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ZAIN ASHER, CNN ANCHOR: Coming to you live from New York, I'm Zain Asher.

BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Bianna Golodryga. You are watching the second hour of "One World."

ASHER: Yes. Officials now say the rescue mission in Central Laos where four survivors remain trapped in a flooded underground cave has been paused for

the night.

It comes after one survivor seen here was brought safely out earlier. Rescuers have been squeezing through narrow tunnels to reach the chamber

that they're in.

GOLODRYGA: It's more than 200 meters from the entrance. And rescue teams are still searching for two additional people who are missing.

The CNN team is on site and we will have more later on in the hour.

ASHER: All right. Let's bring in caving expert Anmar Mirza in Bloomington, Indiana. He's been the star of our show for the past hour or so, really

explaining to us what rescuers are going through and what this process is like.

You know, Anmar, I asked you a question, we didn't really have time to get into it in detail before the commercial break. You sort of answered very

quickly because we were up against the clock, but I'd love for you to expand.

You were essentially explaining to me that even though the rescuers know that their plan works, right? Because they've got this one survivor out. I

asked you whether or not they deviate from that at all with the next four.

Obviously, there has to be a process, I imagine of learning, of changing and you sort of have to look at the person who was brought out safely to

sort of see whether they're OK and whether the plan needs to be changed at all.

Walk us through that process, that process of sort of looking at what worked, what can be improved upon in terms of how you rescue the next four

tomorrow morning.

ANMAR MIRZA, CAVING EXPERT: Sure. And, of course, the problem you're running to is that because each person that you're rescuing is going to be

different. Each person's physical condition is going to be different. That has to be taken into account. And the person who's rescuing them is may not

be the same person.

And so these are all variables that have to be closely coordinated amongst the rescuers. And so there has to be a high degree of communication as to

the details that went into the actual rescue itself, so that the next person who is going in to rescue the next person who needs to be rescued

can adapt the situation that they're bringing them out through there.

Plus, they also need to understand the whatever unique conditions that they may have encountered as they're bringing that first person out and -- and

let that next person know this worked or this didn't work or if we did this differently, it may be a little bit more optimal or watch out for this

particular area. This is where we started having some problems, but we were able to work through it.

Those are the kinds of things that can make the plan a lot better. And generally speaking even accounting for the fact that the -- the -- it's a

different person that we're taking out with different conditions. And it may be a different rescuer who's doing it, the overall plan can get better.

GOLODRYGA: Anmar, we obviously have weather as a factor here as well, the rains, and now at least another seven or so hours before they can start the

rescue operation again tomorrow. Just what are your main concerns now over the course of these next few hours?

MIRZA: So, obviously, the -- the pressure to do something mounts as time goes on. The -- I don't -- I'm not there. I don't know the conditions in

the cave, so I can't speak to that. But if there are deteriorating conditions in the cave, that is a consideration. I -- I trust that the

people who are there have the best information on that.

I also know that with the people themselves in the cave, if they are having medical issues that are deteriorating, that is a consideration.

Ideally, we're -- they're getting fed, they're getting stronger, they're -- they're getting better capable of dealing with physical rigors of getting

out of the cave, and that time helps them in that case.

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But if they have a deteriorating medical condition, then time's working against them. Again, I don't have that kind of information, so I can't

speculate as to that.

If the weather conditions come in and create more of a problem, that also becomes, again, that race against the clock kind of situation. And the race

against the clock is the biggest thing that is going to potentially get somebody hurt or killed.

ASHER: Speaking against, speaking of the race against time, you know, I'm - - I'm thinking a lot about the family members of the two people who haven't been found, because as I understand it, they're outside the cave too,

waiting, and they're watching a lot of these other family members there who know that they're loved ones.

Even though they haven't been rescued the vast majority of them, they know that at least four of them are obviously still alive. You've got one person

who has been taking out the cave safely.

And so for them, obviously, there's mixed emotions, you know, they're obviously happy to see that, you know, loved ones of these five being

reunited, some today, some tomorrow. But, of course, there is a lot of fear about what that means for these last two.

What about the rescue efforts and the search efforts for them? After all of this is over, is that going to continue for them? How does that work?

MIRZA: As -- I'm certain that the -- the search efforts will continue until the -- the people are found. We will always hold out hope that they will be

found alive.

But as time goes on, the odds of that go down. And unfortunately, it is just simple fact that between the -- the -- where they potentially are in

the cave and just the fact that they haven't been able to eat for a while, it -- it does put the odds against them. But as rescuers, we always are

going to -- to maintain that level of hope. And that's what drives us to continue on.

The -- it -- it is a bittersweet situation to be outside, knowing that -- that -- that other people have been found and they're OK while your loved

ones are still missing, though.

So you -- you are -- are glad and happy for the people who have been found. But then there's that -- the element in the back of your head that says,

but it's unfair, my loved ones haven't been yet.

ASHER: Of course, I mean, that's -- that's human.

GOLODRYGA: That's completely understandable. And as you said, it is a race against clock. But momentum, at least knowing that one of these survivors

is now out. There are more, hopefully, that will follow suit tomorrow. And, of course, we are still holding onto hope about those other two unaccounted

for right now.

Anmar Mirza, thank you so much for your expertise. I know you've been on with Zain in the last hour. Really appreciate it.

ASHER: Thank you, Anmar.

MIRZA: You're welcome.

GOLODRYGA: All right. CNN is exclusively at this rescue site. This is the moment when our correspondent Will Ripley learn that the first trapped man

was coming out.

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WILL RIPLEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I just want to play for you the last 15 seconds of a phone call that we were just on right

before this live shot with a rescue diver inside the cave. Just as we were wrapping up the interview. Just listen. I hope you can hear it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nineteen years. Uh-huh. They're coming out. They're coming out.

RIPLEY: So --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're coming out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.

RIPLEY: They're coming out, is what he said. So, obviously, it was -- it was kind of chaotic there. We had talked to him for about 10 minutes. He

was explaining to us how they've been working with the villagers trapped inside the cave, actually having them put on wetsuits and train with diving

equipment.

Because even though they've managed to drain some of the water, he said the water levels are still very high. So they've actually had to teach them how

to dive through the water while holding onto the legs of the expert divers that are in there to try to rescue them. They also said the water

underground is ice cold. And so it's obviously very difficult, very perilous.

But right at the end of that conversation, we heard people in the background on the phone call saying, they're coming out, they're coming

out. And then the phone cut off.

So, obviously, they're busy inside the cave right now. We don't have anything official, but you heard it on the phone. It sounds as if somebody

has come out when they've been, -- they've been engaging in this rescue operation for several hours.

So if this is the case, an extraordinary piece of good news. Obviously, still unconfirmed, but you heard it right there. We were on the phone with

the rescue diver inside the cave. It's been an excruciating experience, obviously, for the men inside the cave who went without food for a week.

And now they have been given food. They have been given fresh water. But many of them are starting to complain about health problems, breathing in

the air inside the cave, saying that they feel like their bodies are starting to break down.

And now what they are facing at this very moment in that cave, 800 feet underground, is one of the most arduous climbs that even a very fit person

would struggle with and would take them several hours.

But you're talking about people that have been stuck in total darkness underneath the cave now for 10 days, having to basically swim through icy

water, climb up 45 degree angles just to get to the mouth of the cave.

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There are also family members who've been waiting at the mouth of the cave for any word. We actually spoke with a woman earlier whose husband is one

of the five survivors. And we asked her if she has hoped that she's going to see him possibly in the coming hours.

I just want to play for you a portion of -- of that interview with her.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's the first thing you're going to say to him when you see him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through text translation): What could I say? I'd just be so happy to see my husband again. I'm grateful and proud that people

from other countries came to help us. Thank you.

I'm so excited and happy that I'll get to see my husband again.

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RIPLEY: She hasn't slept she said, in nine days, and she can barely eat. And yet, she has been going up to the cave. She's been hiking up. You can't

see it now because it's pitch-black, but it's a very steep road that they have to walk up or get a ride on -- on heavy equipment every -- every hour

or so. They keep bringing it up and down.

But she's been going up there. She's been bringing food for the rescuers. And they're also sending food down into the cave, hoping that their loved

ones can receive it.

And they've been camping out there around the clock. So this has been really an ordeal, obviously, for the people underground who are now

fighting to come back up to -- to the surface, a very dangerous operation, by the way. Even skilled rescue divers can die in a situation like this,

not to mention people who are weakened after spending so many days in such a precarious and difficult situation.

And yet, that is what's happening right now. A lot of people praying that - - that they can pull together the strength to make it out of this cave safe and alive. And, of course, the search is still continuing for two other

villagers who are still missing inside the cave. We're waiting for official word about them.

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ASHER: The top story, U.S. President Donald Trump is meeting with advisors in the White House Situation Room. Posting on Truth Social, he says, he's

deciding on whether to agree to deal with Iran. A tentative agreement is on the table.

GOLODRYGA: The president goes on to say the Strait of Hormuz must be opened immediately and Iran must agree never to have a nuclear weapon.

Let's bring in CNN's Matthew Chance. So we hear these comments now from the president as he's meeting with advisors in the Situation Room.

Matthew, have we had a chance to hear from the Iranian side and spokespersons in response to these latest comments from the president?

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CHIEF GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well, no, not -- not since President Trump made that social media post saying that he was

going inside the Situation Room to -- to make a decision about whether he was going to go ahead with this preliminary deal, this memorandum of

understanding to at least bring the war to the end, so that the other sort of much more sensitive issues could be explored.

But there's -- there was a remark -- there were remarks earlier today from the main Iranian negotiator, Mohammad Ghalibaf, who's the speaker of the

Iranian Parliament.

And -- and he was talking. I mean, he said a lot of things. But one of the things he said is that, you know, words and guarantees don't matter to us.

And I'm slightly paraphrasing him. Words and guarantees don't matter to us, only actions matter.

And so that's perhaps, you know, the attitude with which many Iranians, particularly Iranian negotiators and Iranian officials are watching the --

the -- the hours and the minutes ahead, while President Trump -- Trump deliberates on -- on what he will do because they -- they've been in this

situation before. We've all been in this situation before where, you know, a deal is on the brink of being approved, but then the last minute,

President Trump says that it doesn't meet his high standards for a deal.

And that may be the same this time, but obviously, there's a great deal of -- of hope that it will be different this time, and that President Trump

will essentially sign off on all of those terms that we've heard about so much over the past few weeks since negotiators began trying to hammer out a

memorandum of understanding.

GOLODRYGA: Right. Pressure on ending this war, but under what terms? And this speaks to what you and I discussed the other day, Matthew, about the

sort of war of words now from either side trying to spin this and to sell it to their own public, to the Iranians and obviously to Americans here at

home as a win.

We'll continue to follow all of this. Matthew, thank you so much.

All right. Russia is receiving major backlash now from NATO and E.U. members after a drone crashed into an apartment building in Romania. Two

people were wounded in the incident.

Galati is a -- is in Romania's southeast just across the border from Ukraine. And the drone was apparently launched as part of an assault on

Ukraine.

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ASHER: According to Romania's defense ministry, this marks the 28th time Russian drones have breached the country's airspace. One American resident

of Romania had this to say.

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STEPHEN EVELYN, AMERICAN LIVING IN GALATI: It's another provocation by the Russians. I don't believe this was an accident. This happened too many

times for the Russians to be doing this by accident. Either that or they're highly incompetent at waging war. But NATO needs to do something about

this.

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ASHER: The U.S. ambassador to NATO calls this a reckless incursion and says, quote, we will defend every inch of NATO territory.

We'll be right back with more.

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ASHER: All right. A U.S. judge has temporarily blocked the Trump administration from moving ahead with plans to create a compensation fund,

but people who say they were wrongly targeted by the government.

GOLODRYGA: The judge has scheduled a hearing in two weeks on the $1.8 billion fund. It's been challenged by people who argue that they would not

qualify for compensation under the plan.

ASHER: For more on this, let's bring in CNN's Katelyn Polantz in Washington.

I mean, Katelyn, let's be honest, this is always on shaky legal ground, right? But just walk us through what we know so far.

KATELYN POLANTZ, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, we don't know exactly what the judge is going to say ultimately, whether it's going to be

on shaky legal ground or it could be something the administration can move forward on.

But for now this fund, it's paused. Judge Leonie Brinkema in the Eastern District of Virginia, so that's Northern Virginia. She had a case before

her, an emergency case from a whole group of different people. One of those people was a January 6th prosecutor for the Justice Department who lost his

job because he had worked on those cases. Another person in the suit is a college professor in California who had been arrested for protesting

immigration enforcement by the Trump administration.

There's also some nonprofits, the city of New Haven said they've been unfairly targeted by the Trump administration. They all went to court and

said to the judge, you need to block this. This money should not be able to go just to people who the Trump administration says was targeted by

Democrat administrations.

And also, this is a violation of the Constitution of Congress being able to determine how federal government funds are distributed. And so the judge

here, Judge Brinkema in Alexandria's federal court, she says that as of now, until she figures this out, there will be no funds that will be

irreversibly dispersed from the Trump administration's $1.8 billion anti- weaponization funds.

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That includes, and she spells it out that no steps can be taken for the creation or operation of the anti-weaponization fund. So no board being

installed there at this time to look at claims and make payments to people. No transferring of money to the fund. No consideration of anyone's claims

that may be submitted.

We already know there are lots of people who were, say, witnesses in the Mueller investigation back in 2016 or 2017, or people who say that they

were Capitol rioters who were unfairly targeted by prosecution even if they had been convicted of those crimes of storming the Capitol and violence

toward police. Those people are also seeking funds.

And then Judge Brinkema says there can be no disbursement of funds from this anti-weaponization effort of the Trump administration at this time.

Like you said though, there will be a hearing in June. And this is only one of a total of five different efforts in court right now, different courts

all over the country, where people are going and saying, hey, this fund, it's not legal. We want the court to look at it.

Now, the Trump administration had tried to set it up so that nothing could be reviewed in court, that this was something that the administration, the

executive branch had total autonomy over, but we are already seeing judges stepping in like Judge Brinkema right now.

And we will wait and see if other judges in other parts of the country make similar approaches to this, put things on hold and to say, I want to look

at this closer to see if it's even lawful.

Back to you.

GOLODRYGA: So -- so, Katelyn, I'm just a bit confused. Is the overriding argument here that this fund is unconstitutional? Or is the concern or the

questions raised by some of these plaintiffs that they aren't entitled to it? Which is it? Or maybe a mix of both?

POLANTZ: It's a mix of both. There's also another argument that is being made in this case that it just wasn't properly put together as something

the administration could do under a law that is for how things should work administratively and procedurally in the federal government.

But when you see cases like this, and this is why there are so many suits at this time, there's going to be a bunch of different claims that people

make, a bunch of different ways to challenge, including saying Congress should have this power and not the Trump administration to determine how

money like this is paid out.

They also will say, hey, this is unfair because we were targeted by the Trump administration. And this says only people targeted by Democrat

administrations can receive funds.

So all of those arguments are going to come into court in different ways. And there's also going to be a lot of different types of people filing

these claims.

In this, you see a city, you see non-profits, you see individuals. There were police officers harmed in the Capitol riot who had sued in a different

federal court. We're waiting to see what happens with their case.

Everybody's going to try and figure out, is there a way to appropriately challenge this in court? And the courts will look at the claims and who's

bringing them to decide whether it can go forward.

We still really are at the very beginning, but all of those different arguments are going to be playing out in different ways before different

judges, potentially on different timelines.

The bottom line right now, though, is that this fund, it can't be put together at this time, and it can't be receiving claims from people, and it

can't be making payments either until Judge Brinkema, at very least, figure something out here.

ASHER: All right. Katelyn Polantz, thank you.

All right. Still to come, stress, as they say, is a killer. But a mindfulness app says it can help. We'll speak with the chief clinical

officer at Headspace.

GOLODRYGA: Plus, a daring rescue deep inside a flooded cave in Laos. We hear from a diver on the dangerous operation to pull out the first trapped

villager. That's next.

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GOLODRYGA: All right. Welcome back to "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga.

ASHER: I'm Zain Asher.

Now, back to our top story. Rescue teams in Laos have pulled one man from a flooded underground cave safely.

Here is a moment of the rescue. There he is being pulled out. The dramatic images we got earlier today.

Officials say the operation though has been paused until the morning. We know that four more people are still trapped in this cave. They're going to

be waiting until tomorrow to back it up.

GOLODRYGA: Yes. CNN team is at the site and says the survivor who was just brought out had some problems with his hand, his foot and his stomach.

The five men were trapped in the cave 800 feet from the entrance for more than a week, some 10 days. Rescuers are still searching for two additional

men.

CNN team is on the scene of that ongoing cave rescue in Laos and spoke with one of the rescue divers in the last hour.

ASHER: One man has been safely rescued and four other known survivors are still inside the cave. Here's Will Ripley and his producer who is

translating what the diver is saying.

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KOCHA OLARN, CNN PRODUCER: He just said that today's -- today's extractions activities will suspend for tonight. They will resume again at 9:00 A.M.

The reasons that all the divers and rescuers are very, very tired. So the guys that he retrieved today has some problem with his hands and foots

because of it's been in the water and a damped area for a long time. And he has some problem at his stomach.

Let me ask the name who was the first one who left.

RIPLEY: Yes, yes. Let's find out his identity.

You're seeing a real time what we normally would do on tape, but this is the miracle right here, translation power.

OLARN: Yes, his name is Moot (ph).

RIPLEY: Moot.

OLARN: Moot. Uh-huh.

RIPLEY: OK. And what do we know about Moot? Is he a -- is he a father? Is he married? Do we have any details about him?

OLARN: OK. He is a son. He is single. And -- and he is with his parents.

Four of them started to have some illnesses already. Some of them have like stomach issues. Some of them have -- have skin issues. And also, the skin -

- the skin at their hands and their feet have some problem because they've been in the damp area for a very long time.

And some of them have intestines issues because they didn't have -- like they didn't go to toilet for a very long time.

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RIPLEY: Man. So, when do they think they might be able to get them out? It's in the morning?

OLARN: He explains that they're trying to start their job in the morning, but -- but it's also pretty much depending on the understandings of these

survivors, the remaining force. He has to see that, you know, how much this survivor understand the procedures diving out of the -- the flooded

chambers.

So he cannot say for a certain if the -- if there will be more tomorrow, how many people would be ready to come out.

RIPLEY: What's the plan if we get heavy rain, which has been the forecast?

OLARN: It depends on how heavy the rain would be. If it's very heavy, they may have to stop for the day. But it's -- the -- the most important thing

is the safety of the rescuers and the rescue divers themselves.

RIPLEY: And what about the status of the two who are missing? Any new information on that?

OLARN: They haven't had any contact with the -- the remaining missing two people. And also, but he suspects that the area where the -- the two might

be would be about 25 meters away. But the -- the challenge would be that -- that area would be even lower than the place where the five will file

originally.

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GOLODRYGA: Will Ripley and our producer, Kocha Olarn, really translating in real time. That -- that is quite stunning. And we are so grateful for their

reporting. We'll continue to be following this developing story as the rescue mission resumes tomorrow morning.

ASHER: All right. It is no secret that we are, of course, living in unprecedented times. And statistics show that over the past five years,

chronic stress among working population has been steadily rising.

GOLODRYGA: Yes. According to the American Psychological Association's stress in America survey, 75 percent of American adults report physical or

emotional symptoms related to stress.

Among the top stressors named by the study, personal finances, inflation and the cost of living, health concerns and the political climate and news

cycle.

ASHER: So, how do you manage when stress has become a defining feature of daily life? Perhaps ironically, with an app.

Last week, Headspace released its eighth annual workforce state of mind report, which found that nine out of 10 American workers were experiencing

mental or cognitive strain on the job. And one-third said it's gotten worse over the past year.

Joining us from Denver, Colorado is Jenna Glover, chief clinical officer at Headspace. Jenna, thank you so much for being with us.

A lot of stress comes from the fact that many of us, you know, our jobs are essentially our identity. You put so much of what -- who we think we are

into our work and our jobs.

What separates leaders who create psychologically healthy workspaces for those of us who do identify with their jobs a lot, I'm going to raise my

hand here, from those leaders who basically sort of create very healthy environments for people to work in?

I mean, obviously there is a difference between both. Give us your take.

JENNA GLOVER, CHIEF CLINICAL OFFICER, HEADSPACE: Yes. Well, I think one of the most important things that I have seen and leaders who really excel in

this area is they don't look at resilience as a soft skill.

Resilience, oftentimes, people think it's just a nice to have, but we really have moved into a time of work where there's so much uncertainty,

there's so much volatility that leaders who prioritize making sure their people are resilient are the ones who I think are seeing the greatest

gains.

So, these are leaders who are checking in and asking people about their stress levels are making sure that their employees take breaks, that they

eat lunch away from their desk, that they check in and make sure that their overall health is functioning well.

Because when we are not focused on those things that -- that keep us well and able to focus, really we just burn workers out. And that's the

difference, I think, in -- in leaders who have people who have longevity versus those who don't.

GOLODRYGA: Right. And you argue that traditional corporate assistance programs are really built for a moment of crisis and get every day as we

see from studies like yours and others. Americans may not be facing a five- alarm fire type of crisis, but there is a level of stress, there is a level of anxiety that seems to be perpetual.

So, how do you go about advising companies to help their employees in those types of situations as opposed to only responding in a -- a massive type of

crisis?

GLOVER: Yes. Too often, we're waiting for people to get to a place where they fall apart before they are given support, which is just not

acceptable, especially when we think of the fact that again, 92 percent of workers are saying they're under daily strain that is impacting their

health and their sleep.

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And so I think some of the important things to consider is mental health is not something that we fix. Mental health is a habit that we need to build

every day, just like physical health.

And so I think really employers need to think about, what are the tools that they're providing and what is the environment they're creating for

their employees on a daily basis that helps support that aspect of mental health and those healthy habits that can support resilience rather than

just wait till somebody gets to a breaking point?

So again, this is things like breaks during the day, making sure that people aren't in back-to-back meetings or that they are constantly on a

screen and that they have time to connect, time to think, and time to learn new skills.

ASHER: Yes. I mean, I -- I don't know if you can see me, but I'm holding on my phone. And I -- every time I check this device, I really worry. I mean,

just what it does to my dopamine levels, my brain health, checking Instagram constantly, the stress that comes from all of the -- everything

that comes from the phone, especially when I do it earlier in the morning.

Rarely do I get great news all the time from the phone. I mean, oftentimes it's things that cause me a little bit more anxiety and a little bit more

stress, you know.

It's also about what you do outside of work. So, for example, for me, I -- I -- I do meditate quite a bit. My good friend, Bianna here likes to run.

That's her form of meditation. She does it almost pretty much every day.

But there are a lot of people who will tell you that, you know, they try to meditate, they close their eyes and they feel nothing. They just have more

thoughts. In fact, it almost causes them more anxiety because they have more thoughts just racing through their head that they can't distract

themselves from.

What do you say to people like that?

GLOVER: Yes. So the first thing I'd say is there is a common misconception that meditation and mindfulness is about calming your mind. And it's not,

it's more about noticing your mind, your emotions, your feelings.

And so it's okay to sit down and have a brief practice where your mind is very busy. Just noticing that, gives you a little bit of space to see

what's going on.

It's often hard to relax, but it is possible for us to take deep breaths and just that small practice alone can be helpful.

What I would say is, also, you don't have to do closing your eyes and breathing to be mindful. The Headspace app, we have a lot of different

exercises. You can do a walking meditation. You can do sipping your coffee meditation.

So there are different ways that you can get the value of mindfulness and meditation without just sitting with your eyes closed.

And with that said, the other thing that I would note is that there are other great activities. So I also -- you know, I'm a runner and, you know,

if -- if sitting and doing mindfulness isn't your thing, there are other ways to build wonderful habits that can support your mental health, like

physical activity or connection or taking time with loved ones away from screens where you're having that meaningful time to just see and be with

each other.

GOLODRYGA: And, Jenna, as much as we knock phones and smartphones, I think there's a whole trend now for starting kids on, there's a can phone where

it literally is just a phone that you dial and punch numbers on and talk to you.

And I was explaining it to my children and it was just like I was speaking --

ASHER: What is that? What?

GOLODRYGA: -- a different language to them. You can't FaceTime? What is that?

But I do want to pick up on something that you advocate for and that is text-based therapy and advice too. So, can you just talk to us about some

of the usefulness that maybe we should focus more on from our smartphones as opposed to being but consumed by a lot of it, which just makes our lives

more stressful?

GLOVER: Yes. My son just used the can phone the other day. So I -- I -- I have seen them under minute off with that.

You know, I -- I think one of the -- I -- I think about use of digital tools like calories and there's digital calories. And just like when we are

consuming food, some calories are better than others.

And so thinking about what is your digital calorie diet on a daily basis and what are you in taking from digital tools that is actually helpful to

your well-being.

We like to think of Headspace as great digital calories, so to speak. So maybe you have had a stressful conversation at work and you're ruminating

about it.

You can open up and message one of our mental health coaches or our A.I. companion, Ebb, and just have a moment, a micro intervention where you can

take 10, 15 minutes to talk through it and get clarity, ground yourself, and have an action that you can take forward where you're not stuck in that

same cycle of rumination, but you're able to move forward with more energy and hopefully more motivation and clarity.

ASHER: All right. Jenna Glover, thank you so much for that. We appreciate it. Chief clinical officer at Headspace. Thank you.

GOLODRYGA: Well, connect over a can phone next time. Thanks so much.

ASHER: All right. After years of living with gang violence and instability, people in Haiti finally have something worth -- worth celebrating.

GOLODRYGA: Yes. Their men's football team is heading to the World Cup this summer for the first time in 50 years, uniting communities with a rare

sense of excitement and hope.

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CNN's Stefano Pozzebon has more.

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STEFANO POZZEBON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This was the moment Haitians held their breath for. Their national team made it to the FIFA

World Cup, the first time in more than 50 years.

It was more than a sports victory. It was some much needed good news for a nation battered by humanitarian crises.

And national team players like Woodensky Pierre don't take that responsibility lightly.

WOODENSKY PIERRE, HAITI NATIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM PLAYER (through translator): I always had in mind that playing for the country was a privilege. And I

would be able to use my talent to help the country.

POZZEBON (voice-over): Gangs have overrun much of the capital, Port-au- Prince, and parts of Haiti's main agricultural region.

In Port-au-Prince, the violence has made it hard to access medical care. Entire families are fleeing. Add to that, it deepens hunger crises and

economic turmoil.

Because of the unrest, Haiti's soccer team cannot even practice at home. But now, there is something to look forward to. A new hope, especially for

younger generations.

SAID ZAVI, 12-YEAR-OLD HAITIAN PLAYER (through translator): I want to play for the national team. My dream is to win a World Cup with the Haitian team

to show others what Haiti is.

POZZEBON (voice-over): It's a dream Pierre hopes is within reach for more and more young Haitian athletes.

PIERRE (through translator): Playing in Haiti and making it up to the national team, this is something to be proud of to be happy. And there's

going to be an opportunity for a lot of other younger talent in the national league to make it to the national team someday.

POZZEBON (voice-over): Haiti's World Cup stint will not solve its problems. But for now, it's given the country something to finally celebrate.

Stefano Pozzebon, CNN.

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GOLODRYGA: All right. That's just a couple of weeks away. Hard to believe, World Cup fever is already here.

Well, that does it for "One World" today. I'm Bianna Golodryga.

ASHER: I'm Zain Asher. Thank you so much for watching. "Marketplace Africa" is up next.

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