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Investigators Search Wreckage of Kentucky Plane Crash as Death Toll Rises to 11; Mamdani's Social Media Strategy; Traveler Spending in Indonesia to Break Records. U.S. Supreme Court Hears Arguments on Trump Tariffs; Kentucky Officials Give Update on Louisville Plane Crash; Mamdani: Beautiful Prose of Governing Has Only Just Began 4-5p ET
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PAULA NEWTON, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Well, apparently you can't keep a good stock market down. You'll see that little dip. We were just
speculating as to whether or not the market likes what we are going to tell you about in a moment. The Supreme Court decision on tariffs, those are the
markets and these are the main events.
Tens of billions of dollars, as I was just saying in tariffs are on the line as the U.S. Supreme Court suggests, they may not be legal. We will
hear from one of the CEOs behind the lawsuit in a moment.
JPMorgan CEO, Jamie Dimon tells CNN he wants to help Zohran Mamdani after his historic election victory in New York.
And Britain's Prince William tells CNN how he is helping find solutions to fight climate change.
Live from New York. It is Wednesday, November 5th. I am Paula Newton in for Richard Quest and this is QUEST MEANS BUSINESS.
And a very good evening to you.
Tonight, President Donald Trump's tariffs could be in jeopardy as the U.S. Supreme Court voices skepticism over their legality. Justices questioned
Mr. Trump's use of emergency powers to impose the sweeping tariffs without the approval of Congress.
Now, what's at stake here? Billions of dollars in tariffs the Trump administration has imposed on more than a hundred U.S. trading partners.
Now, under a decades old law that has never been used in this way until now, businesses are suing over the tariffs and they say the President has
overstepped his authority.
Chief Justice John Roberts pressed the Trump administration on that point. Listen.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
JOHN ROBERTS, UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT CHIEF JUSTICE: The vehicle is imposition of taxes on Americans and that has always been the core power of
Congress. So to have the President's foreign affairs power trump that basic power for Congress seems to me to kind of at least neutralize between the
two powers, the executive power and the legislative power.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
NEWTON: And we are going to pick up the story in a moment, but right now, we want to get you straight to the Governor of Kentucky as he is updating
everyone on that deadly plane crash. Listen.
GOV. ANDY BESHEAR (D-KY): As Governor, I've seen a lot. I've had to order freezer trucks in a pandemic. I've walked the line of an EF4 tornado
through my dad's hometown. I've seen towns hit by flooding we only describe as biblical. And what this scene is, is violent.
Where the plane hit at best, is, destroyed. What you see are mangled remnants of what was in its path, completely burnt and blackened. Where the
plane hit and where the initial explosion happened, you have significant damage. And then, like a lot of these disasters, just five or six feet
away, not even the paint is disturbed on another vehicle or another building.
As we walked through, there were a couple things that that I thank God for, the restaurant fully intact, could have had a lot of people and could have
caused additional losses of life. Those owners have opened up their restrooms that the first responders are able to use. And for that, we are
grateful and I look forward to thanking them in person.
The other thing we see are first responders from all over the area working seamlessly until you see their actual shirt up close, you couldn't tell one
was from one department and another was from a different one. Thankfully, there has been a shift change and most of the individuals that were out all
night heroically fighting a massive fire that is under control with only a few hot spots left, thankfully, most folks that were out late last night
are sleeping if they can sleep with a whole new group that is out. Why? Because these departments are sending everybody. They are all working
together. It is an incredible credit to cooperation.
In tough news of the day, our fatality count is now up to 11. I expect it to reach 12, possibly by the end of the day and there are a handful of
other people that we are still searching for that we hope weren't on site, and that we here were somewhere else.
The other piece of news are we are moving from a rescue to a recovery mode. We do not expect to find anyone else alive in the area.
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Because of that, we now move and put the safety of the first responders at the top of the list and so we are going to have limited operations at
night, because if you walk through this debris field, it is very easily -- it is very easy for somebody to get HURT: and we want to make sure that
everyone on site is safe.
After disasters, we have lost people and I don't want that to happen here, not from a heart attack through overexertion, not through somebody tripping
and hurting themselves at night, so these individuals have sacrificed for us. They've shown such incredible bravery, and we are going to make sure
that we put their safety first.
FBI is joining us today with our special agent in charge. They're going to be working with the NTSB on cataloging the debris and with debris removal.
What that means is they will be working through all of those reports that are coming in through the city who did a great job in setting that website
up very, very quickly. That's actually one of the newest innovations that I've seen in response to something like this.
So, Mayor, thank you for doing that.
But the FBI is going to provide their agents to go to those scenes, so if you've reported debris removal and the FBI knocks on your door, that's the
reason I think that's just important for people to know they are cooperating and helping in this investigation and we are grateful for them,
grateful for our special agent in charge.
For the 11 that we know we've lost, we are really hurting for their families. We believe that we will learn that there was one child in those
11, and a young child at that, which makes it all the harder. So please remember that the images of yesterday may fade in people's minds over time,
but the trauma that these families that have lost somebody, yesterday are going through is going to last for years.
And so Louisville and Kentucky are loving communities, we take care of our people. We've just got to make sure that we are as strong as we push
through this one as we've been through every other one and we do not forget those that have been impacted.
With that, I am going to turn it over to the mayor, and then we will hear from the congressman.
NEWTON: We are hearing there from the Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear, who unfortunately updated the death toll. It was at nine, it now stands at 11
and he was quite blunt, saying that, look, this could reach 12. He did say they have moved from in fact a search and rescue operation to a recovery
operation, and really described the scene as a very violent one and the fact that there was significant damage and also pointed out something that
we've been reporting at CNN that there were people at a restaurant who really just missed this by inches.
And at that point in time, he said he indicated he was quite grateful, even though he certainly assessed that there would be a lot of trauma in the
community for certainly days, if not weeks and months to come. That is our update on that crash. We will have much more news for you in a moment.
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NEWTON: And we want to get to our top story now.
President Donald Trump's tariffs could be in jeopardy as the U.S. Supreme Court voices skepticism over their legality. Now, you heard earlier from
Justice Roberts at the top of the hour. Now, I want you to listen to a potential key vote in this case. That's Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who
actually appeared much more receptive to this idea of tariffs. Listen.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
BRETT KAVANAUGH, U.S. SUPREME COURT ASSOCIATE JUSTICE: Your primary answer or one of your many answers to that is the Nixon example and that's a good
example for you, because Nixon relied on regulate importation to impose a worldwide tariff.
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NEWTON: Chief Supreme Court analyst, Joan Biskupic joins me now and we are indeed grateful. It was an interesting case in terms of listening through
this today, even though we only had the audio. Is there a chance for making too much out of the skepticism we heard from all the justices -- many of
the justices, including, you know, John Roberts, there?
JOAN BISKUPIC, CNN SENIOR SUPREME COURT ANALYST: Yes, Paula, and it is good to see you. I think at this point, yes. I don't think -- I do not think
that this is a definite case that will go against Donald Trump at this point. You know, when I was in the oral arguments, I heard the same kind of
skepticism you heard, but it was -- you know, it was when Donald Trump's lawyer was at the lectern.
Then when the challengers' lawyers got up there, you know, they faced a lot of skepticism themselves and then some mixed signals from some of the
justices, like, if our viewers can remember what you played about the Chief earlier before you had to go to the news conference, you know, that showed
a lot of scrutiny for what the administration was pressing here and certainly lower courts have ruled against the Trump administration.
But later in the argument, Paula, Chief Justice John Roberts came back and at one point said, well, this is about -- this does implicate the
President's core foreign affairs power and this could make a difference.
He also noted something that I took pretty seriously, at least when you step back from the entire oral argument where he said, you know, we didn't
block these tariffs and the Supreme Court has let them continue on. And, you know, millions and billions keep being collected, and there is a real
issue about how these would be unwound.
So at the same time that we heard some skepticism for the administration, there were other clues that would suggest that maybe this is not a slam
dunk for the challengers, and the other thing I would mention, Paula, is that at one point, Justice Amy Coney Barrett referred to just how
complicated it might be to actually refund the money that has been collected and I think it is an estimated $90 billion already, and she said
it could be quite a mess.
So I think we have to take it with a little bit of grain of salt what we heard today, and then finally, what I would mention is that this is -- this
was a significant picture that we saw in the courtroom today. And, you know, I felt like I really heard where everybody was coming from.
But now what they're going to do is go into a private session on Friday and they will express their views to each other, and then they'll vote. And
know from past experience that sometimes what we heard during oral arguments isn't what plays out in the final ruling and we won't know for
weeks and perhaps even months where they truly are on Donald Trump's tariffs.
NEWTON: Yes, you've really given us a more fulsome picture there of what went on.
Just before I let you go, is there any middle road here, especially when we think about the fact that the remedy that Coney Barrett was pointing out
could be, in her words, a mess?
BISKUPIC: Well, it is funny you say that because I, at first had thought there was a chance if they started asking about the differences between the
reciprocal tariffs and the drug trafficking tariffs, that maybe they might draw some lines there, just because I thought, you know, this is the
Roberts court. He is always looking for some sort of middle ground, especially on, you know, this kind of closely watched case that involves,
you know, the signature initiative of Donald Trump that Donald Trump says is so big, it cannot fail.
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But they did not start separating out the tariffs. That's one thing that I thought could happen when I was going in there, Paula. And then you just
don't -- you don't know he might be able to come up with something, folks have raised the comparison to the Obamacare case of 2012. And I was
watching that, I was right at the center of seeing what the Chief did then, and finding out about, multiple switched votes that he had.
So, you know, there he went for a compromise to make sure that then President Barack Obama's signature domestic plan involving the Affordable
Care Act did not go down. And, maybe in this case, you know, he is looking at ways to either stave Donald Trump's initiative or because the court is
now seen as so much of a partner to Donald Trump, and I know he is very self-conscious about that, about how people are saying, you always rule for
President Trump, how much that will factor in.
That's why I say we saw a major part of their consideration today, but there are a lot of things we are not going to see behind the scenes for a
while.
NEWTON: Fascinating, and billions on the line. Joan Biskupic for us.
BISKUPIC: That's right.
NEWTON: Thanks so much. Appreciate it.
BISKUPIC: Thanks, Paula. Thanks.
NEWTON: And it is notable here that larger U.S. businesses have seemingly chosen to sit out this landmark legal battle over Trump's emergency
tariffs.
It is smaller businesses that have taken up the fight, instead, in front of the Supreme Court. Now one of the lead plaintiffs in the case is Learning
Resources, which makes educational toys and other products. Its CEO, Rick Woldenberg, says this is not about politics, he says, and I am quoting him
now, he is "simply a taxpayer who has been hit with an unlawful tax."
Rick Woldenberg, CEO of Learning Resources joins us now.
Grateful to you to stand by for us as we got to that breaking news. I have read into what you've been saying the last few weeks and you describe your
business now that you're basically commercial refugees to these tariffs, trying and failing at times to really find a place that escapes these Trump
tariffs.
So I ask you, what would a win in court mean for you? And are you optimistic after what you heard in court. And obviously you were listening
to Joan as well?
RICK WOLDENBERG, CEO, LEARNING RESOURCES: Well, we are confident in what we saw in court today, but we were confident going in as well. We felt we had
read the law correctly and that the law does not provide for tariffs. I think that the hearing explored that question thoroughly.
A win for us, I believe leads to a refund of the tariffs that we've paid. And, you know, that's really important. We could use that money. It is
millions of dollars and we will put it to good use here in the united states, which is where we live and where we operate our business.
NEWTON: In terms of that refund, Amy Coney Barrett made the -- you know, she said it could be upwards of $100 billion. She agreed that it would
likely be a mess. She asked and got the answer.
WOLDENBERG: Well, you know, it is a little difficult for me to have my heart bleed for the administration. If the money was taken from us
unlawfully, if it is $100 billion or $100.00, they are very, very efficient at taking the money from us. Just turn the spigot on backwards and send it
back to us.
I don't really think it will be that difficult to figure out what they took from us unlawfully. I can circle the numbers on a piece of paper and send
it to them. The tariffs went from an average of like one and a half to two percent to over a hundred percent in some cases. It is not going to be that
hard to figure out and they took the money unlawfully, so they have to give it back.
I apologize if it is inconvenient.
NEWTON: If you don't -- if you do not -- if you win, but perhaps there is a way that you don't actually get the refund. Do you think it is still a
significant ruling? And many people have pointed out that, look, this is not exclusive to a Republican administration. Democrats, if Trump wins
here, Democrats can and may use the tariff power themselves.
WOLDENBERG: You know, I can't speculate on what they will do or they won't do. I think that our case is important for a couple of reasons. First of
all, it is about a lot of money that is a massive tax increase. I think all Americans agree that taxes are not the greatest thing. So nobody is in
favor of more taxes and this is a massive one.
The second thing is that we are all dependent in our daily lives with the assumption that the rule of law will be respected. We make all kinds of
decisions when we buy a house, when we get a mortgage, when we put our money in a 401 (k), all of those things are dependent on the rule of law.
This case in some respects, is a referendum on the rule of law, and it will hopefully do something to restore confidence to people that they understand
the rules of the game, and that the rules of the game will be observed fairly and impartially for everyone's benefit. That is, I think,
fundamental to the American way of life.
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NEWTON: Given the fact that the united states is in the middle of a record breaking shutdown, I am not sure many Americans would share your optimism
at this point in time. And I do want to ask you, The White House has made clear that even if they lose in the Supreme Court, that they believe there
are laws, other laws, other mechanisms that allow the Trump administration, you know, to continue to slap tariffs on imports.
How will you fight that? And I am sure it is something that you're aware could happen and that your legal team has discussed with you.
WOLDENBERG: Well, my own opinions on what they can do and what they cannot do, the real question is what will they do? All of these things have a
political cost. And as you know, we are heading towards the midterms.
The midterms are almost exactly one year from today, and you could say that the midterms are a cloud on the horizon. Every day we march closer to the
midterms. The political costs of imposing this massive tax on Americans will rise.
So what will they do? That's a political calculation they're going to have to make. But the voters run this country, not the politicians, and they
will decide if they like the direction of this country that may influence their decisions.
NEWTON: I only have about 30 seconds left, but we had a consequential election in the last 24 hours. You said this wasn't about politics. And
yet, from what I hear from you, you believe getting rid of these tariffs, that politics will play a role?
WOLDENBERG: Well, sure, because its government of the people, by the people, for the people. So it is the voters who run this country, the
people who are in Washington are our neighbors that we assign the job of running the government for us. The government is us. We are the government.
And so, of course, the voters are going to care and be interested in what happens. I think ultimately the voters will decide everything in this
country.
NEWTON: Rick Woldenberg, we will continue to watch this case closely, of course. Appreciate it.
WOLDENBERG: Thank you.
NEWTON: Now, getting to that issue of politics, the mayor-elect of New York City says, in his words, "The beautiful prose of governing has just begun."
Zohran Mamdani galvanized New Yorkers with a campaign that focused on reducing the cost of living. He defeated the state's former governor,
Andrew Cuomo, and Republican Curtis Sliwa in a three-way race.
Then he spoke directly to President Trump in his victory speech. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ZOHRAN MAMDANI (D), NEW YORK CITY MAYOR-ELECT: So Donald Trump, since I know you're watching, I have four words for you "Turn the volume up."
New York will remain a city of immigrants, a city built by immigrants, powered by immigrants, and as of tonight, led by an immigrant. So hear me,
President Trump, when I say this, to get to any of us, you will have to get through all of us.
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NEWTON: And it was a strong night for Democrats overall. The party won governor races in both New Jersey and Virginia. Trump acknowledged, in
fact, a tough night for Republicans during his speech to the American Business Forum in Miami. And he also said, unlike what we just heard from
Mamdani there, that he might be open to working with the mayor-elect. Listen.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Now, let's see how a communist does in New York. We are going to see how that works out,
and we will help him. We will help him. We want New York to be successful. We will help him, a little bit, maybe.
For all of these failed and discredited -- really discredited, if you think -- ideologies of the past, their day is over, their grip is broken and
their time is absolutely done.
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NEWTON: Gloria Pazmino is in New York, Kevin Liptak with the President there in Miami.
Gloria, we will begin with you, and I am sure you are exhausted after following this campaign, not just the last 24 hours. But let's face it, for
weeks and months.
What were your impressions? I mean, look, I was a bit shocked by his acceptance speech. It did not seem conciliatory in any fashion. And never
mind about the President, but to the almost 50 percent of New Yorkers who did not vote for him.
GLORIA PAZMINO, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's a good point, Paula. And I think it is fair to point that out that, you know, this was a
moment for Zohran Mamdani to kind of extend an olive branch to those New Yorkers who did not support him. There were some parts of the speech where
he tried to talk about hope. He actually described New York City as the light in a moment of very dark American politics.
But, you know, he also took the opportunity to call out Trump, as we saw there. I think we saw a Zohran Mamdani who, frankly, was a bit indignant
last night, after all, you know, this campaign got very heated in the last few weeks.
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There was so much rhetoric, Islamophobic attacks, so much that was said about him. And, you know, he made history last night, Paula. He is the
first Muslim mayor in the city of New York. He is the youngest in more than a century. He is the first South Asian.
And so there is a lot of meaning behind all of that. And I can tell you being there in that room, it meant a lot for the people that were there to
watch him. You know, I saw people who were in tears watching him speak. You could tell that it meant so much to them.
Now, this is in some ways the easiest part, right? Delivering that victory speech. He now has to govern. And I find the comments that President Trump
made earlier today about perhaps "we will help him" to be really interesting, because we are seeing Trump just, you know, he tends to be so
mercurial, you kind of never know what you're going to get with him.
He has said that he is going to take funding back from the city. Now, he is saying, well, maybe we will help them. And I think it just shows you that
this is going to be a really interesting relationship to watch. We know that Donald Trump is always watching for what is happening here in his
hometown.
And this is a new mayor that's going to have to prove himself to New Yorkers, the people who elected him, and people who are going to certainly
hold him accountable on his promise to defend this city from the threats of the Trump administration.
NEWTON: And also to make good on his promises and we will see where all of this lands in terms of the Democratic-Republican divide.
Kevin Liptak to you. You were with the President as Gloria says, you know, he can be more magnanimous at times, the President. You've seen this over
and over again in terms of covering him. How was that received, his comments? And what is The White House saying about what he will say about
New York? Because in the past, he has said he would withhold funds from New York if Mamdani was elected.
KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yes, and I think we're going to have to see how this relationship plays out, because on the one hand, he
said, yes, I am willing to work with him going forward if it is necessary, but on the other hand, he seems to be using this speech to debut sort of
the central attack line that Republicans and himself are going to use over the next year before the midterm elections, which is trying to fit this
divide between communism and common sense. That was kind of the big applause line in this entire speech.
And I counted it up, and he used the word communist or communism 13 times in this address. And so I think it is pretty clear what the President's
sort of approach to this going forward will be. And of course, he is the President. There will have to be some semblance of working relationship
with Zohran Mamdani when he is in City Hall and the President is in The White House.
And to be sure, there will be inevitably some event that comes up where the two of them will have to work together. But it is pretty clear that the
President sees Mamdani as his latest sort of political foil. And I think Republicans are very evidently building that case ahead of next year's
midterms, as they look for a way to kind of recover from what was ostensibly a terrible night for them.
You know, even the President acknowledged in the State Dining Room at The White House before he came down here to Miami that this was an awful night
for Republicans, and that they're going to have to figure out a way to recover going forward.
Now, he has some ideas. One, he wants them to get rid of the Senate filibuster so that they can end the government shutdown and pass more
legislation without any buy-in from Democrats. And it was interesting in his speech here, too, he had another sort of point of advice, which was to
focus more on his accomplishments.
You know, this was meant to be a broad economic speech. The President kind of ticked through everything that he had done in the nine months since he
took office and said that a lot of people don't see what he is doing, and that if Republicans talk about that, then they will do well in elections.
I think the issue is that President Trump has not always been laser focused on his economic accomplishments. And even in this speech, it veered in all
kinds of different directions, whether he was talking about transgender bodybuilders or the malfunctioning teleprompter he had at the United
Nations, or renaming Mount McKinley, or trying to get South Africa out of the G20.
You know, the President himself is not exactly disciplined in talking about his economic accomplishments. You know, I think every president that I've
covered has at some point told members of their own party to talk more about what they're doing in office. But I think all of this is evidence
that the economy is going to be a challenge for Republicans ahead of next year's midterm elections.
NEWTON: Yes, none of that rhetoric is going to get this government back to work or buy groceries for Americans.
Kevin Liptak for us in Miami, appreciate it. Gloria Pazmino here in New York with us. Thanks so much to both of you.
Now, Mamdani's campaign alienated some people on Wall Street. His proposals include raising taxes on corporations and the wealthiest New Yorkers.
Erin Burnett just sat down with JPMorgan CEO, Jamie Dimon and Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan. Dimon discussed JPMorgan's investments in Detroit and said he
would be willing to help Mamdani in New York. Listen.
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JAMIE DIMON, CEO, JPMORGAN CHASE: I consider myself patriotic, so I will help any mayor, any governor in the way I feel appropriate. I'm not going
to do what they want sometimes. And I've seen a lot of mayors and governors, political leaders, some grow into the job, they fix the job,
they fix the lights. They fix the crime. They fix the hospitals, they fix the ambulance times.
And I've seen a lot of who swell into the job. They never get around to it. They're so befuddled with politics and ideology. I'm hoping any mayor does
what's right to help the citizens of that city. If you do it right, it benefits all the citizens. If you do it wrong, it hurts all the citizens.
And so, you know, yes, I would help someone if they wanted my help.
ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: And I want to ask you more about that. But, Mayor, "The Washington Post" --
DIMON: But I hope he calls up this governor, I mean, this mayor, because that's the way you learn. You talk to him, say, how did you do it? What did
you do today?
BURNETT: Today the Supreme Court is hearing one of the most consequential cases that there may be in this administration. It's about tariffs and
whether President Trump has the authority to go ahead with him. Were the tariffs a mistake?
DIMON: If you look at the economy in the world and politics and this great country of ours, it's a factor. And it may not even be the deciding factor,
you know, whether we grow or not or something like that. But I think, I think they're starting to do a better job, you know, particularly to look
at what's working, what's not working, making adjustments, having their conversation with Canada and Mexico, having the conversation with China,
you know, making adjustments as they see fit.
So I'm hopeful that we're making a lot of progress to get this in a place that's better for everybody.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
NEWTON: OK. When we come back, we told you earlier the death toll now 11 after a cargo plane crashed in Louisville, Kentucky. We'll go there live
after the break.
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NEWTON: Hello, I'm Paula Newton and there's more QUEST MEANS BUSINESS in a moment when investigations are underway after a cargo plane crashed in
Louisville, Kentucky.
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Social media played a big part in Zohran Mamdani's victory in the New York mayoral race. We will speak with a content creator who helped with that
effort. You'll want to stick around for that. But before that, the headlines this hour.
New York City's mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani introduced an all-female transition team the day after his election. The group includes Lina Khan,
the former chair of the Federal Trade Commission, and officials who served with the current and previous mayors. Mamdani is set to become New York's
first Muslim mayor and its youngest leader in more than a century.
The U.S. Supreme Court has wrapped up arguments in a landmark case. Justices will decide whether President Trump acted lawfully when he imposed
sweeping emergency tariffs against many U.S. trading partners. Companies challenging the policy say the on again, off again announcements have
driven costs to intolerable levels.
France is moving to suspend access to Shein, the Chinese online fast fashion retailer. Officials say the ban would last until Shein shows all
its products meet French laws and guidelines. This comes after childlike sex dolls and weapons were found on its site. Also on Wednesday, Shein
opened its first global brick and mortar store in Paris.
As we were telling you earlier, investigations are underway after a UPS cargo plane crashed shortly after taking off in Louisville, Kentucky.
Surveillance video shows the moment of the crash. And I want to warn you, the images are disturbing. The governor says at least 11 people now have
died, including one child, and warns this number could rise. Two people are in critical condition.
Just a short time ago, investigators recovered the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder, which suffered some heat but not intrusion.
Listen.
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TODD INMAN, MEMBER, NTSB: These recorders are built for that. And just before we get the question, these recorders were updated from its original
manufacturer. They are L3 Harris installed at two different dates. We're going back and verifying that, but we feel comfortable once we get these to
our lab in D.C. that we will be able to get a good readout of the applicable data, and that will be yet another point of information that
will really help us understand what happened during this point of flight.
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NEWTON: Isabel Rosales joins us now in fact from Kentucky.
Isabel, I don't know if you can hear me. We just had quite an update there from the governor, and it is a relief that they have those flight data
recorders now so they can figure out exactly what happened. But I want to ask you, this tragedy really seemed to get worse by the hour. The horror --
the pictures were horrifying enough. But then to hear the description as well from the governor about what the people on the ground had to go
through and how terrifying it was for so many.
ISABEL ROSALES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Paula, my apologies for that. It's very windy out here so we see some of the lights falling all over the place
here. But, yes, that was a sobering update that we heard from Governor Andy Beshear of Kentucky. The fact that 11 people are now confirmed dead. He
believes that one of them is a child. And he does expect that the number that death toll to rise to 12.
He says also this, "We do not expect to find anyone else alive in the area." So now we are seeing this, what was a rescue mode really turning
into a recovery mode. We're also seeing new updates from the NTSB, the National Transportation Safety Board, which is leading this investigation.
It's their job to figure out just what went so wrong at takeoff. They have a team of at least 28 people here working through that airfield now, and
they acknowledge and reveal that there's three new critical pieces of information that's of interest here when it comes to the progression of
what's happening here.
CCTV footage that they have in their possession shows that the left wing caught fire and the engine separated from the left wing, and detached
during takeoff. So that's a very serious and worrying development to hear that they've got that piece of video showing that that's what happened to
this plane as it was attempting to take off. They've also located the black boxes that such a crucial piece of evidence.
That's a cockpit voice recorder, the flight data recorder, to help them again figure out how things could have gone so bad. And then there's a
debris field that's half a mile long. They're asking neighbors that if they find items that could belong to this plane in their backyard to let
authorities know.
Earlier today, Paula, I was speaking to Sean Garber. He's the owner of one of the two businesses that was directly hit by this plane. And he told me
that three employees of his are still missing. He got an opportunity to go back to his business today. He says it's a total loss.
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He's so worried about these employees. And here's what else he told me, recounting his CFO, calling him, facetiming him shortly after that plane
crashed. Watch.
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SEAN GARBER, BUSINESS OWNER IMPACTED BY CRASH: She called me and at that time Facetimed me and she said, I think there's an explosion and the scrap
office blew up. And I said, let me see you. And the minute she showed me the area where the scrap office is, it was just this huge ball of smoke in
the sky. It was almost black. It was like, you know, as I described, it was like hell's fury.
I mean, it was indescribable. People screaming, people running, people trying to help each other. It was a moment certainly I wouldn't want anyone
to have to experience.
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ROSALES: And he's working right now with authorities to try to recover surveillance footage he thinks could be useful, showing that moment of
impact and also to account for how many customers are unaware of that were on the premise and give again those families some answers -- Paula.
NEWTON: Yes, it is chilling to hear that some are still missing.
Isabel Rosales, so grateful to you for the update.
Now Zohran Mamdani used social media to his advantage ahead of his victory in the New York mayoral race. I will speak with one of those content
creators who pitched in for his campaign.
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NEWTON: And this just in to CNN. The U.S. government says it will have to reduce air traffic right across the country starting Friday if the
government shutdown continues. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy says flights will be reduced by 10 percent across 40 airports. Duffy says the
government is going to proactively make decisions that, in his words, keep the airspace safe. The government shutdown has led to a shortage of air
traffic controllers.
Zohran Mamdani won the New York City mayor's race thanks in part to his mastery of social media.
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Now, the Democratic socialist posted regularly about lowering costs and resisting the Trump administration, and he collaborated, and this is key,
with other people on TikTok and Instagram. Listen.
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CASSIE WILSON, COMEDIAN AND CONTENT CREATOR: People seem unhappy with me and I don't know why. Can we Can we have affordable rent? No. Can we have
fast and reliable busses? No. How about universal child care? No. Can we have cheaper groceries? No.
ZOHRAN MAMDANI, NEW YORK MAYOR-ELECT: Actually yes.
WILSON: Mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani?
MAMDANI: We can have all of those things in New York City.
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NEWTON: Definitely catchy, isn't it? Mamdani also encouraged supporters to make their own videos and appeared on internet shows like Subway Takes and
Gaydar.
Now Cassie Wilson made that clip you just saw with Mamdani, and she joins us now from New York.
I'd imagine the victory is pretty sweet at this point in time. I want to ask you about these posts. You know, I found so many of them funny,
motivational, clever. But I think the main point is they worked, right? Why do you think that is? What has been transformational about this campaign?
WILSON: I think the campaign was really all about the policies from the start, the policies that championed the working class that will benefit the
working class. And there's already this kind of organic community of influencers in New York City who want to be politically engaged. And so
Zohran's campaign did a really amazing job of engaging with that online community, just like he was engaging in communities in real life all over
the city, visiting, you know, churches, mosques, synagogues, community centers.
He seemed to be everywhere. And so, you know, engaging online was just another place where he could meet his voters and meet his constituents. And
obviously, he's a very charismatic candidate. But really, from the beginning, it was all about the policies. And that's what got people really
excited about his campaign.
NEWTON: Yes, and it was people certainly that young contingent was really the most startling about it. They're not normally known for going out and
voting.
Cassie, you know that. But the campaign was organic and compelling in a way I'm not sure that I've seen before. And you say it does hold a message for
other candidates. What's that message?
WILSON: Yes, absolutely. I think you're right that I haven't seen this level of organization, of mobilization of canvassers, organizers and voters
in my generation kind of ever. And so I think really the way that we used social media, the best way we use it was to actually get people off of
social media and to canvases and to get knocking on doors and talking to their neighbors and their community about the campaign.
So, you know, he had a really smart use of social media, but the best use was actually to get people offline and into the real world and make sure
that people showed up to vote. And we did.
NEWTON: It is such a salient point, you know, because in so many of these cases, you know, some people will say, oh, it was an excuse for young
people to just hide behind their phones or their screens. And that wasn't the case here at all. And considering there's so much at stake for your
generation, regardless of what side of the fence you're on here, it is a good thing that this campaign did that.
I am wondering, though, if you believe it will have a lasting impact especially when it comes to governing now, right? I mean, the hard work
starts not just for, you know, he's got to prove things to the party that didn't win, but to those that really believe in him. He has promised so
much.
WILSON: Yes. I don't think it's going to be easy, but I think people have a lot of hope and he has a lot of support going into to his tenure as mayor.
And I think that our generation has been really looking for political leaders to tell us about what they're going to do to make our lives better.
You know, the cost of living has skyrocketed, and he's the only Democratic leader that I have seen recently who is speaking directly to those issues.
So, you know, he has the full support of the New York City community behind him, not just the influencer community, but everybody who voted for him,
everybody who knocked on a door, everybody who called a friend and made sure that they were registered to vote. I'm really excited about his
tenure. And you know, I think so are a lot of people. And I can't wait to see, you know, this transformation of New York City government.
NEWTON: Cassie Wilson, I learned a lot. And I want to thank you for bringing it to us as we continue to watch him as, of course, he takes
office in January. Appreciate it.
WILSON: Thanks so much for having me.
NEWTON: Now, Britain's Prince William says he hopes his Earthshot Prize can help find commercially viable solutions to fight climate change. He sat
down with CNN's Christiane Amanpour in Rio de Janeiro to discuss his vision ahead of COP 30.
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PRINCE WILLIAM, FOUNDER, THE EARTHSHOT PRIZE: Yes, I think this space needed somewhere to come together. It was very fragmented, and I think for
those who want to do good and those who feel they can, and as most of the solutions are highly commercial, this is not a philanthropic activity, you
need to find that space, that community where everyone can feel that they've got the space to grow, they've got the support, and they've got the
direction.
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Many of these guys and girls, they got incredible solutions, but might need a little bit of help over here. They might need a bit of mentoring over
here. They might need an introduction over here. The Earthshot provides that family to allow them to go on and be the best they can be.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: I'm interested in the inspiration and the motivation behind you taking on this mission.
Essentially it is a mission. Today there was an amazing picture that's gone viral all over the U.K. of you standing at the -- at the statue of Christ
the Redeemer. They compare it to your mother standing there back in 1991. I want to think it was that year.
And she, of course, was prominent in -- basically in, you know, humanitarian activities and mind clearing. But your father also was
prominent, and some would say, many would say ahead of the curve on climate, environmental conservation. Did he motivate you? Inspire you?
Because it's interesting to know how you got to this point.
PRINCE WILLIAM: I think it's a combination of all of that. I'm very lucky to be in this position and use my platform for good and whenever I'm doing
stuff, I'm constantly analyzing where best can I use my platform for the greatest impact. And talking about the Earthshot was always an idea that
positivity and a positive message to anyone brings out the best in them.
There's a lot of negativity, a lot of telling people off, don't do this, don't do that. It doesn't work. And as you can see, you give the right
people the right tools and resources, they flourish and the impact they can have is truly phenomenal.
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NEWTON: Now international tourists are flocking to Indonesia for more than its beaches. Indonesia's tourism minister told Richard Quest which markets
she's looking to tap into.
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NEWTON: So international travelers are on track to spend a record $20 billion this year in Indonesia. That estimate comes from the World Travel
and Tourism Council. Indonesia's tourism minister says people are learning that the country has so much more to offer than just the beaches of Bali.
Now Richard Quest spoke to her at the World Travel Market.
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WIDIYANTI PUTRI WARDHANA, INDONESIAN TOURISM MINISTER: We are growing by 10.2 percent for the international tourists and domestic tourists, we're
growing 19 percent, so we are doing great and we are also doing development of 10 plus three destinations, 10 other than Bali, Jakarta and Riau Island.
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RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Are you shifting the countries that you're looking at?
WARDHANA: So we are focusing on 15 destinations or markets, but we also look at the Middle Eastern market as well. It's interesting because they
also spend more and they stay long, especially during the summer. But we Indonesia is a Muslim -- majority Muslim population, right? So we are the
best destination for Muslim travelers.
QUEST: What about the United States? Is that -- is that a growth? It's a long way.
WARDHANA: It's a long way.
QUEST: It's literally the other side of the world, but it has potential.
WARDHANA: It has very much a big potential. It is a long way. So when people come to Indonesia, they would stay longer after all that long trip.
Right? So American tourists is also very interesting and good opportunity.
QUEST: One of the things that strikes me, now we've got Thailand over there, Philippines over there. You're all in competition. And yet you all
cooperate. You're all part of ASEAN and all that. But you've got to make yourself all a bit different, haven't you?
WARDHANA: Yes, we are very different. We are the largest archipelagic country with 17,000 islands, but we are very rich in culture, 1,300 ethnic
groups and gastronomy, different ways of cooking. And it's very interesting. And you can never be bored of Indonesia.
QUEST: There's a lot more direct flights into places like Bali now, isn't there?
WARDHANA: Yes.
QUEST: There's a lot more connectivity. But where do you want to spread?
WARDHANA: So other than Bali --
QUEST: You've got Bali here, yes.
WARDHANA: And Jakarta. We have 10 priority destinations starting from near Medan, there's Lake Toba and then Bintan.
QUEST: Over here.
WARDHANA: And Bangka-Belitung.
QUEST: How difficult is it to get people to go around all the destinations?
WARDHANA: OK.
QUEST: Because people fly in here and then they go over here, but actually you really want them to go all over the place.
WARDHANA: That's correct. Previously we have three destinations that people come in from.
QUEST: Yes.
WARDHANA: Bali, Jakarta and Batam. But now we have 36 international airports, which has reopened.
QUEST: Right.
WARDHANA: Previously it was 17 during the pandemic.
QUEST: Fascinating. Well, we're looking forward to coming to visit.
WARDHANA: I'm looking forward to host you.
QUEST: Thank you very much.
WARDHANA: Thank you very much.
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NEWTON: And that is QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. I'm Paula Newton. "THE LEAD WITH JAKE TAPPER" is next.
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