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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN HOST, ONE WORLD: Hello, everyone. Live from New York. I'm Bianna Golodryga. Zain is off today. You are watching "One World". We

begin with breaking news from Ukraine with a warning from President Zelenskyy. Quote, Ukraine is facing a choice between losing a major partner

or its dignity.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE: This is one of the most difficult moments in our history. The pressure on Ukraine is now at its

most intense. Ukraine may now face a very difficult choice, either the loss of dignity or the risk of losing a key partner, or 28 difficult points or

an extremely harsh winter.

The most difficult and further risk are life without freedom, without dignity, without justice and believing someone who has already attacked us

twice.

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GOLODRYGA: That major partner is the United States, who, this week, presented a framework to Kyiv to end Russia's war there. In a radio

interview with Fox News, President Trump said that he had given Ukraine until Thursday to respond. Ukraine's government says that it is carefully

reviewing the Trump Administration plan.

And earlier, President Zelenskyy held an urgent call with the leaders of Britain, Germany and France to discuss this plan. The U.S. framework was

drawn up in secret by the U.S. and Russia without consultation from Kyiv or Europe. A draft seen by CNN shows the proposal includes the Kremlin's

maximalist demands requiring Kyiv to half the size of its army and cede all territory lost to Russia in the past 3.5 years of war.

Under the draft framework, Luhansk and Donetsk would be recognized as de facto Russian territories, as well as Crimea, which has been occupied by

Russia since 2014. Russia would also keep parts of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh is in London.

Our Kylie Atwood joins us from Washington, D.C. Nick, let's start with you, as we heard there, ominous words from President Zelenskyy calling this one

of the most difficult moments of the country's history. He went on to say, I will present arguments. I will persuade.

I will offer alternatives, but we will definitely not give the enemy any reason to say that Ukraine does not want peace. Just talk about the

predicament that President Zelenskyy, that Ukraine is put in now, and the brief phone call that we now know that President Zelenskyy had with Vice

President Vance.

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. I mean key, I think, will be what was said in that phone call in the past,

Vice President Vance has been particularly in the Oval Office blowout earlier on this year, the one to deliver the harshest messages towards

Zelenskyy.

We don't know if that was the case here, but listening again to President Zelenskyy address there to the nation, this does not sound like a president

who is saying to Ukraine, we have to go along with this, the choice between dignity and losing a major ally. Well, it's fairly clear what he's

suggesting Ukrainians choose there, the choice of 28-point plan or an extremely hard winter.

They've had hard winters in the past. This is clearly a process. But what we don't know at this stage is precisely what concrete parts of a plan that

was widely leaked, perhaps initially, elements of it by Russia to show they were trying to get a peace process moving.

Perhaps then bits of it leaked by Ukraine and Europe in the hope, perhaps misguidedly, that the distinctly pro-Russian element of this plan would

kind of torpedo it in the early stages. That hasn't happened, and instead, it's kind of morphed now into this document that has a life of its own,

clearly, in which the Trump Administration is deeply invested.

There are things in there which would be militarily and politically, frankly, suicidal to start a rhetoric on it for Zelenskyy, he can't see

territory, particularly in the domestic political bind he's in with a corruption scandal swirling around his inner circle that will be a

phenomenally hard ask.

He certainly can't agree to elections in 100 days after the signing of a deal, even if he's not on the ballot, he'll be creating electoral process,

their rush with demobilization, wartime, messing it up, that will create a government whose legitimacy will be questioned from day one.

And he certainly, I don't think can agree to some elements of the decisions that get made by Russia in this document about who gets to join NATO in the

future. So even when you read the text of the early versions that we've been seeing leaked to the media here, it's clear this originated in the

Russian language, Bianna.

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You know, when you read certain elements of the English that look like they may have started in Russian. There are some parts of this document that

clearly hark too closely to that. What we don't know at this point, though, is exactly what modifications are being suggested agreed, what precisely

this pressure for Thursday is around?

Do they expect that 28 points to be agreed then? Well, that's frankly impossible at this stage, but it's important to just quickly remember the

timing here. Not only is domestic political pressure on Zelenskyy possibly at its worst since the start of this war with this corruption scandal on

the front lines.

Pokrovsk is probably days, maybe weeks, away from falling fully to the Russians that's been fought over for over a year, and will be a key victory

that Moscow has been hankering for months. And they're also Russia moving fast in the Zaporizhzhia region, faster thing than anyone potentially

thought.

So, a front-line emergency is coinciding with a domestic political crisis Zelenskyy and now with this extraordinary moment where he's had to address

the Ukrainian people and say they may have to choose in their own dignity and keeping their key ally the United States.

We've seen pressure vacillate, and this pendulum of Trump's love of Kyiv versus Moscow vacillate, but there's clearly an acute level here. If you're

Ukraine, do you just remember how you survived the last time it got this bad? Or do you think there's something different, now?

GOLODRYGA: Can I ask you, Nick, if you know exactly what if any involvement Ukraine had in this? Were they blindsided by this proposal? Because there

had been some reporting that perhaps a Ukrainian official had also been in Florida meeting with Steve Witkoff, though the majority of this reporting

seems to suggest that this was drafted between just Witkoff and Russian Envoy Dmitriev Kirill themselves.

WALSH: I think the simplest answer to that notion of secret meetings is, if you look at the text, well, any influence Ukraine thought it had in these

meetings, or presence it thought it had in these meetings hasn't really resulted in a document that includes much, if anything at all, in their

favor.

Even the clause about reconstruction of Ukraine is very complexly phrased. It potentially gives the possibility of that money going to rebuild areas

of Ukraine that are actually Russian occupied and through complex mechanisms through which the U.S. says it might get 50 percent of the

profits and other joint projects that the U.S. and Russia will devise by themselves, even that isn't really in Ukraine's favor.

Yes, there's recognition of Ukraine sovereignty in that document, but remember to sovereignty of what, doesn't necessarily guarantee there won't

be a third invasion. So yes, maybe there has been Ukrainian input, whether that's actually translated into a document that's now in front of Zelenskyy

and Trump, and even Putin potentially for discussion or the input has been lost along the way.

We don't know, and that's, I think, why this moment is so key, because clearly Ukraine sounding the alarm here, but we don't know the precise

details of exactly what's concerning it.

GOLODRYGA: Yeah, another party that was clearly not involved here from all of the reporting, was Europe as a whole. Nick Paton Walsh, thank you. Let's

go to Kylie Atwood. And Kylie, what more are we learning about this phone call between President Zelenskyy and Vice President Vance?

We think back to that first meeting in the Oval Office, where the talking down to the shouting between Vice President Vance towards President

Zelenskyy, was quite shocking to see the relationship has improved a bit. But what do we know about this call today?

KYLIE ATWOOD, CNN U.S. SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, listen, we don't actually know a whole lot about the call yet. But to your point, it is

interesting that the vice president is even becoming a critical player in this conversation overall. Obviously, there were those dramatic moments in

the oval office earlier this year, but JD Vance, the vice president has not been someone who has been viewed as a behind the scenes operator when it

comes to driving a solution to end the war in Ukraine.

These have been roles that have really fell on the shoulders of Steve Witkoff, who we know is still very actively engaged in this portfolio. He

is the one who worked with Kirill in order to come up with this new 28- point proposal, but also Keith Kellogg, who was the president's Special Envoy for Russia and Ukraine.

He was really leading the talks with Ukraine. We have learned that Keith Kellogg has told people that he's planning to leave the administration

earlier next year. That will create a bit of a gap, a dramatic gap, really, in terms of who the Ukrainians rely on to talk with the Trump

Administration.

And JD Vance is signaling today, and we'll see if this, you know, pans out that he might be the person to begin to step up and, you know, converse

with the Ukrainians on how to drive a solution here.

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We also just heard from President Trump in an interview with Fox that next Thursday is the deadline that he is giving the Ukrainians to agree to this

28-point plan that the U.S. and the Russians have worked on together that was presented to the Ukrainians just yesterday by the U.S. Army Secretary

in Ukraine.

President Trump also appeared to give some buffer room to that, saying that when things are going well, deadlines often change. So, he's indicating

that if the Ukrainians are effectively engaging, maybe that deadline for agreeing to this specific plan could change.

But listen, it comes off of administration officials telling us that this leaked proposal was not necessarily the final proposal, but then you have

President Trump saying that the Ukrainians have a week to agree to it. So even if it's not the final version, it does, in fact, have a lot of

elements that the Trump Administration is robustly behind.

And that's significant. I also think it's important to point out that the administration is working off of this Gaza framework. They believe that

this 20-point plan that they presented that led to a ceasefire in Gaza was effective. They're using that sort of framework to apply to try and end the

Ukraine war.

We'll swatch and see how that plays out. These are very different conflicts, but the administration clearly feels that they have the wind at

their backs in terms of, you know, solving these crises that President Trump set out to solve, but has personally said have been very challenging

for him to find a solution to.

GOLODRYGA: Yeah. And just the timing of all of this that the president demanding an answer from Ukraine by Thursday, I'm not sure that Moscow has

even confirmed what's in this reporting thus far and the framework. As of yesterday, it appeared that Dmitry Peskov said that nothing has changed

since the conversation between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump at their summit in Alaska, though we know that Kirill Dmitriev and Steve Witkoff

were the framers of this particular proposal.

Kylie Atwood, Nick Paton Walsh, thank you so much. Fast developing story here. Joining me now for more is Former U.S. Ambassador to NATO and Former

U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine negotiations Kurt Volker. Kurt, let me get your thoughts on this new ultimatum, really, for Ukraine only.

KURT VOLKER, FORMER U.S. SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR UKRAINE NEGOTIATIONS: Yeah.

GOLODRYGA: I'm not sure what the ultimatum is for Russia to agree to this deal, but you heard those words from President Zelenskyy saying that this

is one of the most difficult moments in Ukraine's history. How do you respond?

VOLKER: Well, exactly all of those things. First off, it is incredibly one sided. It imposes restrictions on Ukraine and virtually no restrictions on

Russia, other than saying that it's expected that they won't invade other countries, which is really not even a commitment.

When it talks about Ukraine's sovereignty in the very first line, it then goes on to outline all these ways in which Ukraine's sovereignty is

actually limited. So, it is incredibly difficult, incredibly one sided. Some of it just comes across as ill-informed as well too. For example, it

treats Russia as though it's a victim, or that Russia is threatened by Ukraine, when in fact, it is Russia that has invaded Ukraine.

So, it gets a lot of just -- a lot of things just upside down for President Zelenskyy, he needs to engage. He needs to talk. He needs to show to the

United States that he is reasonable, that he wants peace, but it's clear that he will not be able to accept this plan as it is written, it is for so

many reasons,

GOLODRYGA: And it's presented as offering unprecedented security guarantees to Ukraine that is seen as a positive for the country. But just looking at

the language, I'm not sure that it can be viewed as iron clad. I'm going to read it for you and our viewers.

It states that any future quote, significant, deliberate and sustained armed attack by Russia on Ukraine shall be regarded as an attack

threatening the peace and security of the transatlantic community and the U.S. and its allies will respond accordingly, including through military

force. Your view?

VOLKER: Yeah, it is a lot of qualifiers in there.

GOLODRYGA: Yeah.

VOLKER: You know, sustained.

GOLODRYGA: Deliberate.

VOLKER: And deliberate. And also, there are other parts of this draft agreement where it says there would be no stationing of NATO forces or

European forces in Ukraine. The size of the Ukrainian military would be limited. It puts a lot of restrictions on the ability for Ukraine to

actually deter a Russian attack.

And we know that Russia has attacked Ukraine twice before. So, it seems to be underwhelming in terms of what the security guarantee would actually be.

GOLODRYGA: European leaders have worked so hard to cultivate a closer working relationship with President Trump this second term.

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It seems that relations between the president and individual European leaders have improved, as well as his relationship with NATO as a whole,

but now European leaders are calling this plan a capitulation for Ukraine to have to accept. What kind of position does that put Ukraine in, in terms

of dealing with the Europeans who are still supporting the country.

But perhaps without America's support, if Ukraine doesn't sign off on this, because we know the majority of the aid and weapons are still coming from

the United States, if they're still going through Ukraine, through Europe, to be purchased, ultimately, until they're delivered to Ukraine.

VOLKER: Yeah, so the aid from the U.S., that is no longer aid, it is sales. So, the U.S. is selling to European allies who are providing it to Ukraine.

That is a big change from where we were in previous administration. And one would think that that is sustainable.

But at this stage, I think Europeans are going to be looking at this draft agreement as detrimental to their security as well. It is not going to --

is going to reward Putin for aggression. It will allow him to continue to build up his military forces, which can threaten Europe, as he is already

doing.

There is no accountability for war crimes, rape torture, abduction of children and so forth, which means that those things have been accepted or

normalized, which is also a risk to Europe and future conflict. So, I think Europeans are more likely to side with Ukraine and say, we can't allow this

kind of capitulation, because it will damage European security as a whole.

GOLODRYGA: Right, because this would leave Ukraine territorially weakened, militarily reduced, and Russia not held accountable and actually readmitted

to the community of nations without sanctions. We heard President Zelenskyy pledge to present arguments, persuade and offer alternatives.

From your experience, we know that he has cultivated a rather strong relationship with President Trump relative to where things were just years

ago, a few years ago, between the two of them and even earlier in this administration. What can he do to offer alternatives? What are those

alternatives?

VOLKER: Yeah, I think that is right. He should talk about, OK, let's look at what you put here. Let's look at alternatives. For example, there is a

restriction on the size of the Ukrainian military, but no restriction on the size of the Russian military. So, one thing to do is say, let's put a

restriction there as well.

Or additionally, let's put a restriction on where the Russian military can be deployed so that it is not close to Ukraine's borders. Those are the

sorts of things that you would bring up. Rather than walking away from territory that is Ukrainian that Russia does not currently occupy, you

would say, how about having a ceasefire in place along the current front line?

So, there are ways in which Zelenskyy can and should talk about this, but I think accepting it as the one-sided document that it is right now is just

simply politically impossible and not in Ukraine's or Europe's interest.

GOLODRYGA: All right. Kurt Volker in Washington, D.C., for us. Thank you so much. Good to see you. Well Israeli settlers have carried out another major

arson attack in the occupied West Bank as the prime minister attempts to address the escalating violence.

Witnesses and the official Palestinian news agency say Israeli settlers set fire to a Palestinian scrap yard in the northern town of Huwara on Thursday

night. Scrap yards owner says more than a dozen settlers descended on the site, smashing cars and starting fires. The attacks came as Israel's Prime

Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was holding a security meeting focused on settler violence, which has surged recently.

Netanyahu blames the attacks on what he calls a small extremist group. CNN's Nic Robertson joins me now live in Jerusalem. The prime minister may

call this a small extremist group, but the onus is on him to rein them, in which he said that he will do, what exactly is the Israeli government doing

in response, Nic?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well, they had a meeting. It's clearly an issue that's caught international attention. The

U.N. has said since 2006 it's the highest level of settler violence. On average, more than eight attacks a day.

Last night, there were more attacks, not just that scrap dealer who had 150 cars incinerated. It's a scrap dealership, but so many Palestinians rely on

the second-hand parts to keep their aging vehicles running in the West Bank. So, this was a source of income for his family, but it's a tactic

that we've seen the settlers turning to more in recent weeks, targeting businesses.

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It was a dairy distribution processing plant that was targeted last week. And as I say, some of the other places that were targeted last night again

by settlers were businesses. I was in the West Bank just yesterday with a group of Israeli peace activists. And they had taken us there to show a

pattern where they say this, these groups of settlers that the prime minister calls a small group of extremists, are now moving out of their

targeting of sort of rural Palestinian communities, small farmers.

And are moving their attacks to sort of be closer to towns and putting more pressure on Palestinian towns and businesses. And I think one of the things

that not just the Palestinians in the West Bank look for, or the Israeli peace activists look for, would be for the prime minister to instruct his

Defense Minister Israel Katz, who, when he took over the post late last year.

One of the first things he did was to remove administrative detention for the settlers, administrative detention is something that Israel uses a lot

to hold Palestinians in detention in the West Bank. But many people see the absence of that administrative detention for settlers as an implicit open

door for them to continue that there's no penalty for what they're doing.

Now we've heard Avi Bluth, the IDF Commander for the West Bank, calling the settlers this violence, calling them anarchists. They've spray painted

graffiti during one of their attacks, saying they don't care what he says. And I think it's risen to the level of concern here that you now have

opposition figures saying, look, we need to treat this settler violence, treat it as we would Palestinian terrorists, call it Jewish terrorism, and

treat them as such.

So, there is a lot more public debate and discourse about it. But aside from that government meeting last night, we're not seeing steps that people

could interpret as curtailing the free hand the settlers perceive that they have.

GOLODRYGA: And the global community is calling for those steps. Nic Robertson, thank you so much. Well up next on "One World", an unlikely Oval

Office sit down Donald Trump prepares to meet with a Democratic socialist who just won the race to be New York City's next mayor.

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GOLODRYGA: Well, in just a few hours, a progressive will meet with the president. New York's Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani is headed to the White

House to sit down with Donald Trump. The meeting this afternoon follows months of harsh words between the two politicians.

Trump said that he would cut federal funding to New York if Mamdani was elected, and begged New Yorkers to pick any other candidate. Mamdani was

fiercely critical of Trump during the campaign, and says he now wants to discuss the issue of affordability with Trump.

Let's bring in CNN White House Reporter Alayna Treene. And Alayna, president predicted that this would be a civil meeting between these two

this afternoon. What more can we expect? What is the White House expecting to come out of this meeting?

ALAYNA TREENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yeah, we just heard from the president who did an interview with Fox News radio this morning, Bianna, as

you said, he said that he hopes it will be civil. He also said that Mamdani has a different philosophy from him, that they're different men, but that

they both want the same things.

That's in Trump's words. He essentially said that they both want to see a strong New York. Of course, both these men's close ties to Queens, but also

New York City in general. And the president also said that he's considering opening this up to press, which is interesting for reporters like me, who

are very eager to hear the president and Mamdani take questions.

But also, to get that front row seat to what the tension could be, what the tenor and tone of this could be, and really figuring out if all of the

barbs and harsh attacks that they exchanged over the last several months is going to be reflective of their meeting in person. But what to expect it is

pretty high stakes.

We have heard these two be very critical of each other. The president often referring to Mamdani as a communist. He's not. He's a Democratic socialist,

we should point out. But also, even at times, questioning whether he is in the United States illegally, that's also not true, but escalating rhetoric

that was very derogatory toward Mamdani, I should say.

Mamdani having similar words. He has promised his voters and New Yorkers repeatedly that he would stand up to Trump, that he would challenge him.

And so, we have to actually see them put those words into action today. Now you mentioned this, one of the things that the president has previously

said is that he would withhold, potentially, all funding to New York City.

We'll see if that's actually something that he reiterates today. Mamdani is saying, though, that he really wants to focus on affordability,

particularly high cost of groceries, high cost of living things that are even higher in New York City than the rest of America.

Some other things as well that I think very much worth pointing out is that we know how this oval office meetings can tend to go. You know, you were

talking about Zelenskyy on earlier shows, the Ukrainian President when he came to the Oval Office and met with President Trump in February, that blew

up very quickly, and set that relationship on a very hard path toward reforging that.

And so that's part of why we've been hearing that Mamdani has been looking to some other Democratic leaders, others who have met with President Donald

Trump in the Oval Office for advice. He's spoken with the New York Governor, Kathy Hochul, Senate Minority Leader, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem

Jeffries, the House Minority Leader, all of them trying to get a sense of, you know what they should be talking about, how he should be acting, what

to pick up on.

And so, we'll see. I think Mamdani is doing his homework. President is saying he's hoping this is civil we'll see if that actually happens at this

03:00 p.m. meeting.

GOLODRYGA: Right. And as we're speaking, House lawmakers this morning passed a Republican led resolution quote, denouncing the horrors of

socialism. This coming ahead of the meeting between these two gentlemen, both New Yorkers. President Trump, as we said earlier this morning,

predicted a civil meeting, but if it's going to be open to press.

I know you'll be in there, along with our other colleagues, asking all the questions that we are right now. Alayna Treene, thank you so much. And

ahead for us on "One World", how the White House is trying to defuse the firestorm over President Trump's death penalty remarks. We'll get expert

insight ahead.

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GOLODRYGA: Welcome back to "One World". I'm Bianna Golodryga in New York. Here are some international headlines we're watching today. In an interview

with Fox News, President Donald Trump says that he has given Ukraine a Thursday deadline to agree to the U.S. Administration's plans to end the

war with Russia.

Ukraine says it is carefully reviewing the framework, which, in a draft seen by CNN, appears to heavily favor Russia's wishes. Earlier, Ukrainian

President Zelenskyy said his country is now facing a choice between losing its dignity or losing U.S. support. Israeli settlers have carried out a new

attack in the occupied West Bank, according to witnesses and the Palestinian news agency, settlers torch cars at a vehicle scrap yard on

Thursday.

The attack happened on the same evening. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu convened a security meeting on escalating settler violence in the

West Bank. Emergency services and firefighters are on the scene of a deadly disaster at the Dubai Air Show.

The Dubai Media office says an Indian fighter jet crashed, bursting into flames and killing the pilot. AFP reports it went down about a kilometer

and a half from the show site, as hundreds looked on. The Air Show is one of the world's biggest aviation and defense exhibitions.

Well, a little more than three hours Donald Trump will welcome Zohran Mamdani to the White House. The mayor-elect of New York City says that he

wants to talk to Trump about affordability in the Big Apple. Today's meeting is eagerly anticipated because the two men have been fierce critics

of each other.

Well, U.S. President Donald Trump is facing major backlash after accusing some Democrats of quote, seditious behavior punishable by death. This comes

after they released a video urging military members to defy illegal orders. Trump's comments are being condemned by Democrats as an attempt to incite

violence.

Now members of his own party are distancing themselves from those remarks while also blaming Democrats.

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REP. MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA): The words that the president chose are not the ones that I would use.

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OK, obviously, I don't think that this is some these are crimes punishable by death or any of that, OK? But what the point that is it that we need to

emphasize here is that members of Congress and the Senate and the House should not be telling troops to disobey orders it is dangerous.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): I don't agree with the president they should be put in jail, but I do believe what they did was despicable, and they need

to explain themselves.

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GOLODRYGA: The president is attacking a group of Democratic lawmakers for releasing this video urging military members to defy illegal orders. Have a

look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can refuse illegal orders.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You must refuse illegal orders.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No one has to carry out orders that violate the law.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Or our constitution.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need you to stand up for our laws.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our constitution.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And who we are as Americans.

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GOLODRYGA: The six Democratic lawmakers in the video specifically spoke about illegal orders. In fact, members of the military are required to

refuse unlawful orders. These lawmakers have served in the military and intelligence communities.

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REP. CHRIS DELUZIO (D-PA): It's a dark day for the country. I mean, the president called for our death and arrest. Every elected official, no

matter their party, should be condemning and condemning clearly what the president has called for here, violence against me and others.

I haven't heard much from my Republican counterparts, who were quick to criticize and demand that Democrats condemn political violence, when

Charlie Kirk was killed as I condemned it, when Donald Trump was targeted for assassination in Pennsylvania as I condemned it, and others, that's

what moral clarity and leadership requires. You condemn political violence. No exceptions.

SEN. MARK KELLY (D-AZ): He has talked about sending troops into more U.S. cities. He's talked about invoking the Insurrection Act. You don't have to

go too far back to his first administration, where, in 2020 he went to his secretary of defense, and he asked the question.

He said, can't we just shoot these protesters in the legs? That is an example of an illegal order if it was given. He didn't give the order, but

it's obviously rattling around in his head. He's got these ideas, and these are dangerous ideas. What he said today, again, was a dangerous idea.

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GOLODRYGA: Larry Sabato is the Director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, and co-author of the book "Campaign of Chaos:

Trump, Biden, Harris and the 2024, American Election". He joins us now from Charlottesville, Virginia. Larry, it's good to see you.

And you've noted what others have pointed to as well, and that is Trump is attacking as sedition. It's actually standard operating procedure for the

U.S. military. So, in your view, was this a calculated move for the president, as we've seen him do in the past, to deflect and to change the

topic and conversation from Jeffrey Epstein to something else, which is quite shocking that this would be the conversation he'd be choosing to

have.

Or do you think that the president isn't aware that what these lawmakers are calling for is standard operating practices?

LARRY SABATO, DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR POLITICS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA: Well, as you know, he didn't serve in the military, and he

avoided the draft for the Vietnam War, so perhaps he is unaware of it, though he was president for four years.

So, it's difficult to believe that he doesn't know that. And of course, this is, as you said, standard operating procedure in every civilized

country around the globe. Where did it come from? The Nuremberg trials after World War Two, in which all the German generals and even lower

offices said, oh, I was just obeying orders when I shot and killed 100 people or put people into a crematorium.

So, there's a reason this is there, and the members of Congress were absolutely right to point this out. There are many people worried about

what is going to happen in the 80 percent of Donald Trump's term that is still left.

GOLODRYGA: You also said the posts are completely irresponsible in this climate of political violence. Is there reason to be concerned for lawmaker

safety?

SABATO: Oh, absolutely. The count of threats has gone through the roof, and that's fairly recently. Although it was building for a number of years,

it's quadrupled and quintupled from what it once was in the thousands and thousands, just for members of Congress. And we all know what happened with

Charlie Kirk.

We all know what happened with the Speaker of the House. Up in Minnesota, there are too many of examples of this. In America, we have, unfortunately,

a violent society, and of course, more guns than people. That is absolutely true, more guns and people, this was terribly irresponsible. So, what's

new?

GOLODRYGA: So, what do you make of how some Republicans have responded? On the one hand, you see both Lindsey Graham and Mike Johnson distance himself

from the rhetoric, saying that that's not the kind of language they would use, that they don't think that what Democrats did here should be

punishable by death.

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But at the same time, they think putting this video out the way they did was something that they should not have done, and they take outrage and

issue with that. I mean, what you don't hear them say is that everything these lawmakers said in this video is not to follow illegal demands by the

military.

But was this a video worth putting out? And how do you think the Republicans, how do you think they should be responding?

SABATO: Well, the Republicans should be condemning it. And of course, we know they're not going to do it. They've done very little in opposition to

Trump, other than releasing the Epstein files, and they really had no choice at that point, because even Trump's base wanted the files released.

But in this particular case, it's so easy to say this violent language has no place in American politics, much less coming from the President of the

United States, they just can't do it. And as far as why the Democrats released it, they're answering the very legitimate concerns of their own

constituents, and particularly in the Democratic Party, who worry that we're going to have more and more troops dispatched to American cities say

around election time.

GOLODRYGA: Do you think it's an effective way to deal with that concern that more and more Democrats have by putting out a video like this?

SABATO: I think it was completely justified. There was not a word in there that was wrong. And these are military veterans, some of them decorated one

from the intelligence community. They're tried and true, and no one cannot call them patriots, even the president.

GOLODRYGA: Larry Sabato, thank you so much again, a reminder of how far we've come. Who would have thought that this would be a conversation or a

topic that we would be talking about just a few months ago? And yet, here we are. All right, still to come on one world extreme poverty and cuts to

U.S. aid trigger an ISIS resurgency in an African nation, where the group is spreading terror and death. That's just ahead.

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GOLODRYGA: Last year, the United States Agency for International Development, known as USAID, gave $586 million to Mozambique.

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The money paid for humanitarian aid and projects to curb ISIS recruitment. But earlier this year, USAID was dismantled by the Trump Administration.

And that has left the Southern African nation reeling, just as ISIS is resurging there. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh has this exclusive report from

Mozambique. And we should warn you, some of the footage is disturbing.

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WALSH (voice-over): It looks like a place where nothing should go wrong, but ISIS are seeing a resurgence across Africa, home to two thirds of their

global violence this year, rising fast here in northern Mozambique.

We land in the flash point of Mocimboa da Praia seven weeks after ISIS started their worst offensive since they occupied the town in 2021. The

government's grip is so shaky, they've let Rwandan forces in to be the real muscle on streets where ISIS seemed to rule the night.

WALSH: So, USAID contribution to Mozambique amounted about 3 percent of its GDP, and that USAID money helped the economy here. Development schools

really enabled the government to try and promote its hold on the place. And so now that money suddenly vanished. Well, they're reeling here, and ISIS

are back.

WALSH (voice-over): The little video we have of ISIS's recent onslaught is terrifying. Outgunning Mozambiquean forces, slaughtering captives. But in

October, they tried something new, less savage and confident. They walked unopposed, armed in stolen uniforms, straight into this mosque in

Mozambique's coastal fishing community to deliver a manifesto.

The crowd didn't flee, but instead filmed. When ISIS arrived, asked for the keys and walked in wearing their boots. The imam had presumed they were

soldiers.

WALSH: What did you think on that night when these guys came in?

SUMAIL ISSA, IMAM: They ordered the old man, asking for the microphone to broadcast their voices. Whey they displayed their banner like this I was

surprised that they are Al-Shabab [ISIS].

WALSH: It is extraordinary, after all these years of ISIS is spread across the Middle East to stand in startling to stand in a place where they had

freedom of movement. Just a couple of days ago.

WALSH (voice-over): 93,000 people around this area fled in just six weeks after ISIS's attacks began on September the seventh. Rafael takes us

directly to the home of his brother-in-law, now abandoned. They were not rich and also took USAID.

RAFAEL NDINENGO, SON KILLED BY ISIS: He was tied up they took a stick and beat him they cut off his head and put it on his bottom. This place you see

here is where we laid my son's spilled blood. You are going to make me cry because of my son. My son. I lost him.

My feelings for my son. You are going to make me cry. I didn't want to come here. He was calling me "papa", "papa".

WALSH: Eight men killed by ISIS, seven of them, beheaded, some in front of their families, and you just for looking around, I mean, there's nobody

here. It's startling. It seems to be a vibrant area, Christian area.

WALSH (voice-over): The money USAID spent here urgently tried to curb the spread of ISIS. They gave $50,000 here to help motorcycle taxi drivers

vulnerable to recruitment by ISIS improve their working conditions with paperwork, vests and helmets. Their anger about that help suddenly

disappearing and then us asking questions, clear.

WALSH: Emotions incredibly high here. I mean, you thought about people's livelihoods, really, and a lot of anger.

WALSH (voice-over): The man who ran the project describes how it is the only way to stop ISIS.

KHAMISSA FABIAO, PROJECT COORDINATOR: If they have an opportunity to earn money I don't think they will go into the jungle because nobody wants to

die. When we started this project, I personally recruited many young people to keep them integrated into society. President Trump should have a heart.

WALSH (voice-over): Fishermen, the main workforce here, but also the source of ISIS recruits. We visit a USAID project AIM to at giving them the better

livelihood now shut. 10,000 new arrivals in this camp alone were met with a steep drop in food aid.

SAVIANA NDIWICA, VILLAGER: They come and immediately start shooting. There is war. Beheaded. You flee with nothing. They come and cut your throat.

When you see someone else being killed you flee alone to a safe place.

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Since we arrived here, we sleep on the floor.

WALSH (voice-over): But Mozambique could be rich around the town of Palma, shielded by these fortifications, it's clear that while the Trump

Administration is stripping away aid here. It's also investing, fast and hard, a $4.7 billion loan in March in vast liquid natural gas facilities, a

contradiction where wealth is held up.

By a wave of ISIS savagery, which surged after the USAID meant to calm it vanished. A State Department spokesperson said the U.S. had continued to

provide assistance this year in Mozambique, a majority of which was lifesaving food and nutrition assistance. They added that worldwide, aid

was constantly under review to ensure it meets the needs of the receiving country and the priorities of the United States.

The State Department did not respond to our questions about the resurgence of ISIS following the withdrawal of USAID. Their statement added, the

United States continues to be the most generous nation in the world. This administration is significantly enhancing the efficiency and strategic

impact of foreign assistance programs around the world. We call on other nations to increase in burden sharing globally. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN,

Mocimboa da Praia, Mozambique.

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GOLODRYGA: Australia is reportedly adding Twitch, the live streaming service owned by Amazon, to its upcoming ban on social media for children.

Starting December 10th, Australia will become the first country to bar children under the age of 16 and under from using social media.

Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, X and YouTube are also on the list. Companies that do not comply may face up to 32 million U.S.

dollars in penalties. However, Pinterest will not be added to the list. The eSafety Commissioner says that Pinterest allows for social interaction, but

that's not its primary purpose.

Well, Frida Kahlo El Sueno has set a new record, selling for $54.7 million, that's the most ever for a work by a woman sold at auction. The 1940

painting depicts Kahlo asleep in a wooden bed wrapped in a golden blanket embroiled with vines -- embroidered with vines and leaves.

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Above her rest a skeleton in strings of dynamite crowned with vibrant bouquet. The painting last sold at auction in 1980 for $51,000. And another

work of art has set a record, the most expensive comic book in history. A first run edition of Superman number one sold for a record breaking $9

million on Thursday.

It easily eclipsed the previous record for a comic book, which was $6 million. Superman number one comic was only found about a year ago when

three brothers were looking through their mother's attic after she had passed. She had bought it before World War Two, and had always told her

sons how valuable comics in storage were.

Thanks to our producer, Jason. Our writers who found this story for us. We love it. All right, stay with CNN. I'll have more "One World" after the

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