing that.
And that's part of the reason some of them are saying that we need to stiffen our spine, don't cowl in the face of these threats and this effort
by the president and Republicans to, you know, gut federal agencies and cut some of the programs that are popular in our states.
They are saying that this polling shows that it's going to be the Republicans that are paying the price for this. And because both sides
think that they are winning, it's likely that this shutdown could continue for several more days.
MACFARLANE: And we know that Republicans need just, I think, five more votes for this bill to pass. And looking at both sides of the political
spectrum here, I mean, how much could also Republicans be jeopardizing so- called moderate Democrats in the middle there by upping the ante -- ante with these threats to lay off thousands of workers? Because potentially,
that could also galvanize those moderate Democrats against doing that.
Olorunnipa: Yes. We have not seen any more Democrats break ranks since we've seen these threats come through, since they've started cutting
funding to democratic states in a very blatant political measure from the Republican administration to go after states that are seen as political
enemies. And that is not a way to win friends and influence people.
Normally, in these types of shutdowns, we have kind of bipartisan small group that works behind the scenes and tries to come up with something that
could be palatable on both sides, to get both sides away from the brink, say, let's talk, let's open the government up and talk about our
differences.
But instead, you're seeing the Republican administration go after its democratic foes and try to exert pressure and try to force them into
complying. And that is not a way to really get some of these lawmakers to break ranks or to decide that they're not going to continue in their
current position.
And so this pressure tactic and campaign has not worked so far, it's not been effective, and we'll have to wait and see whether the president change
his tact. But right now, it's not appearing that they're anywhere close to finding an off-ramp for this government shutdown. And the -- the -- the
impact could be really significant, not only on the workers, but also on the economy and the people who rely on the services that are provided by
various federal workers.
MACFARLANE: And all of this, in many ways, is a distraction from what's going on in cities across America. As Donald Trump continues to deploy
National Guard troops to more than half a dozen cities, presumably spending a lot of money while he does so, while at the same time threatening to
permanently -- permanently terminate thousands of federal worker jobs.
OLORUNNIPA: Yes, it is a distraction. And it happens to be one of -- according to some of the lawmakers I've spoken to, it's one reason that
they are forcing this shutdown now.
I've talked to a senator yesterday who said that we only have a few opportunities to fight back against, not only the -- the issues that are at
play in this funding fight, but the broader themes that we're seeing from this president, themes of authoritarianism, of sending the military into
U.S. cities, of breaking with norms, of seizing power that has not been seized by previous presidents.
Democrats feel like President Trump has overstepped his boundary. And that's part of the reason why they're pushing back and forcing this fight
over funding, over healthcare. But it's a broader fight over much more than that.
And that's part of the reason why we're in this broader battle between Republicans and Democrats over what a president's power should be, how far
a president should go, and whether Democrats should be standing up against this.
Their voters are calling on them to stand up against this. And several of them have decided that they're not going to stand for what the president is
doing. And because of that, it does appear that this government shutdown could be one for the history book.
The -- the longest one that we have in history was also under President Trump in 2019, 35 days long. Some Democrats are believing that this could
be even longer.
MACFARLANE: Yes. And as you say, all of that could have massive, massive implications for the economy.
Tolu Olorunnipa, really great to have your thoughts with us today. Thank you.
OLORUNNIPA: Thank you.
MACFARLANE: Now, Israel intercepts a Gaza-bound aid flotilla. Ahead, what's happening with the many volunteers reportedly detained as they try to
deliver life-saving items, including water and baby formula?
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MACFARLANE: Israel has intercepted nearly all vessels including this one in a flotilla trying to break the country's blockade of Gaza. The ships were
aiming to deliver life-saving items to civilians including food water and medicine. All as the enclave suffers a humanitarian crisis amid Israel's
punishing offensive.
Flotilla organizes called Israel's interception of the ships an illegal attack. Israel says the activists were not interested in aid but in
provocation. With dozens of volunteers on board, the vessels have been detained including Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg.
A legal team has now been granted access to an Israeli port to carry out consultations for them. And Paula Hancocks has more now on what happened
when those ships were intercepted and how the world is responding.
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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Water sprays the crew of a Gaza-bound aid ship.
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The Global Sumud Flotilla says one of its vessels was, quote, deliberately rammed and others targeted by water cannons by the Israeli military.
One by one, dozens of vessels were intercepted in international waters and boarded by Israeli forces. Livestreams were cut, activists detained.
Numerous flotillas have tried to break Israel's 18-year blockade on Gaza in the past, all were intercepted by Israel or came under some form of attack.
This is the largest flotilla to date. Organizers call the interception, quote, an illegal attack, saying they were carrying food, medicine and baby
formula. Israel says the activists were, quote, not interested in aid but in provocation.
As the interceptions began Wednesday night, pro-Palestinian protesters took to the streets in Italy, Turkey and several other countries.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): This is a nonviolent flotilla. We have no weapons. We carry medicine, food and serum to save lives.
HANCOCKS (voice-over): Israel released footage of the most famous passenger Swedish activist, Greta Thunberg, saying she is, quote, safe and healthy.
GRETA THUNBERG, SWEDISH CLIMATE ACTIVIST: If you are watching this video, I have been abducted and taken against my will by Israeli forces. Our
humanitarian mission was non-violent and abiding by international law.
HANCOCKS (voice-over): The Israeli Foreign Ministry says activists are being transported to Israel where their deportation to Europe will be
processed.
In 2010, Israel's military killed nine Turkish nationals when it boarded the Mavi Marmara flotilla trying to break the blockade. It sparked
international outrage.
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More than 500 participants from dozens of different countries did not make it through the Israeli blockade nor were they expected to. What they did
was increase international scrutiny on the desperate humanitarian situation in Gaza at a time that Israel finds itself increasingly isolated over its
actions there.
Paula Hancocks, CNN, Abu Dhabi.
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MACFARLANE: Indonesian authorities have made the decision to change rescue operation at a collapsed school into a recovery operation. Hopes are fading
for the 59 people still missing and at least five people died in the collapse.
CNN's Ivan Watson has this report.
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IVAN WATSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A rescue from the ruins. Indonesian emergency workers have been digging and cutting in a desperate
effort to find dozens of boys trapped since their school suddenly collapsed on Monday.
This mother's prayers answered when rescuers plucked her son from the rubble.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I thought there was only a 20 percent chance he'd make it, but I kept saying, in the name of God, my
child is strong. My child is strong. I kept reciting praises for the prophet.
But for too many other families, an agonizing vigil that's now turned to despair.
Officials bring in heavy machinery and announced they've detected no more signs of life. Parents line up to give DNA samples to help identify bodies
of young victims.
This woman's 17-year-old son, Ahmed (ph), is among those missing.
My hope is fading, she says. I need them to find his body soon so that he can be buried beside his father's grave.
The Al-Khoziny Islamic boarding school was a four-story building in the Indonesian city of Sidoarjo. Students were gathering for afternoon prayers
on Monday as construction workers were reportedly pouring concrete on the roof of the school. That's when the building collapsed.
A top Indonesian government official now calls this a wake-up call. Authorities say they've launched an investigation into the cause of this
deadly disaster.
Ivan Watson, CNN.
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MACFARLANE: All right. Coming up, the U.S. government shutdown is causing anxiety among the federal workforce as they brace for potential job cuts. A
look at this and other economic issues impacting U.S. as a result of the shutdown.
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MACFARLANE: Welcome back to "One World." I'm Christina Macfarlane.
President Donald Trump says he'll meet today with his top budget official to decide which federal agencies will face cuts amid the U.S. government
shutdown.
The president clearly applying pressure on Democrats who are refusing, at this point, to give way to Republicans over the government funding impasse.
The next Senate votes on a deal to fund the government is expected on Friday. And right now, we're looking at a continued standoff with neither
side ready to give any ground.
All of this uncertainty adding to the anxiety of many federal employees as they brace for delayed paychecks and potential layoffs. The shutdown also
adding significant uncertainty to policy makers, business leaders and investors who rely on data compiled by the government to make key economic
decisions.
For more on the impact of the government shutdown, let's bring in Ryan Patel. He's a leading voice on global business, political economy and
corporate governments.
And, Ryan, there is a lot to discuss today. Look, we know that shutdowns typically aren't significant events for the stock market or for the
economy, but this time is different. The Trump administration is threatening mass layoffs for federal workers. And the feeling is this could
be quite prolonged.
If those layoffs happen, what could that spell for the economy?
RYAN PATEL, SENIOR FELLOW, DRUCKER SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT, CLAREMONT UNIVERSITY: Yes, I know. I think you -- you hit it right on the -- on the
point, right? I think this administration, if we recall in December 28 to 29, it lasted 34 days. So they're used to going through this unknown.
And I think part of when you see what was different this time is that they're actually going to do layoffs versus last time it was, you know, the
pay got back paid eventually. So there was much of a wash.
So, I think there's another thing that you -- you pointed out too was the data. I can't believe I'm -- I'm saying this, but like the data is so
important, not just from the government, but how people, business leaders, you know, look at it.
We can get private sources when it comes to payroll data, specifically, but they don't match the depth and reliability of the official government
numbers, which all of us rely on, especially the Fed and the way business react to it.
MACFARLANE: Yes. And -- and speaking about the data, we know that the jobs report is due this Friday. How is the -- you know, the -- the -- the
holding back of key economic data for policymakers like the Federal Reserve going to play out, you know, when they've got an important decision to make
on inflation in the weeks ahead?
PATEL: So that's what I'm thinking. Great question. I don't know the answer to that, but I know when we're going to get to answer that is -- is October
28 and 29 --
MACFARLANE: Yes.
PATEL: -- when the Fed meets again.
And to me, you know, we are in this stance. So when -- when you're asking me, well, how long will it go? Nobody knows.
But I mean, I -- I have a feeling we may get -- you know, hopefully it gets -- it gets ended. But if it doesn't, that's the date I'm looking at to see,
to provide some clarity.
I don't think we can go into that meeting, still in a government shutdown, allow, you know, and then it gives federal, you know, Jerome Powell the
opportunity to give a maybe not so nice message about the economy and the Fed cut and the Fed -- you know, Federal Reserve goes interest rates are
not going to cut. That'll be a bad message for the U.S. economy.
MACFARLANE: Yes. It's interesting how Wall Street have been sort of remarkably unfazed by the risks of this government shutdown. In fact, I
think we even saw the Dow reaching some record highs yesterday.
Is that because, you know, they've been here before, you know, these are -- in their, perhaps in their view, relatively minor events and things that
don't generally impact the economy in -- in what we've been saying?
PATEL: You're being so nice to the market right now. The markets jump left and right for anyone saying anything, right? Like we -- we haven't seen
that.
I -- I think what we're seeing, and this is my opinion, is that they're priced in the Fed, the -- the interest rate cut, they're op -- you know,
they're pretty optimistic as of right now that, you know, the shutdown will be short. You know, they're not reacting strongly because everything is on
a high, the Dow, the S&P 500. And the other thing too, what's different, it's the A.I. tech stocks that are leading the stock market.
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So they -- you know, the exposure there to the rest of it is not as much and they're on an all-time high. So they are bringing along the rest of the
market, but let's not get this twisted. If this goes on for five to six weeks --
MACFARLANE: Yes.
PATEL: -- we will see the market having to accordingly react because other businesses, small businesses eventually get to that point.
So, yes, I mean, we've been here before, but we've seen the market react for no reason on just small data aspects to it.
And so I -- I think they're really optimistic right now. They got a -- they got an interest rate cut that they haven't seen for a little while and
they're expecting another one.
And so I think that will determine if they don't see that or we see other data from maybe ADP saying jobs are jobs report not as great as they're
anticipated or the inflation rate not going, then you'll see the market react no matter if we're in a shutdown or not.
But the shutdown --
MACFARLANE: Yes.
PATEL: -- does have an effect on how they do that forward.
MACFARLANE: Yes. My next question was going to be how long and you -- you answered it there five or six weeks, perhaps until we potentially see some,
you know, major move.
But it -- it's also -- what do you want to say?
PATEL: I hope not. But, yes, I mean, that would be like the backend of that.
MACFARLANE: Yes. I mean, it's hard to ignore the -- the sort of poor timing as well of this shutdown. The U.S. economy in 2025 is not where it was
during previous budget fight. So there is jeopardy in this moment, right?
PATEL: And there is, right? Because this is not just one thing. And we -- we are interconnected in a global economy. So it is very complex. You know,
you've got the tariffs. We've got, you know, not just, you know, the talent of -- of -- of being able to recruit into the country and manufacturing,
like, I can go down the list.
You know, there is a lot of things that needs to get better and needs to stay competitive. And I think to stay competitive and have that high
growth, you kind of have to be firing on all cylinders.
And I think right now, the U.S. is trying to build their economy in a way that, you know, you're trying to stay ahead and be innovative and not going
backwards. And I think that's where -- you know, having an extra complex uncertainty for many of these business leaders, you see a lot of
investments cash on the sideline. And then cash on the sideline is not good if it's not being put in to work.
MACFARLANE: Yes. Well, all eyes on Friday to see what happens next. And I'll forever be perplexed by the markets. So I appreciate you breaking it
down for me, Ryan. Thank you.
PATEL: Thank you.
MACFARLANE: Now, Morocco's parliament is meeting today to discuss healthcare and education following days of youth-led protests.
Demonstrators accused the government of spending billions of dollars on preparations for the 2030 World Cup instead of investing to repair
crumbling infrastructure and provide social services.
Hundreds of protesters have been arrested and some 260 officers injured in days of demonstrations that have at times turned violent.
CNN's Hanako Montgomery reports.
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HANAKO MONTGOMERY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Moroccans taking to the streets and demanding an end to corruption, better healthcare and education
reforms.
The nationwide youth-led protests have rocked the North African nation for several days. This video shows a police van suddenly ramming into
demonstrators in the city of Oujda. The fate of those involved remains unclear.
The government issued a statement this week saying it's open to dialogue, quote, within institutions and public spaces to find realistic solutions.
That's according to Reuters.
Over in Madagascar, in East Africa, another movement led by young people has swept the island nation. This time over water and power cuts. And not
even the president dissolving the government has put a stop to the unrest.
The United Nations says at least 22 people have been killed, and more than 100 injured. But the government rejects those numbers. Morocco and
Madagascar are the latest in a number of youth-led uprisings in different parts of the world.
In Kathmandu, Nepali Gen Z led tens of thousands of protesters into the streets two weeks ago, furious over government corruption.
In Indonesia, protests swelled after 21-year-old was killed by police in August.
Elsewhere, crowds took to the streets in the Philippines and France.
And in several of these protests, this skull flag has been raised.
MONTGOMERY: So, what does the flag mean? Well, it comes from Japan's best- selling manga, "One Piece."
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MONTGOMERY (voice-over): In the story, the flag is the jolly roger of the Straw Hat Pirates who don't just hunt treasure but also fight oppressive
powers and demand freedom. For protesters, that message hits home.
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KEMAS MUHAMMAD FIRDAUS, MURAL ARTIST (through text translation): This is a symbol of warning for the government. So they have to look at their people.
Many Indonesians are hoisting the "One Piece" flag because they want the government to listen to them.
MONTGOMERY (voice-over): The protests around the world may have different origins, but the anger is the same. That's why young people have turned
this skull flag into a global banner of defiance and freedom.
Hanako Montgomery, CNN.
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MACFARLANE: All right. Coming up, if you've ever used social media, you'll likely know just how creepily personalized the advertisements can be. Well,
they're about to get even more personal. We'll tell you about Meta's plan for chatbots, ahead.
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MACFARLANE: Let's check on how the U.S. market is doing on day two of a government shutdown.
Investors have seen mostly unfazed by the impasse over federal funding. The Dow and S&P both closing at new record highs on Wednesday. And there you
can see a bit of a mixed picture today. The Dow and the S&P down, NASDAQ, up, in the green as things stand.
Well, Warren Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway announced its biggest deal in three years, acquiring OxyChem in an all cash deal of $9.7 billion. OxyChem
is the chemical business side of Occidental, the company in which Buffett is a major investor.
About $6.5 billion of that deal will pay down Occidental's debt. This is Buffett's biggest deal since he bought insurance company Alleghany in 2022.
Hiring plans at American companies are at their lowest since the Great Recession 16 years ago. That's according to new data from a leading
outplacement firm in the U.S.
Through September, it found companies announced hiring plans for just over 200,000 jobs. That's a 58 percent drop from the last year and the lowest
since 2009.
Now, amid widespread warnings about the impact of artificial intelligence on jobs, a new study at Yale University indicates that ChatGPT is not
taking American jobs, at least not yet. The researchers looked at changes since ChatGPT launched 33 months ago and did not yet find a discernible
disruption to the labor market. But they say they will continue to monitor relevant data on a monthly basis.
Well, another A.I. chatbot, however, will try to wedge itself even deeper into the lives of users and their wallets.
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Meta, which owns Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp, has announced that it will soon use your conversations with its A.I. chatbot to try to sell you
more stuff.
Well, CNN tech reporter Clare Duffy joins me with more. I guess, Clare, this is kind of predictable, but it doesn't stop it being quite creepy and
pretty disappointing.
CLARE DUFFY, CNN TECH REPORTER: Yes, Christina. I mean, we did sort of know this was coming, but Meta says there are now one billion people monthly who
use its A.I. chatbot. This is accessible across Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp, and also on a standalone Meta A.I. app.
And it now wants to use the conversations that people are having with that chatbot to target them with ads and also to make content recommendations
across its platforms. This is going to be -- users are going to start seeing notifications about this starting next week and it will go into
effect in December.
Now, I think it's important for people to understand why this is different from how Meta has operated before, because as you alluded to before the
break there, Meta is already remarkably good at targeting us with ads, predicting what we might want to be -- to be purchasing.
But the way they've done that in the past is to take signals like who we're connected to and what we're clicking on and viewing on its platforms and
use those to infer what people might want to buy.
Now, it will be taking what people directly tell its A.I. chatbot about the upcoming trip that they're planning or a problem that they're having that
could be solved with a product. And we know that people have really personal intimate conversations with these A.I. chatbots.
Now, Meta says there are certain topics that it won't use to target people with advertisements, things like religious views, sexual orientation,
political views, health, philosophical beliefs, racial or ethnic origin.
But this could potentially be much more valuable data to Meta in order to target people with advertisements. And this is already a massive
advertising business. I mean, Meta made $46 billion in advertising revenue last quarter alone, Christina.
MACFARLANE: And, Clare, is there anything users can do to stop -- stop this? Is there -- is there any opt out button?
DUFFY: Yes. I mean, users can go to their ad settings on Meta's platforms and opt out of topics that Meta has decided they might want to be targeted
with ads for. But then I think beyond that, you have to sort of be mindful about how you're engaging with the chatbot and what kinds of things you're
telling it.
MACFARLANE: All right. Well, we'll watch this space. Not particularly great update. So, Clare Duffy, appreciate it. Thank you.
We'll be right back after this.
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MACFARLANE: A group of young athletes from Afghanistan is celebrating victory before they even take to the pitch. FIFA is backing their bid to
compete as the first Afghan refugee women's football team.
CNN's World Sport Amanda Davies has their inspirational story.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Congratulations for the 23 players.
AMANDA DAVIES, CNN WORLD SPORT (voice-over): 7:00 A.M. on a Friday morning in the north west of England. A milestone moment after a sleepless night,
awake with nerves.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You should feel so proud.
DAVIES (voice-over): Suzanne (ph), Saven, (ph) Najma, Elaha, and Zainab, all named as part of the squad for the first FIFA-backed Afghan women's
refugee team. Said to be reunited with fellow Afghan players scattered in exile around the world to represent their country, at last.
ELAHA SAFDARI, AFGHAN FOOTBALL PLAYER: Obviously, just an amazing moment for all of us. I can't wait to share it with my family.
DAVIES: There must be a bit of sadness that they're not here to -- they're not there to celebrate with them.
SAFDARI: They're probably going to see me from T.V. But the thing is -- is how sad it is that I don't have them by my side to celebrate like other my
teammates who are -- who are going to share with their family.
DAVIES (voice-over): In 2021, Elaha was 17 and had earned her first call up for the Afghan women's national team as a goalkeeper. She never got to
play.
For her and her teammates, their role as footballers and what that meant in the eyes of the Taliban meant they were forced to flee their homes and
country.
Elaha's father was ill so her parents were unable to travel. She and her brother had to leave without them.
I feel very honored being your passenger after you just passed your test.
SAFDARI: Thanks.
DAVIES: Am I safe?
SAFDARI: You are. I feel like you -- you guys should trust in me.
DAVIES (voice-over): For everything they've lost, there are so many ways this group live in defiance of the rules the Taliban have imposed on women
in Afghanistan.
Learning to drive, gaining in education, securing jobs and playing football.
DAVIES: The only thing they've not been able to do is go from playing their football here in Doncaster to representing their country. Wearing the shirt
of Afghanistan on the international stage.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: FIFA has said that Afghanistan's women national team title should come from the Afghanistan's football federation, which we do
not accept. And it is running by Taliban now and we do not recognize Taliban.
ZAINAB MOZZAFARI, AFGHAN FOOTBALL PLAYER: We want the FIFA to recognize it as an international women Afghan. And we -- we are tired of calling -- get
called refugee. We've been called refugee for four years now. And every time on the page they keep telling us refugee.
DAVIES (voice-over): Because the Taliban believe women playing sport is against Sharia law and have refused to acknowledge the women's team, their
ability to play internationally has depended on the intervention of world football's governing body, FIFA.
It has taken until now for them to create the Afghan women's refugee team, set to take part in a four-team tournament in Dubai in October.
None of this would have been possible without Khalida Popal, the first ever captain of the original Afghan women's side founded in 2007.
KHALIDA POPAL, FORMER AFGHAN FOOTBALL CAPTAIN: We have been screaming out loud. We have been knocking every closed door to listen, to get FIFA's
attention to listen to our voices.
Our dreams shouldn't be different, a dream of a girl living in the U.S. and having a dream to play football. And we have really faced silence for four
years. These girls lost their time.
DAVIES (voice-over): Silence is not something this group will accept lying down. For all the progress, the fight for the return of the officially
named Afghanistan women's national team goes on.
FIFA did not respond to our questions about the desire of some of the players to be referred to as the national team. It did, however, stress in
a statement that it's financing facilities and personnel in what it called a significant and landmark step forward in giving Afghan players the
international platform and recognition to which they aspire.
For Narges, one of those not selected for the final competition, she hasn't only lost her time and chance to represent her country.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello, guys.
DAVIES: Hi.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.
DAVIES (voice-over): Her dad lost his business. His parents lost their child, separated by life in exile.
NARGES MAYELI, AFGHAN FOOTBALL PLAYER: My dad never has been away from his family. In four years, I've taken him away from his family and I feel
really bad about it. I feel -- I kind of feel guilty.
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DAVIES: Is there any bit of you that wishes you hadn't played football?
MAYELI: No. Absolutely not. I feel like that is the most precious thing that I -- I have ever done in my life.
DAVIES: Did you manage to bring anything with you from home?
DAVIES (voice-over): This is a fight that goes far beyond football and one they won't be giving up until an official Afghanistan women's national team
returns to the world stage.
Amanda Davies, CNN, Doncaster.
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MACFARLANE: Well, FIFA also told CNN that it has worked to improve the situation of Afghan women's football in the country and for players in
exile since their evacuation from Afghanistan in 2021.
And that does it for this edition of "One World." I'm Christina Macfarlane. It's been so great to have you with me for the last two hours. Stay tuned.
"Amanpour" is coming up after the break.
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