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Nepal And China Resume Flood Rescue Operations After Brief Pause; Red Cross: 90K Plus People Impacted by Nepal Flooding; Fed Chair Kevin Warsh: Inflation Figures Are "Concerning"; Young Adults in U.S. Have Staked $5.4B This Year On Kalshi; Israeli Strikes In Lebanon Test Fragile Ceasefire; Jury Resumes Deliberations In Lindsay Clancy Murder Trial; King Harald V Of Norway Dies At 89, His Son Becomes King; Aired 12-1p ET

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ELENI GIOKOS, CNN ANCHOR: Live from Abu Dhabi, I'm Eleni Giokos. This is the second hour of "One World." Welcome to the show.

And our authorities in Nepal are reporting a massive jump in the number of people missing in this week's devastating floods on the Nepal-China border,

killing more than 570 people, while nearly 2,000 remain unaccounted for, including hundreds of foreign nationals.

Our teams on the ground are seeing several devastated neighborhoods. The Red Cross estimates more than 90,000 people have been affected by the flash

floods. And efforts to reach survivors have been complicated. Nepal and China briefly delaying their respective rescue operations due to fears of

secondary disasters.

Now, authorities in Nepal are closely monitoring two lakes. They say that the floods risk will remain in place until those lakes are fully drained.

Meantime, the CNN weather teams, warns, more storms could pop up in the coming days.

I want to bring in our meteorologist, Chris Warren. He joins us now live from CNN Center in Atlanta. Chris, really good to have you with us.

Major complication in terms of getting to people in remote areas, and now you've got the prospect of more rain and possible flooding. What are you

expecting?

CHRIS WARREN, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, with any rain, it will do a couple of things. It'll slow search and rescue efforts down. It makes things

slower. Getting helicopters where they need to be can be slowed down at visibility because of the rain and low clouds come in to -- to play.

And then the heavy rain, upstream or right on top of search and rescue efforts, can make things dangerous. And what we're seeing right now is

exactly what you expect this time of year in the monsoon season with the thunderstorms.

Now, fortunately with this, this heavy rain, and that's these clouds showing us where the heavy rain likely is, including in the red there and

occasionally in purple. But you notice the search and rescue efforts are ongoing right here. There's no rain at the moment. A little bit popping up

here and there. And you just hope that we don't see much rain here.

Now, what can happen is that one, the big storm could pop up and hang out, which would be bad news. So, this is the river valley right through here.

You can see all the way up to the location, the origin of the landslide.

And as we go downstream, you can see all of this area is going to be fed by water that falls within the zone. So water falling up here from a big storm

eventually would come down this way.

And a couple of things going on here. First, the rain itself falling on steep terrain like this can bring with it. If it comes down really fast and

there's a lot of water in there, can bring down more rocks, can bring down parts of more unstable land and earth that is now exposed.

It can also create, if it pushes rocks and debris over here, it can create some more of those smaller lakes. Or if there's a small lake with debris

that's built up, think like a beaver dam or so, could kind of maybe push that out and wash that debris out that created a temporary lake. So, these

are concerns to think about.

Here's the forecast. Now, this is where storms are possible over the next several hours. It's not a guarantee as we just saw of what's happening

right now with the storms that they're going to be hit and miss. That that is what we are expecting, hit and miss. There's not a guarantee that

everywhere in green will get rain, but the chance is going to be there through the weekend. That's pretty much equal chances for getting it. So, a

lot of this is going to have to do with luck.

Now, that being said, your chances for getting rain is just a little bit more likely in the mountains. And you can see with the pattern of these

individual areas here, this corresponds with some of the higher peaks in the mountains because with that airflow coming up from the very warm and

moist and very humid moisture laid in air over the Indian Ocean, coming up, interacting with these mountains, there's more air going up and cooling and

condensing and becoming rain. And this is the pattern we're in with monsoon season here. We're well within that. It's going to be a couple months

before we see the wet season really start to taper off.

So, while this -- Kathmandu is nearby, it's not, you know, right at the location of the search and rescue efforts, the forecast in the whole region

is likely like this. Temperatures will differ with the elevation.

But day after day, showers and thunderstorms, a little light rain might not be too bad, but again, those clouds could hinder the helicopters and the

rescue efforts.

But the other thing is with heavy rain, and you may have heard that people are discussing this as like, you know, wet concrete, which is very, I

think, a good way to think about it. And you can see the mud and stuff with the people that are being rescued here.

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But what's different than concrete is this fact that it's not going to solidify and stay solid like concrete would. So, the muddy scenes that

we're looking at can be reactivated. Unlike concrete, it can be reactivated and be almost like quicksand at times.

So what looks like hard ground over here is running slushy slurry here in other areas. It could really be more like quicksand which makes things very

difficult and dangerous.

GIOKOS: Yes. Very scary prospect. Chris Warren, thank you so much for that analysis.

So, in the meantime, we know that several family -- families are anxiously waiting to find out what happened to their loved ones.

Will Ripley has those details from Kathmandu, Nepal.

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WILL RIPLEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm here at the teaching hospital. It's one of the busiest medical centers here in

Kathmandu. It's also the main intake point for flood survivors and also for the bodies of flood victims.

So, you see this table here. This is incredibly busy right now. More than 1,200 people have registered names of loved ones who are missing.

And if we go over here, there's another concrete pillar with a much, much shorter list of just about 31 names. These are people who've actually been

identified who are survivors who are being treated here at the hospital.

Family members are waiting, hoping that more survivors will be brought in, but obviously, you see the difference between all of the people here with

loved ones who are missing and the incredibly small number of names of those who've actually been identified as survivors.

Still family members we've talked to out here say they are holding out hope for a miracle that their loved ones could be alive, and if they're not,

they at least hope to be able to identify their bodies.

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GIOKOS: Let's go to David Fisher who's in Katmandu. He's the head of the delegation for the International Federation of Red Cross in Nepal. David,

thank you so much for joining us.

I mean, we're seeing some of these devastating images of people being rescued in what is clearly sludge, you're seeing incredibly difficult

situations and scenarios that are playing out right now.

So, what is the Red Cross seeing in some of the hardest hit areas?

DAVID FISHER, HEAD OF DELEGATION FOR NEPAL, INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION OF RED CROSS: Oh, that's exactly right. The -- the Nepal Red Cross has volunteers

all around the country including in -- in all of the affected areas, and so they have lived through this flood even as they are helping their

neighbors.

From the headquarters, we've been able to provide relief items up into Nuwakot which was a very hard hit area where we see many, many people who

have lost their homes, businesses have been destroyed, people are taking refuge in -- in government buildings and schools. And the Red Cross is

providing food and safe water and hygiene items and blankets and mattresses and these kinds of things.

But our biggest concern, of course, are the people in Rasuwa who can only be accessed now by helicopter. So, they've been getting some support from

the armed forces of Nepal in that way, but they need much more. And we need to see those roads open as -- as soon as possible.

Today, of course, there was a -- a fear of a secondary flood that stopped all the relief activity for some time. It has restarted, but just moments

ago, we heard from the field that again the authorities are warning about the risk.

GIOKOS: So, moments ago, another risk coming through. We also know that there is a major concern around more rain across Nepal.

Are you halting rescue operations in some of the more remote areas because of these warnings?

FISHER: No, we're not halting our operations. But certainly, our -- our colleagues are taking the warning seriously and moving up to higher ground

whenever the warnings are coming and they also support the authorities in disseminating that warning.

But all of this, of course, makes -- slows everything down. The -- the -- the trucks -- the -- the truck that we were sending up today was -- was

delayed for hours because of the -- of this -- this -- this subsection secondary flood and the people, they need the aid.

So, we work with what we've got. The -- we're -- we're doing our best and - - but we have to do a lot more.

GIOKOS: David, it -- it sounds like a Herculean task for your teams on the ground for the rescue workers right now. I want to show you this image of a

grandmother that was pulled out covered in mud. She was assisted by heavy machinery. We've got a lot of other images to really depict, not only what

victims are going through, but also what rescue operators have to endure right now.

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When you say you need more, do you need more heavy machinery? What interventions do you require?

FISHER: Well, the -- the most -- the -- the -- I would say like the -- the biggest priority is to get the roads open in Rasuwa. And the authorities do

have a -- a -- a heavy machinery in there that's working.

It's slow work and it's a -- but we're depending on that in order to get, you know, these relief items in.

Luckily, we've been able now to get some more sort of stable communication up with our local chapter there. And we know that they're working hard, but

we want to -- to come in, not only with the items, but also to do a -- a -- a more detailed assessment, which we have not been able to do.

In the longer term, people are going to need to start rebuilding their lives. Please go ahead.

GIOKOS: Yes. And that's a really good point. I actually wanted to mention that because you -- you have explicitly said, we need to look beyond, you

know, survival and ensure that there's sort of long-term thinking about the realities that people and the victims are going to be facing.

You also released a staggering number today that over 93,000 people have been impacted. It shows the scale of this enormous, you know, unthinkable

phenomenon that has struck Nepal.

How are you planning and thinking ahead here?

FISHER: We've -- we've issued an appeal today that, of course, is about the immediate relief of phase and getting relief in the hands of the people

that need it. We need to make sure that they have a stable shelter. We need to make sure that they have safe water. We really don't want people to

start getting sick on top of all of this.

They need to have, you know, household items. And they -- and we need to give people cash. When you're -- you're hitting a disaster like this, you

are best placed to know what you need and it's -- it's just the most efficient way.

And we -- we're -- we're planning to do that if we -- if we get enough global solidarity. And in the longer term, people need hope, not just

survival. And hope means rebuilding. Hope means finding a, you know, a new way of making a living if your business has been swept away. And we hope to

make a bigger impact there as well.

GIOKOS: David, you're right to say global coordinated action is required here. The world is watching. We are rooting for you and your teams on the

ground. We know how tough it is. Thank you so much for all the work that you're doing. David Fisher for us. Much appreciated.

Well, for more information about you can help our Nepal flood victims, you can go to cnn.com/impact.

Federal Reserve chairman, Kevin Warsh, isn't giving investors any clues about his plans for interest rates, but he did say, a short time ago, that

inflation figures are, quote, concerning.

Warsh just addressed economic policymakers from around the world at the Jackson Hole Economic Conference, laying out his vision for the Fed's

guidance to investors.

Warsh said, he doesn't think that the Fed should hint at its plans for interest rates.

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KEVIN WARSH, U.S. FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN: We should not indulge a regime in which market participants are looking primarily to the Fed for their

next trade, a quieter Fed. A more purposeful Fed in its communications is better able to meet its objectives.

And we can be held accountable for delivering on our remit, the only true test of our credibility.

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GIOKOS: All right. Let's check in on the markets. And, of course, there was a lot of jitteriness going in today, because we're waiting to see whether

Kevin Warsh was going to give any forward-looking statement. He said, it's not going to be that.

But he didn't mention a lot about inflation not moving fast enough to hit the target of tow percent. We've got the Dow up slightly. NASDAQ is now in

the red territory, two-tenths of a percent to the downside, S&P flat and slightly negative. That's after we actually saw a good start to the day.

All right. So, moving on and, of course, as the markets are digesting the overall scenario that is playing out with the Federal Reserve, I want to

welcome Kenny Polcari. He is a partner and chief market strategist at SlateStone Wealth. Really good to have you with us, Kenny.

This is not a forward-looking statement. He wants to do away with legacy, and yet, he spoke a lot about inflation, not moving fast enough. He says he

wants to focus on underlying inflation, not headline inflation, but markets are digesting this.

So, what is your overall assessment of what this means?

KENNY POLCARI, PARTNER AND CHIEF MARKET STRATEGIST, SLATESTONE WEALTH: Hi, how are you? And thanks for having me.

My assessment is I thought his speech was good. I don't think he said anything that the market wasn't already prepared for. He's made it very

clear from when -- through his nomination process, that he -- he wants to pull the Fed back from making predictions or trying to force themselves

into a corner or making, you know, monthly speeches about what they're going to do, what the Fed is thinking and where they're going to go with

rates. So, he pulled back from that.

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He also warned that many of the Fed -- the FOMC members, should also pull back from talking so much in the media about kind of what the thinking is.

And I think the market's OK with that. Yes, he talked about inflation. Yes, he talked about his role in inflation, but he did not have a sense.

I did not get the sense from the speech that, you know, we're automatically going to -- they're going to raise rates in September. I don't think it was

a forward guidance at all.

In fact, I'm still in the camp that he does nothing in September, and he's going to let the market work its way up. And we'll see that the long end of

the market, the tenure in the third year, are trading on -- yields -- bonds are going low, yields are going higher. So, in fact, the market is doing a

lot of work.

GIOKOS: So, what is your -- what is your sort of response to saying, he's not going to be doing forward guidance, he's not going to be giving clues

around the Fed stance on interest rates. Is that going to inject uncertainty? Or does it remove speculation?

POLCARI: That's a great question. I think it does both, right? But look, it takes us back to an Alan Greenspan area -- era when he did not come out and

give forward guidance. He wouldn't come out. He'd say, here's what the Fed did, and then he'd allow the market to figure it out.

We got into this forward guidance stuff and holding during the financial crisis, during an app to the financial crisis, because markets were so on

edge that, you know, Fed chairs thought that that was the better way to -- to -- to approach it.

In fact, Kevin Warsh thinks that's not the better way to approach it, that the market needs to do the work and -- and that they are gated dependent

for sure, but he's not going to offer forward guidance and paint themselves into a corner.

So, I actually think it's better. I think the market will be better off. But remember, there's a whole generation of investors and professionals in

this business that came into it during the crisis. And they only know a Fed that holds their hand that tells them everything they're going to do. And

so it's going to be a little bit of an education for those members of -- of the financial -- of the -- of the -- of the group.

But someone like me that's been in it since 1980, for me, it's a throwback to the way it was. I'm very comfortable in that.

GIOKOS: Yes. I remember, you know, the years of Alan Greenspan. I love the fact that you're calling it spoon feeding. You know, a lot of people might

take offense to that.

But let me ask you this, does that mean that you guys have to pull out your crystal balls again? You need to speak to the Oracle of Delphi to find out

where interest rates are going?

Because I have to say, even though he didn't call it forward guidance, trade is already speculating around a potential rate hike come September.

POLCARI: Right. So, what happened was, you have the market interpreting or trying to interpret what they think they heard from him, right? Some people

will tell you that they heard he's going to raise rates in September. I did not hear that.

Quite honestly, I heard the opposite. I heard that he's going to watch the data. He's not painting himself into a corner, and that he's going to allow

the market to really determine and do the work.

So, I'm in the camp that he's going to hold steady. But there are some people that will try to -- will try to say what he -- will try to, you

know, hear what he said and be convinced that he gave them forward guidance.

I don't think he did it all. And that's what makes the market, right? Because buyers and sellers, you hear one thing, I heard something else.

It's interesting because, yes, the percentage now with the, you know, Bloomberg has a 60 percent chance now of a rate hike in September. And

that's up from, you know, the high 30s just a week ago.

So, it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. I'm not the camp that they're raising rates. I don't think he's -- he gave that forward

guidance at all, but that's me.

GIOKOS: All right. Kenny Polcari, great to have you with us. Thank you so much. We will be chatting very soon as we try to decipher --

POLCARI: Right.

GIOKOS: -- the nuances of the Fed chair's messaging. Much appreciated.

All right. To another economic story now. The sums of money young people are staking in online bets is booming in the U.S. and it's all legal.

A new CNN analysis reveals people aged from 18 to 21 have placed wages with almost, get this, $5.5 billion on the Kalshi prediction markets, so far

this year.

The U.S. law doesn't see it as gambling, which is illegal in most states before the age of 21. Online prediction sites are regulated as financial

exchanges, a bit like the stock markets, and anyone over 18 can use them.

Marshall Cohen has more for us.

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MARSHALL COHEN, CNN SENIOR REPORTER: $5 billion, that is the estimate for the trading volume on Kalshi from users 18, 19 and 20. And I'll tell you

why that is such an important cohort. It's because most people don't realize that prediction markets aren't treated as gambling under the law as

it stands right now. They're treated more like the stock market and other financial markets that are 18 plus, while sports books and casinos in most

states are 21 plus.

Critics call that a loophole. Public health experts have spoken out about this and said that they believe it puts younger adults at risk for

addiction and to take risk of your behaviors that could lose them their money.

So, here are the numbers. $5.4 billion in estimated trading volume this year, so far on Kalshi for these 18 to 21 users. And $4 billion of that is

from sports and parlays, which are incredibly popular with sports.

And everyone I spoke to has said that is going to explode in the coming weeks and months because the NFL season is right around the corner.

So for its part, Kalshi insists that it takes this very seriously and that it is always looking out for its younger users. They say that they have

safeguards, that they impose voluntarily on the platform to make sure that those traders are protected. Things like deposit limits and warnings on the

app if the system identifies a problematic trading patterns.

Kalshi also donated $2 million to a group that combats addiction on gambling and trading platforms.

However, the states just aren't buying it. Look at this map. Forty-four states across the country have banded together to push for more regulation

in these prediction markets.

Like I said, they're currently regulated by the federal government and that means they're 18 plus. The states want this to be treated like gambling,

like casinos, subject to state laws, state taxes and that would be 21 plus.

And these are blue states, red states, battleground states. It really spans the entire political landscape.

By the way, CNN has a partnership with Kalshi. We use its data to cover some major events, but editorial employees like myself and others are not

allowed to use prediction sites.

Back to you.

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GIOKOS: All right. Marshall Cohen there for us. We'll be right back. Stick with "One World."

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GIOKOS: Welcome back. You're watching "One World."

Israel has been striking areas across South Lebanon, testing a fragile ceasefire in place there. A CNN crew has witnessed several of these

airstrikes. The Israeli military says those strikes were a response to a pair of explosive Hezbollah drones that were launched at Israel's soldiers

-- Israeli soldiers, rather.

CNN's Jeremy Diamond embedded with the Lebanese Army on Thursday and joins us now from Beirut.

Jeremy, really good to see you on the ground there to give us a bit of insight on what you're experiencing. Give us a sense of what you've heard,

what you've seen and the reality on the ground in Beirut.

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Well, we joined the Lebanese Army in Southern Lebanon for what is a very complicated and dangerous

mission at times for these Lebanese soldiers.

And the conditions in which they are operating is basically in very close proximity to the Israeli military, which is occupying a portion of Southern

Lebanon. We joined these Lebanese Army soldiers to the closest positions that they could get to near to those Israeli soldiers without coming into

potential contact with those troops.

While we were on the ground, we actually did witness multiple Israeli strikes, Israeli artillery strikes at one position in Southern Lebanon and

then we heard Israeli airstrikes at another.

That latest Israeli airstrike that took place yesterday evening resulted in six people being injured, including one child and one woman who was killed.

She had been a bride, married just 48 hours earlier and was killed in that Israeli strike.

The Israeli military, for its part, said it was responding to Hezbollah launching two explosive drones towards its troops and claimed that it was

targeting Hezbollah terrorist infrastructure.

Now, what we also saw were these pilot zones in Southern Lebanon where the Lebanese armed forces have basically taken over territory, some territory

that was previously considered within the Israeli line of control. This has allowed Lebanese residents to return to what are extremely damaged and

bombed out homes in this village of Zawtar al-Gharbiyah.

But just in the next town over, you still have Israeli soldiers. We saw several Israeli tanks in the area and continued Israeli military activity.

But I do want to show you the moment when we saw those artillery strikes that took place in the village of Mansouri very near to that Israeli

military position.

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DIAMOND: Who were first deployed to the south -- and that was some kind of Israeli strike close by.

COLONEL RAJA AMER, LEBANESE ARMY SOUTH LITANI SECTOR: It's an artillery.

DIAMOND: How often are you seeing Israeli military strikes like this?

AMER: It's -- it's continuous. It's continuous in all the area of operation. As I told you since the 27th of June framework agreement, we had

to know more than 5,000 attacks. So ,it's continuous and it's everywhere in all the sector of the responsibility.

DIAMOND: This is what ceasefire looks like?

AMER: This is what's happening. This is what -- this is the ceasefire from their side.

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DIAMOND: And so the continued Israeli military attacks in Southern Lebanon as, you know, which the Lebanese army says are in violation of this

ceasefire agreement, are just one of many challenges currently facing Southern Lebanon and -- and this effort at diplomacy between the Israeli

and the Lebanese governments.

There is also the question of political will on the Israeli side, in particular. You know, the Israeli prime minister has now -- now seems to be

setting his sights on additional Israeli military gains in Southern Lebanon, an area known as the Ali Taher ridge where Hezbollah has military

positions embedded in that ridge.

The Israeli prime minister has indicated the possibility of Israeli military action against that location and more broadly, he seems not

interested in it carrying out any Israeli military withdrawals from Southern Lebanon ahead of the Israeli elections later to take place in late

October.

So all of that is certainly complicating any potential progress on the diplomatic front and also on the ground. No additional pilot zones in sight

for the time being, even as the Lebanese army is now patrolling three pilot zones in Southern Lebanon where they say that they are also dismantling and

recovering any non-state weapons, including weapons held by Hezbollah in those areas, in -- in order for the Lebanese army, the Lebanese government

to begin to reclaim sovereignty in that area, not only from Hezbollah, but ultimately from the Israeli military as well.

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GIOKOS: All right. Jeremy Diamond, thank you so much for that reporting out of Southern Lebanon. Much appreciated for that.

We're going to a very short break. We'll be back right after this. Stick with CNN.

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GIOKOS: Welcome back to "One World." I'm Eleni Giokos, live in Abu Dhabi.

Our top story this hour, Nepal faces a devastating human toll after catastrophic flash floods swept the -- through the country. At least 579

people are now confirmed dead with more than 1,900 still unaccounted for since Wednesday's disaster.

The search for survivors is being complicated by flood waters, mud, and debris which have cut off remote communities.

CNN's Hanako Montgomery is in Nuwakot District, Nepal, at the heart of the devastation and the ongoing rescue operation. Here's the report she filed

just a short time ago.

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HANAKO MONTGOMERY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And Nepali army barracks right now. And we've just seen another helicopter. I mean, one of dozens that have

arrived over the past 30 minutes. And it looks as though people are getting off right now holding some kind of luggage.

We can't tell if these people are survivors or whether these are people of -- of loved ones who are trying to find any remaining survivors.

KAPUR SINGH TAMANG, LANDSLIDE SURVIVOR (through translator): In our village, there are no people left. It's a very difficult situation. The

villagers were scared and ran to get to safety, but didn't know where to go. There's no food or drinkable water, all swept away by the landslide.

MONTGOMERY: These are all relatives of people still missing. And because they can't get in contact with them, they've come here to the army barracks

to give their contact information, their names, trying to see if the people that the army are finding are the same people as their loved ones.

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GEN. RAJARAM BASNET, NEPALI ARMY: Yesterday, only we rescued 900 persons from most affected area. We are trying to intensify the social and rescue

operations, but due to some, you know, the -- the heavy mud due to the flood and another, you know, the challenging factor here in -- is the

weather itself.

MONTGOMERY: The rain.

BASNET: Yes, rain and weather.

MONTGOMERY: Have you seen anything like this? How -- how are you feeling about this disaster?

BASNET: I haven't seen this kind of, you know, the disaster in my life.

MONTGOMERY: So, these people here, they're looking for the names of their family members on these pieces of paper here. And there are hundreds of

names.

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GIOKOS: Jurors are deliberating the case in the Lindsay Clancy trial for a second day. And they're trying to decide if she should be held criminally

responsible for the fatal strangling of her three children in 2023.

The Massachusetts mother admits she killed her children, but the defense maintains, Clancy was suffering from postpartum psychosis and should not be

held criminally responsible.

Time now for The Exchange. Elyse Hershon is a criminal defense attorney and she's been following this case very closely. Elyse, really good to have you

with us and what a moment. This case has basically gripped the country for years, and frankly, the whole world is watching on.

The jury deliberates on closing arguments. What is the single most important legal question do you believe that the jury must answer?

ELYSE HERSHON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Thank you. And thank you for having me on your show. The single question I have to answer is, what was

her state of mind at the time that she killed her children? And did the prosecution prove she was not overcome by mental illness at that time?

So, essentially, this is not about who did it, this is not about who -- how they did it, right? We know that Lindsay Clancy killed her children. We

know she used exercise bands. We know when it happened, where it happened and how.

But figuring out was a premeditated deliberate murder or was she so overcome by mental illness and in psychosis that she could not formulate

the criminal intent to carry it out.

GIOKOS: So, that's really interesting. And I just want to go through some of what we're seeing. So there are five options on the verdict slip --

slip. And now, you know, the -- the question is, can a jury conclude that a defendant was both gravely mentally ill as well as legally guilty? And is

that the central tension at the heart of this case?

HERSHON: It absolutely is and it does overlap. They could compromise and come up with manslaughter. So, manslaughter was added to the verdict slip

before it went to the jury. The jury was instructed on manslaughter as another option.

In Massachusetts, defense attorneys can ask for what's called a lesser included offense to be on the verdict slip if they think it's somewhat in

between a partial verdict or compromise.

Meaning, the jury knows and thinks that the commonwealth proved beyond a reasonable doubt that she did murder her children, but there was a

mitigating factor of mental illness, not enough to completely absolve her of criminal responsibility, but enough to mitigate it down to manslaughter,

which could result in her being free or serving up to 20 years in state prison.

GIOKOS: All right. So, I mean, look, this case has thrust a spotlight on postnatal depression on mental health. And frankly, this case could

influence how courts and the public understand postpartum mental illness.

And it could indeed also set a precedent going forward. I'm sure the -- the jury is also very cognizant of that. The judge is cognizant of that. The

prosecutor, as well as the defense attorney. Take me through these dynamics and what it ultimately means.

HERSHON: Proving for -- for the prosecution to essentially disprove a criminal responsibility case, usually, they can. But this particular issue,

postpartum psychosis, this isn't a case where there was another case here, Latarsha Sanders, that was actually just overturned by the Supreme Court.

She was hearing voices, but they were more voodoo related voices.

Andrea Yates in Texas, 20 years ago, she was convicted of first-degree murder killing her children. But actually, they just undid that conviction

also in the Supreme Court for lack of criminal responsibility.

So, there does seem to be more trending here that it -- postpartum psychosis is a real thing. It's something that is not probably -- properly

diagnosed and evaluated and treated.

We saw that Lindsay Clancy here was seeing a lot of different doctors. She got a lot of medication. She went in-patient. She went to Rhode Island. She

saw five or six different psychiatric nurse practitioners and doctors here. She was looking for help.

And a lot of women have resonated with that struggle where they are not being either taken seriously or treated the right way to help them in this

difficult time after having a baby.

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GIOKOS: Yes, it's a really good point. And, you know, we -- we await the verdict as now today is the first day of full deliberation. And, of course,

Elyse we'll be watching very closely on your thoughts and insights down the line as this story develops. Thank you so much for your time, Elyse

Hershon.

HERSHON: Thank you.

GIOKOS: All right. Moving on now to another story that we're focusing on. Norway's new King Haakon ascended the throne at the Royal Palace in Oslo

following the death of his father, King Harald V.

That happened this morning, the late monarch Harald, who epitomized a modern Norwegian royalty, died after 35 years on the throne. Known as the

sailor king for his love of water and the outdoors. His health had deteriorated in recent days and his death comes at challenging time for

Norway's royals.

Melissa Bell reports.

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MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There have been outpourings of grief in Norway and beyond that news of the passing of King Harald V, a monarch who

was not only the oldest monarch in Europe, but also one who had really overseen a period of great stability in the country, but also modernization

of the Norwegian monarchy as an institution.

He has now succeeded by his son King Haakon who comes with a lot more baggage. In fact, surveys suggest that some of the controversies that have

surrounded his wife and her son, his stepson, over the last few months, may have cost the institution a great deal in terms of its popularity with the

Norwegian people.

Queen's consort, Mette-Marit, was, of course, engulfed in the scandal surrounding the latest revelations from the Jeffrey Epstein files. Her name

mentioned about a thousand times. Some of the exchanges she had with the late sex offender proving pretty embarrassing to the Norwegian crown. And

exchanges and a friendship that she's apologized for speaking of her poor judgment.

She's also been plagued by health worries over the last few weeks. And, of course, there's the question of her son, the king's stepson, who was found

guilty early this year on two counts of rape and several other charges.

He's now appealing a prison sentence, but these are some of the controversies surrounding King Haakon as he has seized the throne in the

wake of a father who was -- will be remembered as much for his stability as for the love and familiarity that he managed to bring between the Norwegian

crown and the Norwegian people.

Melissa Bell, CNN, Paris.

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GIOKOS: All right. Well, thanks very much for joining us for "One World." I'm Eleni Giokos. Stick with CNN. "Marketplace Africa" is up next and enjoy

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