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Tom DeLay Warns on Trump; Likely MH370 Debris Washes Ashore in Mozambique; EU Announces Migrant Aid Plan For Greece; U.N. Agrees to New Sanctions on North Korea; U.S. Forces Capture Possible ISIS Operative; Prosecutors Investigate RIO, Tokyo Olympic Bids; HP CEO Joins Strategy Call to Stop Trump; Republicans Confront Surging Trump Effect; Republican Party's Mission to Stop Trump
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RICHARD QUEST, HOST: For a market that only went up 31 points. Up and down. A bit of a topsy-turvy sort of a day. Eking out a small gain. Not sure why
they are wearing scarfing tonight. Good grief. You don't see that every day at the exchange. Three for the price of one. A robust gavel ending trading
on Wednesday. It is the 2nd of March.
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QUEST: Tonight, we have new pictures of the debris that may be from MH 370. I'll be talking to the man who has discovered them in just a moment.
The doctor won't be seeing you. Ben Carson seems to be winding down his presidential ambitions. And the day after being indicted, former chief
executive of Chesapeake dies in a car crash.
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QUEST: I'm Richard Quest. We have an hour together. And I mean business.
Good evening. Almost two years to the very day that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH 370 vanished. And for the families of the 239 souls on board,
tonight the possibility of a new clue in what has to be aviation's greatest mystery.
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QUEST: We have obtained photos of the pieces of debris that have been found in Mozambique that could be part of the wreckage. Now these are the first
pictures of the debris. They were found by an American tourist Blaine Allen Gibson. If you join me at the super screen I will show you where think they
are. I'll be talking to Mr. Gibson in just a moment.
The feeling is that actually it probably comes from the rear part of the aircraft. It's actually part of what they call the horizontal stabilizer,
this part of the plane. They believe it's -- the piece has been found to have coast 2,000 or so kilometers west of Reunion Island. From there, where
of course we've already found one other piece that come from Reunion. So far they found the flaperon here. Now it seems they may have found part of
the horizontal stabilizer here. And the whole question is whether this part is part of the 777. After all, there has been no record of any other Boeing
777 that has been gone missing.
It will be in line very much with the drift models. Now, this is the search area. It's actually not a circle. It's more of an oblong square just 1500
miles or so off the western coast of Australia. The first piece is found over here. Second piece seems to have been found over here. And it's entire
in accordance with what we know to be the prevailing currents in this gyre of the southern Indian Ocean that would have taken the parts right the way
across.
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QUEST: Blaine Allen Gibson discovered the piece of debris. He joins us now on the phone. Sir, thank you for this. Did you discover it? Was it pointed
out to you? How long has it been in Mozambique, do you know?
BLAINE ALLEN GIBSON: Hello Richard. Well, I don't know, but first I want to give credit where credit is due. The owner of the boat that I chartered
in (inaudible) who took me out to the (Paloma) sand bank was actually the first one to see it and pick it up. And I was very close to him, and he
called me over. And I recognized that it had "no step" written on it. It appeared to be from a plane. I knew it was very important. But it was
actually (Suleman junior Valey) who was the first one to touch it and pick it up.
QUEST: Right, so to be clear. You were with them when they picked it up. It's not as if this was something that had already been found and had been
put into a storage. You were there when it was found on the sand bank.
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GIBSON: Absolutely not. I was - I was with them. I organized the trip. I chartered the boat.
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GIBSON: We went there walking and looking together. And he just happened to be the first one to see it.
QUEST: Right, right.
GIBSON: I was maybe no more than five or ten meters away.
QUEST: So we -- and I give you full credit, Blaine, because you are absolutely saying quite openly that this might not be MH 370. It might be
part of a small plane.
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QUEST: There have been other aircraft that have gone missing in that part of the world. It might be from a completely different aircraft. So you are
not at this point saying that this is MH 370 debris?
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GIBSON: I am not saying that. I am not in a position to say that. I just knew when I saw it that it possibly could be and that it was important to
get it into the hands of the local authorities and the authorities in Australia who are doing the search, the Malaysians who are responsible for
it. I just knew that it needed to be processed. And it is being right now. It needs to be sent to the specialist to identify what it is. It could be
from 370. It could be from any of those other planes that crashed in the area. We just don't know yet.
QUEST: And when we look at this, because we are looking at the drift model now on the screen here, everything we know about the drift is from the
search area west across the Indian ocean. And when you add in the flaperon, it's not out of the realms of possibility, is it?
GIBSON: It's not out of the realm at all. And I met in Australia a man named David Griffin who works with CSIRO who said why does the ocean do
what it does? The ocean, it's like a lottery. Anything can wash ashore really anywhere depending on the current and the drift. It's random.
QUEST: Blaine, the one other thing in all of this -- we've talked -- I mean obviously on this program we've talked a great deal about MH 370. And i
knew you had taken a huge interest in this. Do you agree that the likely resting place of the aircraft is where the Inmarsat data puts it, which is
off the western coast of Australia?
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GIBSON: Personally, I am not qualified to say.
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GIBSON: I do not know much about all the interpretation of the satellites and everything. I do happen to know that there were witnesses in the
Maldives who said they saw a large jet plane that morning. I know that the best minds in the world who are interpreting the Inmarsat data say that
they think it went south off the coast of Australia. And there were some other theories that it went north. I don't know which it is. I hope that if
this does turn out to be from 370 that this can provide a clue as to where it is.
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QUEST: Good to talk to you, Blaine Allen Gibson. Thank you, circumstances for giving us permission to use your photographs and for talking to us on
the program.
Peter Goelz is in Washington former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board and we've always -- Peter, we are always glad
to have you with us helping us through the thicket of this.
If this is 370 - I mean you know to his credit, Blaine is not saying it is, but if it is, what does it add to (inaudible) of our understanding do you
think?
PETER GOELZ, FORMER MANAGING DIRECTOR, NTSB: Well I think it really does confirm that the wreckage of 370 is in the south Indian ocean. This would
be the second confirming piece that would conform to the ocean drift models that you've pointed out. So I think we know that. Other than that, Richard,
I'm sorry it does not lend a lot to solving this terrible, terrible puzzle.
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QUEST: Because obviously it's very hard this far down the road to go back and sort it out. Peter, I want to push forward. Because in the next three
to six months they will have finished searching that most likely zone. We saw on the map the rectangular box. When they finish searching that 120,000
square kilometers, they say there will be no further extension of search. Do you think that makes sense? Or should they be continuing to search?
GOELZ: Well, I've seen a number of the images from the towed sonar as I know you have. And I think - I think there's a growing concern that the
sheer challenge of conducting this search has pushed them to the outer limits. Some of these images are not very clear. There is a growing issue;
maybe they've already missed it. The bottom of the ocean in that part of the world is very uneven and very rough and unchartered. I think they are
making a reasonable decision after two years that until they get some sort of better information; they are going to have to pull the plug on this. The
Australians have spent an enormous amount of money.
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QUEST: And if and when they decide to pull the plug, do you believe it has to be a suspension, be it ever so - for however so long? In other words,
they can't ever simply say we will never look for this again? It is simply too big and important an issue in aviation?
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GOELZ: You are absolutely right. They simply have to suspend the investigation until either technology improves that they can go back and
revisit the search site or they have further bits of information that may surface.
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GOELZ: You know in the NTSB and in the AAIB in England, the investigations are never fully closed. If there is information or evidence that comes up
even after the reports have been written, they reopen the investigation and go forward.
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QUEST: Peter, finally, next week is the second anniversary. Obviously talking to you tonight we're taking the opportunity, but are you more
content bearing in mind the new rules, the 15-minute window of reporting, the new rules that have been put in place that MH 370 could not happen
again?
GOELZ: I am not at all confident that it could not happen again. The new rules have been postponed. Some air carriers are reporting in on a more
timely basis. Many are not. I'm afraid the combination of Air France in the South Atlantic and Malaysia flight 370 have not pushed the International
Aviation Community to make the changes necessarily on a timely basis. So I'm not at all confident that it couldn't happen again.
QUEST: Peter Goelz, good to have you sir, thank you for taking time and talking to us today. We appreciate it.
GOELZ: Thank you Richard.
QUEST: Now we'll continue this evening, we'll return to the field of politics this evening. Super Tuesday is over. The fallout has begun.
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QUES: Some candidates clearly have not survived. And those that are remaining say they are in it for the long haul. It's "Quest Means Business"
it's follow on Wednesday.
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QUEST: The field for the Republican race appears to be narrowing. The Republican hopeful Dr. Ben Carson in his words, he does not see a political
path forward. That's a polite way of saying he's got no hope.
Anyway it all followed after Donald Trump expanded his lead. He had seven wins on Super Tuesday.
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QUES: While Dr. Carson has not officially suspended his campaign, he will skip Thursday's debate in his hometown of Detroit. The Republican field
remains with Trump leading. He has 315 delegates, give or take. Ted Cruz enjoyed three big wins on Super Tuesday. And Rubio won his first state, but
he still only has 106 delegates.
As for the democrats, Hillary Clinton, Senator Clinton, Secretary of State Clinton, she's got so many titles almost halfway to the total she needs to
clinch the nomination. Jim Sciutto joins us from Washington.
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QUES: Jim, help me through the thicket of who is -- never mind surviving or thriving. But who is -- who did what today?
JIM SCUITTO, CHIEF U.S. SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, first victim, in effect of the first Tuesday results, and that is the departure -- the
effective departure of Ben Carson. He hasn't said officially he is leaving the race, but as you say in those words you can read that he is no longer a
candidate for the Presidency.
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SCUITTO: He is not taking place in a Fox News debate on Thursday for Republican Presidential candidates. And just keep this in mind Richard,
because until October last year Ben Carson was the front-runner for the Republican nomination. He was ahead of Donald Trump before his rise. He was
considered at the time a very credible candidate. What happened? One, questions were raised about his by biographical story, you may remember
those things that were brought up in his autobiography. The other thing that happened frankly, were the terror attacks in Paris and then in San
Bernardino here in the U.S. because then national security and foreign affairs experience came to the fore in this case and Ben Carson himself
admitted that as a result of those questions that weakened his candidacy. So in the span of just four months, he goes from the front-runner to being
the first victim in effect of the results of the first Tuesday contests.
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QUEST: How close is Hillary Clinton now to locking this up?
SCUITTO: It's interesting, as always in politics, it depends on who you speak with.
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SCUITTO: I was just speaking with a U.S. Politician who supports Senator Sanders who said he is going nowhere, who said he still has a path to the
nomination. At the same time you heard from Hillary Clinton's surrogates today the not too subtle message, listen, look at the math, look at the
races coming forward, the delegate math, there's really no more path and wouldn't it be a nice thing, an honorable thing for Senator Sanders to get
out of the race. I mean this kind of thing always happens.
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SCUITTO: But by all indications Senator Sanders is not going anywhere soon.
And as you saw there, you know he's behind but he's still got 400 delegates for the nomination.
QUEST: Jim Sciutto who will be helping us navigate the byways and highways of the election over the next few months. Jim, we need you. Thank you.
SCUITTO: Thank you Richard.
QUEST: David Gergen probably knows U.S. politics better than anyone. He advised Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Clinton. A presidential advisor for
all seasons, sir. On both sides of the --
DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Thank you Richard. Not for this season. Who could have predicted this one?
QUEST: Absolutely. OK, so Donald Trump, are you prepared to say he is the presumptive nominee?
GERGEN: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I really do believe history was made last night. You know we spend a lot of time on the entrails of these
politics, you know why do 25-year-old left-handed Lutherans vote this way or that way. But if you look at the bigger picture last night was historic.
For the first time in American history we have a woman who has virtually wrapped up a nomination of a major political party for the presidency. And
on the other side, we have a total renegade who has virtually wrapped up the nomination on the other side.
QUEST: With that in mind.
GERGEN: Yes.
QUEST: I mean, Donald Trump has created something approaching panic within the Republican party, except none of them will admit that it's panic yet.
GERGEN: If they don't admit it, but boy they are very, very nervous. And they don't know what to do.
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GERGEN: Mitt Romney apparently is going to give a big major political speech opposing Trump. I don't know whether that turns anything around.
QUEST: Right. But let me ask you, why have they got this panic?
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QUEST: Is it because they can't - and there's more to my question than just the obvious. Look, he has got out the vote. He increased the vote. It looks
like he potentially could win the election. And maybe it's because they can't control him. Surely, if he is the -- they are going to have to get
behind him?
GERGEN: I think you are going to find there is going to be a split in the party a. Lot of people will get behind him. But in those states where he
runs way behind Hillary Clinton and there probably are going to be some states like that. Anybody running for the United States Senate on the
Republican is going to try to separate out.
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GERGEN: We've already got a variety of signals that that's going to happen, we'll have to see what happens. I think that there is a real danger for the
Republican Party here. How do you walk away from Trump without walking away from his voters? How do you say no to Trump without being dismissive of his
voters and the Republican Party dare not go down that path.
QUEST: You can't do that.
GERGEN: Exactly.
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QUEST: Because, not only -- because he has energized those voters in a way that Romney certainly didn't four years ago.
GERGEN: Exactly, the turnout is up almost everywhere, and those are people very largely coming out for Trump.
QUEST: So at what point - and later on in this program, we are going to hear from Tom Delay who is - who is one of those who has come out and
basically said he'll destroy the Republican Party. Do you believe that?
GERGEN: I don't. I know there's enormous concern in Europe about this and elsewhere around the world. I think the Republican Party is going to
survive this no matter who gets elected. And I don't think it will destroy the Republican Party is more resilient than that. But I do think he poses
certain threats to the internal cohesion of the party.
There are a lot of people in this party who ought to acknowledge the fact Donald Trump wouldn't be here had the Republicans and the Democrats
negotiated some solutions to the country's problems in the months past. This is an indictment of the ruling class on both sides.
QUEST: Which is of course - I mean The Tea Party can hardly now campaign.
GERGEN: Absolutely.
QUEST: And they can hardly now complain that they've got exactly what they have engineered. Not only, also with the primary process.
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GERGEN: I agree with that. Now on the international side I think that -- you see some little signs of this so far, and maybe he can't help himself,
I think he will always be bombastic, Trump. I think he'll always be narcissistic. But I do think he is trying to sort of become a little more
presidential. I think he can be house broken. I think over time you are going to see a more responsible Donald Trump and maybe it will ease some of
these concerns. If he does not, there is going the panic you see in the Republican Party is going to be felt in a lot of different places in the
world.
QUEST: If you're right, then he is -- and I think you may well be, because he knows exactly what he is doing.
GERGEN: He does. He is a lot smarter than anybody --
QUEST: Get the nomination, do whatever you have, and then play the game that you've got to play to win the election and govern.
GERGEN: Absolutely, absolutely.
QUEST: Or are we both just being naive and I'm sure no one has ever - and I'm sure no-one has ever accused you of being naive.
GERGEN: Oh, yes they have. They have indeed, and I have been. I work for Richard Nixon. Let me tell you, I thought for a long time he was innocent.
So please believe me I make (inaudible).
QUEST: We all make mistakes.
GERGEN: Yes, maybe. Well some bigger than others. Listen, I think that -- there is no question that Trump represents a scary prospect for a lot of
people and with good reason. But let's not panic yet. You know, I did go through Watergate. And I can tell you when the country was in crisis, there
was so many who rose to the occasion and acted in the country's best interest.
In the Senate, Howard Baker was a Republican, rose up against Nixon in the courts in the media. I knew Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein and Bradley and
those folks. I was inside the White House and everybody acted responsibly because they realized the country was at stake.
So I do think if it's Trump there's going to be a lot of checks and balances in the system to say you know, we do have a constitution, you've
got to live within certain standards. And I think Trump is a competitive person, I think he is going to want to go down as a decent President. Why -
- otherwise what the heck is he doing, why is he doing all of this?
QUEST: To make America great again. Good to see you. We need your help sir, over the next few months.
GERGEN: You hang in there. I ran laps before I came to see you today to make sure I had your energy.
QUEST: Thank you sir.
GERGEN: OK.
QUEST: Now, this is an extraordinary story. It happened in the last hour or three. Only a day after he was being denied - he denied being involved in
energy bidding rigging the former Chesapeake Chief Executive, Aubrey McClendon has been killed in a car crash.
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QUEST: Breaking news tonight as we bring to you the founder and former chief executive of Chesapeake Energy has died in a car crash.
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QUEST: Oklahoma City Police say Aubrey McClendon was traveling in their words at a high rate of speed. It comes a day after he was charged with
conspiring to rig bids for oil and natural gas leases.
On Tuesday, McClendon released this statement "I have been singled out as the only person in the oil and gas industry in over 110 years since the
Sherman Act became law to have been accused of this crime in relation to joint bidding on leasehold. Anyone who knows me, my business records and
the industry in which I have worked for 35 years now that I could not be guilty of violating any antitrust laws."
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QUEST: The medical examiner has not yet reached a conclusion as to the cause of the death. The Oklahoma Police Department says it did not appear
Mr. McClendon made any attempt to stop before the cash.
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So Captain Paco Balderrama joins me now on the line. Sir thank you for joining us. Just -- can you hear me?
(CAPTAIN): Yes, sir, I can.
QUEST: This is not an easy question to ask you, and I ask it with respect and reverence. But do you believe it was an accident?
CAPT. PACO BALDERRAMA: Well you know, I wish I could answer that for you. But we quite frankly just don't know.
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BALDERRAMA: You know what we do know is that his vehicle was traveling northbound on the indicated street Midwest Boulevard at quite a high rate
of speed. He then went left of center, travelled off road a little bit and then hit a support wall again at a-high rate of speed. We were able to
recover -- this is new information, we were able to recover the black box from the vehicle. So we will be downloading the information as far as how
fast he was going, did he hit his brakes? We have confirmed that he was not wearing his seat belt at the time of impact.
So -- but honestly, we just don't know what happened just prior. I mean he -- we have worked cases such as this one where the victim suffered a
medical episode just before the collision. So what exactly happened we don't know but we do believe that the black box is going to give us more
information.
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QUEST: And of course as much as the black box gives you information, I suppose you do - I mean you know we have to look at this in the realms of
the entire facts that we know and that includes yesterday's indictment, sir.
BALDERRAMA: That's correct. And out of respect for his family and you know people here in Oklahoma we want to be respectful and not draw any
conclusions. We -- everybody knows about the indictment that took place yesterday. And coincidentally he is involved in a fatality accident today.
But we have to stick with the facts as far as what is out there at the scene of the crash. And what information we can get from the black box. And
then in addition to that, hopefully the medical examiner will be able to shed more light into what actually killed him.
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QUEST: Captain, thank you sir. We know you have busy duties and we're grateful that you have spoken to us this afternoon. Thank you sir.
CNN Money's Paul La Monica joins me now. Just so you heard that there, I mean they've found the black box within the car, they can get the data of
whether he braked. He appears to have been driving along the road, leaves the road and hits the embankment.
PAUL LA MONICA, CNN MONEY DIGITAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, of course we do not want to speculate about what happened, what McClendon's frame of mind was.
He sounded like a man who was going to fight and was very defiant in his statement just on Tuesday about this grand jury indictment related to these
lease rigging charges.
QUEST: So tell me, it's in speculation -- further speculation on what happened is neither helpful nor decorous. Tell me what it is he's been
accused of.
LA MONICA: Yes, he's been accused of bid rigging for natural gas wells in Oklahoma.
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LA MONICA: Chesapeake energy was a very aggressive buyer of natural gas and oil assets in the early '90s. He built this company into one of the largest
energy companies in the country. And it's interesting the Captain pointed out you know out of respect not just for his family but also Oklahoma,
McClendon was widely known as a champion for Oklahoma City, and that state brining it - you know out of the funk it was in after that awful terrorist
bombing in 1995.
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QUEST: But this indictment has nothing to do with -- or does it -- with the latest, if you like, shenanigans in the oil and gas industry, falling
prices? Because Chesapeake is one of those that's hurting harder than most, really bad.
LA MONICA: Yes, There were concerns a few weeks ago that Chesapeake may go bankrupt. The company has denied that.
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LA MONICA: Chesapeake really started to struggle before this oil price crash though because natural gas prices were crashing because of
overabundance of supply partly because of what companies like Chesapeake did.
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LA MONICA: He -- McClendon and Chesapeake helped to pioneer some of the horizontal drilling and fracking technologies to get those natural gas out
of places that previously would have been thought to be inaccessible. Once natural gas prices started to plunge, Chesapeake got into trouble and then
you also had the scandal that McClendon where he was found to have been taking personal loans from the company with the collateral being the stakes
he had in some of the gas wells. That's what forced him out. (Inaudible) revolution and McClendon had to step down from the company he founded.
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QUEST: T Boone Pickens today puts out a statement, you may have seen it during the course of the day basically saying, you know very sorry, no man
is without flaws. But "I've known Aubrey McClendon for nearly 25 years, he was a major player in leading the stunning energy renaissance in America.
No individual is without flaws but his impact on American energy will be long lasting."
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QUEST: Why did -- this is a really odd question to ask, but it begs. Look at the share price on Chesapeake Energy today. And it goes up. Why?
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LA MONICA: I'm not sure there is any relation to what happened with McClendon's indictment, what happened, you know with the tragedy that we
just found out about before the market closed about him having passed away.
Chesapeake has been an extremely volatile stock this year because of the turmoil in the oil markets. I don't really want to draw any conclusions
related to the indictment especially since he's not involved with the company anymore. I mean but when you look at Chesapeake I actually tweeted
that before coming on. Look at how they had company did since it would public in 1993 it was the market darling for a long time and Wall Street
love McClendon until they didn't.
QUEST: Paul La Monica we should talk on happier circumstances.
LA MONICA: Yes.
QUEST: Thank you, sir. Tom DeLay is the former majority leader of the Republicans and he is probably and possibly so far the biggest name to come
out and say, "Donald Trump is dangerous for America, and would destroy the Republican Party." You'll hear from Mr. DeLay after the break.
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QUEST: Hello, I'm Richard Quest. There's more QUEST MEANS BUSINESS in just a moment.
Where the man was once the top Republican in the House of Representatives says he's looking forward to a brokered convention in the race to be the
GOP nominee.
And how do I move to Canada? It's trending following Trumps wins. There's one place promising to help Americans do just that. For all of that you're
watching CNN, and on this network the news always comes first.
A piece of debris -- possibly from a Boeing 777 -- has been discovered on the coast of Mozambique. Aviation sources tell CNN, Malaysia Airlines
flight 370 is the only 777 currently missing. That flight bandaged two years ago. Blaine Allen Gibson is one of the men who discovered the piece
of debris. He spoke to me a short time ago.
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BLAINE ALAN GIBSON: (via telephone) It was important to get it into the hands of the local authorities and the authorities in Australia who are
doing the search, and the Malaysians who were responsible for it. I just knew that it needed be processed and it is being right now.
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QUEST: Ben Carson is close to dropping out of the Republican race for president. The retired neurosurgeon has told supporters that he does not
see a political path forward after his poor performance in the Super Tuesday primaries. Although Dr. Carson has not officially suspended his
campaign, he will not attend Thursday night's Republican debate. He's due to give a speech about the future of his movement on Friday.
[16:35:00 ]The European Union is planning on giving Greece more than three quarters of a billion dollars to help it cope with the migrant crises.
Over 120,000 people have crossed into the country this the beginning of the year. The German Chancellor Angela Merkel says she sees tackling the
crisis as her personal responsibility.
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ANGELA MERKEL, GERMAN CHANCELLOR: (through translator) Now the task for the European Union, and we fight for this, I personally fight for this and
thank everyone for the plentiful support despite all the questions that are being raised. But we will manage it in Europe. That we take on this
challenge of globalization according to our values, but also to our ability to secure our borders and still take on humanitarian responsibility.
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QUEST: The UN Security Council has agreed to impose new sanctions on North Korea, which include mandatory cargo inspections, a ban on weapons sales,
and a ban on the supply of rocket fuel. The international community is trying to put a dent in the country's nuclear program after Pyongyang's
recent missile tests.
U.S. special operations forces have detained first suspected ISIS fighter in Iraq as a part of the new mission to kill or capture militant
operatives. The detainee will be handed over to the Iraqi authorities in the coming days. The U.S. Army's Elite Delta force is spearheading anti-
ISIS campaign.
French prosecutor is looking into corruption in athletics. Will investigate the bidding for this year's Rio Olympics and the 2020 games in
Tokyo. The organizers of both games are denying any wrongdoing. The French investigation is so far it focused on allegations of doping in
athletics.
The chief executive of HP, Meg Whitman, is one of more than 50 Republican powerbrokers now planning to throw whatever they can in the way of Donald
Trump's run for the White House. Meg Whitman who spoke on a conference call with Katie Parker who is running in anti-Trump super PAC. These are
the organizations that are not bound by the amount they could spend, public action or political action committees. The goal is to design a strategy to
stop the Republican front runner. So much for where the money is going. The political elite, for example, like Tom DeLay is a Republican who served
as the majority leader in the House of Representatives from 2003-5 and says, "A president Trump would destroy the Republican Party." I spoke to
Tom DeLay earlier and frankly, and it's all a little too little and too late to stop Trump.
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TOM DELAY, FORMER REPUBLICAN PARTY HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER: No, no, no. You know a lot of us thought that Trump would do himself in with all of his
shenanigans, but it's obvious that he didn't. And there's a lot of states still to vote. So now's the time to let people know directly what Trump
will do the party and to the nation. If he creates a trade war with the three major economies of the world that will just throw the Republican
Party into a tizzy and every elected official in America and the backlash on the consumer's in America would be awful. That won't make America great
again.
QUEST: The Republican establishment has had plenty of time, if you like, until now to sort of put the boot in or at least to try and get the other
candidates to coalesce to give up, to allow a front runner. And now, I agree is not inevitable, but the momentum is with Mr. Trump.
DELAY: I would say that. I think his momentum was hurt last night. What last night showed me is that Trump is very vulnerable. And we've got
elections to Saturday and Sunday and next Tuesday. Twenty more states that are proportional. So this race is far from over, and I think people like
myself and others are getting through to people that Trump has to be stopped.
QUEST: Is there a sense of panic amongst Republican establishment leading officials like yourself?
DELAY: I wouldn't call it panic. I would call it concerned. People are very concerned that Trump would be the nominee. The Democrats are loving
this. They've got a flawed candidate in Hillary Clinton. They're just itching to get a chance to run against Trump who is an extremely flawed
candidate and as flawed as Hillary Clinton. Wait until you start seeing the stuff coming out on his business practices, his personal life, the way
he does business, the way he steps on people. All of that's going to be coming out in the Democrats are going to love it.
[16:40:09]QUEST: Would your call to other senior Republicans now be, it's time to start speaking your mind. Start to come out and speak loudly.
DELAY: Yes, absolutely. People need to come out and speak their mind. And we need some leadership ahead of our leaders right now. And quit
playing these political games. This is real. It is very serious, and people need to speak out.
QUEST: This is the toughest question I'm going to ask you as a Republican.
DELAY: OK.
QUEST: If Donald Trump is the nominee, as a Republican will you support him?
DELAY: Well I usually don't like to answer speculative questions, but I have to tell you I will have to seriously search my soul in order to vote
for Donald Trump as my nominee. I really have to search it. Because I'm looking for a man of faith and principal, and Donald Trump is neither. I
really don't want him to be the nominee.
QUEST: Ben Carson -- I don't know whether you've seen this -- Ben Carson looks like he is either withdrawing or at least he saying he's not going to
take part in the next debate because he can't see any way forward for his campaign. Who else needs to get out so that the party can coalesce in your
view behind somebody other than Trump?
DELAY: Well, to be honest with you, that's not going to happen. Rubio and Cruz see a way to get to the convention and have a chance of winning the
nomination. And people need to understand, it's at the convention that the delegates nominate a candidate to run for president of the United States.
So it doesn't matter whether they get in or get out.
QUEST: Tom DeLay, thank you very much indeed. And we haven't seen a convention like that, a brokered convention for many years. Thank you sir
for joining us.
DELAY: I hope we do though. I'm ready for it.
QUEST: A brokered convention now that would be history making. Unprecedented voter turnout and a divided Republican Party. We're going to
talk about the establishments attempt to stop Donald Trump in a moment.
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QUEST: QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. After Super Tuesday each Republican candidate is claiming that he is the one that will unify the party. And
some may believe that the Republican Party is that a breaking point. The journalist David Gregory is a former moderator of "Meet the Press."
Delighted to have you David with us on QUEST MEANS BUSINESS tonight. And look a question I'm asking anybody and everybody is from your contracts how
would you describe within the Republican Party the feeling at the moment that the Trump train may be about to either career down to the path and
leave the tracks.
DAVID GREGORY, FORMER MODERATOR, NBC'S "MEET THE PRESS": A full freak out is how I describe it. A complete meltdown within the party. I just spoke
to a Congressman here who is looking for more help. He's been reaching out to his district saying you got to stop Trump. He wants more help from
other congressional leaders. Within the Republican Party itself they are doing modeling and crunching the numbers to see if there's any way that any
of these other candidates can try to stop Trump.
[16:45:05]Namely they're interested in getting Rubio to get his act together and try to stop Trump. Angry are party officials that they had
John Kasich has stayed in the race, because they think he's hurting Rubio.
Ted Cruz, by the way, is not the favorite alternative. It is Rubio principally within the party establishment. So I think there is real
concern, because so many people in the press, full mea culpa here, dismissed Donald Trump. Well among the politicos here it's political
malpractice. The fact that these candidates did not go after him sooner to try to disqualify him. And now he's in a position where he's really in a
commanding position to win the nomination out right.
QUEST: David Gergen on this program says, "Yup, he's the presumptive nominee." Do you go with that?
GREGORY: I do. I absolutely do. And I think a big field, which is what we still have with Kasich, Rubio and Cruz and let's assume that Carson is
getting out soon, means that it's only good for Donald Trump. Because it means the consolidation really doesn't happen. What is still possible,
some people are looking at numbers and saying well maybe Trump is denied the magic number of 1237 to go over the top and clinch it, and maybe you
have a brokered convention. I still think that's more wishful thinking.
The alternatives here -- you know if you look at Cruz and you look at Rubio, neither of those candidates have done what they really needed to do.
Cruz should do more to be concentrating and consolidating very conservative voters, the Tom DeLay like voters. And Rubio should be doing more to
consolidate those moderate voters and more mainstream Republicans, and he's not doing that. That's because Trump is the one who's grabbing everywhere.
QUEST: So explained to our viewers, look if Donald Trump is picking up the support, he's clearly got the voters, he's clearly energized an element of
the party, or the Republican movement that didn't vote before. Why would the party not get behind him, recognizing that he might be their best hope
to win the election?
GREGORY: Well because I think there is a feeling that is not the best hope. And in fact he forces a lot of Republicans not to vote, or maybe
even to vote for Hillary Clinton in some cases, though that can be a stretch and a lot of cases for Republicans. Yes he's turning out new
voters, but they don't much like the direction he's going. He's someone who's talked about building a wall on our southern border. Talked about
banning Muslims. Refusing to repudiate the KKK and David Duke. Talking about opening up the libel laws and governing is something of a tyrant.
That is an electability problem. It's a temperamental problem. It's a leadership problem. It's bad for the country. And I think that is what
Republicans are fretting right now more than anything else.
And by the way, you just had on Tom DeLay and I think it's very interesting, for conservatives, for rock rib conservatives in the
Republican Party in this country, they know he's not a conservative. So when you think about the future of the Supreme Court that's at stake in
this election, and the direction of the country and the conservative movement. They say, "No, that's not our guy. He's not conservative, and
he's politically malleable. He's a deal guy. And that's ultimately not what we want."
QUEST: David, please we need you between now and November to help us understand the phenomenal machinations of this process. Thank you, sir.
GREGORY: Happy to be here, thanks.
QUEST: Thank you. Waterfront property, friendly people, and oh yes, there's one extra thing, no Donald Trump. Some anxious Americans are
looking to migrate north, away from the wall. We will visit where they're going after you visited and expanded your mind to "MAKE, CREATE,
INNOVATIVE."
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[16:50:22] QUEST: Welcome back to QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. Today's edition of the New York Daily News, now it offers what it's calling the complete
guide to fleeing Donald Trump's America. And indeed some may be heading north of the border. "Remember when you said you'd leave the U.S. if Trump
was elected? We don't blame you. And it's time to start planning. Make America Migrate," it says. People are already planning and if they do they
will find much traffic on Canada's immigration website. It's warning of delays. CNN Paula Newton has visited one island in Canada when it comes to
those unhappy Americans migrating north.
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PAULA NEWTON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: (voice-over) Perched high on the northeastern edge of the continent, the peace and serenity of Cape
Breton Island in Canada is a long way from the bold and brash American vision Donald Trump is pedaling. That got one guy with one idea in a
website asking his U.S. neighbors, "Could this place be your refuge from a Trump presidency?" With one click, hundreds of thousands of Americans are
wondering too. No really, we're not kidding. This is no joke. So we've come here to the windswept island to figure out why this pitch is enticing
so many in ways no one could have imagined.
Rob Calabrese is the guy. A local radio DJ with the "If Trump Wins" website. He spent $28 and less than half an hour creating it.
ROB CALABRESE, CREATOR, "CAPE BRETON IF TRUMP WINS": As many people have told me, I'm just some bozo up in Canada on an island no one's ever heard
of. What I think of him is irrelevant. The fact is he makes a lot of people very nervous about the future of the country. And so I'm just
saying, now's the time to plant the seed. Get your affairs in order that way the day after the election you got everything all settled and you can
just come on up then.
NEWTON: (voice-over) Little more than two weeks and 800,000 clicks later, Americans want to know more.
CALABRESE: All of the sudden the joke is over and this is serious. We have a serious problem. People are showing a serious interest in moving
here.
NEWTON: (voice-over) That problem is a familiar one. It may be pretty but this island is economically depressed, and in need of new blood. At
Smitty's pancake house Kate Bretner told us the website is pure genius.
KATE BRETNER: Rob's our hero.
NEWTON: Rob's your hero?
BRETNER: He really is, yes. He really is. I know it started out in fun, but I think he said what we were all thinking.
NEWTON: How do you feel about getting Trump refugees here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't mind. Will take any refugees. We need people.
NEWTON: How welcoming are you guys to Americans though?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very welcoming.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We love Americans.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The more the merrier.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No fences.
NEWTON: (voice-over) No fence, but you can't just walk into Canada and live here. Damien Berry is an immigration lawyer and Irish immigrant.
(on camera) Would you say that Canada though is a tough country to immigrate to?
DAMIEN BARRY, IMMIGRATION LAWYER: It is in a way. I mean I guess there's a lot of red tape to get through.
NEWTON: (voice-over) Even so he says he's getting dozens of serious inquiries from Americans looking to live north. Wayne Miller is a man who
immigrated in the opposite direction for a time. He's back home now making it as an entrepreneur. He believes some Americans will take up the
Canadian offer.
WAYNE MILLER, ENTRPENEUR: I do.
NEWTON: Really you don't think it's just a joke.
MILLER: No I don't think Americans joke, you know. When they set their mind to something they make it happen.
NEWTON: (voice-over) Valerie Sampson has already seen some evidence of that. More Americans calling and emailing about Cape Breton stunning, and
yes, affordable homes.
VALERIE SAMPSON, REAL ESTATE AGENT: Anybody would come to me and say, "I don't see anything I like on the market." I can go knock on a door and
find a piece of waterfront for anybody. Give me six hours.
MARY TOLL: This is what's called sunrise Drive.
NEWTON: (voice-over) Mary Toll take us for a ride along that waterfront. As a tourism official here, she says, "American interest surged since the
website went live."
TOLL: We have a fantastic reception that would normally handle maybe two inquiries a day. We had five people dedicated full-time to manage the
inquiries.
NEWTON: (voice-over) Back at the radio station Rob expects more Americans to come calling as Trump builds momentum in the primaries.
(on camera) Do you think there's going to be a Donald Trump bump in the economy this summer?
CALABRESE: There may be a Trump bump, and thank you for coining that phrase.
NEWTON: (voice-over) That might be true in summer, but this place doesn't exactly look like paradise right now.
(on camera) What do you want to tell them about when it's not so good?
[16:55:00] CALABRESE: Well, I mean this is not the Caribbean. It's not an island in the Caribbean, so we have a winter here.
NEWTON: (voice-over) In the meantime remember this island may not get a vote, but now it certainly has a stake in the U.S. presidential race.
Paula Newton, CNN, Cape Breton Island Nova Scotia.
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QUEST:
QUEST: Tonight's Profitable Moment. On this program we brought you three very distinguished names and views on the Republican and on Super Tuesday.
You had David Gergen, David Gregory, and Tom DeLay. Freaking out is how one of them describes the Republican Party. Greatly concerned was another,
and you had Tom DeLay saying that Donald Trump could destroy the Republican Party. We'll hear many more views as the election winds its merry way both
to the conventions in the summer and towards the elections in November. And you will hear them on QUEST MEANS BUSINESS.
Because that is QUEST MEANS BUSINESS for this Wednesday night. I'm Richard Quest in New York. Whatever you're up to in the hours ahead I hope it's
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