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U.S. House to Return After Senate Passes Government Funding Bill; Johnson Won't Guarantee Health Care Vote Despite Senate Deal; President Trump Takes Part in Wreath-Laying Ceremony; UK Suspends Some Intel Sharing with U.S. Over Boat Strikes; FAA Orders More Flights Grounded Amid Government Shutdown; U.S. Air Traffic Cuts Expanded Following Order From FAA. Aired 11a-12p ET
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LYNDA KINKADE, CNN HOST, ONE WORLD: More signs that the longest shutdown in U.S. history could soon be over. "One World" starts right now. With an end
to the gridlock in sight, we'll look at how Trump's shutdown wins just landed Republicans with a huge political headache.
Plus, more delays and cancelations as the government continues to order flights to be grounded. We're live at Newark Airport as the chaos rumbles
on. And a new CNN exclusive just into "One World", the United Kingdom suspending some of its intelligence sharing with the U.S. because of the
Trump Administration's strikes against alleged drug boats in the Caribbean.
Live from Atlanta, I'm Lynda Kinkade. Great to be with you. Zain and Bianna are off today, and this is "One World". Well, the U.S. is one step closer
to ending its longest ever government shutdown, which could be resolved in a matter of days, if not hours.
House Speaker Mike Johnson is calling for members to return to Washington after a nearly two-month recess. So, they can vote on the Republican
funding bill as early as tomorrow. On Monday, the Senate passed a spending measure after seven Democrats and one independent broke rank to support it,
even though their key demand has not been met.
Democrats had been demanding an extension of the Affordable Care Subsidies at a time when health care costs are skyrocketing. Without the subsidies,
many people's premiums will more than double. Speaking of Fox News Monday night, President Trump downplayed the economic anxiety that many Americans
are feeling.
He also took aim at the Senate Democratic leader for how he handled the shutdown.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I think he made a mistake in going too far. He --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Going too far how?
TRUMP: Well -- he just went too far. He thought he could break the Republicans, and the Republicans broke him.
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KINKADE: Here's what some lawmakers are saying.
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SEN. JACK REED (D-RI): We made it clear that this not just the health care issue, but the whole issue. I think it was remarkable when the president
tried to use SNAP as the punishment to force us to capitulate. I mean, you're literally taking food away from children while you're feasting at
Mar-a-Lago. That is not the image that I think will sustain the president.
SEN. RON JOHNSON (R-WI): I realize Democrats are doing everything they can to blame Republicans for their failed health care system. We need Democrats
to stop denying reality and work with us in good faith to fix this horribly broken system.
SEN. BILL CASSIDY (R-LA): The cost of health care is entirely on the lap of the Democrats. This is Obamacare we're living under. I'm quite willing to
talk to my fellow Democrats, because I want something that passes. I want something that actually lowers the cost of having health coverage for the
average American family.
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KINKADE: Well, as you just heard, even the Republicans did not include an extension to the Affordable Care Act subsidies in the bill. They do realize
that health care is a huge issue with voters. In an op ed today, CNN's Stephen Collinson writes, Trump's shutdown win just landed Republicans with
a huge political headache.
And Stephen joins me now live from Washington. Great to have you with us, Stephen. So will this apparent victory one step closer to ending this
shutdown actually hurt Republicans, create a new political problem heading into the midterms.
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN POLITICS SENIOR REPORTER: The issue here, Lynda is that this shutdown was started by Democrats because they wanted to extend
those subsidies on Affordable Health Care Act policies that you mentioned by at least a year. Those subsidies are expiring right now.
And that means millions of Americans will get massive hikes to their premiums, some of them, in some cases, doubling their monthly payment to
around $1,000 or even more. They weren't able to get that demand satisfied in the shutdown. Trump and Republicans refused to back down.
But now the problem is that the Republicans are left holding the bag for that health care nightmare, because they are the ones in possession of
power in Congress and the White House. If they don't do something about it, they're going to leave these millions of Americans in a terrible spot.
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And it will play into the wider contention that voters already believe that Democrats and not Republicans, a better place to help them get access to
health care in the United States. So, this is an explosive political issue. What it doesn't seem that is likely to happen is that the White House is
coming up with any solution anytime soon.
The president keeps saying we'll have a solution in two weeks, but he, frankly, has been saying that across the span of his two presidencies.
KINKADE: Yeah, so you're essentially saying the Trump and Republican Party essentially own this health care problem now. They don't have any clear
plan to deal with it. Why is this issue often the party's Achilles' heel? Why haven't they had a clear plan, and why could this moment be potentially
more damaging than what we've seen in the past?
COLLINSON: I think it's because it's such a thorny issue in the United States. There's no real national health care system like there is, for
instance, in some other industrialized democracies, most Americans get their health care through their employer. The problem with that is, is if
you lose your job, or you are self-employed, or you work for a small business, you aren't going to get that kind of health care through your
employer.
So that is where the Obamacare law came in in 2010 trying to fill the gap for millions of people. The theory was that if you get millions of people
to buy in, the risk is shared across a pool of many people, so that when people get sick, they don't get hit by huge bills.
That law is still in place, despite many attempts by Republicans to kill it off. The issue, though, is they've never come up with an alternative. One
reason why is because it's so difficult. The president has been speaking in recent days about just sending money to people instead of giving them
subsidies for them to buy their own health care.
There's no way that that would work in the real world, and I think it's symptomatic of the fact that it's something that the White House has never
taken really that seriously under Trump. You know, in some ways, it is a bit of a mystery. You heard during the shutdown that there are some
Republicans who are willing to talk about a solution to all of this.
You have a very narrow House majority. Obamacare is deeply unpopular for political reasons among Republicans. So, it doesn't seem likely that the
political space is there, especially just one year before a midterm election, for Republicans to take on something that's very difficult to
fix. At the same time, they risk paying the price for not doing so.
KINKADE: Yeah, and speaking of that price, just what is the cost of this shutdown? Because beyond the politics, we've seen the delayed food
benefits. We've seen the travel chaos at the airports, the billions of dollars in lost economic output. How much damage has this done, and who is
likely to shoulder the blame for that pain?
COLLINSON: One of the paradoxes of this is that the Democrats weren't blamed as much by the public as the Republicans were. Yet it was those
eight democratic moderate senators that cave to end it just because of the massive price that people were paying. You heard the senator there talk
about SNAP payments.
That is nutrition assistance for about 40 million Americans to help them buy food every month that was being stopped by the administration because
they said they didn't have enough money to pay for it, despite some court rulings to the contrary. So, in the short term, I think Democrats will pay
a price for giving him in here and looking like they lost, for not getting what they wanted on health care.
In the long run, though, this was all played into the contention that was already there and is growing greatly that the president and the Republicans
are out of touch with the cost of living, health care, housing, groceries, and it made the president, I think, look rather callous in the eyes of many
voters at a time when his approval ratings are already slipping.
So, I don't think, although this is a big in theory political win for President Trump, that it's going to really help him politically in the long
term.
KINKADE: Yeah, Stephen Collinson, always great to get your analysis, and I urge our viewers to go to cnn.com to read your article in full. Thanks so
much. Well, as we have been discussing, the shutdown is not over yet, and nowhere is that more apparent than at the nation's airports.
Passengers are dealing with thousands of canceled flights and delays due to staffing shortages. Some of the most severe disruptions are happening in
Chicago, New York and New Jersey. And it is set to get even worse. Airlines are required to cut 6 percent of their flights at 40 major airports today
and that number will increase to 10 percent by Friday.
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Well, President Trump is threatening air traffic controllers who have already missed two paychecks during the shutdown, demanding that those who
are absent return to work immediately. Gloria Pazmino joins me now from Newark's International Airport. Great to have you there for us, Gloria.
So, I just want to understand how the flight schedules, the operations are looking and what travelers are telling you about their experience?
GLORIA PAZMINO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, Lynda, you know, many of the travelers we've spoken to here, this morning so far has told us that they
are aware that the shutdown is still ongoing, and that as a result, there may be flight cancelations. So, because of that, they're really making an
effort to come prepared.
They have said that many of the airlines are being very good about communicating with them in advance. So, most of the folks who we have
spoken to here today, have told us that their flights are still on. Many of them rescheduled their flights to earlier in the week because, as you
mentioned later this week, as cancelations continue to scale up, there will be more cancelations and more delays.
So, some travelers using the flexibility that many of the airlines are providing right now to try and adjust their travel. You know, people here,
so far, for the most part, are being very patient. There aren't many long lines or just big traffic jams here in the airport, and part of the reason
for that is because passengers are checking in with their airlines before they arrive here at the airport.
We've also heard from some people who have told me that their flights that are departing are on schedule, but they're not sure what's going to happen
for their return flights as the week drags on. And this emergency order by the FAA requires cancelations to scale up to 10 percent by the end of this
week.
So even as the shutdown appears to be ending, soon the fact that these cancelations are going to continue to affect travelers, remains very much a
factor. Take a listen to some of the travelers we've spoken to here today.
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PAZMINO: Any sort of issues so far with your flight?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So far, no today, but I understand that tomorrow, there's going to be another bunch that gets notified for the next couple of
days. So, our return flight is up for grabs. I have no idea.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's actually it was for free to move the flights because of the shutdown.
PAZMINO: Oh, OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, we could shuffle a bit the plans. So even more practical than usual.
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PAZMINO: One thing that's been consistent here, Lynda, international travelers have noted that their flights have not been affected, but if they
have a connection that's within the United States, that is what they are worried about. So far here at Newark Airport, 63 cancelations so far.
Across the nation more than --
KINKADE: Gloria, just I have to interrupt. We are just looking at pictures of the U.S. President Donald Trump and his Vice President JD Vance. They
have just arrived at Arlington National Cemetery. It is, of course, Veterans Day here in the U.S. today.
And shortly, we expect the U.S. President to lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Let's listen in.
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At the 11th hour, on the 11th day, on the 11th month, we are remembering the courage and the bravery of all who have fought in conflict. You were
just looking at the U.S. President laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery.
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And right across the U.S. today, Veterans Day is being observed with parades, ceremonies and memorial events. We will have more on that
throughout this program and next hour. Do stay with us. You're watching CNN.
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KINKADE: Israel's parliament has advanced two controversial bills. The first would extend the use of the death penalty for individuals convicted
of terrorism or nationalistically motivated murder. Israel's far right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has threatened to pull his party
out of Israel's coalition government if the bill was not put forward to a vote.
Well in the same session, lawmakers also approved the first reading of a separate bill, which would allow the government to shut down foreign media
outlets without a court order. CNN's Jeremy Diamond joins us now from Tel Aviv, Israel. Good to have you with us. Let's start with the last one.
I was just mentioning, that media bill dubbed the Al Jazeera law after the net the network was shut down there in Israel back in 2024. How would this
actually affect press freedom in Israel?
JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Well, we're a long way away from it actually having its intended effect on the ground, but that
possibility is certainly alive with this first reading passing in Israel's parliament known as the Knesset. This happened just yesterday, and what
this bill would do is effectively enshrine in the Israeli government the powers to shut down any foreign media outlets without a court order.
And it essentially seeks to take what happened last year with regards to Al Jazeera, when the Israeli government was able to shut down Al Jazeera's
operations in Israel without a court order to be able to do so at any given time, because when that happened with Al Jazeera, it was under a time of
war, a time of national emergency.
But this law effectively seeks to make those powers to shut down any foreign media outlet in Israel permanent. We're already getting reaction
from groups like Reporters Without Borders who are calling this proposal the, quote, first nail in the coffin of broadcast media's editorial
independence in Israel.
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We have seen, of course, signs in the past of kind of backsliding of press freedoms in Israel, in addition, of course, to the fact that Israel has
killed more than 200 Palestinian journalists inside the Gaza Strip since this war began.
KINKADE: And just quickly, Jeremy, take us through this second law that's been pushed forward that potentially would mean the death penalty for those
convicted of terrorism. How would it affect Palestinians?
DIAMOND: Well, it's important to know first of all that in Israel, you know, the death penalty can only be used in extraordinarily rare
circumstances, only been used once to execute the Nazi Adolf Eichmann. But in this case, it would seek to extend that death penalty to convicted
terrorists and individuals found guilty of nationalistically motivated murder with those, of course, only with the aim of harming the State of
Israel.
Meaning it's not aimed at Jewish terrorists in any way, but only at Arab or Muslim terrorists who would have carried out actions in Israel. In addition
to that, it would also extend the power of military courts to give a sentence of a death penalty, not by unanimity, but rather by a simple
majority.
And this is something that the right wing, extremist right wing of Israeli politics, led by the National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, have been
seeking to accomplish for years now. The Israeli Prime Minister previously opposed this piece of legislation, but following the release of all living
hostages from Gaza, the prime minister's position changed on it.
And he now has expressed support via his advisors for this piece of legislation, again, on both bills, some heard additional hurdles that need
to be confronted. It will now go to committee, and then a second and a third reading will need to pass after that committee vote in order for any
of these pieces of legislation to actually become law.
KINKADE: Both highly controversial bills. Jeremy Diamond for us in Tel Aviv, Israel. Thank you. Well, in Pakistan, a faction of the militant
Pakistani Taliban has claimed responsibility for an attack in the capital City of Islamabad. That faction has been behind some of the deadliest
terrorist attacks in Pakistan in the past decade.
At least 12 people were killed in the blast. It happened in the parking lot of the city's busy judicial complex. Pakistan's President released a
statement condemning what he called a suicide blast near the city's High Court. Pakistan has faced a surge of violence since the Afghan-Taliban
swept Kabul back in 2021.
Well, now to a breaking news exclusive, the United Kingdom is suspending some of its intelligence sharing with the U.S. because of the Trump
Administration's strikes against alleged drug trafficking vessels in the Caribbean. To date, the strikes, which have also targeted boats in the
Pacific, have killed 76 people.
The UK's decision underscores the growing skepticism over the legality of the U.S. military campaign. CNN's Natasha Bertrand broke the story and
joins us now from Brussels, Belgium. Great to have you with us, Natasha. So, the UK, of course, is one of America's closest allies, certainly a
significant move.
What can you tell us about this decision to pause intelligence sharing and how it could impact the operations in the Caribbean?
NATASHA BERTRAND, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. Lynda, so the context around this is that the UK was previously a really important
intelligence sharing partner for the U.S. in the Caribbean, because, of course, the UK has a number of territories there.
It has intelligence assets, and it has an interest in stopping the flow of drugs in the region. And so previously, the UK would collect intelligence
about suspected drug traffickers operating vessels in that area, and they would share it with the U.S., so that the Coast Guard could then interdict
those vessels and arrest those on board.
But when the U.S. military started launching lethal strikes against these vessels, killing everyone on board, in most cases, the UK began to get
deeply uncomfortable with that. They believe that the U.S. military using lethal force against civilians, which the UK considers these drug
traffickers to be, is a violation of international law.
So, because they view these strikes as essentially illegal, they have informed the U.S. that they do not want to share intelligence that the U.S.
military could then use to target these vessels. So, this is really significant, because, of course, as you said, the U.S. and the UK are
extremely close allies.
They are very, very close in terms of intelligence sharing as well, on a number of different issues. And so, it is hard to imagine, you know, what
it took to get to this moment where the UK said, look, we can't be complicit in these U.S. military strikes, because we fundamentally believe
that they are in violation of international law.
Now we're told that the suspension of the intelligence sharing began just over a month ago, so just after the U.S. began this deadly campaign against
these drug traffickers. It's unclear how long it's going to last, but what I'm told from my sources is that the UK, frankly, does not want to share
this intelligence with the U.S. anymore, because they do not believe that it is legal.
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And so, this really underscores broadly the ambivalence and questions that have been raised around this campaign. We reported last month that the
Southern Command Commander, the U.S. Southern Command Commander, actually offered to resign because he was also questioning the legality of these
U.S. military strikes.
And he is actually going to be retiring next month, early, just one year into his tenure. And of course, we also reported that several military
officials and lawyers inside the Department of Defense have also raised serious questions about the legality of these strikes. So, it's not just
international, you know, allies, that are questioning this. It's also people inside the Pentagon itself.
KINKADE: Natasha Bertrand, excellent reporting. We will come back to you later this hour for more. Thanks so much. Well still to come, the FAA cuts
even more U.S. flights as the government shut down presses on what travelers are facing today and what we can expect in the coming days.
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KINKADE: Welcome back to "One World". I'm Lynda Kinkade. Here are the headlines we're watching today. At any minute, we expect President Trump to
deliver remarks at Veterans Day in the U.S. The national holiday is to honor both active and former members of the U.S. military.
It comes as the Trump Administration has seemed increasingly eager to make use of U.S. armed forces.
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The U.S. House could vote as early as Wednesday afternoon on a bill to reopen the government after the longest shut down in history. The
Republican led Senate passed a measure on Monday night after eight lawmakers who caucused with the Democrats supported the measure without
getting their key demands met.
The legislation would then go to President Trump, who is expected to sign it. The U.S. Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, is headed to Canada today for
a meeting of the G7 Foreign Ministers in Ontario. The State Department says discussions are expected to focus on President Trump's efforts to bring
peace to Ukraine and Gaza, among other things.
Ministers from Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Britain and the EU will be there. The families of nine victims of the flooding that hit Texas
in July are filing lawsuits against Camp Mystic and its owners. They're accusing the camp of gross negligence after 27 girls and councilors were
killed when the camp was flooded.
Each of the lawsuits are seeking more than a million dollars in damages. Returning now to one of our top stories, the longest government shutdown in
U.S. history, is still dragging on. And it's causing more air travel nightmares for Americans as airports face shortages of air traffic
controllers.
Roughly 1200 flights are already canceled today, with the FAA ordering airlines to reduce services by 6 percent at 40 major airports, compared to
4 percent the day before. If air traffic control issues are not resolved soon, that number goes up to 8 percent on Thursday, 10 percent by Friday.
All this is controllers are missing a second full paycheck this week. They're frustrated, and so travelers who have been delayed or even
stranded.
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JOLEE CYPHERT, TRAVELER: The uncertainty of like not having any control, no matter how organized you are, because you might get there and it's just not
available to you, is a little scary, especially when you have a whole life that you have to get home to.
ANNA BARBA-UWAINE, TRAVELER: I'm exhausted. I am tired. I am mad. I had to call the customer service. They couldn't give me anything. Yeah, I'm tired.
I just want to see. It's been no, it's not OK.
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KINKADE: Well, joining me now is Michael McCormick, an Associate Professor at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and Former Vice President in the
FAA's Air Traffic Organization. Appreciate your time today.
MICHAEL MCCORMICK, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT EMBRY-RIDDLE AERONAUTICAL UNIVERSITY: Thank you. It's great to be here.
KINKADE: So, your background managing the New York air traffic control center, just give us a sense of how serious is the current strain on
aviation systems right now due to the shutdown?
MCCORMICK: The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, air traffic control system was already in a crisis prior to government shutdown, with shortages
of up to 3000 controllers across the United States. So, controllers were already working long hours, mandatory six-day work weeks, lots of overtime
and working hard.
Then on top of that, we have the government shutdown. So, you have the stresses of your job now. You have the stresses in your personal life of
trying to put your finances together to feed and take care of the welfare of your family. That additional stressor has really been tough for many
controllers.
Many have had to take additional gig jobs on the side in order to make ends meet, while others are having to rely upon additional debt. Some have even
got to the point where they're choosing to retire or resign from the profession because of these additional stressors.
So, it becomes really difficult for us controllers to stay focused 100 percent on the job as they need to be in such a critical and vital
profession for the security, safety and efficiency of the aviation system in the United States.
KINKADE: And of course, airport staff are dealing with frustrated passengers who are either having their flights canceled or being delayed,
some stranded. I just want to play some sound from some of those passengers.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's frustrating, and just hoping our politicians could come together and not like children.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn't even get a text message to let me know that my fight was canceled. So yeah, it's very frustrating.
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KINKADE: And in terms of how we're seeing the president respond, he's taken to social media to threaten workers without who are calling out sick. He
said all air traffic controllers must get back to work now, anyone who doesn't will be substantially docked. Can Donald Trump further punish
people who are not turning up for work, professor?
MCCORMICK: I think that would be a grave error. The men and women who serve as air traffic controllers in United States are consummate professionals.
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They want nothing more and be able to perform their duty. They love their job, and they understand the criticality of it, if they choose not to
report to work because they are not fit and able to do their job 100 percent, that's a smart decision, because that is how you protect for the
safety of the system.
And the FAA is able to then throttle down the air traffic control system to make up for the losses those controllers. But what we're seeing since the
government shutdown and now into these mandatory cutbacks of flights, is that it's playing a double whammy on the aviation industry.
And that you have record numbers of cancelations, but then you have record numbers of delays over top of that, so they're getting hit twice as hard.
So, I can certainly understand the frustrations that the passengers are going through during these events.
KINKADE: Yeah. And of course, you were Air Traffic Manager in New York on 9/11, one of the most challenging moments in U.S. aviation history. What
lessons from that experience apply here when you consider the stress on the system, obviously not from terrorism, but from political gridlock, funding
uncertainty, and as you've pointed out, people that are distracted by financial stress right now.
MCCORMICK: What was demonstrated on September 11, 2001 that is that air traffic controllers were hidden heroes. At any given moment, there were
several 1000 air traffic controllers hard at work across the United States. And on September 11, 2001 they safely and quickly empty the skies, ridding
terrorists of the weapons that they were using to attract the United States.
The same holds true today. They are hidden heroes who are coming to work, doing their jobs to keep the system up and running. It's very frustrating
for them, very disheartening for them, and many feel abandoned that they're not being paid for the dedication that they're providing.
KINKADE: And of course, beyond the control towers, what are the broader ripple effects for airports and airlines and passengers? If this shutdown
drags on any further, could we see, you know, once it reopens, once the government is back to work, could we see these bottle necks take days or
weeks to essentially bounce back to normal?
MCCORMICK: Airlines operate a very complex system where everything has to run one time in order for passengers, baggage, aircraft and air crews all
to be in the right place at the right time to make connections and then continue on. When you disrupt that system, then you're not able to get the
aircraft where they need to be to start out on our flights the next day.
That only compounds over several days, so even as the system starts to come back, once the shutdown is over, you're going to see several days of
recovery that'll take to get an up and running. Hopefully shutdown will be over within a matter of next couple of days, the airline to be able to get
to work with their schedules and their flight crews.
And they'll be able to get the systems back up and running in time for the record holiday season over Thanksgiving.
KINKADE: Yeah, Thanksgiving just around the corner. Professor Michael McCormick, great to get your analysis in perspective. Thanks for joining
us. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back with much more news in just a moment.
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KINKADE: I want to return now to our breaking news, "Exclusive". The United Kingdom is suspending some of its intelligence sharing with the U.S.
because of the Trump Administration's strikes against alleged drug trafficking vessels in the Caribbean.
The recent strikes have also targeted boats in the Pacific. 76 people have been killed so far. CNN's Natasha Bertrand broke the story and joins us now
from Brussels, Belgium, certainly such a significant development, given the UK such great allies with the U.S. Essentially, why was this decision made?
BERTRAND: Well, the UK had previously, for years, been helping the U.S. locate drug trafficking vessels in the Caribbean, because, of course, the
UK controls a number of territories in the Caribbean and has an interest in stopping the flow of drugs in that area.
And so previously, the UK had no issue with this, because the U.S. military and the Coast Guard were working to interdict these vessels and arrest
everyone on board, instead of using lethal force against these boats and killing everyone on board, that is when the UK started to become deeply
uncomfortable with the U.S. military campaign.
And just over a month ago, we're told the UK stopped sharing its intelligence with the U.S. because it did not want to be complicit in these
strikes on these vessels. Our sources told us that they believe fundamentally that these strikes are in violation of international law, and
they do not want to be involved at all.
And so, this is a really significant break between the U.S. and the UK, extremely close allies, arguably the closest of allies, and their
intelligence partnership also runs very, very deep. So, for the UK to step back like this and say that they do not want to be involved in the U.S.
military campaign.
It really underscores just how much skepticism there is over the legality of these U.S. military strikes. Legal experts have for months been saying
that they do not believe that these strikes are legal because they are being carried out against civilians who, in the past, have had due process.
They were arrested and they were tried. But the U.S. military, even when it has been able to rescue survivors from these strikes, it has simply
repatriated them back to their home countries, rather than actually try to prosecute them. And that, to many experts, has suggested very loudly that
the U.S. does not have sufficient evidence to be prosecuting these people, let alone killing them extrajudicially.
So, this is why the UK pulled back, because they do not want to be involved in this. And we should note also that it's not just international allies
that are raising concerns about this. It's also people inside the Pentagon itself. Just last month, the Commander of U.S. Southern Command, which is
in charge of this entire operation, offered to resign because he was so concerned about the legality of this campaign.
So military lawyers in the Pentagon, legal experts and now international allies are all saying that this campaign may not be legal, something of
course, that the Trump Administration vehemently denies, saying that they are on firm legal ground here because they are at war with these drug
cartels, Lynda.
KINKADE: All right. Great reporting. Natasha Bertrand, for us in Brussels. Thanks very much. We're going to take a quick break. We will be right back.
You're watching CNN.
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KINKADE: Carnival season has kicked off in Cologne, Germany. The festivities get underway every year at 11 minutes past 11 on November the
11th, which is, of course, when World War One officially ended. The Lord Mayor led the countdown to what's known as the fifth season in the city
square.
One Carnival reveler said, the great thing about the Carnival is that love is being spread, and everyone is together. Something else that's brought
millions of people together are these guys. The Rolling Stones, of course, for fans with deep pockets, the chance to own a piece of rock and roll
history.
An auction of stones, rarities and memorability is tipped to raise more than a million dollars next month. Items range from the electric guitar
Brian Jones played on the band's first single to stage outfits, won by Mick Jagger. A lot of the items on sale date back to the Stones early years.
And you can check out the highlights at Heritage Auctions London's office until November 28th. But if rock and roll is not your thing, the art of the
iconic painter Bob Ross is also on the auction block.
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BOB ROSS, AMERICAN PAINTER: All right. And then we begin pushing thousands of little leaves on here. Just they hide in your brush. There they come.
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KINKADE: Three of Ross' paintings are being sold at Bonhams auctioneers in Los Angeles today. The proceeds will be used to support public broadcasting
here in the U.S., and it will be followed by more auctions in New York, Boston and London. Joan Kowalski, who runs Bob Ross Incorporated, came up
with the idea.
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JOAN KOWALSKI, PRESIDENT OF BOB ROSS INCORPORATED: He loved his public television. He loved the platform. He loved the fact that public
television, feels more like just him and the viewer, that there is no other sort of influences outside of that show up in the transaction or in the
relationship.
So, he always felt like he had one viewer that he was talking to, and public television sort of made that for him, and he would have absolutely
loved this idea that we're doing.
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KINKADE: Well, you might remember, in July, Congress eliminated $1.1 billion in federal funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
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Kowalski says Ross, who died in 1995 always believed public television should be accessible to everyone. Well, finally, this hour, there is no
denying the power of the poultry pardon. Colorado Governor Jared Polis has given two birds a new lease on life at his state's third annual Turkey
pardon.
Nicknamed Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, they'll be spared a trip to the Thanksgiving table and will live out their lives at a local animal
sanctuary. The event also kicked off a food drive to help families facing hunger this holiday season. Well, stay with CNN. I'm Lynda Kinkade. I'll be
back with much more of "One World" in just a moment.
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