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Trump Blames Shutdown For Republican Losses; Update On Investigation Into Deadly UPS Crash; U.S. Democrats Send Message To Trump With Election Sweep; Supreme Court Hears Arguments On Legality Of Trump Tariffs; Zohran Mamdani's Wife Stays In The Background By Design; The New Science Of Controlling Lucid Dreams. Aired 12-1p ET
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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: It's been 36 days and the clock is ticking. The longest shutdown officially in American history grinds on. Second hour
of "One World" starts right now.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: As you know, we are in the midst of a disastrous Democrat-created government shutdown and it is
Democrat-created. I think they're Kamikaze pilots.
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GOLODRYGA: The blame game continues as the U.S. government shutdown officially becomes the longest in history.
Also ahead, soon her husband will be the first Muslim mayor of New York City, but he's not the only one making history. How Rama Duwaji is forging
her own path.
And later.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was like driving and then I was like, OK, drive up this wall and drive down this wall and drive over here this mountain.
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GOLODRYGA: Is it possible to control your dreams? One CNN producer tried it and says it actually works. How to dream it and achieve it, later this
hour.
I'm Bianna Golodryga. Zain is on assignment. You are watching the second hour of "One World."
The U.S. Supreme Court is hearing arguments in a landmark case right now that may not only present the first major test of Donald Trump's
presidential power, but could also have profound consequences for the global economy.
At issue, whether Trump's sweeping emergency tariffs, a major cornerstone of his economic policy are legal, or whether they represent executive
overreach.
After the arguments began, Trump's former personal attorney who is now representing his administration seemed to undercut the president's own
rationale for the levies when he described them as regulatory and not revenue raising.
The high court meantime will not be issuing a ruling from the bench today. The Supreme Court is just one of the few government agencies still
operating at full capacity meantime. The government shutdown is now 36 days old making it the longest on record.
Democratic leaders in Congress are demanding a meeting with Donald Trump to talk about ways to bring the shutdown to an end. He has not spoken to them
since September.
The president met with Republican senators this morning and told them that the shutdown is one of the reasons Republicans struggled in Tuesday's
elections across the country. He urged them to get the government back up and running by doing away with the filibuster. That would remove the
Democrats' ability to block Republican legislation in the Senate.
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TRUMP: It's time for Republicans to do what they have to do and that's terminate the filibuster. It's the only way you can do it. And if you don't
terminate the filibuster, you'll be in bad shape. We won't pass any legislation. There'll be no legislation passed for three and a quarter. We
have three and a quarter years, so it's a long time.
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GOLODRYGA: Meantime, one of the most significant wins for Democrats on Tuesday was in New York. Progressive Zohran Mamdani won the mayor's race
after campaigning on affordability and economic equality.
Mamdani rallied young voters to his cause and is promising big changes in America's biggest city.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's bigger than New York and it's bigger than Mamdani and it's bigger than one man. I think it's about the thousands of
volunteers who went door to door and the young people and the brown people and the Muslims and the people who no one has ever knocked on their door or
talked to them or spoken in their language to them about politics.
And I think it means like it shows us politics is not about the people in the suits, but it's about people in the streets.
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GOLODRYGA: But it wasn't just New York. Democrats scored victories all over the map on Tuesday, taking key governor races in New Jersey and Virginia
and getting a big win in California as well where they approved changes to the congressional map, making it easier for Democrats to retake control of
Congress in 2026.
Let's take a deep dive into the elections and the shutdown. CNN senior reporter Matt Egan is going to tell us why this shutdown could be the most
damaging in history.
But we start with CNN's senior White House reporter Kevin Liptak. He joins us from Miami where President Trump is due to speak to business leaders in
the next hour.
And notable, Kevin, while the expected outcome of last night's elections was a win for Democrats, the president who was watching this very closely,
as he's now overseen his second longest shutdown, is blaming Republicans for not doing away with the filibuster.
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In terms of that shutdown, what other insights does he have from last night's election? Does he view it as a repudiation for his own first year
in office?
KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: He does not. And he's pointing to two reasons why he thinks Democrats prevailed last evening. One
is that his name wasn't on the ballot. He seems to be suggesting that Republicans can only be successful if he himself is up for election.
Of course, he will never be up for election again. So how that portends the future of the Republican Party remains to be seen. And he is also pointing
to how Republicans have handled the shutdown, which is interesting.
Up until now, the president seemed pretty convinced that Democrats would bear the blunt of the blame for this lapse in government funding for a halt
in government services. But he really seems to have changed his tune on a dime.
And it was so interesting watching him in that breakfast meeting with Republican senators. You know, this was put on the schedule, obviously,
before the results were known last evening. But it was quite a sullen occasion there in the state dining room.
You know, today is the one year anniversary of President Trump's victory last year. But you can't really imagine a more different mood for the
president and Republicans as they were sitting in there.
And the president essentially castigating them for not being more forceful in doing away with Senate President and eliminating the filibuster.
You know, the president said that they will not be able to ever pass any significant legislation if they don't get rid of that 60-vote threshold.
And it was pretty striking. You could almost hear a pin drop in the room, which I think illustrates the reality that many Republicans, most
Republicans, in fact, think that this is just a terrible idea, that this could come back to haunt them if Democrats are to regain the majority in
the chamber.
Now, the president spoke at some length. He said that they would have a discussion once the press left the room. But it was pretty notable when the
Senate Majority Leader John Thune was returning to Capitol Hill. He was unmoved. He says that there are not votes to reverse the filibuster. He
said essentially that the president's cajoling was not really having any effect. And so how this shutdown ends remains to be seen.
The other big reason why the president's urging to get rid of the filibuster is so notable is that there do appear actually to be some nation
conversations between Republicans and Democrats and how to bring this shutdown to an end.
What we've heard from Capitol Hill is that there may be as many as a dozen Democrats who are ready to vote on a clean extension of funding if
President Trump and Republicans agreed to have discussions on those healthcare programs that have been at the center of their arguments.
And so if the president's goal here is to get the government open, calling for an end to the filibuster may have the effect of upending those
discussions.
And one last thing that I thought was notable in the president's remarks today. He made no mention of Zohran Mamdani, the victor in the New York
mayoral race. That's notable because he has wasted no moment in the past week or so in mentioning Mamdani's, called him a radical communist.
And so the fact that he wasn't even on his mind this morning, I think, just gives you the sense that the president's mindset right now is on how
Republicans can do better going forward, Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: So I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be the last time we hear the president now talk about the mayor-elect of New York City.
All right. Kevin Liptak, thank you so much.
We want to take you now to Louisville, Kentucky where we are getting an update on that deadly UPS cargo plane crash.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have another runway open, but we are operational. TSA screening passengers in the tower is clearing aircraft. And so we are
moving along in that fashion.
The last part I'd like to say is the NTSB has arrived. They're on the scene. I expect you will hear from them later today. We don't have an exact
time, but they -- they're out on the airfield and I believe they will be in sometimes afternoon and you'll hear more information on that.
That's -- that's all I for right now, Mayor.
CRAIG GREENBERG, LOUISVILLE MAYOR: Thanks, Dan. Good afternoon, everyone. First, I want to speak directly to the families who are still waiting for
information about their loved ones.
I know there are simply no words that can undo what happened that can provide true comfort at this moment with lack of information and pain that
you're feeling. But please know that everyone in Louisville, myself, all levels of government across the state, the federal level, we're all here
for you.
You're here to support you, to provide you with the resources that you need. People are working right now to get you the information you're
seeking as quick as we possibly can and we will continue to stay with you. This is not something that will go away overnight. We know that your pain
will continue for days, months, years ahead. And so we are here to support each and every one of you.
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I was there last night at the Family Reunification Center to seek, try to provide some comfort to people, families who are looking for information.
And we will -- we're continuing to work every day.
Also to the rest of our city, no one should have to deal with tragedy alone. Whether you're the family member of someone who is still missing or
been notified as a victim of this crash, whether you're part of the UPS family, whether you know people who are part of the UPS family. Everyone in
our city, I know, has been hurt by this tragedy.
And so we have resources available directly for the victims and for others throughout the city to help. And that's where I wanted to start today.
First, if you're still looking for information about a loved one, please go to 2911 Taylor Boulevard. That's the LMPD training facility. That is where
we have members of the LMPD victims unit where the Red Cross, seven counties and other resources are available for families of individuals who
may have been victims of the crash.
Beyond just the families, again, know this is an incredibly difficult time and trauma impacts everybody differently. There are resources available
throughout the entire city to provide help to individuals who are struggling to process this tragedy.
If you feel like you have an emergency, a mental health emergency please dial 988. 988 is a national number that can get you a mental health
professional and some assistance to deal with your grieving, with your pain, with whatever you are dealing with.
If you have a non-emergency but you would like to still speak with a mental health counselor, please reach out to our office of violence prevention
that has trained mental health professionals waiting to assist you.
That phone number is 574-6949. Additional beyond those resources JCPS is out today. We know that there are families across our city that are
struggling with hunger, with lack of food right now as a result of SNAP benefits being cut off, other issues in this challenging time.
If you are in need of food today, if your kids are in need of food today because they are not in school, please reach out to Dare to Care at 966-
3821. 966-3821.
And also, as the governor just announced, we -- we're not going to go over everything that the governor just provided in his briefing that he just
made from Frankfurt. He is now headed towards Louisville to join Congressman McGarvey and me here shortly.
We will not repeat everything, but I do want folks to know that we are working with Governor Beshear and his team on the relief fund for families,
of victims of this. We've had an outpouring of support already from local companies, local foundations, and individuals to ask what they can do to
help and so we're going to all partner on this together to support them. That's the Team Kentucky, teamkyemergencyrelieffund.ky.gov. There's going
to be more information put online about that if you're interested in supporting the families of the victims.
A few other items on public safety, as we mentioned this morning, the shelter in place radius has been reduced to a quarter mile. And we will
continue to reduce that as soon as we're confident that it is safe, can continue to try to shrink that throughout the day.
Air monitoring continues to go on around the crash site and around the city. And all residential water service is safe to drink. Everyone's water
is safe to drink, unless you've been specifically reached out to by the Louisville water company giving you an advisory. You should feel
comfortable that your water is safe to drink.
LG&E is getting power back on to those non-affected areas outside of the crash site. Right now, last I heard, there were 135 customers still without
power.
Also, I want to talk about drones for a minute. Right now, there's a temporary flight restriction that's been put in place by the FAA
surrounding the crash site. There's no reason for any drones from private individuals or other organizations to be flying right now. They could get
in the way of our recovery operations.
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If you are flying a drone within this TFR area, we will find your drone and you run the risk of prosecution of heavy federal fines. Please do not be
that person that is getting in the way of our recovery efforts. Give our first responders, give the NTSB, give everyone the opportunity to deal with
that site. And please don't use drones right now in that restricted airspace.
Congressman McGarvey and I have been in touch since the first moments after this happened. I also want to thank Robbin Taylor from Senator McConnell's
office here. We've been in touch with Senator Paul's office, with Congressman Guthrie's office.
In times like this, everybody puts partisan politics aside here in Kentucky. And we're all working closely together.
Governor Bashir and his administration, my -- and my administration, and all of our federal delegation working together to bring whatever resources
each of we can in partnership to get answers, to provide relief and resources, and to ensure that our city is safe and coming together to
support those who are in need.
Congressman McGarvey and I also just left a meeting with the NTSB. And I'm going to now turn it over to Congressman McGarvey to say a few words about
that meeting. And share a few things about next steps. Congressman McGarvey.
REP. MORGAN MCGARVEY (D-KY): Thank you, Mayor Greenberg. I really appreciate your leadership at this time and everything you're doing in both
mobilizing people, mobilizing emergency crews, making sure people have what they need, but also for your compassion, your emotional leadership at this
time.
Reality is this rocked our community. Louisville looked apocalyptic last night. The images of smoke coming over our city of debris falling in every
neighborhood. People trapped in their homes.
For the families who lost someone who won't be coming home, this is awful. This is not something you think happens here. And when it does, it impacts
every single one of us. I'm a lifelong Louisvillian.
To answer the question, I went to Manual High School. Everybody here knows everybody. We're the biggest small city in America. And if you don't know
someone directly impacted by this, you know someone who does.
But this is when we're also at our best is when things are worst and we come together. And I can tell you, we're all working together. The mayor's
office, the governor's office, Senator McConnell's office, Senator Paul's office, Congressman Guthrie's office, the entire delegation.
We are bringing the full resources of the federal government to bear on this tragedy, to make sure that we get answers as quickly as possible. But
also when I stress that -- that those answers are correct. And it can be frustrating. We all want to know what happened right now. We've seen some
of the images online and there's a lot of internet sleuths.
The NTSB is here. They have a full team. What does that look like? Twenty eight people from the NTSB are here on the ground. Plus, the support
network back in Washington, D.C. They are going to analyze absolutely every bit of what happened.
We're talking about everything that is man-made, that is machine-made, that is environmental. The NTSB is going to go over with a fine-tooth comb. They
are partnering with the Red Cross. They are not only investigating the crash, they are providing direct assistance and communication with victims'
families.
We are thrilled that they are here. It's going to take a little while, but we will work with them, with everybody involved, to make sure that we know
what happens in this -- in this instance.
There's so many stories of loss. There are also so many stories of bravery. I said, last night Louisville looked apocalyptic. Awful.
And a plane. We know it was a plane. We know it was taking off to Hawaii. We know how much fuel was on board.
And when it crashed and that fuel spread everywhere, I had someone tell me, it looked like it was raining oil in Louisville. But the Okolona Fire
Department, it's their jurisdiction, and Chief Little, you and your firefighters did not hesitate. You put your gear on, you got in those
trucks and you raced head first into a truly apocalyptic scene, without regard to your own safety or well-being, to do what you do best, to protect
our community.
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Every single one of your firefighters was out last night with the hundreds of others from not just across our county, but across our state. We are
extremely grateful for your bravery. We are extremely grateful for your training.
It was just two weeks ago that we were training for something unfortunately like this. We're grateful for what you do. We're grateful for how you do
it. And I want to invite Chief Little from Okolona to come up and say a few words.
GOLODRYGA: All right. You've been listening to local officials there in Louisville, Kentucky, beginning with Mayor Craig Greenberg speaking on and
briefing reporters and residents on the tragedy that unfolded yesterday at about 5:14 P.M. when a UPS flight took off at Louisville International
Airport just moments later after climbing 175 feet descended and burst into flames as it was en route to Hawaii.
Nine people are known to be dead right now. You see those scenes that -- that official, a local congressman described as apocalyptic yesterday.
They're still search and recovery in terms of more potential victims and those that have been injured.
Loved ones still have so many questions and authorities are currently investigating this tragedy.
Let's bring in CNN aviation analyst Mary Schiavo. Mary, we know the NTSB is now looking into this as well. The airport has reopened at least one runway
this morning. Tell us more about your initial thoughts following this tragedy.
Again, NTSB is currently investigating. I know you don't have all the information that they do, but from what you've gathered thus far. What are
your thoughts as to what could have led to this?
MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, you know, looking at crashes and accidents and terrible tragedies like this now with so much video being
available, I mean, the NTSB and the public obviously has a lot of clues very early on.
You know, I would work on crashes and accidents investigations, you know, 20, 30 years ago, that kind of video literally covering everything almost
all the time was not available.
So the NTSB will obviously already have that. And there are some very important clues there. The video of the takeoff showing that there was
already fire on the left wing. And then the photographs, after the smoke and fire cleared, showing that the engine had separated from the aircraft
before the final impact and explosion are two huge clues.
There's also chatter on the Internet that this plane had gone in for a major check or overhaul. They're called C checks or D checks and D checks.
I mean, you literally, you know, practically take the plane apart. The engines might have been off of the plane for a D check.
And so the NTSB is going to be particularly interested in the maintenance records and the overhaul records in the parts provisioning. What new parts
went on these engines, went on this plane at the last maintenance check.
There's a big issue on parts integrity, not saying UPS did anything wrong. They would be a victim if they -- if there was a problem with the parts.
And so they're going to be focused on that. And, of course, once they get to the scene after any possible rescue recovery of -- of remains or are,
you know, other, you know, people who are still trapped somewhere, that'll be the first priority. They won't be, you know, taking things apart until
it's clear and everyone who was in there is cleared out.
And then they'll look for the black boxes. That will be a big issue because, you know, they're supposed to be able to survive this kind of a
fire, but they don't always in the crash of the four planes on September 11, 2001 most of the black boxes did not survive the fire. So that will be
a big help.
And along with both the cockpit voice recorder as the pilots would have made comments. And then, of course, the flight data recorder showing the
performance of the engines and what happened.
And I -- I have to say, you know, about 75 percent of the NTSB investigations, they blame the pilots and they blame the federal aviation
administration with about the same rapidity frequency rather. I don't think here there was anything that those pilots could have done. So my -- my
prayers and thoughts go out to their families and to them.
But they -- there was just no way. Once you lose that engine, it also could have taken out your some hydraulics as the parts spew out of the engine.
You know, I -- I would even doubt that they had the ability to steer the plane at that point. It's just heartbreaking, but that's what I think.
GOLODRYGA: It is indeed heartbreaking. We know there are three crew members on board and the plane ended up crashing into a number of local businesses
there on the ground.
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It was a McDonnell Douglas MD-11. One of the reasons for that fiery scene that you see right there so aptly described as apocalyptic is because there
were that plane was carrying some 38,000 gallons of fuel. As we noted, it had a long flight ahead of it to Hawaii and thus sadly leading to an even
larger death toll, unfortunately. And we will continue covering this tragic story in Kentucky for our viewers.
In the meantime, Mary Schiavo, thank you so much. We'll be right back with more.
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ZOHRAN MAMDANI, MAYOR-ELECT OF NEW YORK CITY: If anyone can show a nation betrayed by Donald Trump, how to defeat him, it is the city that gave rise
to him.
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GOLODRYGA: Democrats delivering a strong rebuke of President Trump in the first major electoral test of his second term. As we mentioned at the top
of the hour, Democrats swept the Virginia and New Jersey Governor's races, as well as New York City's mayoral race and California's congressional
redistricting plan.
CNN's exit polling suggests that more than half of the electorate see their vote as a message to President Trump with a large majority disapproving of
his performance.
I'm joined now by former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson from Little Rock. Governor, thank you so much for being patient as we took that news
conference following that tragic plane crash in Kentucky. But appreciate you sticking around for this really important conversation about the future
of your party here and what last night's election means for Republicans.
Ron Brownstein and many others have called last night an unmistakable warning for Republicans. In your view, was this a real red flag moment? Or
are you looking this as sort of a case-by-case one-off in predominantly democratic states and cities?
ASA HUTCHINSON, FORMER ARKANSAS GOVERNOR: Well, it was a significant victory night for Democrats. There's no question about that, both the fact
that they won the key races, but also the margin of victory was greater than what was anticipated.
And I think there's a couple reasons for it. I mean, first of all, clearly the shutdown, they're holding Republicans and President Trump more
responsible for that so they were expressing that issue. They're not happy with the economy. And so it was a big night for the Democrats.
I think whenever you look at the future, though, this is the ebb and flow of democracy. And what happens in New Jersey and Virginia, typically blue
states, and in California, does not necessarily portend what's going to happen next year in the true midterm election, but it's a warning sound,
one, the Republicans got to figure out how to get to vote out when Donald Trump is not on the ticket.
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And secondly, there's going to be a wind blowing against Donald Trump's leadership in many areas. You've got to have candidates that can manage
through that if they're going to count on victory and hold the House and the Senate next year.
GOLODRYGA: Get to Mamdani in just a second. But let me ask you about what we saw in Virginia, a purple state and in New Jersey where there had been a
lot of concern even among Democrats as to whether Mikie Sherrill could pull this off.
The polling showed that it was quite a tight race. That's not ultimately what we saw last night with her win. Both of these GOP candidates in these
two states had tied themselves closely with President Trump.
What does that say about his hold and ability to win elections for those candidates that align themselves with him? We know what he said. He said,
well, I wasn't on the ballot, so it doesn't necessarily matter. And this government shutdown proves that we should do away with the filibuster. What
do you say?
HUTCHINSON: Well, first of all, the victory of the -- of the New Jersey candidate was 13 points. Mikie Sherrill over Ciattarelli. And so that was a
surprise margin. And she did make it very clear that she was going to stand against Donald Trump.
So these candidates actually made Trump an issue in their own campaign. That very well could be a model for future democratic candidates saying,
this is what you've got to do to win.
I know that you want to talk about, you know, the filibuster, for example. President Trump is looking dearly at the short term of his three years,
plus an office and how he can get an agenda passed. And with a filibuster in place, he knows it's going to be tough.
The Senate is looking at it more long-term because eventually, the Democrats will be in charge. That's the ebb and flow of democracy. And they
can use the lack of a filibuster against Republicans to get, as someone pointed out, Puerto Rico estate, D.C. estate, they can accomplish an agenda
much easier.
So I don't see the Republicans in the Senate budging on that issue. And I think that is going to be a shutdown that we have to get behind us beyond
simply by saying we're going to do away with the filibuster.
GOLODRYGA: Do you think last night's results will push either side to move closer to ending this government shutdown now?
HUTCHINSON: I absolutely do. I expect to be in hopefully by the end of this week, the Democrats can say, hey, we won. We made our point.
The Republicans obviously have been paying a price for it. They need to come together and get this result. I don't think it's that hard to do. And
I think they will be able to resolve it. They absolutely need to do it. It's hurting both parties, but obviously hurting the Republicans more.
GOLODRYGA: Quickly, I have to ask you about Zohran Mamdani because we've known for years that Republicans have viewed socialism as a toxic word and
one that they were gladly, would gladly run against in terms of elections going forward. How worried are -- are Republicans after what we saw last
night?
HUTCHINSON: Well, the Democrats are the ones that should be worried about Mamdani winning in New York City. He's an avowed socialist Democrat.
But then in his victory speech last night, which I listened to, he sided that Eugene Debs, who was the founder of the socialist party in America.
That is an incredible shot across the bow. He took on Trump last night. And president trying to unite. He really further drove a division.
And so Trump is going to respond. This is going to be a showcase. He wants to be representing democratic leadership. The other Democrats need to move
away from that if they want to win the midterm.
Republicans that -- if there's any silver lining, it would be the fact that they've got somebody to run against who looks to be the face of the
Democratic Party for the future.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. Far left in New York City here, but we've got more moderates that won last night by double digits as well.
Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson, thank you so much.
HUTCHINSON: Thank you. Great to be with you.
GOLODRYGA: You too.
Well, not too long ago, our Christiane Amanpour sat down with Britain's Prince William in Rio de Janeiro to discuss his ambitious environmental
project, The Earthshot Prize. They spoke about some of the climate innovators nominated for awards this year and why they give him hope,
including for his own children. Take a look.
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PRINCE WILLIAM, PRINCE OF WALES: It's really important, again, it's -- you -- you have to provide a leadership and a -- and a vision that there's -
there's good things to come and that's -- it's not all negative.
And for my children, particularly, knowing that the -- the planet's going to be in a healthy, a better state because of the brilliant people in this
room is -- is something that I love to tell them, you know, when they go to bed. It's like -- it's -- it's going to be -- it's going to be great. Your
future is going to be as bright as the future's gone by.
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GOLODRYGA: You can watch Christiane's full interview with Prince William in the next hour right here on CNN.
We'll be right back.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Let's check on how the U.S. markets are doing right now. You see green arrows up for the Dow, S&P 500, and NASDAQ, as we are
waiting for the critical decision that could come not today, but sometime soon for the Supreme Court on the future of President Trump's tariff
policies.
This is your "Business Breakout."
Well, as -- as noted in the most significant economic case to reach the U.S. Supreme Court in years, the justices are currently weighing whether
President Donald Trump acted lawfully when he imposed sweeping emergency tariffs against most trading partners.
Lower courts have said that Trump exceeded his authority. Trump ruled -- warns that a ruling against him could have catastrophic consequences for
the nation's economic health.
In Paris, shoppers queued up for the opening of Shein's first ever brick- and-mortar store despite growing controversy. The Chinese-founded e- commerce giant is setting up shop in one of the French capital's most famous department stores. It has fueled outrage over Shein's reputation for
so-called disposable fashion in its past sale of childlike sex dolls. Shein says that it has now banned the sale of those sex dolls.
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Well, McDonald's sales beat expectations in the third quarter. It came as the fast food chain continues to push to offer more affordable meals. The
company reported global same store sales growth of 3.6 percent, suggesting that customers are spending more per visit.
And let's get back to our top story. Arguments in a landmark tariffs case happening right now at the U.S. Supreme Court. Joining me for more on the
global implications of this is CNN global economic analyst, Rana Foroohar. Rana, it is good to see you.
And just given the oral arguments that -- that we've heard, there seems to be some skepticism early on from some of the justices. Just talk to us
really though what's at stake in this case for American businesses, consumers, and really companies worldwide.
RANA FOROOHAR, CNN GLOBAL ECONOMIC ANALYST: Yes. It's great to be with you, Bianna. There's a lot at stake here. You know, Donald Trump has done
something that no president really since 1930s has done, you know, increasing tariffs in the way that he has.
The court is now going to decide whether the way in which Trump has proceeded to institute these tariffs and using emergency powers across the
board globally, not sector specific, really, you know, slapping them on at will, whether that is in fact legal.
Now, it's important to note that I don't think this is going to mean that you won't see tariffs in the future, because there are actually a lot of
powers that the president already has to implement those tariffs no matter what the Supreme Court says.
There are things like 301 provisions, 232 provisions. These are technical ways of talking about powers that are perfectly legal that the president
can use as he has done in areas like steel or shipbuilding to bring penalties against countries like China or others.
So this is really about, is this way that Trump is using tariffs legal and can he continue?
Now, I will say one thing that's quite surprising is that the markets are a little bit anxious at the idea that this emergency power scenario might be
overturned, because, you know, they've already gotten used to the idea that we're in a new world, the president can put on tariffs as he likes.
If that paradigm is now shifted, that creates strangely more uncertainty for markets. You might actually see a dip at some point if the emergency
powers are -- are considered illegal.
GOLODRYGA: So what does that mean? Because, you know, the -- the administration is saying that this is not feasible if they reverse the
tariffs that are already in place because of the revenue that's already come in. What is it, the treasury that's going to have to pay them back?
I mean, is that a feasible scenario? And is that something that the Supreme Court would ultimately consider when they decide their case here?
FOROOHAR: So I don't think that that is going to have an effect on the Supreme Court ruling. They really have to look at the language
legislatively and see, is this legal or not? They're not going to be looking at whether it's raising revenue for the treasury, whether markets
like this or not.
But you're bringing up an interesting point. A lot of critics thought that when the tariffs were first implemented, they were going to be
unequivocally bad.
In fact, they are raising a fair bit of revenue. And because the U.S. has a debt and deficit problem, markets again like this idea. They like 15
percent. You know, would they like more? I doubt it.
But I -- I think that regardless, you would be able to see tariffs implemented, even if the Supreme Court overturns what Trump has done, it
would just take longer. And then that goes to this question of the U.S. debt and deficit picture and how sustainable that is. So, you know, the
administration is clearly hoping that they can continue business as usual.
GOLODRYGA: OK. And I guess it's defining what an actual emergency, a national emergency is --
FOROOHAR: Right.
GOLODRYGA: -- right? Because that is what the administration is arguing. The trade deficits are an emergency. You've got many economists and experts
suggesting otherwise. And that's another argument that the Supreme Court is looking into right now.
All right. A lot at stake here, Rana Foroohar, thank you so much for breaking it down. Appreciate it.
FOROOHAR: Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: Well, she's been in the background of this year's most watched campaign, but now, Rama Duwaji will be the first lady of New York City.
What we know about Zohran Mamdani's wife? Up next.
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GOLODRYGA: The widow of Charlie Kirk has given her first television interview since her husband's assassination. Erika Kirk was thrust unto the
spotlight after her husband was murdered in September. She reflected on her loss, her faith, and life since her husband's death.
In an emotional interview with Fox News' Jesse Watters, she recalled what it was like seeing her husband lying in the hospital.
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ERIKA KIRK, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, TURNING POINT USA: When we walked into that room, he had this smirk on his face. That smirk -- that smirk to me is
that look of, you thought you could stop what I built? You thought that you could end this vision, this movement, this revival? You thought you could
do that by murdering me?
You got my body. You didn't get my soul.
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GOLODRYGA: Charlie Kirk was a conservative political activist who co- founded Turning Point USA, credited with helping Donald Trump reach out to young voters in the 2024 election.
Well, you may not know the name Rama Duwaji, but that's sure to change. The 28-year-old artist is the wife of New York mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani. And
she'll be the first member of Gen Z to serve as First Lady of America's largest city. The two married earlier this year, but she has taken a
relatively quiet role in his campaign.
Let's bring in Gloria Pazmino who's been following the campaign since the beginning and joins us now from New York City.
It is interesting, Gloria, as progressive as Zohran and his campaign have been, that we have not seen more of his wife on the campaign trail with
him. Tell us more about her and whether or not you were able to get some time with her and get to know her while you've been covering him.
GLORIA PAZMINO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Bianna. You know, I have to say, the fact that we have not seen much of her is very much by design. That is
a -- a purposeful decision by the campaign, and frankly, by Rama Duwaji herself, who was a thrust into the public eye shortly after marrying Zohran
Mamdani and after his successful win for mayor.
First, I just want to point out that I'm standing here in Queens because just a few minutes ago, we heard from Zohran Mamdani for the first time
since he won the election on Tuesday night, and he was here to announce his official transition team.
But going back to this question of the -- the first lady of New York City, Rama Duwaji, as you said, a member of Gen Z, 28 years old, a young woman
who is an artist. She is of Syrian descent. She was born in Texas, grew up there, went to school here in New York.
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And she is a visual artist. She is not involved in politics, has not been in the public eye, but we have learned a little bit about her in the last
few months through her art. She focuses on Middle Eastern women in her art. She is very outspoken about the Palestinian conflict. She makes art about
it.
And so it's interesting for me to watch that expression of her views, which are obviously very much in line with her husband's positions on this issue.
We know that Mamdani has been a fierce critic of the Israeli government and he has spoken about the plight of the Palestinian people during this
campaign.
In fact, the -- the issue of Israel and Gaza was a flashpoint during this election because New York City is home to a large Jewish and a large Arab
population.
But Zohran Mamdani, making history last night. She joined him on stage. That was one of the first times, honestly, that we have seen her join him
on the trail. She also joined him at the polling site on Tuesday morning when they both cast their votes.
And I imagine that we might start to see a little bit more of her in the next few months as he prepares to take office and be sworn in on January
1st.
GOLODRYGA: All right, Gloria Pazmino, thank you.
And before we go, we want to pause and take you into the world of dreams. Many people may have had lucid dreams. That is a state where sleepers are
aware they're in a dream and can potentially control a narrative.
Well, CNN producer Maya Blackstone underwent an intensive 19-day course to learn more. Here's her experience.
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MAYA BLACKSTONE, CNN PRODUCER: What if you could control your dreams? Imagine going to sleep tonight and deciding to soar over the pyramids like
a bird. Earlier this year, that's exactly what I tried to do through lucid dreaming.
DANIEL LOVE, LUCID DREAMING COACH: Lucid dreaming is quite straightforward, really. It's a dream when you know that you're dreaming.
BLACKSTONE: I took a 19-day intensive course with this expert to learn how to trigger a lucid dream.
BLACKSTONE (voice-over): My mom died when I was a teenager after a long battle with ovarian cancer. Now that I've gotten older, it's hard to even
remember what her voice sounds like.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Go on, honey. Know your stuff.
BLACKSTONE (voice-over): When I heard about lucid dreaming, my first thought was, could I see my mom again?
BLACKSTONE: So today is the first day I'm trying your lucid dreaming course. What advice do you have for me?
LOVE: We're so used to being awake that we just assume all the time, of course, I'm awake. Is this a dream? That question needs to become a major
part of your thinking. Without that, there will be no lucid dreams.
BLACKSTONE: Dreams feel real while we're dreaming. So the idea is to constantly question my reality, to ask myself, am I dreaming?
So when I ask myself this wall dreaming, I'll realize I'm actually asleep. Then I'll be able to consciously interact with and perhaps control my dream
world.
LOVE: If you want a dream of a -- a dead loved one, that is possible. If we can get you lucid, then we will start to nudge you in that direction so you
can have that experience.
BLACKSTONE: I watched daily tutorials and kept a dream journal. And each morning, I would do to fully record video diaries of my dreams the moment I
woke up.
Five. Day 11.
Go easy on me. I didn't have time to do makeup before recording these.
Last night, I had a dream.
BLACKSTONE (voice-over): It was surprisingly a lot of work. And I noticed a pattern.
BLACKSTONE: A lot of my dreams, they happen in elevators.
LOVE: But you can take that information. And so if I see an elevator, if I'm in an elevator, I will remember to question if I'm dreaming.
KEN PALLER, DIRECTOR OF THE COGNITIVE NEUROSCIENCE PROGRAM, NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY: It's undoubtedly possible to learn how to lucid dream. That
doesn't mean it's easy.
BLACKSTONE (voice-over): That's Professor Ken Paller, director of the Cognitive Neuroscience Program at Northwestern University.
PALLER: In our lab, we have a way to verify lucid dreams. We assign someone the task of making a signal when they're having a lucid dream. And given
the paralysis of sleep, you're not able to move your body very much, but there are some exceptions.
So the eye movement has been the one that's been around since the 1970s.
BLACKSTONE: What do you think are some of the therapeutic benefits of lucid dreaming?
PALLER: One of the benefits that we've looked at is a counter practice for nightmares. They could decide to wake up if they're lucid, and they can
say, I -- I realize this is a dream.
Other people want to use their lucid dreams for spiritual development, perhaps unlocks your creativity. There are others that may want to practice
certain skills, a musical skill, something you're already really good at, perhaps like in slow motion or analyzing in a different way. We're in an
early stage of the science.
BLACKSTONE: About two weeks into the course, I wasn't getting the results I thought I would, so I checked in more.
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How lucky am I that I literally get to film a video while I'm in bed?
Question my reality more, especially in elevators.
We even tried more drastic measures.
It's 4:30 in the morning.
He called me in the middle of the night to interrupt my sleep mid-cycle to help prompt a lucid dream.
LOVE: We're waking you up for a very brief amount of time just to give you a little bit of mental clarity.
BLACKSTONE (voice-over): It was a real breakthrough.
BLACKSTONE: OK. So I just woke up.
I recognized I was dreaming. I was lucid.
I was like driving. And then I was like, OK, drive up this wall. And drive down this wall. And drive over here to this mountain.
It works. And I had an even more intense lucid dream a few days later.
Basically, I was in an elevator. I'm like, oh, I'm dreaming because this is what Daniel and I practiced. So I was like, my, like, press all the buttons
on the elevator.
Not very interesting. And then I think I got to -- got to one of the floors and then woke up.
Truthfully, this wasn't quite the lucid dreaming experience I expected. I was able to make decisions in my dream world, but I didn't have full
control. It was interesting and valuable, but I would have loved to say the doors opened and she was there.
LOVE: But you did that in a creation of a world that was in your own mind.
BLACKSTONE: That's true.
LOVE: I think -- think about that. So you -- you weren't in an elevator. You were in your own mind in this amazing, perfect representation of it.
You've just had the -- the smallest taste of the experience and you'll learn to control it. And that takes a little bit more time.
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GOLODRYGA: That is fascinating. Our thanks to Maya for that piece.
All right. That does it for this hour of "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga. Thanks so much for watching. "Amanpour" is up next.
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