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Mark Carney: World in the Midst of a Rupture, not a Transition; Trump on Greenland: "We have to have it"; Russia Strikes Ukraine with Drones and Missiles; Iowa Trump Voters Offer Clues Ahead of Midterm Elections; Trump's Threats Spark Uncertainty Across Greenland; Indiana Wins College Football Tittle, 27-21, Over Miami. Aired 11a-12p ET

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CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN HOST, ONE WORLD: Live from London. I'm Christina Macfarlane. This is "One World". Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has

just addressed the World Economic Forum in Davos. He said the world is in the midst of a rupture, not a transition.

His country is literally and figuratively situated between the U.S. and Greenland, which U.S. President Donald Trump desperately wants to own.

Carney's speech focused on the emerging new world order and Canada's place within it. To that end, Mr. Carney has just returned from a world tour to

make trade deals with countries other than the U.S. Here's what he told leaders in Davos just moments ago.

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MARK CARNEY, CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER: It seems that every day we're reminded that we live in an era of great power rivalry, that the rules-

based order is fading, that the strong can do what they can, and the weak must suffer what they must.

And this aphorism of Thucydides is presented as inevitable, as the natural logic of international relations reasserting itself. And faced with this

logic. There is a strong tendency for countries to go along, to get along, to accommodate, to avoid trouble, to hope that compliance will buy safety.

Well, it won't.

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MACFARLANE: Our Paula Newton has been watching on, on all of this and joins us now from Ottawa. And Paula, this was a strong and stark message, and it

received a standing ovation in the room. Just want to get your immediate thoughts.

PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I think Prime Minister Mark Carney and remember Christina, this is a man who campaigned to be prime minister on

the slogan of Trump is trying to break us so that America can own us. This is a speech the themes we have heard before, but this audience and the

context is very different, right Christina?

And at this point, he is trying to tell the world, wake up. You may not like what the United States is doing. You may not like what China is doing.

And I will note he was very careful not to actually articulate who the great powers were or what their rivalry was about.

He just said, look, get over yourselves. Get over the shock and awe. Try and act as you will. And he was making a very clear stand here Christina,

that nations going it alone, trading blocks, going on their own, to make their separate trading deals would not work.

He was arguing for what he called here a third path. I want you to listen now to what he told that audience at the forum. And again, it's not

something he hasn't said before, but it is a different audience and a sharper focus.

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CARNEY: An American hegemony in particular, helped provide public goods, open sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security and support

for frameworks for resolving disputes. So, we placed the sign in the window. We participated in the rituals, and we largely avoided calling out

the gaps between rhetoric and reality this bargain no longer works.

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NEWTON: At that point there Mark Carney admitted Canada's complicity, but saying that Canada is now going a different way. He was very strong in

saying that he believes tariffs against the EU over Greenland are wrong.

And he has a phone call with Keir Starmer of the UK and a meeting in person at Davos with French President Emmanuel Macron again reiterated that he

stands for the territorial integrity and the sovereignty of Greenland, and that it is for Denmark and Greenland to decide what happens to their

territory.

Christina look, if anyone wants to know the obvious here, have a look at a map. Canada shares one of the longest land borders with the United States

and one of the longest maritime borders with Greenland. It is right in the thick of this, and it is getting ready to do a military exercise with the

United States with its aircraft in Greenland.

Canada's position here could not be more complicated. And Mark Carney wanted to make sure that countries knew where it stood and the fact that

they he believes the countries on a multilateral basis should stand together.

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Because they are weakened when they do not stand together. I also want to point out something that we have not heard from global business really. He

called out companies as well, and saying that it was time for not just countries but companies to stand up.

MACFARLANE: Yeah, it's great context. Paula, we appreciate it. Thank you. Well, the U.S. President is doubling down on his threat to take over

Greenland and ramping up his feud with European Leaders. Just hours before he is set to arrive in Davos.

Overnight, Donald Trump fired off a series of social media posts mocking U.S. allies, reiterating his tariff threats, even posting an AI generated

image of himself planting an American flag on the autonomous Danish territory. And in a stunning breach of protocol, Trump shared some of the

private text messages he'd received from world leaders on the matter.

Well, earlier in Davos, the European Commission President warned Washington the sovereignty of Greenland is non-negotiable, and promised an unflinching

response. And it's not just European Leaders weighing in. The Russian Foreign Minister says disunity over Greenland threatens NATO's existence as

a unified block.

And Greenland's Prime Minister went even further warning that the dispute could jeopardize the world order. But the U.S. President remains

undeterred. Here's what he said on Monday night.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: We have to have it. They have to have this done. They can't protect it. Denmark, they're

wonderful people, and I know the leaders are very good people, but they don't even go there. And you know, because the boat went there 500 years

ago and then left, that doesn't give you title to property. So, we'll be talking about it with the various people.

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MACFARLANE: Well, CNN's Richard Quest is in Davos for us this hour. But let's first go to our Nic Robertson, who is joining us live from Greenland.

And Nic, as we've been seeing there with Mark Carney, with President Macron earlier today, a lot of messaging already this morning from world leaders

gathered at Davos. But tell us what you're hearing there from Greenland is and seeing regarding a visible uptick in military activity?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yeah, that message of unity coming from European Leaders from Mark Carney as well, from the

allies of Greenland and Denmark, that sticking to whatever is agreed and discussed about Greenland going forward, that its sovereignty and

territorial integrity is respected.

That's been something that the Prime Minister here in Greenland has been speaking about today at a press conference, saying that was very important.

But he also pointed out for the people of Greenland that they need to be prepared for any eventuality. This is how he framed it.

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JENS-FREDERIK NIELSEN, GREENLAND PRIME MINISTER: It's not likely that there will be a use of military force, but has not been ruled out, yet. This

leader from the other side has made it very clear that is not ruled out. And therefore, we must, of course, be prepared for everything.

But we must emphasize that Greenland is part of the Western alliance NATO, and if there is further escalation, it will also have consequences for the

entire outside world.

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ROBERTSON: And to that point, the Greenlandic government, according to the Danish authorities, requested that Denmark send emergency responders here

to our emergency advisors. They're the sort of people that Denmark deploys for floods, for earthquakes, that sort of thing.

They're being sent here on a mission to Greenland at the request of Greenlandic government, specifically to secure communication points, secure

other strategic points, prepare for potential crisis management and prepare for an -- to put in place an early warning system for the people here.

So, I think that really speaks to the level of concern that exists at a government level. You're seeing behind me here part of the Danish military

effort here. It's part of a permanent military presence. This warship is and others here in in Greenland. They're engaged in these NATO military

training exercises at the moment.

I think this one here is just getting ready to cast off. Another one up there cast off a little while ago. But it's all part of the up-tempo

military presence here. Denmark sent in additional troops yesterday here into a base about 200 miles, 300 kilometers north inside the Arctic Circle.

And the sort of hope, maybe this was a week or so ago, the hope was to demonstrate to President Trump that NATO, with all allies, can provide the

level of security he wants here to see in Greenland. It's not what he's saying at the moment. He wants more than, and that, of course is what

worries people here, and that's what leads the prime minister to still have the cautionary note, noting President Trump hasn't ruled off, ruled out a

military force here.

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And I think, to that point, and what Paula was saying about Canada involved in military training exercises here in Greenland, with the United States,

those training exercises are happening in the very north of Greenland at the U.S. Space Base in Pituffik there.

This training exercise Canada is involved in. And I think for the people of Greenland, any additional presence of U.S. troops, even though it's all

agreed, it's all been planned for that again, will be at this time, at this critical time, an unnerving moment.

MACFARLANE: Yeah, no doubt. Nic, thank you. Standby for us. I just want to turn to our Richard in Davos. And Rich, we were saying earlier that there

was a stunning breach of protocol. Overnight, Trump sharing some of those private text messages with some European Leaders.

One wonders how they are feeling about that today? You have been taking the temperature, speaking to European Leaders there about the possibility of

this Transatlantic Trade War. What are you hearing?

RICHARD QUEST, CNN BUSINESS EDITOR-AT-LARGE: There is a coalescence of views, in a sense. You know you take the fundamental position that there

can be no negotiation over sovereignty. We've heard that today from Von Der Leyen. We've heard it from Emmanuel Macron.

You then listen to what Carney just said on this idea of there being a rupture, not a transition, in the world order, that people going along are

fooling themselves, if you think you can dance with this particular bear, or you think you can actually play nice when the policies are coming?

Well, Christine Lagarde, the President of the European Central Bank, pulls it all together in a sense. At the heart of what's going on is the wakeup

call to Europe she believes. And the President of the ECB says you can fool yourself as much as you like, but, and this is basically a version of

Carney's saying comments, but at the end of the day, now you need to take notice. This is what President Lagarde told me.

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CHRISTINE LAGARDE, EUROPEAN CENTRAL BANK PRESIDENT: OK, I'm going to tell you something, which I hope will be proven right next year. This is a

wakeup call, a bigger one than we ever had. And I think that Europe is going to look at its strength, look at its weaknesses.

Do a, you know, big SWOT analysis, and decide what do we need to do to be strong by ourselves, to be more independent, to rely on the internal trade

that we do with each other, so that we can just not ignore but at least be prepared and have a plan B, just in case the normal relationship is not

restored.

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QUEST: So, the first, like any sort of drama or psychotropic. The first thing that has to happen is the you have to come out of the denial phase

that it's not actually happening. Another thing is what's happening now with Europe. They're coming out of that phase, moving towards action and

acceptance that this is real.

They are going to have to deal with it. And tomorrow, here in Davos, they're going to come face-to-face with Donald Trump. The view of the U.S.

administration people like Scott Bessent is chill, relax. This is a negotiation. However, it remains it's not clear whether that is actually

the case.

Everybody from Europe is just waiting to see, is Donald Trump going to show a maximalist negotiation point and come back to a more realistic position,

or is he really going to try to take Greenland?

MACFARLANE: Richard, we appreciate it. Thank you. Our thanks to Nic Robertson as well standing by there. We will have much more from Nic later

in the hour, when we hear from people of Greenland amid President Trump's pressure campaign to assert U.S. control over the island.

Well, in his latest op-ed, CNN's Stephen Collinson writes, in the showdown over Greenland, Trump has put the security of the Western world and nearly

80 years of common history on the line because he wants to close the world's largest real estate deal and add Greenland to the U.S.

Stephen is joining us now live from Washington. It's clear, isn't it, Stephen, by this point, that the EU strategy of appeasement and flattery

isn't working here? You wrote in your article today that Europe needs to adopt some brass knuckle methods in order to save Greenland. Before we kind

of break that down can you talk us through what methods are at their disposal at this point?

STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN POLITICS SENIOR REPORTER: Yeah, I think the issue here is that, as Scott Bessent, the Treasury Secretary, said at the

weekend, the administration believes that United States is strong and Europe is weak.

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And that Europe will eventually back down, as it did last year when it agreed a trade deal that was really advantageous to the U.S., because it

understands that it relies on the U.S. for defense, and it needed Trump to stay on board with the effort to make peace in Ukraine.

So, it doesn't seem very likely that this newly emboldened American President who seems to believe that American power is so great that he can

do what he wants, is going to back down reasoning with Trump doesn't seem to be working this idea that while the Europeans can show that they can

defend Greenland, is not really answering Trump's question.

Trump's question is, why won't you give me Greenland? Because I want it for the United States. So, I think that is the central issue here. And what

Europe does have the advantage of it doesn't have great military strength, but it has the capacity to increase economic pain for Trump and on

Republicans who might constrain him in Congress over NATO.

It does look at this point that Europe may have to show some of that steel if it's going to get out of this without losing Greenland.

MACFARLANE: And to your point, though, isn't the backstop here that Europe is still so reliant on U.S. defense capabilities. And if that is so, do you

think that Europe are going to respond to what we just heard from Prime Minister Mark Carney there, that this is a rupture, not a transition, of

world order? Or will they continue to sort of be in denial about that fact, purely because they cannot move on this?

COLLINSON: Yeah, I think there's, that's the key question. And, you know, it's true that there's a palpable desire in Europe to do more, to stand on

its own two feet. I think they're finally realizing that the old America is not coming back. This is a country that elected Donald Trump twice, even

when he's moved on from the scene.

America's priorities and instincts have more gone back to what America was like in the 19th century, with tariffs and territorial expansion, rather

than what it is now. So that is the question. Will this go beyond talk tough talk in Davos and various other places? Will the key powers of

Europe, Germany, France and Britain stand together?

Britain has a choice, because it's always tried to straddle the Europe and the U.S. after Brexit, is it really going to go back on the side of the

Europeans and repudiate, really, decades of pro U.S. foreign policy? So, these are big questions. And then you have the issue, all of these

governments in Europe are pretty weak.

The administration recognizes that, because in its national security strategy it says it's going to boost when it can far right Conservative

Parties in Europe. So, will the politicians of Europe make the case to their people that they have to sacrifice to do more in their own defense?

And is that a politically workable position? That's the big question. I think that the administration is betting that it isn't and it can push

Europe around, but we're going to see how it develops.

MACFARLANE: Yeah. And in the midst of all of this grab for Greenland Stephen, we're seeing a maneuver to achieve another goal from the Trump

Administration this week, and that is the establishment of this board of peace for Gaza.

And already you will have seen, you know, the threats beginning against the likes of France. How impossible is it for countries to accept the

conditions being proposed here for membership?

COLLINSON: Well, it looks like you pay your billion dollars and you sign up and Trump basically decides what the board of peace does with veto rights.

Most extraordinarily it seems like, if you read the small print of this, he would remain the president of this board of peace even when he's no longer

President of the United States.

Is he proposing some kind of alternative foreign policy? So clearly, this is an end run around the United Nations, which many of America's partners

can't really run. I mean, this is -- this has become much more than about Gaza, and the fact that, you know, they're inviting President Putin, who's

responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in Ukraine, to join a board of peace.

I think just plays into this idea that Prime Minister Carney and others were talking about today is that Trump is trying to set up an alternative

world order, and that European countries and like-minded other countries need to stand up against it.

MACFARLANE: Yeah, perhaps even a rival to the UN as it's been suggested. Stephen, so great to have your analysis as all. Thank you.

COLLINSON: Thanks.

MACFARLANE: Well still to come, a barrage of missiles and drones lit up the night sky in Ukraine, leaving thousands without power.

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The latest on Russia's unrelenting attacks just ahead. Plus, new developments Iran, as the country undergoes some of its worst political

unrest and violence in more than 45 years.

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MACFARLANE: Moscow launched an air assault on Ukraine overnight. That was the biggest so far this year, unleashing more than 370 drones and missiles

and killing at least one person. Ukrainian officials say hundreds of thousands of homes in Kyiv were without power and heat amid freezing

temperatures.

A majority of the buildings just had their heating restored following a major Russian attack on the city's energy infrastructure. CNN's Clare

Sebastian has more.

CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This was the scene at 03:00 a.m. Tuesday morning inside a specialized cardiac hospital in Kyiv. The footage

provided to CNN by the Director of that Institute. Well, this was an intensive care ward, he said, one patient there waiting for a transplant,

and all of them relying on generator power.

It was the biggest Russian overnight attack on Ukraine so far this month, 34 missiles and 339 long range drones were used Ukraine's Air Force said.

And they knocked out heating from almost half of Kyiv's apartment blocks in subzero temperatures. Most of those had barely had their heating restored

after the last major attack on January 8th.

Caterina Korijanaiky (ph), a resident who lost heating and power in that first attack, told CNN she got power back last week and minimal heating

returned over the weekend, only for her to lose it again on Monday night. Well, about 3,500 department blocks in one area of Kyiv also lost water.

And the attack also targeted critical infrastructure facilities in other regions. And the International Atomic Energy Agency says electrical

substations, vital for nuclear safety, were impacted. All of this raising the stakes, not only for ongoing diplomatic efforts, but for Ukraine's

immediate defense.

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy, seeking greater protection for, quote, real people and real cities, revealing Tuesday that if a recent package of air

defense missiles including U.S. made patriots, had been delayed even by a day, the impact of Monday night's attack, he said, would have been much

worse. Clare Sebastian, CNN, London.

MACFARLANE: A man hunt is underway in Northeastern Syria after dozens of ISIS fugitives escape from prison. Syria's Interior Ministry says the

prisoners escaped while government forces battle with Kurdish Democratic Forces.

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Both are accusing each other of releasing the prisoners. A Kurdish SDF Spokesperson says about 1500 ISIS members had escaped. CNN can't verify the

exact number. Meanwhile, the SDF say they withdrew from a camp holding tens of thousands of ISIS linked families due to international indifference.

Authorities in Iran say they will restore internet access gradually, but national security comes first. That's according to a state news agency.

Iran imposed a nationwide internet blackout two weeks ago amid a violent response by security forces to anti-government protests.

It was the worst unrest since the Islamic Revolution in 1979. Iran's Supreme Leader concedes that thousands of protesters have been killed since

late December. He's calling U.S. President Trump, a criminal for encouraging them, and hinting at U.S. military support. Trump's response to

that was to call for new leadership Iran. CNN's Nada Bashir has more and a warning her report contains graphic images.

NADA BASHIR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Iran has faced yet another day largely without internet connectivity. The monitoring group Net Blocks on

Tuesday reporting that Iran has now been under an internet blackout for more than 280 hours, meaning few people have been able to reach contacts

outside of the country or share video footage from the anti-regime protests which have gripped Iran since late December.

What little we do know, however, gives an insight into the brutal tactics of Iran security forces have violently cracked down on protesters with

reports of live ammunition being used indiscriminately against protesters. Hospitals overwhelmed with those injured and morgues filled with bodies.

While protests quickly gain momentum reports from on the ground suggest that demonstrations have waned in the face of the regime's violent

crackdown. Reuters, on Monday reported that Iran may lift its internet blackout in the coming days, citing a senior parliament member indicating

that the regime may have strengthened its grip on the protest movement for now.

Over the weekend, Iran's Supreme Leader acknowledged for the first time that thousands have been killed since those protests began. Blaming U.S.

President Donald Trump for the deaths after he promised military support for protesters.

Thousands more are also said to have been detained, according to a U.S. based human rights organization with growing fears over the treatment of

protesters currently detained and their eventual fate. President Trump, meanwhile, has said he believes it is time for new leadership in Iran.

But his Iranian counterpart has warned that any aggression directed at the country's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, would be seen as all-out

war. Nada Bashir, CNN in London.

MACFARLANE: All right, coming up, we'll look back on the first year of Donald Trump's second term, the highs, the lows, and all the drama and what

it means for the 2026 mid-terms.

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MACFARLANE: Welcome back to "One World". I'm Christina Macfarlane in London. Here are some of the headlines we're watching today. The World

Economic Forum is underway in Davos, amid tensions over President Trump's tariff threats and his insistence that the U.S. has to acquire Greenland.

U.S. President is set to deliver a speech in Davos on Wednesday.

Denmark, meanwhile, is sending more equipment and advisors to Greenland to bolster its emergency preparedness. It comes as the European Commission

President warned the sovereignty and integrity of Greenland is non- negotiable, and vowed an unflinching response to the threat facing Greenland.

Israel has begun demolishing the UNWRA Headquarters in East Jerusalem after a law was passed banning the activities of the UN Agency for Palestinian

Refugees. Footage obtained by CNN shows police along with enforcement officers from the Israel land authority clearing the property with

bulldozers earlier today. UNWRA condemned the move as an unprecedented attack and deliberate defiance of international law.

Today marks one year since the start of President Trump's second term. Monday night, he boasted quote, I don't think any president has had a

better first year than we've had in terms of success. And a recent CNN Poll tells a different story. 57 percent of Americans believe he has hurt

America's standing in the world.

Well, from public feuds in the Oval Office to an Epstein file, and I.C.E. antic protests, it has been a tumultuous time for the Trump Administration.

In that same CNN Poll, 58 percent of Americans say the first year of Trump's second term is a failure. So, what policies in particular are

driving those numbers?

CNN's John King recently traveled to Iowa, where voters offer some clues on what may happen in the upcoming mid-terms.

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JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF U.S. NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Eversole cattle farm, rural --

KING: How are you?

SHANEN EBERSOLE, IOWA VOTER: It's good to see you.

KING: How are you doing?

KING (voice-over): Calving season before election season.

EBERSOLE: And then they'll calve in a pasture just like this. They're all of our old mama girls.

KING (voice-over): Shanen Ebersole speaks politely, but plainly, there are signs of Trump's Austin.

EBERSOLE: We definitely have choices. We can -- we can say, calm down. We can stay talk nice.

KING (voice-over): Ebersole was a Nikki Haley supporter, but reluctantly backed Trump in the end. Three out of five is her first-year grade. The

economy feels a little better, and illegal immigration is way down, but Trump's big Argentina beef bailout didn't feel so America First, nor does

talk about somehow taking Greenland.

EBERSOLE: I don't agree with that in any way, shape or form.

KING: That's not what you voted for.

EBERSOLE: No.

KING (voice-over): Ebersole's take on Washington, Trump picks too many fights and people in Congress she says, worry too much about money and

power and too little about family farmers or finding compromise.

KING: You're open to voting for a Democrat.

EBERSOLE: Of course, I think that you have to vote for the person that best meets your goals.

KING: The 2026, mid-term stakes here in Iowa are enormous. The state is picking a new Governor, a new United States Senator, and all four of its

House seats, of course, are on the mid-term ballot.

KING (voice-over): Next stop, Des Moines and its fast-growing suburbs.

BETSY SARCONE, IOWA VOTER: There's that saying Trump was right about everything, and that's kind of how I'm feeling right now.

KING (voice-over): This breakfast conversation, our sixth visit with Betsy Sarcone, dating back to August 2023. Her shift beyond dramatic. A DeSantis

then a Haley voter said she would vote for Joe Biden if Trump won the Republican nomination, but she changed her mind.

SARCONE: I think Biden probably changed me more than Trump. I think watching nothing be done, you know, for four years about an open border,

and I think that actually pushed me further to the right to want more law and order to want stricter borders and to want more control over this

country.

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KING (on camera): Back in 2024 Donald Trump won 94 of Iowa's 99 counties. So, it is a steep climb for the Democrats, but Iowa is a fascinating mid-

term test. Do the suburbs swing back the Democrats way, like they did in 2018? And critical in Iowa and elsewhere can Democrats finally claw their

way back to be a little bit more competitive in those critical rural areas? That's a big test in Iowa and elsewhere. Back to you.

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MACFARLANE: That's John King there. Well, let's discuss with my next guest, CNN Presidential Historian, Tim Naftali. Tim, great to have you with us.

There's so many topics to cover here, so I'll just jump straight in, because it seems during Trump's first year back in office that he is intent

on pursuing policies that have really tested America's patience.

I think the pursuit of Greenland perhaps the best example of that right now. The most recent poll we have says that 75 percent of voters oppose the

idea of the U.S. taking control of Greenland. So, first question to you, why is Trump so focused on this or continues to be focused on this?

TIM NAFTALI, CNN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: Well, President Trump hasn't changed since his first term, but his government is different. It's clear

from the memoirs that we were able to read after the first term that Donald Trump had some very bad ideas. And he had experienced professional good

government Republicans around him who found a way to weaken his efforts and-in-some-cases, obstruct them.

And so, though Donald Trump was able to create chaos in his first term, it was limited chaos. It was insignificant, but limited. What we now have is

President Trump without the guardrails. He intentionally created around himself a layer of advisors who are yes people.

They seek to implement his ideas, and many of them share it. This is -- this is also a government of people who believe in the MAGA approach,

whether it's to immigration or to the economy or to international affairs.

So, what we are seeing is unadulterated, unplugged Trumpism, and that is not only shaking the world, it's shaking many of his supporters, not all of

them. He has a core group that still support him, but there are independents who voted for him, and there are some Nikki Haley Republicans

who voted for him, and they're now having second thoughts.

MACFARLANE: Yeah, and it's that enabling culture that you're speaking of that we're also seeing playing out domestically as well because of Trump's

immigration policy in Minneapolis is becoming deeply unpopular.

You know, as I.C.E. enforcement tactics continue to ramp up, how much of a liability is that becoming to the president, even though immigration was a

campaign pledge that he said he would follow through on aggressively?

NAFTALI: Well, if you don't mind, I want to make an even bigger argument. This is not just harmful to the president and his political support. This

is harmful to the Office of the President the United States, to the United States in general, and it's very harmful to our reputation in the world.

When you have a weaponized Department of Justice that no longer calls balls and strikes the way that a professional Justice Department would in a

democracy, people begin to worry about the rule of law, not just here but abroad. Can Americans expect to be treated fairly by this Department of

Justice?

The president has made it clear the answer is no. The president is angry that the Department of Justice hasn't gone harder against his perceived

enemies and against dissent. So, the images that people are seeing of peaceful dissent in Minneapolis being met by violence is troubling, and

these are images we haven't seen since the Vietnam era.

And in the Vietnam era, the American people decided enough was enough. The rule of law should be the most important thing, and all Americans,

including dissenters, should be treated and protected by the rule of law. We're not there yet, but we are moving in that direction right now, and

that is President Trump's fault. That is not the fault of dissenters.

MACFARLANE: Yeah, that is such an important point. And so, interesting for us to hear, I think, from an international perspective, when we wonder how

Americans are viewing this playing out on their streets?

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But when it comes to what Americans care about and what they are focused on with their elections, with what they want from their president, none of any

of this really addresses the core complaint that they seem to have that is occupying American minds and purses right now, which is the lowering of

prices, the cost of goods, the state of the economy?

If this Transatlantic Trade War takes off, and it very well could that we're seeing play out. This situation -- the economic situation is only set

to worsen in the U.S. I mean, we can take a look at the global markets right now, which have obviously clearly rattled by this.

Why does Donald Trump continue to believe that tariff wars are the best strategy when it flies in the face of what Americans are asking on the

economy?

NAFTALI: Well, Donald Trump is a low information leader, and he's also old, and I'm not an ageist, but those of us with grandparents know that at a

certain point, some people's ideas get rather fixed, regardless of the reality around them.

Donald Trump is about to turn 80, and his views of what's good for America are very old and have been disproven. To make a long story short, the

United States has benefited enormously from the international trading and financial system that it helped create, and the cost of dismantling that

system will be greater than the advantages of going it alone.

Donald Trump doesn't believe that, but the numbers are showing it already. The recovery that we were seeing after the pandemic in the years 2023 and

2024 stopped slowed in 2025 why? Because of the imposition of tariffs. The tariffs are not amassing the amount of federal revenue the president

promised, and they're not going to make up for the added the additions to our deficit that will be created by the tax cuts of last summer.

So, the president's economic philosophy is built on sand. Americans would have less of an affordability crisis if mortgage rates were lower. Mortgage

rates will be lower if our inflation rate were lower, both of those things will happen when the president removes the tariffs.

Meanwhile, the tariffs are an affront to our allies, and he is using them as a weapon, as we're seeing in this terrible story of Greenland. The

United States should not be threatening an ally, and the United States isn't in the 19th century, when it used to bully other countries for

territory, but the president, unfortunately, is stuck in the past.

MACFARLANE: Yeah. These issues are not going anywhere, as we know, and it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out during the midterms.

And I hope Tim you will come back and continue to give us your analysis. I could listen to you all day. We appreciate it. Thank you so much.

All right, still to come on "One World", we hear from the people of Greenland amid President Trump's pressure campaign to assert U.S. control

over the island.

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MACFARLANE: Welcome back. European Leaders are seeking ways to de-escalate tensions amid President Trump's increasingly aggressive rhetoric about the

U.S. annexing Greenland. His latest approach is threatening new 10 percent tariffs on eight NATO allies supporting the territory's sovereignty. CNN's

Nic Robertson has more on how all of this is impacting the people who live on the Arctic Island.

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ROBERTSON (voice-over): Greenland's Prime Minister and his people are walking a tight rope at anti-U.S. protests over the weekend in the Capital

Nuke, the biggest yet, trying not to inflame already overheated international tensions.

The prime minister not mentioning President Donald Trump by name, saying we're all standing here together today to show that we're united and we're

not accepting what's happening to us, many here feeling like bystanders to their own destiny.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right now, I think as a generation, we're kind of scared for the future, because it feels like we don't have enough power to make

our own decisions fully.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's scary to think about it, and it's scary at night to try to sleep, and it's the talk of the day every day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A couple days ago, we talked about buying a rifle.

ROBERTSON: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.

ROBERTSON: Yeah, that's serious.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, it is.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): Gun store owners we've spoken with say they're not seeing a spike in sales, but purchases of camping stoves, gasoline, freeze

dried food is going up, driven, they say, by the crazy language President Trump is using, and concerns that events here really are out of their

control.

Now, Denmark's move to have NATO allies train for Arctic security has further angered President Trump, who is threatening tariffs on the

contributing countries.

ROBERTSON: Compared to other NATO partners how tough are the conditions up here?

SOREN ANDERSEN, DANISH JOINT ARCTIC COMMAND CHIEF: It is very, very tough. And that's also why we have to train up here.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): The Danish Commander-in-charge tip toes around the politics of it all.

ROBERTSON: As a NATO Commander, are you personally surprised that a NATO partner could be threatening another NATO partner?

ANDERSEN: I look I'm not going to politics, but I work perfectly together with the U.S. military. We have done that for decades in Bosna, in

Afghanistan, in Iraq, and we do it also today.

ROBERTSON: As a Dane who suffered a lot of losses in Afghanistan, many per capita as the United States is it disappointing to you that we're in this

position?

ANDERSEN: Frankly, it is.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): Yet, even while marginalized, no one here is giving up hope yet --

ROBERTSON: You think this is going to be resolved diplomatically?

SVEND HARDENBERG, GREENLANDIC BUSINESSMAN: I think so. Well, all of us are hoping that that will be solved, and the dialog has started, and I'm

assuming that that will go in a very positive direction for everybody.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): Greenland Born Exec Svend Hardenberg is running point for his mining company to get a minerals and rare earths project

mired in local politics, into production and turning a profit for Greenlanders.

HARDENBERG: We will be paying the Greenland government just on royalties' equivalent to $5.5 billion in that period of time. And then you have job

creation, infrastructure investments.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): He is bullish about Greenland's potential. Sees benefit in Trump's business first style, but even he is staying out of the

red-hot diplomacy.

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ROBERTSON: With the United States help with that development? United States had control in Greenland?

HARDENBERG: Well, that scenario, some would speculate on, I would not speculate on that.

ROBERTSON: You don't think it's even a remote possibility that the United States is going to control Greenland at some point?

HARDENBERG: I don't think so.

ROBERTSON: Why not?

HARDENBERG: It's when I'm looking at how everything is transparent. I don't see that as an option.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): In a land of uncertainty, Greenlanders are embracing what they can control themselves, letting go of tensions on skis

and skates, or escaping the geopolitical strains with music and comedy. Hard reality, no one here is laughing for long, still hoping Trump runs out

of bluster. Nic Robinson, CNN, Nuke, Greenland.

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MACFARLANE: Such a great perspective there, from Nuke. Now, from zeros to heroes, we'll look at the Indiana Hoosiers triumph in the college football

tournament, and what and who propelled them to glory?

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MACFARLANE: The Indiana Hoosiers are celebrating the perfect end to a perfect season. They are the new College Football Champions after their 27-

21 victory over the Miami Hurricanes. It's the first ever title for the Hoosiers, capping an undefeated 6-0 season.

Heisman Trophy Winner Fernando Mendoza had one rushing touchdown, 186 passing yards, and was named the offensive player of the game. CNN's Coy

Wire was there for the action.

COY WIRE, CNN WORLD SPORT: This was the Championship no one saw coming. Two teams overcoming the odds to reach this moment. Miami, looking for their

first national title in 24 years on their home field. Tickets for nosebleeds were around $4,000. Indiana and their Heisman Winning

Quarterback, Fernando Mendoza. Fernando had his moment.

Heisman Mendoza, making his presence, felt sheer will and determination to put his team up by 10 in the fourth quarter, but the Hurricanes jabbed

back. Their super star playmaker, Malachi Toney willing his way into the zone, bringing Miami within three. After an Indiana field goal, Miami would

have a chance to go for the win.

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But it's intercepted by Jamari Sharp, and the Hoosiers pull off the unthinkable. The team that had more losses than any team in college

football history have climbed to the mountain top. I caught up with Coach Curt Cignetti and some of the stars after the win.

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CURT CIGNETTI, INDIANA HOOSIERS' HEAD COACH: Champions made when nobody is looking. Our kids have great work ethic, great leadership. It's commitment

to a worthwhile goal and just try to improve daily. And anything is possible when you prepare the right way and have the right people on your

staff and in the locker room.

JAMARI SHARP, INDIANA HOOSIERS' DEFENSIVE BACK: All year we have been battling having games like this, despite we just watch it in all year.

FERNANDO MENDOZA, INDIANA HOOSIERS' QUARTERBACK: I'm stuttering right now because can't even use words to it. They're my brothers for life, and it's

been the most special brotherhood. It's, I'm so emotional I can't even process it. Usually had both sides cheers, but it's -- I mean, they're my

brothers for life, and it's a special group of guys. Know what I'd do with.

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WIRE: 27-21 is the final the Indiana Hoosiers, for the first time ever, are your College Football National Champions, Coy Wire, CNN, back to you.

MACFARLANE: Great to see. And that is it for us. But stay with us. Bianna is back after the break with more "One World".

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