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Deadly ICE Shooting Sparks Outrage, Protests In Minneapolis; Secretary Noem: Officer Followed Training And Fired In Self-Defense; Venezuela: At Least 100 Killed In U.S. Raid To Capture Maduro; Minnesota Governor Speaks After ICE Agent Kills Woman; Aired 12-1p ET
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ZAIN ASHER, CNN ANCHOR: Coming to you live from New York, I'm Zain Asher.
BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Bianna Golodryga. You are watching the second hour of "One World."
And this hour, we are expecting to hear from Minnesota Governor Tim Walz with an update on the situation in Minneapolis. New details are emerging
after ICE agents shot and killed Renee Nicole Good.
On Wednesday, good had just dropped off her six-year-old son at school when the fatal encounter had happened.
ASHER: Yes. And even if it's cold, tensions have been flaring. You're looking at pictures of a vigil in St. Paul, Minneapolis outside of an ICE
facility. A few hours ago, law enforcement and protesters clashed with some officers firing pepper balls.
Following Wednesday's shooting, Minneapolis police, public schools rather, have decided to close for the rest of the week. Here's what Minnesota
Attorney General Keith Ellison told CNN moments ago.
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KEITH ELLISON, MINNESOTA ATTORNEY GENERAL: If federal authorities are saying they won't even entertain a joint and inclusive investigation, that
is deeply disturbing.
And my question is, what are you afraid of? What are you afraid of an independent investigation for? So, I'm hoping that somebody over there at
the -- the -- and with the federal authorities understands the true damage to justice and the perception of justice that a closed off exclusive
investigation would mean.
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GOLODRYGA: On X, U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance wrote this statement, calling the shooting a quote tragedy of her own making, referring to Renee
Nicole Good.
And on Wednesday, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem claimed that the ICE officer feared for his life and accused Good of committing an act of,
quote, domestic terrorism.
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KRISTI NOEM, U.S. HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: It's very clear that this individual was harassing and impeding law enforcement operations. Our
officer followed his training, did exactly what he's been taught to do in that situation and took actions to defend himself and defend his call --
fellow law enforcement officers.
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ASHER: Meantime, in an interview on CBS, the president's border czar, Tom Homan, argue that it is too soon to dump to conclusions.
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TOM HOMAN, BORDER CZAR: I'm not going to make a judgment call on one video. There was a hundred videos out there. I'm not a -- I wasn't on the scene.
I'm not an officer that may have body cam video.
I -- I -- I'd be -- I'd -- it'd be unprofessional comment on what I think happened in that situation. Let the investigation play out.
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GOLODRYGA: Many have referred to this comment as one of the most measured and professional yet from officials.
Meantime, the past 24 hours have been intense for the Minneapolis community. Several questions remain over how this deadly shooting could
have happened. Much of it captured on both phone and surveillance video.
Brian Abel has the details. And we want to warn you that some of these videos are disturbing.
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PEGGY FLANAGAN, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF MINNESOTA: Folks are angry. They are incredibly upset.
BRIAN ABEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Officials in Minnesota addressing the fatal shooting of a woman in Minneapolis by an ICE agent
Wednesday.
FLANAGAN: Renee Nicole Good should be alive.
ABEL (voice-over): Video from the scene shows officers approaching an SUV that is blocking the roadway. They tell the driver to exit the vehicle, but
she does not, then.
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After the gunshots, the vehicle crashes into a nearby parked car.
A witness said when a man who identified himself as a physician, told the officer to let him administer emergency medical care, the agent said no.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I go check a pulse?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Back up now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm a physician.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't care.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, listen. We have our own medics.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where are they? Where are they?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was very obvious to everyone who had witnessed at all that she would not make it.
ABEL (voice-over): Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem defended the agent's actions, saying he was following his training.
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NOEM: ICE agents repeatedly ordered her to get out of the car and to stop instructing -- obstructing law enforcement, but she refused to obey their
commands. She then proceeded to weaponize her vehicle and she attempted to run an -- law enforcement officer over. It'll -- this appears as an attempt
to kill or to cause bodily harm to agents, an act of domestic terrorism.
ABEL (voice-over): State and local officials, including the city's mayor, reject that.
JACOB FREY, MAYOR OF MINNEAPOLIS: The narrative that ICE is spinning immediately after this was that this was purely self-defense and that the
act by the victim was some sort of domestic terrorism, that, and I'll say it again, is (BLEEP).
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GOLODRYGA: Well, some lawmakers are calling for justice. Minnesota's governor says that his administration will, quote, stop it, nothing to seek
accountability.
Tim Walz is set to hold a news conference this hour.
ASHER: Yes. And our colleague, Manu Raju, spoke to Democratic lawmaker, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, about this dire warning.
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REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ (D-NY): This is now turned into what our greatest fear is and has been for a long time around ICE. That this will be
used as an anti-civilian force. That it has no accountability.
At the end of the day, what we saw today is a murder. And murders in cold blood need to be prosecuted.
I think what we saw today was a manifestation of every American's worst nightmare, which is their government turning into a tyranny.
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GOLODRYGA: So, what are the chances of prosecuting an immigration agent for excessive force? Not that likely is what we are hearing.
ASHER: Yes. Moments ago, Kristi Noem addressed yesterday's incident.
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NOEM: This is an experienced officer who followed his training. And we will continue to let the investigation unfold into the individual and continue
to follow the procedures and policies that happen in these use of force cases.
But let's remember, the events that surrounded what happened yesterday on that tragic situation was that these individuals had followed our officers
all day, had harassed them, had blocked them in. They were impeding our law enforcement operations, which is against the law. And when they demanded
and commanded her to get out of her vehicle several times, she did not.
So, we'll continue to allow this process to unfold and recognize that these law enforcement officers, every single day, put their lives on the line.
They go out and do their jobs. They go out and -- this was an act of domestic terrorism, which is perpetuating -- these policies and procedures
that follow a use of force situation like this are continuing to put in place.
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ASHER: All right. I want to bring in senior CNN correspondent Josh Campbell.
So, we heard Kristi Noem there doubling down on her early accusation that this was an act of domestic terrorism, even though there has been no sort
of concluded investigation at this point in time.
A lot of people are watching her saying that she's simply jumping the gun here and it is inappropriate for her to insert her opinion before there has
been any sort of independent investigation.
Obviously, one of the key aspects of any investigation that's going to take place will be, of course, interviewing the bystanders, looking at
surveillance video and interviewing the officer himself.
The officer really does have to prove that he truly believed that his life was in danger as that vehicle -- as that vehicle sped away.
Just walk us through -- I mean, that's such a nuanced thing. Walk us through how that's -- how he's going to have to prove that.
JOSH CAMPBELL, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Well, your point first about the - - the DHS secretary is so critical here because she is the leader of the Department of Homeland Security. And she's essentially saying two things at
the same time, two conflicting things.
On one hand, she's saying that the agent was innocent. She actually came out very quickly, exonerated the agent, said that he acted within
protocols, that he was justified in what he did.
But then the second thing she's saying is, there will be a thorough investigation. You can't have it both ways. There is either a thorough
investigation that leads to a conclusion or you start with the conclusion from the beginning without actually gathering the facts. That is the big
question here is what will be the thoroughness of the investigation.
To your point about the agent, it is worth pointing out that federal agents, they have wide latitude, you know, wide powers here in the U.S. in
order to conduct investigations, and at times, in order to use deadly force if they find themselves in a violent situation.
But you're spot on the noting that that agent has to articulate that I was in fear for my life, that this person posed an imminent threat to me or to
someone else.
And, you know, under policy, if there's a vehicle that's being used as a weapon, that can be a reason for an officer to use deadly force.
But in this case, if you look at that video, which we've watched multiple times to analyze, it's apparent from that video that there were other
options that may have been available to that agent such as getting out of the way of that moving car.
In fact, law enforcement across the country is trained to do just that. Don't put yourself in that situation unless you're dealing with a violent
threat that you have to immediately stop. Here, there's no indication that she was, which is why, obviously, this has become so controversial.
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GOLODRYGA: Yes. And, Josh, in terms of the likelihood of this going to trial, I mean, a lot of deference is given to the police officers,
understandably when they're put in situations like this in very risky situations.
They are trained, of course, and there have been a number of law enforcement agents who have been on our show, our network saying that there
are certain things that they saw procedurally done by this ICE officer that -- that they said is not in accordance with training, most specifically
standing in front of the vehicle.
That having been said, we have all the time in the world to analyze, to slow down video, to look at it repeatedly, to Monday morning quarterback.
This happens within a matter of a second or two.
So just talk about the legal liability that this officer could be facing.
CAMPBELL: Yes. It's an important question because any agent out there, if they make the determination that they're going to use deadly force, they
know that there usually could be consequences for doing so. And so they have to do things by the book. They have to do things consistent with their
training.
I think the problem here is that this is not the first instance that we've seen a questionable use of force incident by an immigration officer as part
of this surge across the country by President Donald Trump.
And one thing to note is, you know, I'm -- I'm not a betting person. I would bet you my next paycheck of this agent will not be prosecuted by the
federal government.
And the reason I say that is because we've seen that pattern over and over in many incidents where the Department of Justice, the Department of
Homeland Security, come out very quickly and say nothing to see here. The agent acted righteously.
And it's the Department of Justice, which is run by a -- an extreme political loyalist of President Donald Trump. And that's not an insult. The
Attorney General Pam Bondi, you know, would say that herself. She's obviously indicated by her actions, by her words, that she's a close, you
know, adherent to the president politically.
And so it's up to her. She has to decide whether or not to bring charges. Is there a world where she will come out and say something that's the
opposite of what the president has already said?
The president took the social media declaring this agent innocent. He said that the agent almost was run over, you know, or was run over, which is
obviously not, you know, shown on the video.
And so if you have the commander-in-chief, her boss saying that there's -- that this agent did nothing wrong, will this Department of Justice file
charges contrary to what the president said? I don't see it.
And the reason I point that out is because we're in different times now where this Department of Justice has been so politicized. Everything is
done with such a political tends to it that -- that's why we see these controversies because law enforcement has great powers in this country. If
they screw up, they're usually held accountable. Here, there was a big question about what accountability even looks like.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. A civil case in prosecution, though, would still be an option in theory. No?
CAMPBELL: Yes.
GOLODRYGA: Yes.
CAMPBELL: It could be. Agents do enjoy broad powers as a, you know, immunity and circumstances. But at the state level, that's a different
question. And we'll have to wait and see whether or not there are actual state charges or as you mentioned, a civil suit brought by the state, which
the U.S. Department of Justice would not have control over.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Josh Campbell, always great to see, my friend. Sorry it's under these circumstances.
CAMPBELL: Thank you. Yes.
GOLODRYGA: And we will bring you that press conference from Minnesota Governor Tim Walz when it happens.
And still to come here in "One World," President Trump lays out a timeline for what's ahead for Venezuela. What he said in a recent interview, next.
GOLODRYGA: Also ahead, scenes from Venezuela, as it mourns its soldiers killed during the raid that captured Nicolas Maduro.
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ASHER: All right. The U.S. Senate has just voted to advance measure that would limit the U.S. president's war powers in Venezuela.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. And a 52 to 47 vote, lawmakers approved a procedural motion that sets up a full Senate vote next week.
The measure would block Donald Trump from further military action in Venezuela without congressional approval.
ASHER: Five Republicans joined Democrats to deliver the rebuke of Mr. Trump just days after the U.S. forces captured President Nicolas Maduro to stand
trial in the U.S.
Separately, as the Trump administration scrambles to map out a long-term strategy for the South American nation, Donald Trump is saying the U.S.
could be running Venezuela for years.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. In a "New York Times" interview, Trump responded to a question about a timeline saying, quote, only time will tell.
ASHER: Now, just in terms of what's happening on the ground in Caracas, the mood is one of uncertainty and anxiety about what lies ahead days after the
U.S. operation that saw the capture of President Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. Protesters took to the streets earlier this week, chanting slogans, demanding their release. They're also calling for their national
sovereignty to be respected.
ASHER: Venezuela's government says at least 100 people died in the U.S. attack. Funerals for soldiers killed were held on Wednesday.
GOLODRYGA: Meanwhile, residents are still reeling from the aftershock after the capitol was rocked by a series of explosions during the weekend raid.
One man says that he was sleeping when he heard a blast and woke up to air full of dust.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The moment the missile hit, I turned around in despair and what I saw was an orange sky. The whole
building collapsed around us. We couldn't get out. We got up. We couldn't even see through the smoke. We grabbed the dogs and we got out through a
small hole and we started calling for help.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): It was a horrible thing. It was 2:00 in the morning. Everyone was sleeping. We never expected any of this.
It's truly a very sad thing. I'm filled with rage because I feel helpless.
Right now, we all feel nervous. We can hardly sleep at night because every noise we hear, we feel like an explosion is coming.
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ASHER: And journalist Mary Triny Mena has more from Caracas.
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MARY TRINY MENA, JOURNALIST: The Minister of Interior Affairs of Venezuela, Diosdado Cabello, reported on the death toll after the three kinetic
strikes that took place on Venezuela.
According to Diosdado Cabello, which is one of the strongest figures within the government, about 100 people died during this event. And a similar
amount resulted injured.
This is the first time that a government official made a reference about the amount of people that were killed.
Meanwhile in Venezuela, Venezuelans are trying to return to their daily routines. They keep stocking on food and medicines. But we have witnessed
less lines in commercial stores such as supermarkets and pharmacies.
Also, people are trying to recover that sense of normality they lost on Saturday. They are trying to get back to their jobs. Also, they are using
public transportation and the subway of Caracas is open.
But the activity is mostly concentrated during the mornings. In contrast, in the night, the streets of Caracas look enter (PH). There are security
checkpoints across the city that are guarding key strategic buildings such as the one of the main oil industry in Venezuela, PDVSA.
And in addition to that, PDVSA announced today that they will engage into conversations with the Trump administration to trade oil, trade high
volumes of barrels of oil.
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They say this agreement will be strictly commercial and it doesn't have something in related to politics within this agreement.
They say they will -- they will use the same method that they use with Chevron, which is the only American oil company still working in Venezuela.
For CNN, Mary Triny Mena, Caracas.
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ASHER: For more, let's bring in former Venezuelan opposition diplomat, Vanessa Neumann. She's the founder of Asymmetrica, a Latin American
business advisory firm, and joins us live now from Madrid. Vanessa, thank you so much for being with us.
I'm sure that you've read this wide-ranging interview that Donald Trump had within "New York Times," where he sat with them for about two hours or so.
Just in terms of your reaction to some of the developments we've seen. I mean, obviously, a lot of opposition figures are incredibly happy about the
removal of Nicolas Maduro. But I think it's clear to a lot of people who are watching this, that the administration has spent a lot of time thinking
about how to remove Nicolas Maduro and planning that out almost meticulously, versus not so much thought going into what happens next, what
happens in terms of the day after.
Even though Nicolas Maduro's removal is a good thing for the opposition, the fact that you now will have the United States essentially running a
third-party country, another country indefinitely, the fact that you have the leader, the vice president, Delcy Rodriguez, serving at the pleasure of
Donald Trump, essentially.
I mean, that's going to give you, even as an opposition figure, some -- some pause there. Just give us your reaction to that -- that side of
things.
VANESSA NEUMANN, FOUNDER, ASYMMETRICA: Thank you for having me on.
And we advise on defense technology, not just Latin America, you know, in this part of the European re-armament.
I would like to say that I think it's -- it's worrisome in that we don't know how long it will last or how far it will go.
What I do see, however, in these phase statements coming out of -- out of the Trump team, is that they are starting to figure out a plan.
Now, this plan of -- and we're not happy with the -- the fact that the Venezuelans on the ground are still living under a dictatorship. As you
pointed out, there's violence, there's repression. You know, dozens of people have been taken, captured, and tortured since -- by Diosdado
Cabello, under his orders and Alexander Granko, who runs counterintelligence since the capture of Maduro.
So, we're seeing some -- you know, they're trying to sort of stick it to Delcy, as I said -- as I said that they were. They're doing exactly that by
repressing the Venezuelan people. So that's a big -- that's a -- that's a big part of what's going on on the ground.
What's concerning -- what's concerning is how long this will last. What's not concerning and provides a bit of comfort is that I discussed a plan
similar to this in 2017, which was the last time I was able to set foot in my homeland.
And I was then -- I was living also in Washington, between Washington and I went -- I went home to visit and see those -- those, you know, millions of
people protesting and how Maduro, you know, the forces ran -- ran them over and shot them at close range.
And I think -- and when I came back, I had some meetings around D.C. and I suggested that what they needed to do was provide a financial stranglehold
to the Maduro regime and then take, you know, pot of money -- put pot of money aside and say, this pot of money will be dispersed when there is a
transition to democracy.
This has been done in other countries. It had been done in Peru. So the model is not -- is not unknown.
And -- and the fact that it's also the fact that you're dealing with the United States, the United States wants that it's part of the national
security strategy. And that aspect is not offensive to most Venezuelans because they wanted out the -- the U.S. and the Venezuelans also want, you
know, Russia, China, and Iran out of that sphere of influence.
Because most Venezuelans view them as part of the problem, as part of the repressive machine that has murdered so many of them and tortured. And then
also that it has -- it has decayed the production capacity.
So it's, you know -- and what is -- what is happening now is -- well, by working through the U.S. and the U.S. selling the oil, what I know for fact
has been happening from my time in -- in London. I'm familiar with some of the people who used to do some of the illegal oil trades out of Dubai and
out of Singapore, buying the sanctioned oil and selling it. I know some of them.
And I know for facts that they complain that, you know, the Maduro regime often was not able to -- to even deliver on those contracts. And because
they were failures to delivery and leaky ships and the oil was sanctioned, they paid like half the price.
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So, if the U.S. sells it, they will get more money. What remains to be seen is whether that money will then be, you know, set aside for -- for this
transitional -- for this transition and -- and the benefit of the Venezuelan people.
It needs to lift all boats. And that's what remains to be seen and how long that will last and how much it will benefit the -- the Maduro's regime.
And my name is Neumann, by the way. Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: And what we -- what we heard, Ms. Neumann, from Marco Rubio yesterday, was that the oil proceeds will -- will be sold at market price,
not at a discounted price.
But in terms of the president saying, time will only tell how long the United States will effectively be running Venezuela and its oil sales, from
your perspective, what is that off-ramp? So, what concrete conditions would signal to you that U.S. oversight is over, has succeeded, and it's time to
switch power over to, you know, in your obviously view -- I'm sorry. We -- we're going back -- we have a number of breaking news stories. So I'm sorry
to break this into our interview with you.
We're going to go now to Ryan Young on the ground in Minneapolis.
RYAN YOUNG, CNN SENIOR U.S. NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: So, look, we're in Minneapolis right now. You see border patrol agents who just surged into
this area. We saw them tackle several different protesters after protesters tried to jump on top of two of the cars, leaving here.
Once that happened, the ICE agents surged this direction. The Border Patrol agents surged in. We saw them physically take two people down to the
ground, hard.
At that point, an arrest was made. At least one person is in custody right now. The agents had just really kind of relaxed their position and going
back in. This has been going on nonstop. This back and forth between folks.
And those who live here in Minnesota have been saying, we're not going to do violence. We're not going to have this confrontation. And then all of a
sudden, as the cars were driving, people tried to physically get in the way.
Now watch this. People are slapping the phone. Look at that. You see? Look, this is the push right here. This is happening as we speak. They're being
told, get back.
The people are upset and they're angry. They're surging toward those officers at the same time. And you see the level of force in which they're
being responded to. This is at least the third time today when we've seen these interactions.
We've also seen pepper spray use several different times. Our crew was covered in the orange mess about two hours ago.
This has really reached the point of -- of intense anger, as people continue to be angry about what happened here yesterday. As they watched
the video, and they believe they saw one of their neighbors being murdered, we've heard that over and over again.
But now after at least an hour and a half of people being upset, and it kind of went away. We thought this was going to be a calm period in the
storm. And then all of a sudden, the flashpoint started again.
This is after Greg Bovino, the leader of the Border Patrol team that's been coming through here actually walked along this line here and really
agitated the crowd. These people are so angry and so agitated.
At every single moment, you can hear them screaming, murderer, murderer. We want you outside of Minneapolis.
We do have a Homeland Security drone over our head as they watch the crowd. They sometimes spotlight agitators. And then you see them tackle the
agitators or the people they think have been getting people upset and angry.
And that's one of the things that the earlier protesters who organized this were afraid of. They did not want people to turn this violent. They were
very happy with the process that had happened here earlier today, but now, it has taken a turn and we have seen this physicality in the last few
seconds that wasn't here earlier.
GOLODRYGA: Ryan Young, thank you so much for your important reporting. We'll have more live from Minnesota after the break.
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ASHER: All right. I want to take you now to St. Paul Minnesota where the governor, Tim Walz is speaking about Wednesday shooting.
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GOV. TIM WALZ (D-MN): Neighborliness and kindness rise to the occasion is - - is go and find out what they're doing there and give some help if you can.
I'd also say last night, we saw Minnesotans meet the moment once again. Thousands of Minnesotans demonstrated last night peacefully. They shared a
message about the reckless ICE mobilization is not keeping us safe and led to the tragedy that the world witnessed once again.
To Minnesota I say thank you. There's strength in numbers, there's power in peace, and what we saw was a beautiful vigil to a life that we're starting
to learn more about.
And I will let those that want to push out false narratives, to slander, defame Renee Good, Minnesotans will tell her life story. Minnesotans will
be there to defend her honor and -- and see this as a -- as a human being, not a moment in time or the callous (INAUDIBLE) that I've watched some
people on T.V. gloss over what they saw.
We've also spent a lot of time talking the last 24 hours about accountability. That means no function of government operates with
impunity. It's when someone's in a position of authority and they commit any act that impacts our people, there has to be another place to turn to
get justice.
Checks and balances. Basic idea, the center of the formation of our country. It's the only measure that protects us from the abuse of
government or federal overreach or tyrannical government.
Yesterday, the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, the BCA, spent the day yesterday attempting to get that accountability. We have learned
that the Trump administration has now denied the state that ability to participate in the investigation.
And I just want to make this as clear as possible to everyone. Minnesota must be part of this investigation.
These are nonpartisan career professionals that have spent years building the trust of the community. There's a BCA force investigations unit that
was created by the legislature, by the people of Minnesota, to provide an independent, consistent and trusted mechanism for investigating the use of
force incidents involving law enforcement officers.
Minnesota has seen our share of these. And what you've seen is, and I have witnessed it during my time, that these professionals have risen to the
moment. They are trusted by people.
People who are not by inclination trusting of law enforcement or government have come to see the professionals at the BCA as true arbitrators that can
get them justice.
The unit is the result of years of scrutiny, public engagement, and bipartisan legislative action. Minnesotans have made it clear time and
again they expect transparency through this process where a police officer uses deadly force.
The BCA commissioner, Superintendent Evans, have earned that trust by delivering on that expectation.
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I think it's clear to everyone as they saw this, that it feels now that Minnesota has been taken out of the investigation. It feels very, very
difficult that we will get a fair outcome.
And I say that only because people in positions of power have already passed judgment from the president to the vice president, to Kristi Noem,
have stood and told you things that are verifiably false, verifiably inaccurate.
They have determined the character of a 37-year-old mom that they didn't even know, don't know. They've determined that the actions are done. I
don't know. I've not used inflammatory terms of what happened. I've asked us to find the answers.
The only way we find the answers is a thorough investigation by nonpartisan professionals. We've delivered that. We've been able to do it. We've earned
the trust. And when I say that the trust of BCA, and I tell Minnesotans the trust of law enforcement here.
Everyone knows globally, certainly here, that George Floyd, who has murdered a few blocks from this site, tore the soul of who we were, but we
healed. We built back trust.
Chief Brian O'Hara came in and took one of the most difficult jobs in America, building back trust in the police force in Minneapolis after Derek
Chauvin murdered George Floyd. And he's earned that. And he's leveled. And he's fair. And he's asking for that.
And so Minnesotans, I will continue to press that we be part of the investigation, that we do the investigation, so that Minnesotans can trust
what the outcome is.
I don't have a predetermined notion. Yes, I saw the video. Yes, I saw that. But a thorough investigation will see what happened before that. It will
take all factors in and it will come up with a fair and just conclusion. And we will accept that.
Very, very difficult for Minnesotans to think in any way this is going to be fair when Kristi Noem was judge, jury, and basically executioner
yesterday. That's very, very difficult to think that they were going to be fair.
With that being said, Minnesotans, we've risen to the occasion so far, but it's going to get challenging. It's going to be challenging because I feel
your anger. The human desire to lash out in this moment is very real.
I can tell you that that is the wish of many people. That they fulfill the wish they want to see us turn on one another, turn towards violence rather
than peaceful reconciliation, rather than peaceful civil disobedience. And we have to do our best to not play into that.
I say this too when I saw yesterday some of the anger, whether it's Minneapolis police, Minnesota State Patrol, Hennepin County Sheriff's
Office, Minnesota National Guard, they are there to protect and serve as it said. They are there to protect Minnesotans.
Throwing your anger at them only inflames this situation. And I know some of you were up at the Whipple building this morning and -- and to the press
who are here. I saw some of this myself. Thank you.
Continue to have access to every single space. Continue to cover this story. Continue to show the world what's out there. I will say it where our
president won't. The press are the defenders of our democracy. You need to be there.
But I also tell folks, protect our Minnesotans who are out there and don't turn the anger to them. This is a brazen use of force. They want us to bend
the knee. They want us to capitulate.
The way we give them what they want is allow them to use this as an excuse to put more troops on the ground. Use them as an excuse to show that these
are violent protests.
And I also witnessed what I think is going to be a pattern over the next few days in the coming hours. As I saw an individual show up there with the
intent to antagonize folks who are peacefully protesting with a bullhorn to scream at them.
And again, the desire to move on that individual is exactly what they want. Because our respect for the First Amendment means we will expect and
respect all opinions.
If this individual is there expressing support for ICE, that's their constitutional right to do so. And they need to be protected. Don't allow
that to be a catalyst to create violence.
We believe in states' rights. We believe the federal government needs to stay out of this. We believe that the situation has gotten worse and less
safe because of their presence.
And I will just say there were two incidents yesterday I saw after this that -- that just tore up my soul. I saw an individual at the scene
identify themselves as medical personnel, a physician, and asked to provide aid. And an ICE agent said, I do not care.
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That lack of humanity was chilling to me. And after this incident happened, and after the tensions rose, ICE agents entered a Minnesota school, causing
disruptions at that school.
I can't say this strongly enough as governor, as a parent, as a teacher, to our elected representatives, Democrats and Republicans, I beg you, I
implore you to tell them to stay out of our schools. This tragedy will be magnified a hundredfold if this fight moves into the hallways of our public
schools amongst our youth. And they're watching us. They're watching us now how we respond.
So I've got a few simple asks, let us, the professionals, handle this on Minnesota soil, this investigation. Deescalate the situation by removing
yourselves from this situation with this 2,000 agents that were put here.
And above all else, stay out of our schools. I'd like to ask you to care, but that might be a step too far for some people, but I know Minnesotans
care.
So we'll protest peacefully. We will win in courts. We will certainly win in the defense of our democracy because the American people see what's
happening here. But the way that we don't win and the way that we lose, if this turns towards violence and allows them to escalate, it cannot happen.
So I ask the grass top leaders out there, the faith leaders, the folks who are on the streets. And in many times, the true leaders are not the elected
officials. They're the folks on the ground.
I beg you, implore you, follow those words of the leaders we've had. I had the privilege of serving with John Lewis. And John talked about good
trouble. I'm not telling you not to find good trouble. But I asked John many times, I said, John, I don't know if I'd have yourself restrained.
Didn't you want to lash out? He said, yes, daily. But he said, I wanted to win this. I wanted to do it right, and I wanted justice to prevail. And to
do that, I knew the only way was to not lash out, to not give in to that.
So to each and every one of you, we're not going to win this through violence. We're going to win it through justice. We're going to win it
through compassion. We're going to win it through Minnesota nice. And we're going to win it by holding every one of these people accountable as they
should for what we've seen on the streets of Minneapolis.
With that, I'm going to turn to Commissioner Jacobson to give you a situation update.
BOB JACOBSON, COMMISSIONER OF THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY: Thank you, Governor. Again, I'm Bob Jacobson. And it is my honor to serve
as the Commissioner of Public Safety.
First of all, again, I want to express my sincere condolences to the loved ones of Renee Nicole Good. Someone has lost their life. And that is not
something that anyone takes lightly.
Minnesotans came out yesterday to express their grief, their frustration, and their anger at this terrible tragedy. I expect that they will continue
to come out today. And I want to thank everyone who demonstrated peacefully. This helped honor Renee's memory and gave her family space to
mourn.
Minnesotans residents and visitors have the right to demonstrate and to exercise their First Amendment rights. I want to remind everyone that there
are safe ways to do so.
Our goal is to reduce tensions, to avoid conflict, and to maintain a calm environment. As I mentioned yesterday, we recommend the following safe and
lawful ways to demonstrate. Please get together peacefully with others in public areas where pedestrians are allowed. March or walk together in
pedestrian areas, please, not on the roadways. Make your voice heard through chants, speeches, and displaying signs.
And there are a few things I just want to mention very quickly that are unsafe. Because as always, our top priority is public safety, and we cannot
allow behaviors that create hazards, threaten public safety, or disrupt emergency services, or endanger people nearby. That would include certainly
demonstrating on the freeway, walking on highways, throwing objects, setting things on fire, property damage, graffiti, fireworks, illegal
weapons, reckless and dangerous driving, or assault of or aggressive behavior.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. You've been listening to the Public Safety Commissioner in Minnesota there, standing next to the governor, Tim Walz,
and addressing the public, really reiterating the point of the -- the urgency now to restore order, to lower the temperature, as this official
here just said, to honor the memory of the woman who was shot yesterday, to not incite more violence.
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Minnesota "Star Tribune" reporter Louis Krauss is outside the ICE facility in St. Paul and has been listening to all of this.
Louis, you are there on the ground. It has been quite a harrowing last 24 hours as there are protesters, demonstrators behind you exercising their
constitutional right. At the same time, as you have law enforcement officials both there locally and nationwide, really asking for the
community to lower the temperature, to march peacefully.
Tell us what you've seen and what you are hearing right now from locals. Are you optimistic that they are heeding those warnings?
LOUIS KRAUSS, REPORTER, STAR TRIBUNE: I think it's a mixed bag. I think you've got some who -- you've seen the dichotomy this morning for myself
when I was over at the scene where Good was shot and killed.
And over there, it was very more mild. There were people who were just crying reading poems written by Good, dropping off flowers, getting warm by
a bonfire, and being very quiet and peaceful.
And over here, it's been a lot more confrontational. You can see there's at least 30 or so federal agents guarding the gates. I saw at least two people
be arrested about 20 minutes ago. Someone, I believe, threw an apple at one of the agents and then got pulled into the facility. Another woman got
tackled and brought into the -- into the building.
So, I would say it's -- it's -- it's got the risk of becoming more dangerous. This is like in my opinion seems very similar to how things were
around the time of George Floyd's killing. And a lot of people are getting agitated with just -- just peacefully protesting. Seems like some people
are visibly and not only just saying, I don't want to just peacefully protest anymore. So it's definitely a concern.
ASHER: And. Louis, there's just in terms of -- I mean we have a lot of people from around the world who might not be familiar with the actual
context as to why ICE agents were on the ground in Minneapolis in the first place.
Just talk to us about the fact that you had this large-scale operation with ICE officers essentially investigating fraud, tighter federally funded
programs, especially linked to Somali immigrants. Just give us that context for our audience, please.
KRAUSS: Sure. So, there was some programs during the pandemic that were intended to get food, meals, and other social services to people who were
low-income. And it -- it turned out that a lot -- that there were a large number of non -- of people in nonprofits and other groups that were
essentially stealing federal COVID relief funds. And so it led to this operation.
More recently, it seems like it just got picked up on even though this has been going on for years with federal funding being stolen. And so, it's
something where now we've got raids of officers going to Somali people and households. Some who have criminal records to arrest them.
But some people are very concerned that they're just racially profiling and tackling people based off their skin color. So, it's become a very tense
situation.
And it's unclear because there's a lot of not -- there's not a lot of transparency in terms of, you know, these people being arrested exactly
what their charges are. And that's something that reporters are like scrambling to figure out is how serious are some of the reasons for the
arresting these people.
GOLODRYGA: Louis, quickly, as a reporter there in Minneapolis, do we know more about why Renee Good was where she was yesterday? Was that her
neighborhood? Did she live in the area? What, if anything, have you learned?
KRAUSS: So, she lived a couple of blocks from where she was shot. We've learned that her partner, I believe -- she had a wife who was in the car
with her and had her young -- maybe a dog in the car. And I know she had a young child.
I spoke with a mother of one of her child's classmates this morning. She described her as a nice lady. They would go on camping trips in rural
areas.
But we don't know much more than that. It seemed that she was trying to block agents from leaving just judging off of being perpendicular, but I
don't know for sure.
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And I think some people are worried if there was any connection to ICE agents being there connected to a nearby school. There was a dual language
Spanish immersion school nearby. So, we're wondering if the agents might have been -- if they were targeting parents, we don't know. But it makes a
lot to figure out about Renee.
GOLODRYGA: Still a lot of unanswered questions here. Louis Krauss in Minneapolis for us. Thank you so much for your reporting.
ASHER: All right. Let's bring in Juliette Kayyem, CNN senior national security analyst and former assistant secretary of the Department of
Homeland Security.
I mean, obviously you've watched the video, I'm sure countless times. Just walk us through how much leeway officers have in that kind of situation in
terms of the use of deadly force. I mean, there's been a lot of questions as to whether it was justified, but your initial take after scrutinizing
the video.
JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Right. So and then look, you could do -- you -- you sort of can choose a frame, depending on
which narrative you want. So, I just want the audience to take a step back how people like me look at this.
Use of force is not an on and off switch. It's a, you know, it's a dimmer that goes up or down. And -- and part of it is contextual, part of it is
what are the options of the public safety officer. Excuse me. And -- and what are the intentions or what are the atmospherics.
So you'll hear people say, well, he thought he was under threat, therefore, he gets to kill her. It doesn't work that way.
In other words, the law enforcement is trained to assume that they need to get control of a situation. So even given the narrative that the Department
of Homeland Security is pushing right now, the police officer certainly had a variety of options to deescalate. He clearly had gotten out of the way of
the car.
And there are rules regarding shooting into cars is generally just favored in a -- in some agencies, it is actually prohibited.
And the reason why is they had the car. They have the license plate. If and -- and they didn't have an arrest warrant for her. If -- if that's the
case, they can just find out where she lives and get her later.
And so every piece of this -- the dialogue that you're hearing politically in the United States is not the dialogue that people who are in public
safety have. We -- we -- we don't talk about it as an on and off switch, but as sort of contextual.
The context I see is that the police officer or the ICE agent had a -- a tremendous amount of opportunities to deescalate and shows each time not to
do that. And that -- and that is where I think Governor Walz was sort of suggesting why we need an interview -- why we -- why they need an
investigation.
ASHER: Yes. And also calling for de-escalation and just for the protests throughout today --
KAYYEM: Yes.
ASHER: -- and the evening to remain peaceful.
All right. Juliette Kayyem, live for us there. We'll be right back with more after this short break.
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ASHER: All right. Before we leave you today, we want to check back in in terms of what's happening on the ground in Minneapolis. Protests and
demonstrations have been going on after ICE agents shot and killed Renee Nicole Good.
The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension says that they have been blocked from investigating Wednesday's deadly shooting.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. This after the FBI told the BCA that they would no longer be allowed to access, quote, case materials, scene evidence or
investigative interviews. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison is now urging the feds to reverse what he calls a poor decision.
And Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem says the officer who shot Good was a 10-year veteran of the agency and is defending his actions.
All right. We'll continue to follow this developing story for you throughout the day at CNN. That is it for us today on "One World," though.
I'm Bianna Golodryga.
ASHER: I'm Zain Asher. Appreciate you watching. "Amanpour" is up next.
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