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ZAIN ASHER, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Coming to you live from New York, I'm Zain Asher.
BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Bianna Golodryga. You're watching the second hour of "One World."
Donald Trump's longtime ally Hungarian Prime Minister, Viktor Orban, is set to arrive at the White House at any moment now.
ASHER: Yes. And a meeting is expected to get underway shortly after, but the focus of the discussion is likely to be about who is actually not in
the room. Orban, who has a very close relationship with Vladimir Putin is seeking exemptions from new U.S. sanctions on Russian oil.
It comes weeks after President Trump followed through on his month-long threat and imposed sanctions on Russian oil companies.
GOLODRYGA: If the president allows the Hungarian exemption, it would be viewed as a setback for Ukraine and European leaders who have been urging
Trump to increase pressure on the Kremlin.
Kristen Holmes joins us now live from the White House. And, Kristen, this is clearly a pressure point that the president is well aware of too. On the
one hand, he does have leverage, as we've discussed in the last hour, to perhaps hold these secondary sanctions over Viktor Orban and say that
perhaps they could be lifted if he alleviates some of his steadfast support for Putin versus support for his fellow European countries in giving more
aid to Ukraine.
What is the White House saying in terms of hopes and anticipations coming out of this meeting?
KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, look, we've heard from a number of White House officials who say they expect some kind
of deals to be coming out of this economic deals, potentially energy deals, but it's unclear what exactly that looks like. Those are just very vague
terms at this point.
As you noted, there are a couple of things and points that President Trump can hold over Orban when it comes to these oil sanctions, but it's unclear
which direction right now he's going to go in.
And just a, you know, one note here, President Trump often ends up acting, based on the last person who is in his ear, and we know that he's very
close to Viktor Orban. This is not just a regular leader visiting him.
President Trump has spoken highly of him. He has complimented him. He's called him a strong man in a complimentary way. He even had a relationship
with him when he was out of office. Orban came and visited him at Mar-a- Lago on multiple occasions, including once he was the president-elect.
So they have a relationship here. And whether or not President Trump can get over that to still continue to hold him accountable with these
sanctions, that's going to be what we're watching to see.
Now, one of the things I want to point out, which is quite fascinating, is how much Hungary relies on Russian crude oil, and how much that's escalated
since after the Ukraine war started. It used to be 61 percent. That's how much they depended on this Russian crude oil energy.
Now, after the Ukrainian war started, it is up to 86 percent. So this is going to be a huge financial hit for that country if these sanctions do, in
fact, go into place, which we do at this point, expect them to.
Now, one other point of all of this, there's going to be conversations about what's going on with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
And just a reminder, it was just a few weeks ago that President Trump announced that they were going to have another bilateral meeting in where
Budapest in Hungary. And the reason for that was because Orban is close to both of these men.
Since then, we've seen President Trump really up the ante on Russia for the first time, maybe in the entirety of his two terms, but certainly in this
term, with those sanctions, with canceling this meeting with Putin, saying that we're going to get anything out of it. So that's, of course, also
going to be front of mine and front and center in their conversation.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. How quickly things changed in Orban's luck. He was riding high just a few weeks ago when he had put together this anticipated summit
in Hungary between these two leaders. And now he has to worry about coming here and being on the receiving end of some steep sanctions.
Kristen Holmes, thank you so much.
HOLMES: Thank you.
ASHER: All right. The Kremlin is urging the U.S. to clarify its nuclear testing intentions, calling signals from Washington contradictory.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. Even as President Vladimir Putin floated the idea earlier this week of Russia preparing for possible nuclear weapons testing of its
own. All of it in response to President Trump's recent order to the U.S. military to restart its process for nuclear testing.
Fred Pleitgen reports from Washington -- from Moscow.
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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: President Vladimir Putin just ordered his ministers and top generals to prepare for
possible new Russian nuclear tests. Now that's potentially huge news. It's been decades since the Russians conducted a nuclear explosion. And they
are, of course, a nuclear superpower.
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So I got in touch with Putin's spokesman and he immediately sent me what he called an important clarification. Listen in.
DMITRY PESKOV, KREMLIN SPOKESMAN: But I want to draw your attention to one very important thing. So we are not starting preparations. We're just
investigating whether it is necessary to start preparations. We're still -- we're still bounded by our obligations on the overall ban of nuclear tests.
PLEITGEN: After U.S. President Donald Trump said that the U.S. would begin nuclear testing again, Vladimir Putin called a meeting of his National
Security Council and that's where he said this.
VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT: (SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
GRAPHIC: I am instructing the foreign ministry, the ministry of defense, and the special services, and the relevant civilian agencies, to do
everything necessary to collect additional information on this issue, analyze it within the framework of the Security Council. And make good
proposals on the possible star of work on the preparation for nuclear testing.
PLEITGEN: President Trump has accused both China and Russia secretly conducting nuclear tests. Now the Russians have indeed been modernizing
their nuclear forces. They've come up with things like a torpedo that can allegedly cause a radioactive tsunami and also recently launched a missile
that's actually powered by a nuclear engine and it has an indefinite range, the Russians say.
One of the things Russians haven't done though is actually exploded a nuclear bomb. And the Russians say that they do still feel bound by the
nuclear test ban treaty. But what they want is for the Americans, for the Trump administration to provide them with additional information as to what
the U.S. president actually meant when he said that the U.S. would begin nuclear testing again.
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GOLODRYGA: Well, the U.S. military conducted a new strike against an alleged drug trafficking boat in the Caribbean Thursday, killing three
people. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth claims that the military attacked a, quote, designated terrorist organization, but once again provided no proof.
The U.S. has killed 70 people and 17 strikes since the beginning of September, and what President Trump describes as his war on drugs.
ASHER: Yes. The Trump administration has also been massing troops and military assets in the Caribbean. It comes after Mr. Trump last month
confirmed he authorized the CIA to operate inside Venezuela to clamp down on the illegal flow of drugs and migrants.
Meanwhile on Thursday, the U.S. voted down a measure requiring congressional approval for any military action by President Trump against
Venezuela. That's despite all 47 Democrats voting in support of the resolution.
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SEN. TAMMY DUCKWORTH (D-IL): A man who was never brave enough to serve in uniform himself seems to care more about thumping his chest than keeping
our troops out of danger.
SEN. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D-MD): When it comes to Venezuela, stop making these threats and amassing military assets off the shore and claiming you somehow
have the authority to do that.
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): The Senate must act to uphold the constitution, uphold our national security and reaffirm the authority of Congress to have
its proper say on matters of war and peace.
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GOLODRYGA: Republicans who voted against the measure argued that the Trump administration has the authority to stem the illegal flow of drugs into the
U.S.
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SEN. JIM RISCH (D-ID): There is no doubt, none whatsoever, that every time we take a strike and we send tons of these poisonous drugs to the bottom of
the ocean, thousands of American lives have been saved.
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): Never in the history of the country the Supreme Court ruled that the Congress has the power to terminate hostilities simply
because they disagree with the president.
Because today that becomes the norm, then you've taken the power of the commander-in-chief away from the president and you conferred it upon us.
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ASHER: All right. China's latest and most capable aircraft carrier has officially entered service.
It's a significant step forward for Beijing as it seeks to catch up with the United States in naval supremacy. China's state broadcaster CCTV
reports President Xi Jinping attended the commissioning ceremony for the Fujian earlier this week.
GOLODRYGA: This as a new CNN analysis shows that China has undertaken a massive expansion of its sites linked to missile facilities. A stark
contrast to the U.S.'s supply struggles. CNN's senior investigative writer Tamara Qiblawi reports.
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TAMARA QIBLAWI, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIONS WRITER (voice-over): China appears to be expanding its military arsenal at a historic pace according
to the findings of a CMF investigation.
We identified and located 136 facilities linked to China's rocket force, which oversees both nuclear and conventional missiles. This is one of the
fastest growing areas of the country's two million strong armed forces.
We also analyzed satellite images to measure the scale of the expansion, details that have not previously been reported. These facilities are
research institutes, factories, bases, and testing sites.
Despite Beijing's repeated denials, military experts say that this is China ringing in a new arms race.
Across the country, more than half of these sites have expanded. Several of them replacing whole villages growing by tens of thousands of feet in just
five years. Others emerging out of farmland, like this one in northwest China, a testing site for hypersonic missiles, complete with 139,000 square
feet of brand-new facilities.
Take a look at this rocket factory on China's coast. We see a yard with missiles over 60 feet long. China's military covered the roofs of the
rocket warehouses with camouflage.
Freight trains transporting rockets run from one end of the site to the other to produce missiles that are larger and more sophisticated, China
needs a lot more floor space.
So that's what we measured. Since 2020, China added at least 21 million square feet to its rocket research and production floor space. That's about
the size of 375 football fields.
Historically, discrete about its military posture, recently China has been flaunting its capabilities.
In September, a show of force at China's military parade. Friend and foe watched closely. Among the weapons brandished by China, the DF-2060, an
upgraded version of a missile ominously dubbed, the Guam Killer.
The U.S. territory of Guam is home to Andersen Air Force Base, which serves as a launching point for America's long-range bombers.
Because of this missile's partially unpredictable flight path, it may potentially outmaneuver America's most advanced air defenses and strike
strategic U.S. positions in the Pacific.
QIBLAWI: Why does this matter? Because in our previous investigation, we found that the U.S. burned through around 25 percent of its THAAD air
defense systems in just 12 days. The Pentagon has been scrambling to replace them.
Now these are the very interceptors that are designed to shoot Chinese rockets down.
Is it fair to say that this is an arms race?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're talking about operational missiles, missiles for theater warfare and battlefield. We're talking about strategic missiles,
missiles for strategic dominance, for deterring the United States and possibly defeating the United States.
I would say it's not only fair to say that it's an arms race, but China has already sprinted off the starting line.
QIBLAWI (voice-over): Tamara Qiblawi, CNN, London.
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ASHER: All right. The storm that was Typhoon Kalmaegi, is weakening as it moves over Vietnam after its powerful winds and rains damaged homes in
central Vietnam on Thursday. At least five people were killed there. Kalmaegi's torrential downpours were already in an area already flooded by
record rainfall.
GOLODRYGA: Earlier in the week, the storm tore through the Philippines. Local officials say at least 188 people were killed most in the Cebu
Province, a tourist hot spot.
But we're also tracking Typhoon Fung-Wong expected to hit the Philippines by this weekend.
Meteorologist Allison Chinchar joins us from the weather center. So, Allison, what more can you tell us about this new threat to the -- hit the
Philippines?
ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes. We could be looking at the next storm to make landfall here across the Philippines. They've had three in
just the last five weeks.
So here's what we are looking at right now. This is Typhoon Fung-Wong's sustained winds of 120 kilometers per hour, but they are gusting up around
150, as it continues its track to the west-northwest. It's going to continue that, especially likely getting a little bit closer to the area of
the Philippines that northern island of Luzon, likely making landfall Sunday evening local time.
Then once it crosses over, we start to see that turn back to the north as it continues off early into next week.
Now, one thing to note too is that there is still some further strengthening expected over the next 24 to 48 hours. Here's -- look at
those winds again, noticing some of those pink colors. So not out of the question when it makes landfall that you're going to have some of those
winds along that east coast, 120, 130, if not even 140 kilometers per hour as it makes landfall.
Then again, it goes back out over the open water before making that northward turn. Rainfall is expected to be extremely high.
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In a lot of these areas, you're looking at widespread totals of 150 millimeters of rain. But notice there is some pink on that screen. So 200,
250 millimeters is not out of the question for some of these areas, especially right there along the coast and some of those mountainous
regions as well where you're going to get some of those higher totals.
Now, we mentioned further strengthening, and here's why, because it's entering incredibly warm waters, which is fuel for these types of storms.
So you're still going to notice that storm strengthening a little bit more before it finally does make landfall late into the day on Sunday.
Now, we talked about how they've been hit multiple times the last few weeks. This is actually so far this year, 2025, we've had eight make
landfall in the Philippines. And even though that may sound like a lot, that's actually pretty close to average.
We typically get about eight to nine that make landfall in the Philippines every given year. Now that's nowhere near the record amounts of that, which
was 19 back in 1993.
But again, the fewest was about four. So we're pretty much right on target for where a lot of these storms would normally be. It just feels like a lot
because as I mentioned early, we've had three in the last five weeks. So it's a lot of them back to back, which really unfortunately doesn't give a
lot of time for cleanup in between storms. And now we're going to be adding this one back on top of it that is expected, like I said, to make landfall
in the northern portion of the island once we get to Sunday evening.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Allison Chinchar, thank you so much.
And coming up on "One World."
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People are really hurting out here. It's not just the traveling public, but it's affecting the whole economy and you people are
to blame.
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ASHER: Anger at the airport as hundreds of flights get canceled. We'll talk to an official at the National Air Traffic Controllers Association about
how they're dealing with the government shutdown.
GOLODRYGA: And as the shutdown drags on, families are race -- are facing a real crisis. That's food insecurity. We'll look at the ruling that may help
them and why the Trump administration does not want to comply.
ASHER: And you may remember one or all three of the iconic games just inducted into the U.S. National Toy Hall of Fame. Find out where they are,
ahead.
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ASHER: The U.S. government has until the end of the day to find the funding for the SNAP program info.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. That's the ruling from a federal judge late Thursday, but the Trump administration is challenging that ruling. It has asked an
appeals court to intervene by 4:00 P.M. eastern today.
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SNAP provides food assistance for tens of millions of Americans in need. But the vice president says the judge overstepped his authority.
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J.D. VANCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's an absurd ruling because you have a federal judge effectively telling us what we have to do
in the midst of a Democrat government shutdown, which what we'd like to do is for the Democrats to open up the government, of course, then we can fund
SNAP and we can also do a lot of other good things for the American people.
But in the midst of a shutdown, we can't have a federal court telling the president how he has to triage the situation.
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GOLODRYGA: The Trump administration stopped SNAP payments earlier this month amid the government shutdown. The administration had been set to
resume partial payments using emergency funding under a previous court order.
ASHER: The shutdown has now brought chaos and headaches to the nation's airports. The FAA today ordered a slowdown at the biggest airports in the
U.S. as it deals with staffing shortages among air traffic controllers.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. The transportation secretary visited a Washington area airport and said that Congress needs to do its job and get the government
reopened.
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SEAN DUFFY, U.S. TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY: There is an easy answer. Open up the government. Stop this.
Why are senators going home? If you can vote 14 times to keep the government shutdown and create this gridlock in our airports, and you're
going to go home? They should sit here. Like -- like Americans sitting in airports, they should sit in their offices. They should sit in the Senate
and figure out how they're going to cope with the deal to open this back up and not use the American people as large.
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ASHER: And here are the numbers. The FAA has ordered a four percent reduction in flights at the nation's 40 biggest airports. It plans to
gather them even further in coming days, rising to a 10 percent reduction in traffic over the next week. Americans are clearly wary of testing the
airports.
Hertz, one of the nation's largest rental car company says it has seen the spike in rentals in recent days as people choose driving over flying. The
travelers who are at the airports are also clearly frustrated.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm renting a car. I have to be back in Utah by Tuesday. And from what I hear with the counters, the airline counters and
TSA, they literally said to me, if I were you, I wouldn't travel over the next three days.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The whole board, there were so many cancellations. So -- so we're going to just rent a car and drive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So we'll be in a hotel.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drive from where?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From here to Wilmington, North Carolina.
People are really hurting out here. It's not just the traveling public, but it's affecting the whole economy. And you people are to blame.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It will.
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GOLODRYGA: CNN's Ivan Rodriguez is at the world's busiest airport in Atlanta.
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IVAN RODRIGUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Zain, Bianna, starting today, airlines will cut four percent of flights across the United States' top 40 major
airports.
We have seen United, Delta, and Southwest. A lot of airlines preemptively cancelled those flights leading into Friday.
And now the question is, when we're possibly going to see a lot of them make that announcement now heading in to the weekend. We know some airlines
have already announced those preemptive flight cuts going in all the way through Monday.
There is a possibility for passengers, through a lot of airlines to make changes to their booking, either cancel or rebook without any fees.
Now there is a silver lining here, at least for Friday. And that's that we do not expect any more of those FAA mandated cancellations, meaning a lot
of passengers arriving to the airport here, like Atlanta Hartsfield- Jackson, the world's busiest airport.
They won't be met with a surprise. We're told that their flight was canceled. Now it doesn't mean that their flight won't be canceled for other
reasons, whether it's because of inclement weather or any other mechanical problems, but that would be more of a normal operations day for a lot of
these airports.
Now, we do know more than 800 flights were canceled across the U.S. just today. And this morning, Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy says,
quote, we have to take unprecedented action because we're in an unprecedented situation.
Duffy also says that the inability to pay air traffic controllers is resulting in many not showing up for work. And those who are, are being
overworked.
Now, in the middle of hundreds of flight cancellations across the country, Hertz is actually seeing an uptick when it comes to car rentals.
A spokesperson tells CNN that reservations for one-way rentals through this weekend have spiked over 20 percent year-over-year. And there's also been
an increase now in one-way reservations beginning tomorrow.
In Atlanta, I'm Ivan Rodriguez.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Let's get some perspective on the situation. We're joined now by Joel Ortiz from the National Air Traffic Controllers
Association. Joel, it's good to see you.
So, let's just start with what you're hearing from your members. This is now the longest shutdown in U.S. history. The closest we had to this in
terms of impact was in 2019, also under President Trump. What are some differences? What are some of the similarities that you're hearing?
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JOEL ORTIZ, NATIONAL AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS ASSOCIATION: You know, the similarities, previously, that was the longest government shutdown in
government history. And this is now the longest shutdown in U.S. history. So that's really the -- the biggest similarities.
I spent the last month going to air traffic control, obviously, is across my region. And this region is California, Arizona, Nevada, Hawaii, and
Guam. And the -- the biggest concern is the unknown, the unpredictability.
You know, when over 65 percent of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and now these air traffic controllers are on their third paycheck of not
getting compensation for the work they're performing, how much longer can we expect people to go to work, 48 to 60 hours a week, and perform at a
high-level while they're not being compensated, wondering how they're going to pay their bills, how they're going to put food on the table for their
families? It is unnecessary pressure that they're putting on this workforce and it's -- it's unimaginable.
ASHER: And already, I mean, I -- I can't even imagine, you know, under normal circumstances how stressful sometimes it can be to be an air traffic
controller. It's a high pressure job, and obviously mistakes are very, very expensive, if you know what I mean.
So just walk us through at this point, how concerned are you overall about safety? So when you're dealing with air traffic controllers, not showing up
for work, some of them, some of them feeling obviously that the immense pressure of having to go to work without getting paid, some of them
obviously having to take up a second job, perhaps on weekends.
I mean, talk to us about at what point safety does become a real concern, if it isn't already.
ORTIZ: I say one thing that the system does and puts in place to -- to mitigate the risk of this is they'll start slowing it down. They'll reduce
flights. They'll, unfortunately, cancel flights. It shifts the responsibility into the flying public with that unpredictability, because
what they're going to do is slow it down to try to avoid putting the flights that are airborne at risk. And they do that by reducing capacity.
And for those people who have maybe travel plans for this holiday weekend coming up or Thanksgiving coming up, you know, the unpredictable nature of
that air travel is going to be something they have to consider.
GOLODRYGA: You know, we talked about the similarities and differences as a reference point to the last shutdown in 2019. The president of the National
Air Traffic Controllers Association was on our air earlier this morning and said that not only as he now seeing air traffic controllers quit the job,
just call in and quit their jobs, but we are 400 air traffic controllers shorter than we were in 2019. That seems rather significant.
How is that impacting the air traffic controllers in general and just how tight it is in terms of making sure that air travel in this country is now
safe?
ORTIZ: You know, that's a really good point because prior to this shutdown, we were 3,800 controllers short across the country. And like you said,
that's 400 controllers shorter than the last longest shutdown in U.S. history.
So adding a government shutdown, not paying controllers for three pay periods, it's only exacerbates that staffing problem. Again, going into
these facilities every day, weighing the decisions of, do I pay for childcare?
And by the way, the childcare providers, they don't accept credit cards. Most of them usually get written checks or handed cash. We have, you know,
the parents and the families that may have had divorces where mothers aren't receiving child support checks. They're not receiving alimony
checks. They're not receiving these forms of payment from paychecks that aren't being paid. And that money's also not being spent into the
communities and the economy. So the impacts are going full.
But again, we're not paying air traffic controllers for work that they are actually performing. And it is now the third paycheck today. And again, the
week before the busiest travel week of the year, we're going to give them a $0 paycheck of, you know, and the shutdown between now and then.
ASHER: And I can't even imagine what morale must be like to sort of feel that you have to go into work when you know you're not going to be paid for
your hours, the hours that you're putting in.
Just in terms, as you and Bianna were just talking about there, the fact that we were already short by about 3,000 or so air traffic controllers
across the country, even before the shutdown began.
Obviously, there is something that needs to be changed when it comes to sort of making the system much more resilient, right? Because when you're
already short of air traffic controllers and then you introduce this kind of sudden shock to it, the system buckles.
So just talk us through the longer term solutions that need to be addressed even after the shutdown comes to an end.
ORTIZ: So this administration has worked well and -- and they have been hiring at a maximum capacity since for -- actually, for probably about
three years, we've been putting an emphasis on hiring our traffic controllers.
But the previous shutdown, when they had it closed down the Oklahoma City Academy, there's only a finite amount of space that we can get through our
FAA Academy to pump those controllers into the system.
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And the last time -- last shutdown, when you shut it down for almost two months, and you missed on that influx of controllers into the system, we
need those controllers to replace those controllers that are going outbound. And we don't have that turnover. That's how you have holes and
that's how the -- the staffing crisis compounds.
So, we didn't really understand the effects of that 35 -day shutdown previously until months to years after. We're not going to know the effects
of this until months to years down the road.
Right now, the academy is still open. They have found money to fund the academy longer. But at some point, that money is going to run out as well.
And then what are we going to do? We do have controllers that are entry level that have just gotten to the FAA. They're less than six months into
this career. They're sitting at their facilities and not getting a paycheck on entry-level pay.
And we're having resignations because this is their intro to the federal employment. Hey, you can go to work. You can work for 36 days and not get
paid for it. And it's something that a few of them have walked away from.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Joel Ortiz, thank you so much for giving us some more insight into how this is affecting your industry and air traffic
controllers. And really, the country has a whole and the one who travels. Thank you. Appreciate the time.
ASHER: All right. Moments ago, these are the scenes outside the White House. It's a few moments ago where President Donald Trump welcomed
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban to the White House there. He was arriving in the -- that -- the black SUV there.
Orban is coming with a major ask for the U.S. president. He's essentially asking President Trump to exempt Hungary from the crippling sanctions for
buying purchasing large amounts of Russian oil. The two largest oil companies in Russia were blacklisted by the President Trump because of
obviously the war in Ukraine.
What Viktor Orban does have going for him is the fact that he is a close ally of President Trump, especially among E.U. leaders. And Trump is
obviously somebody who values his friends. Viktor Orban does have important parliamentary elections coming up in his home country next spring. And so
he's going to be wanting President Donald Trump's support for that.
And President Donald Trump's support will obviously count for something in his home country as well.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. These two leaders do speak to reporters, which President Trump tends to do, opening up to the press. We're not going to criticize or
-- or -- or say we don't accept those moments because it's very important for us to hear from them. We, of course, will bring that to you live.
All right. Coming up for us, Elon Musk is on course to become even richer. Just ahead, Tesla approves a pay package that could dwarf what many
countries make in an entire year.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Welcome back to "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga.
ASHER: And I'm Zain Asher.
Elon Musk, the world's richest person, doesn't appear to be losing that title anytime soon.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. That is because Tesla shareholders approved his new pay package on Thursday. He says he doesn't take a salary, but he does receive
stock grants, which could fetch him $1 trillion in the coming years. That's if Tesla meets a number of benchmarks.
ASHER: So, what can one buy with a trillion dollars? I honestly have no idea. Anna Cooban is going to break it down for us. You know, Anna, I can't
even picture that kind of money. I can't even -- like this is a man, by the way, who's already worth, what, $475 billion. That's an obscene amount of
money already. So just explain to us what on earth you could buy with a trillion dollars.
ANNA COOBAN, CNN BUSINESS AND ECONOMICS REPORTER: He is already the world's richest person with that -- you know, worth that fortune.
And I'll just show you what it looks like, what a trillion looks like. It's got 12 zeros on the end of it. It's more than you can possibly comprehend.
But what he needs to do, you've mentioned the shareholder part of this really, really there. What he needs to do is get this paid out to him in
the form of shares over the next few years, but crucially, only if he meets certain business targets.
He's not going to go on his banking app and find a trillion in his bank account. He needs to do some stuff to get it.
But back to your point, what does it get you? Well, let's break it down. It gets $275 million per day. That kind of gives you some -- some sense of it.
But then it could also buy you 10,000 CEOs of Starbucks. This guy, Brian Niccol, he is the CEO of Starbucks. He earns a paltry, 100 million a year.
Get out the tiny violin.
And then Coca-Cola, a $300 billion company, which you might have heard of. You could pay for the company and you could also buy Coca-Cola for every
single person on the planet. There's about eight billion people on the planet, so that gives you a sense of the scale of this.
And then also it could buy you Switzerland. So I don't think Switzerland's in the market just yet or maybe ever, but its GDP is around 900 billion.
So if Elon Musk wanted to buy it and it was on sale, he absolutely could. So, yes, this gives you a sense of just how ludicrous this amount of money
is.
GOLODRYGA: A lot of zeros, as you pointed out.
ASHER: You did like two lines to fit in the zeros.
GOLODRYGA: You mentioned the benchmarks that need to be met, that were put forward by the shareholders there and ultimately, you know, the board at
Tesla. What are those benchmarks? And how realistic is it that he would actually meet all of them?
COOBAN: Well, the benchmarks are pretty high. And I think in order, you know, a million -- a trillion dollars doesn't come cheap.
What Musk has to do over the next few years is raise Tesla's market cap from the current 1.45 trillion to 8.5 trillion. That's a 466 percent
increase. So it's no small feat.
And also to put it in context, the most valuable company, public company in the world right now is Nvidia, the artificial intelligence chip maker.
That's worth around 4.75 trillion currently. It hit the $5 trillion mark last week, the first company in the history of the world ever to do such a
thing.
So Musk has to best -- the best achievement that a company has made so far in the history of -- of the economy in order to get that really big payout.
ASHER: You could buy Switzerland, Bianna, and also, $275 million a day. That -- that really hit over me. I'll take it as --
GOLODRYGA: You could buy Switzerland with money to spare. Like billion to spare.
COOBAN: (INAUDIBLE) as well.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Anna Cooban, thanks so much.
We'll be right back.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. We want to go to the White House now where President Trump has just greeted Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban. Let's listen
in.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: They want to have a lot of bad things happen, bad things for our country. We're not going to give $1.5
trillion to people that came into our country illegally. We're not going to do it. To people came from prisons. They came from mental institutions,
drug dealers. And they want to give them medical care. $1.5 trillion. And we're not going to do other things that they're requesting also.
So, I just want to welcome this really good person. I know him very well. He's a good person. And he's a great leader, and he's loved in his country.
And, Viktor, would you like to say a few words?
VIKTOR ORBAN, HUNGARIAN PRIME MINISTER: Thank you very much, President.
TRUMP: Thank you.
ORBAN: First of all, I want to say that thank you very much for the invitation. It's good to see you, President, back to the White House. And
good to be back after six years, in a way, again, to see you here.
TRUMP: Yes.
ORBAN: As we have met last time.
The reason why we are here to open a new chapter between the bilateral relations of the United States and Hungary, basically because during the
democrat administration, everything was ruined.
So after you're leaving president, everything was basically blocked, ruined, cancelled, a lot of harm done by the previous administration.
In the last 10 months, President, what you have done, we are very much grateful for that. You restored the old level of the relationship. You
improved the bilateral relations. You repaired what was done badly by the previous administration.
So now, we are in quite a good position to open up a new chapter. Let's say a golden age between the United States and Hungary. And we have plenty of
suggestions for today, economic cooperation, military cooperation, and political cooperation.
And the main issue, probably, President, you know we are neighboring Ukraine --
TRUMP: Sure.
ORBAN: -- which is in war. It's the most important issue for us. And we would like to discuss with you how we can contribute to help you in your
peace efforts.
That's why we are here --
TRUMP: And you've -- and you've taken a lot of Ukrainians that -- that needed your help. And you've taken a lot of them in your country. And
everybody appreciates that.
ORBAN: Thank you very much. We do our best.
TRUMP: Thank you very much. Any questions, please?
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Orban has requested an exemption as it relates to oil that is coming from Russia. Is that something that you are prepared to
do? And may I ask Mr. Orban a question in regards to that very issue?
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TRUMP: Sure. We're looking at it because it's very difficult for him to get the oil and gas from other areas.
As you know, they don't have -- they don't have the advantage of having sea. It's a great country. It's a big country, but they don't have sea.
They don't have the ports. And so they have a difficult problem. There's another country that has that same problem, by the way.
But when you look at what's happened with Europe, many of those countries, they don't have those problems. And they buy a lot of oil and gas from
Russia.
And as they know, I'm very disturbed by that, because we're helping them and they're going in buying oil and gas from Russia. So that question could
be really asked, maybe more accurately, if you talked about many European countries, not Hungary necessarily, because Hungary is -- is in a different
position.
But many European countries are buying oil and gas from Russia. And they have been for years. And I say, what's that all about, right? Thank you.
Yes.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And Mr. Orban.
ORBAN: So that will be one of the issue for today.
TRUMP: Yes.
ORBAN: To explain clearly what would be the consequences for the Hungarian people and for the Hungarian economy not to get oil and gas from Russia,
because we are supplied by pipelines. Pipeline is not an ideological or political issue. It's a physical reality, because we don't have -- have
port exactly as the president explained to you.
So, we will negotiate on that point. It's vital for us, anyway.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Orban, there are two pipelines, as I understand. There's a pipeline from Ukraine. There's a pipeline from Croatia.
And my understanding is that the pipeline from Croatia can provide all of Hungary's energy needs. As a result, why would you need an exemption if
that's the case?
ORBAN: So when we discuss that issue, you should separate the gas and the oil. On the gas issue, which is very important for us, 90 percent of the
Hungarian households based on heating system, based on gas. So -- so we have only one pipeline delivering gas to Hungary, which is the main
pipeline, the Turkish one.
What we got from Croatia is a very small volume supplementary gas pipeline. OK. That's gas.
Oil is another issue. So, oil is coming from the Druzhba pipeline, which is the main supply. And that is a Croatian one, which is the -- the secondary
and supplementary pipeline.
We would like to convince the Croatian government to enlarge it and make it possible to deliver more. Under the circumstances, it cannot be the main
pipeline. It's just supplementary. But later on, with some big investments, it could serve better the interest of Hungary.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. President.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, please. Go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. President, thank you. Many -- many people (INAUDIBLE) not just (INAUDIBLE) country, but as the signal of this country
(INAUDIBLE) conservative work alliance, which are very different, interpretation.
And how do you see the future of Europe in the life of (INAUDIBLE) Viktor Orban stand up to the process bureaucracy and the government agenda?
TRUMP: Are you from Hungary?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I am.
TRUMP: I figured. The fact is that he's a great leader, and he's respected all over it. Not necessarily liked by some of the leaders, but, you know,
those leaders are proven to be wrong.
If you look at his stance on immigration and other things, you know. If you look at Europe, they'd made tremendous mistakes on immigration. It's really
hurting them very badly. He has not made a mistake on immigration. So he's respected by everybody. He's liked by some.
And I can tell you, I like and respect. I'm a double. I like and respect him. And that's the way Hungary is being led. They're being led properly.
And that's why he's going to be very successful in his upcoming election.
(CROSSTALK)
ORBAN: May I have a comment?
TRUMP: Please.
ORBAN: Yes. I have a comment on that.
TRUMP: Please.
ORBAN: The language is important because the Anglo-Saxon terminology is different from the European one. So to use categories can create some
misunderstanding. So I would like to be clear as much as we can.
We are the only -- only government in Europe which considers itself as a modern Christian government.
All the other governments in Europe are basically liberal leftist government. So we try to do something from 2010 which is different from
what the others are doing, even at the philosophical level and the level of practice as well as just the president described, like migration.
So we are kind of a special island of difference in a liberal ocean in Europe. And we consider ourselves as a modern Christian government. That's
-- that's the proper category to describe what we are doing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Towards of your immigration.
TRUMP: We're talking, but we'll report on that later meetings with Putin. We were talking about that with Viktor. He understands Putin and knows him
very well.
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And I feel that -- I mean, I'm going to let you say what you think, but I think that Viktor feels we're going to get that war ended in the not too
distant future.
Viktor, do you want to talk about that?
ORBAN: I'm strongly convinced. So the question is whether we westerners are unified or not. The problem is that the president has huge peace efforts,
which are just splendid and -- and very positive for the European continent and all the peoples of the -- of -- of Europe.
But at the same time, we are not unified because Brussels and the Europeans have a different approach to the war. So the only pro-peace government is
the United States government and the small Hungary in Europe anyway.
All the other governments prefer to continue the war because many of them think that Ukraine can win on -- on the -- on the frontline, which is a
misunderstanding of the situation.
So -- so it's a complicated issue. We will discuss it. It's -- it requests not just too many (INAUDIBLE) who respond to your question, but rather than
our lecture. Sorry, not to continue more.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To both of you -- to both of you --
TRUMP: So you would say that Ukraine cannot win that war?
ORBAN: You know, miracle can happen.
TRUMP: Yes. That's right.
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: Yes, go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, what is your message to the deal because (INAUDIBLE) on Hungary. What is your message?
TRUMP: Well, I think they should respect Hungary and respect this leader very, very strongly because he's been right on immigration. Look what's
happened to Europe with the immigration. They have people flooding Europe all over the place and it's hurting it.
It's -- the crime rates are way up. A lot of bad things are happening. He - - his crime rates are very low. They're the same as they always were, which is very little crime because he's kept -- he's kept it the way it should
be.
Europe, I mean, I don't want to go into individual countries. They're all friends of mine, everyone. As you know, in the -- in NATO, they voted to go
from two percent to five percent. And, you know, that nobody thought that was possible.
And we had just about almost other than Spain, a unanimous vote. No, I think that -- I think they respect him a lot. They don't agree with him,
but actually, inwardly, I think they probably do agree.
What -- he -- he was right on immigration. They were wrong. They are flooding Europe with people from all over the world and Europe is becoming
a different place.
And I tell the leaders all the time, you better stop or you're not going to have Europe anymore. It's a very dangerous thing they're doing.
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: Please.
ORBAN: May I have a reflection on that? So on -- on migration issue, just for clarification. In Hungary, the number of illegal migration is like
that, it's zero. Zero. Because we have a (INAUDIBLE) system.
If somebody would like to come to Hungary, first, you should ask for that. If you give the permission, they can step in. Nobody can step on the
territory of Hungary without having a -- having a permission from the Hungarian.
Also (INAUDIBLE). This is the regulation, simple while working. What is the consequence of that? We are under sanctions, financial sanctions of
European Union because we don't let the illegal migrations to come to Hungary and to the European Union as well.
So we have to pay, just to inform you. We have to pay every day, one million euro as a punishment to the Brazilian (ph) budget because we stop
the migrants. This is the absurd world we are living now in Europe.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To both of you. To both of you. To both of you.
TRUMP: Go ahead, please. Yes, go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'd like to ask whether -- what do you think, what do you believe. After this meeting, can you have maybe or the European Union
will have another opinion about, you know, just because of this penalty and other opinion about Hungary because of the immigration and because of this
kind of politics, which is not that strictly as the European Union direct? What do you believe?
TRUMP: Where are you from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm from Hungary.
TRUMP: OK. I do have that conversation with them and I -- I respect and like them. They're all friends of mine. I think pretty much every single
leader in Europe is a friend of mine. We get along really well. They've done everything I've asked them to do with NATO, et cetera. The only thing
they continue to do is buy oil from Russia. That's not too good.
But I told them they should respect this man. They can also learn from Viktor. Viktor has had a very hard stance on more than anything else,
immigration or even illegal immigration. He literally has accepted no one over the years.
Think of how much greater these countries would be if they didn't have the tremendous crime that has come in with the immigration. People just flowing
into Europe. They've got to stop it. And not only stop it, they have to reverse it. They have to get them out.
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We've done that here. We have zero people coming in now. The borders are closed. We take people, but we take them legally. But we've done it very
strongly and we're -- we're moving hundreds of thousands, millions of people out.
We had of the 20 million people, 25. I mean, nobody knows even what the numbers. They never knew. Biden had no idea. He wasn't -- he had no idea. I
don't believe he had any idea what was happening because he wasn't about open borders.
But we had open borders and we had --
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ASHER: All right. You've just been watching a live press conference with President -- President Trump and also the Hungarian Prime Minister, Viktor
Orban. Viktor Orban actually started off by praising the Trump administration, essentially saying that his relationship under President
Biden was obviously a very strained and difficult one.
These two men are certainly kindred spirits. Viktor Orban has been accused of very, to say the least, undemocratic practices in his home country. One
of the reasons why he's meeting with the U.S. president, aside from the fact that he needs his help when it comes to support for the elections in
Hungary in April is, of course, asking for relief from U.S. sanctions when it comes to buying Russian oil.
Golodryga: Yes. And President Trump said that he would be looking at lifting some of those sanctions. He said that's one of a number of issues
that he would be discussing as well as a continued war in Ukraine.
The president asking him if he thinks that Ukraine could win the war. And it didn't, obviously, sound like the prime minister was optimistic, saying,
listen, anything can happen. Now that's against how so many of his other European leaders view the situation.
All right. We'll continue to follow any developments from this meeting. That does it for "One World" today. I'm Bianna Golodryga. I'll be back
after the break with "Amanpour."
ASHER: I'm Zain. Take care.
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