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NBA Commissioner Announces Player Suspensions
Aired November 21, 2004 - 18:40 ET
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DAVID STERN, NBA COMMISSIONER: Today I announced the following suspensions resulting from the actions at the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Piston's game on November 19. Indiana's Ron Artest has been suspended for the remainder of the season. Indiana's Stephen Jackson has been suspended for 30 games. Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal has been suspended for 25 games. Indiana's Anthony Johnson has been suspended for five games. Detroit's Ben Wallace has been suspended for six games. Detroit's Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman and Chauncey Billups have each been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on court altercation and Indiana's Reggie Miller has been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on court altercation.
The penalties issued today deal only with one aspect of this incident, that of player misconduct. The actions of the players involved wildly exceeded the professionalism and self-control that should fairly be expected from NBA players. We must affirm that the NBA will strive to exemplify the best that can be offered by professional sports and not allow our sport to be debased by what seemed to be declining expectations for the behavior of fans and athletes alike.
There are other issues that the NBA must urgently focus on at this time and we will. First, we must redefine the boundaries of acceptable conduct for fans attending our games and resolve to permanently exclude those who overstep those bounds. Quite simply, participants in and around the court must be assured complete protection from unacceptable fan behavior.
Second, we must reexamine the adequacy of our current security procedures in Detroit and our other 28 arenas. The actions at Friday's games, though unprecedented, must now be factored into all efforts to guarantee the well-being of our fans and players and all in our buildings.
Finally, we must develop and implement new NBA rules to assure that the unavoidable confrontations likely to occur in the heat of competition are not allowed to escalate to the level we witnessed on Friday, even prior to their egregious behavior, excuse me, by individuals in the stands. I'm happy to answer any questions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right guys. As usual, raise your hand, I'll take you on you. Wait for the boom mike and identify yourself and name and affiliation. Darren?
QUESTION: Commissioner Sir Jeremy Chad (ph) from ESPN. What was your personal reaction when you saw for the first time what had happened Friday night?
STERN: I would say shock and revulsion and fear were my reactions to watching the spectacle that occurred on Friday night at palace in Auburn Hills.
QUESTION: Liz Robbins, "New York Times." Can you discuss how the decision came about to suspend Ron Artest for the entire season? Was that unanimous and can you tell us why?
STERN: It was unanimous.
QUESTION: Can you discuss it?
STERN: 1-0.
QUESTION: Can you discuss the reasons for the entire year?
STERN: I guess I would -- I don't mean to make light of it. It's my decision and I decided it. And I spent the weekend reviewing more angles and tapes and replays than I have, I think, in many years combined. And we conducted and had the results of another something in excess of interviews of employees, players, referees, attendees and at the end of that investigation, it's my responsibility to decide on penalties for player conduct, and this is the one that I decided on.
We have to make the point that there are boundaries in our games. And that one of those boundaries which is -- has always been but is hereby announced to be immutable, is the boundary that separates the fans from the court and players cannot lose control and go into the stands, and we have to -- there's a corollary, which is we have to hold fans accountable for their anti-social behavior as well.
Exactly how that will be done is something that we will undertake to study and implement. But if anything can happen here, that's good, although, we didn't ask to be at the epicenter of this discussion. We now, I think, are going to be in this discussion about what we're going tolerate with respect to fan behavior, what we're going to tolerate with respect to player behavior, and what we now deem to be adequate security procedures to protect both. And here we go.
QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) Fox 5 sports. You talked about looking at the security situation in all of your arenas. What can you do immediately to address that?
STERN: Well, we're in touch with all 29 arenas to assure that they have adequate security in place. But for Friday's event, we were under the steadfast belief that they did and that may still prove to be the case. If the reality is that our society and our arenas exist, based upon a social contract, that if you've got everyone knows that if 20,000 fans decided to go on a rampage, we'd have a serious problem on our hands no matter what we did.
In addition, I think no matter what security procedures you have in place, you have run a risk that a player can jump into the stands or that fans will behave on an anti-social basis. So we just have to review all of the procedures and really, I think begin anew to determine what that covenant of civil behavior can -- in our arenas is going to be about, because we cannot tolerate a repetition of what occurred Friday night in Detroit.
QUESTION: Hi, David. Mitch Lawrence (ph), "Daily News." How much did Artest's history factor into your decision, A. And B, is he going to have to undergo any type of psychological testing or do anything to prove to you next year that he can handle the role of being an NBA player and coming back?
STERN: I would say that I -- that to the extent that it was my decision, I did not strike from my mind the fact that Ron Artest has been suspended on previous occasions for the loss of self-control.
In addition, I would say that each of the players are going to have to satisfy us that they understand the gravity of what they've done and that we have assurances that it will not be repeated by them and that may take different forms with respect to different players, but this is something that will definitely be on an agenda.
Frankly, we've got a lot of work to do in the next several days and coming weeks, but it is our practice and has been our practice to deal specifically with the discipline itself in a timely fashion, which we have. There may be other wrinkles, you know, I'm sure that someone is going to ask me about the salary cap or some connectivity like that and I just want to make the point that this is about something much more profound. And it was important for us to get this out.
And to your point, we will be expecting the players to be able to assure us in a manner satisfactory to us that they're capable of accepting the professional guidelines that come from being and attached to being an NBA player, which is the exercise of self-control and professionalism that was absent here.
QUESTION: Commissioner Stern, Darren Ravel (ph) from espn.com. How confident are you that these suspensions will hold up?
STERN: I'm confident, Darren, that these suspensions will hold up, but they were not -- they were not made with that test in mind. They were made under my authority as commissioner to deal with on court suspensions and misconduct and we're quite confident that they will be upheld.
QUESTION: Mike Monroe, "San Antonio Express News." David, in that regard, did you consult with Billy Hunter? And do you feel have you his full support in this action?
STERN: I would not put Billy Hunter at that risk to say that I feel I have his support and have consulted with him. I have informed Billy. He knows about this. I informed it before it was announced and I -- didn't ask him for his support, although, I do know generally how Billy feels about making the arenas safe for players and fans alike.
I accept the reality that he has a job to do and a constituency to represent and I didn't try to in anyway impinge or influence that, but I think that in light of our relationship and in light of the common concerns we have about our game, I accorded him the respect that he would accord to me of keeping him advised of what was going on and what the decision was going to be.
QUESTION: Commissioner Bob Grachanski (ph) AP radio. You mentioned that you had given some thought to Ron Artest's previous history. With that in mind, did you consider harsher sanctions against him?
STERN: You know, I can't -- I can tell you that I -- you know, I couldn't factor out his previous history, and if it had been, perhaps, another person who had a different track record here, might it have been different? I can't say for sure, but I think it's a fair point to make that it might have been.
QUESTION: Commissioner Stern, Mike Noble from CBS News. Yesterday, there was another fight in a sporting event, the Gamecocks versus the Clemson Tigers. There was quite a scuffle on the field. Coach Holtz got involved. Clemson coach Tommy Bowden has said he's blamed the aggressions on the brawl between the Pistons and the Pacers, he said for 24 hours, they've watched this fiasco on TV, on every major broadcast that thing was covered and they sat there and watched it and watched it and watched it. Is there any comment regarding that, and do you think that the brawl at the Pacers' game may have had an effect on the Gamecocks and Clemson Tigers?
STERN: Well, I can understand a certain fatigue that came from the amount of times that this was run. It obviously made good copy. And I counted in one news report that lasted 20 minutes, I think I counted 16 repetitions of it. But in all deference to the coach on that one, the spectacle of state troopers having to separate college kids is part of the same problem that we're all dealing with is. What is -- what's acceptable from players, athletes and fans alike and we'll deal with our problems and they should deal with their substantial problems.
QUESTION: Commissioner Stern, Chris Palmer ESPN, the magazine. What was the decision not to suspend Fred Jones who was about five or six rows up, right in the middle of all the ruckus and clearly left the bench. What's the decision not to suspend him?
STERN: A, I think he was in the game. I'm not positive. But B, we actually had the good news was there were players in the stands attempting to act as peacemakers. And if you were on the court and you're acting as a peacemaker.
(OFF MIKE)
STERN: Yes. All the players were interviewed. And -- hold on for a sec. But there's a -- there's a -- for us, if you were on the court or you were or even, you know, we encourage players to act as peace makers. In fact, when I talk about additional rules, we have to find a way when an incident has stopped and there's an ample opportunity for tempers to cool down and things to end, we have to find a way to end it right there.
And that's the message that players who don't understand are going to get in a more -- in a firmer way, henceforth, I can tell you that, because we definitely had certain flash points that could have been -- that could have been useful to avoid. And in the context of our athletes standing there, screaming at each other across the divide of a single referee whose job it is to keep them apart and not removing themselves from a point of conflict is just going to have to be addressed because obviously, whatever we do, and I want to say something here on a very personal basis. It's really an apology of my own.
Whatever it is that we've been doing with respect to lowering the level of expectation with respect to events such as this, obviously, wasn't enough because it led to where we are now, and that means that this is the occasion for us to start again. I'll accept the responsibility. We -- we -- we patronize our athletes and our fans by accepting the fact that they should be allowed to engage in something less than civilized, you know, conduct. To watch the out of control fans in the stands to me was disgusting. It doesn't excuse what our players did in going into the stands, but we have to begin examining that and examining, OK, players. There's the unavoidable flare-up but now what do we do, because we're professionals and we understand that, to calm it down? Rather than somehow expressing the misguided notion that the -- that receiving the adequate respect makes you -- makes it necessary for you to place other people at bodily risk.
It's not going to be tolerated. And it's -- and as a result, it's not going to be tolerated at its early stages, but there's if a flare-up, get it over with, and go -- and move away and move on. That's where we're going in the NBA. I don't know the specifics of it but that's where we're heading.
QUESTION: John Weinstein, WNBC Sports. Commissioner Stern, are the Pistons as an organization going to be held responsible for the conduct of the fans in any way or the lack of security? Is there going to be...
STERN: I'm not prepared to talk to the lack of security yet and I don't know what the proper approach is with respect to the holding an organization accountable and in what way with respect to their fans. I would say now the entire league is put on notice, but based upon this unprecedented fiasco. And we're going to -- and we're on notice and we have the responsibility to come up with an intelligent response to it. As I said, we've got really here the beginning of our work and not the end of it.
QUESTION: Just a clarification on the root of responsibility, a two-part question. First, the Pacers, do you have any disappointment in light of Ron Artest's history that they didn't do enough to monitor him and also a clarification on, do you think that the referees were at fault at this point in not controlling him?
STERN: Actually the referees were in their right positions. You know, one standing back, another keeping the players away from the fray and the third right in the middle of it. I -- you know, I made a reference earlier that in order to restore order at the college game, there seemed to be a battalion of state troopers, which is not something that we have gone to in the NBA, and I'm not looking to go to. We'd like to think that the civil contract that guides us in our games is such that -- that we understand what may happen and can adequately deal with it.
Obviously, we had a breakdown in Detroit on Friday. As it relates to the Pacers and Ron Artest, I would say to you that -- that Ron is not been unwilling to seek to control his emotions and to -- you know, and to exercise a kind of self-restraint, and self-control and to seek assistance to do that, but unfortunately, whatever assistance he has received to this point, did not keep him from doing something that was unforgivable on Friday night.
QUESTION: John Gianone (ph) from the Madison Square Garden Network. Commissioner, I'm wondering if there are any details that you can share about how you plan to better protect that border as you called it, between the players and the fans and might it involve any new policies toward the way arenas sell alcohol to time frames (ph).
STERN: I think that's a - I think that's an issue that we're going to have to examine with respect to alcohol service. I know that most of the companies that, you know, the beer companies do preach responsible consumption and we have to be in the position to ensure that we're not doing anything that goes against that tenet and if that requires us to have a uniform policy on the way beer sales are cut off, that's something that's got to be part of the mix. We have to look at everything.
QUESTION: Dave (INAUDIBLE), "Daily News." Could you talk a little bit about the Jackson and O'Neal, the quantity of the games in terms of, did you see them going in? You talked about Jones as a peacemaker. They went in to fight. Is that the reason that these were...
STERN: Well, in fairness, Mr. Jackson was well into the stands and he certainly - anyone who watched any television this weekend understood that he wasn't going in as a peace maker. And Jermaine, I think it's fair to say exceeded any bounds of potential peace making with the altercation with the fan in which he was involved and it is (INAUDIBLE) would have been harsher had he succeeded in getting into the stands, which he tried to do but was restrained from. The question is how much harsher? I can't say. There's a - I can't suggest to you that there's an exact science to this, but I'm given the responsibility to look at the tapes, understand what's in all of the interviews and then make a decision and it's not to say that somebody else wouldn't have made a somewhat different decision, but that's just the responsibility that I have.
QUESTION: How concerned are you about the boundaries that were crossed on Friday or in your mind, is this something that seriously was just an extreme as it possibly was, which was a one-time deal. Are you extremely concerned of perhaps something flaring up like that again?
STERN: I am less concerned in the future because whatever doubt our players may have about the unacceptability of breaching this boundary, they now know the line is drawn. And my guess is that it won't happen again, certainly not by anyone who wants to be associated with our league. But I think we have to move equally quickly with respect to fan behavior and it's important that we not make that all of our fans, but there is an element out there that thinks that they can take certain liberties that didn't used to be the case and we have to decide what the limit of that is and it may be that we have to lose some fans and that's OK with me. We just have to come up with a process for making sure that it's properly done.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'll take three more (INAUDIBLE)
QUESTION: Commissioner, you said initially you reacted with revulsion and fear. Can you tell me, what do you mean by fear and what were you - what did you fear?
STERN: Fear that one of our players or one of the fans was going to be severely injured and permanently injured. When you see that kind of scenario unfolding, your fear is what are they doing? What are they allowing themselves to be set up to do, both to be injured and to inflict injury on others. It's a horrible scene and we - it's our obligation to assure that it's not repeated.
QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) from Swedish radio (INAUDIBLE). I have two questions. In Europe, this is a problem we've found is rather common, a very hard punishment but that is used rather frequently is that the teams has to play in an empty arena. That's happened in Italy in soccer games and stuff like that and the second question is, you've been around for quite a while now. How would you react if this had happened this Friday (ph)? Was it the worst thing that's happened?
STERN: I haven't done the computation, but I think I've been commissioner for somewhere in the neighborhood of 21 years, I don't know. Some of those were in smaller, lower numbers of games and teams, but we probably between 20 and 25,000 games. This is the worst one I've ever seen in the NBA, period.
Number two, I'm well aware of the fact that there are times when fans are absented from soccer stadiums. If their behavior can't be guaranteed or the safety of the players can't be guaranteed, I would like not to think that that would ever come to pass in the NBA, but we'll do whatever is necessary to make sure that we set, we exemplify the best of sports and not the worst of sports. That's what we're interested in doing and if this event allows us to do that and to begin a dialogue on a broader basis, including with the coach who thinks that the, that the college football brawl was because his young men were watching television too much instead of thinking about the game, that's OK with me. It may be that we can have something good come out of that, come out of this event, would be a good thing and that's what we would very much like to do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Final question.
QUESTION: David (INAUDIBLE), "San Antonio Express News." Will the consideration of policies to protect players possibly include plastic barriers behind benches and so forth as you see sometimes in Europe.
STERN: I would like it not to come to that. You know that they're called cagers (ph) because the games used to play behind cages. I would like - I don't - it would not be my plan to be commissioner of a league that was sufficiently concerned in a society that required players and fans to be separated. That would be an unacceptable result. We have to do everything possible to redefine the covenant between players and fans and between fans and fans and make sure that we can play our games in a very welcoming and peaceful setting and that's what we're setting out to do. Thank you very much.
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DAVID STERN, NBA COMMISSIONER: Today I announced the following suspensions resulting from the actions at the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Piston's game on November 19. Indiana's Ron Artest has been suspended for the remainder of the season. Indiana's Stephen Jackson has been suspended for 30 games. Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal has been suspended for 25 games. Indiana's Anthony Johnson has been suspended for five games. Detroit's Ben Wallace has been suspended for six games. Detroit's Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman and Chauncey Billups have each been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on court altercation and Indiana's Reggie Miller has been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on court altercation.
The penalties issued today deal only with one aspect of this incident, that of player misconduct. The actions of the players involved wildly exceeded the professionalism and self-control that should fairly be expected from NBA players. We must affirm that the NBA will strive to exemplify the best that can be offered by professional sports and not allow our sport to be debased by what seemed to be declining expectations for the behavior of fans and athletes alike.
There are other issues that the NBA must urgently focus on at this time and we will. First, we must redefine the boundaries of acceptable conduct for fans attending our games and resolve to permanently exclude those who overstep those bounds. Quite simply, participants in and around the court must be assured complete protection from unacceptable fan behavior.
Second, we must reexamine the adequacy of our current security procedures in Detroit and our other 28 arenas. The actions at Friday's games, though unprecedented, must now be factored into all efforts to guarantee the well-being of our fans and players and all in our buildings.
Finally, we must develop and implement new NBA rules to assure that the unavoidable confrontations likely to occur in the heat of competition are not allowed to escalate to the level we witnessed on Friday, even prior to their egregious behavior, excuse me, by individuals in the stands. I'm happy to answer any questions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right guys. As usual, raise your hand, I'll take you on you. Wait for the boom mike and identify yourself and name and affiliation. Darren?
QUESTION: Commissioner Sir Jeremy Chad (ph) from ESPN. What was your personal reaction when you saw for the first time what had happened Friday night?
STERN: I would say shock and revulsion and fear were my reactions to watching the spectacle that occurred on Friday night at palace in Auburn Hills.
QUESTION: Liz Robbins, "New York Times." Can you discuss how the decision came about to suspend Ron Artest for the entire season? Was that unanimous and can you tell us why?
STERN: It was unanimous.
QUESTION: Can you discuss it?
STERN: 1-0.
QUESTION: Can you discuss the reasons for the entire year?
STERN: I guess I would -- I don't mean to make light of it. It's my decision and I decided it. And I spent the weekend reviewing more angles and tapes and replays than I have, I think, in many years combined. And we conducted and had the results of another something in excess of interviews of employees, players, referees, attendees and at the end of that investigation, it's my responsibility to decide on penalties for player conduct, and this is the one that I decided on.
We have to make the point that there are boundaries in our games. And that one of those boundaries which is -- has always been but is hereby announced to be immutable, is the boundary that separates the fans from the court and players cannot lose control and go into the stands, and we have to -- there's a corollary, which is we have to hold fans accountable for their anti-social behavior as well.
Exactly how that will be done is something that we will undertake to study and implement. But if anything can happen here, that's good, although, we didn't ask to be at the epicenter of this discussion. We now, I think, are going to be in this discussion about what we're going tolerate with respect to fan behavior, what we're going to tolerate with respect to player behavior, and what we now deem to be adequate security procedures to protect both. And here we go.
QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) Fox 5 sports. You talked about looking at the security situation in all of your arenas. What can you do immediately to address that?
STERN: Well, we're in touch with all 29 arenas to assure that they have adequate security in place. But for Friday's event, we were under the steadfast belief that they did and that may still prove to be the case. If the reality is that our society and our arenas exist, based upon a social contract, that if you've got everyone knows that if 20,000 fans decided to go on a rampage, we'd have a serious problem on our hands no matter what we did.
In addition, I think no matter what security procedures you have in place, you have run a risk that a player can jump into the stands or that fans will behave on an anti-social basis. So we just have to review all of the procedures and really, I think begin anew to determine what that covenant of civil behavior can -- in our arenas is going to be about, because we cannot tolerate a repetition of what occurred Friday night in Detroit.
QUESTION: Hi, David. Mitch Lawrence (ph), "Daily News." How much did Artest's history factor into your decision, A. And B, is he going to have to undergo any type of psychological testing or do anything to prove to you next year that he can handle the role of being an NBA player and coming back?
STERN: I would say that I -- that to the extent that it was my decision, I did not strike from my mind the fact that Ron Artest has been suspended on previous occasions for the loss of self-control.
In addition, I would say that each of the players are going to have to satisfy us that they understand the gravity of what they've done and that we have assurances that it will not be repeated by them and that may take different forms with respect to different players, but this is something that will definitely be on an agenda.
Frankly, we've got a lot of work to do in the next several days and coming weeks, but it is our practice and has been our practice to deal specifically with the discipline itself in a timely fashion, which we have. There may be other wrinkles, you know, I'm sure that someone is going to ask me about the salary cap or some connectivity like that and I just want to make the point that this is about something much more profound. And it was important for us to get this out.
And to your point, we will be expecting the players to be able to assure us in a manner satisfactory to us that they're capable of accepting the professional guidelines that come from being and attached to being an NBA player, which is the exercise of self-control and professionalism that was absent here.
QUESTION: Commissioner Stern, Darren Ravel (ph) from espn.com. How confident are you that these suspensions will hold up?
STERN: I'm confident, Darren, that these suspensions will hold up, but they were not -- they were not made with that test in mind. They were made under my authority as commissioner to deal with on court suspensions and misconduct and we're quite confident that they will be upheld.
QUESTION: Mike Monroe, "San Antonio Express News." David, in that regard, did you consult with Billy Hunter? And do you feel have you his full support in this action?
STERN: I would not put Billy Hunter at that risk to say that I feel I have his support and have consulted with him. I have informed Billy. He knows about this. I informed it before it was announced and I -- didn't ask him for his support, although, I do know generally how Billy feels about making the arenas safe for players and fans alike.
I accept the reality that he has a job to do and a constituency to represent and I didn't try to in anyway impinge or influence that, but I think that in light of our relationship and in light of the common concerns we have about our game, I accorded him the respect that he would accord to me of keeping him advised of what was going on and what the decision was going to be.
QUESTION: Commissioner Bob Grachanski (ph) AP radio. You mentioned that you had given some thought to Ron Artest's previous history. With that in mind, did you consider harsher sanctions against him?
STERN: You know, I can't -- I can tell you that I -- you know, I couldn't factor out his previous history, and if it had been, perhaps, another person who had a different track record here, might it have been different? I can't say for sure, but I think it's a fair point to make that it might have been.
QUESTION: Commissioner Stern, Mike Noble from CBS News. Yesterday, there was another fight in a sporting event, the Gamecocks versus the Clemson Tigers. There was quite a scuffle on the field. Coach Holtz got involved. Clemson coach Tommy Bowden has said he's blamed the aggressions on the brawl between the Pistons and the Pacers, he said for 24 hours, they've watched this fiasco on TV, on every major broadcast that thing was covered and they sat there and watched it and watched it and watched it. Is there any comment regarding that, and do you think that the brawl at the Pacers' game may have had an effect on the Gamecocks and Clemson Tigers?
STERN: Well, I can understand a certain fatigue that came from the amount of times that this was run. It obviously made good copy. And I counted in one news report that lasted 20 minutes, I think I counted 16 repetitions of it. But in all deference to the coach on that one, the spectacle of state troopers having to separate college kids is part of the same problem that we're all dealing with is. What is -- what's acceptable from players, athletes and fans alike and we'll deal with our problems and they should deal with their substantial problems.
QUESTION: Commissioner Stern, Chris Palmer ESPN, the magazine. What was the decision not to suspend Fred Jones who was about five or six rows up, right in the middle of all the ruckus and clearly left the bench. What's the decision not to suspend him?
STERN: A, I think he was in the game. I'm not positive. But B, we actually had the good news was there were players in the stands attempting to act as peacemakers. And if you were on the court and you're acting as a peacemaker.
(OFF MIKE)
STERN: Yes. All the players were interviewed. And -- hold on for a sec. But there's a -- there's a -- for us, if you were on the court or you were or even, you know, we encourage players to act as peace makers. In fact, when I talk about additional rules, we have to find a way when an incident has stopped and there's an ample opportunity for tempers to cool down and things to end, we have to find a way to end it right there.
And that's the message that players who don't understand are going to get in a more -- in a firmer way, henceforth, I can tell you that, because we definitely had certain flash points that could have been -- that could have been useful to avoid. And in the context of our athletes standing there, screaming at each other across the divide of a single referee whose job it is to keep them apart and not removing themselves from a point of conflict is just going to have to be addressed because obviously, whatever we do, and I want to say something here on a very personal basis. It's really an apology of my own.
Whatever it is that we've been doing with respect to lowering the level of expectation with respect to events such as this, obviously, wasn't enough because it led to where we are now, and that means that this is the occasion for us to start again. I'll accept the responsibility. We -- we -- we patronize our athletes and our fans by accepting the fact that they should be allowed to engage in something less than civilized, you know, conduct. To watch the out of control fans in the stands to me was disgusting. It doesn't excuse what our players did in going into the stands, but we have to begin examining that and examining, OK, players. There's the unavoidable flare-up but now what do we do, because we're professionals and we understand that, to calm it down? Rather than somehow expressing the misguided notion that the -- that receiving the adequate respect makes you -- makes it necessary for you to place other people at bodily risk.
It's not going to be tolerated. And it's -- and as a result, it's not going to be tolerated at its early stages, but there's if a flare-up, get it over with, and go -- and move away and move on. That's where we're going in the NBA. I don't know the specifics of it but that's where we're heading.
QUESTION: John Weinstein, WNBC Sports. Commissioner Stern, are the Pistons as an organization going to be held responsible for the conduct of the fans in any way or the lack of security? Is there going to be...
STERN: I'm not prepared to talk to the lack of security yet and I don't know what the proper approach is with respect to the holding an organization accountable and in what way with respect to their fans. I would say now the entire league is put on notice, but based upon this unprecedented fiasco. And we're going to -- and we're on notice and we have the responsibility to come up with an intelligent response to it. As I said, we've got really here the beginning of our work and not the end of it.
QUESTION: Just a clarification on the root of responsibility, a two-part question. First, the Pacers, do you have any disappointment in light of Ron Artest's history that they didn't do enough to monitor him and also a clarification on, do you think that the referees were at fault at this point in not controlling him?
STERN: Actually the referees were in their right positions. You know, one standing back, another keeping the players away from the fray and the third right in the middle of it. I -- you know, I made a reference earlier that in order to restore order at the college game, there seemed to be a battalion of state troopers, which is not something that we have gone to in the NBA, and I'm not looking to go to. We'd like to think that the civil contract that guides us in our games is such that -- that we understand what may happen and can adequately deal with it.
Obviously, we had a breakdown in Detroit on Friday. As it relates to the Pacers and Ron Artest, I would say to you that -- that Ron is not been unwilling to seek to control his emotions and to -- you know, and to exercise a kind of self-restraint, and self-control and to seek assistance to do that, but unfortunately, whatever assistance he has received to this point, did not keep him from doing something that was unforgivable on Friday night.
QUESTION: John Gianone (ph) from the Madison Square Garden Network. Commissioner, I'm wondering if there are any details that you can share about how you plan to better protect that border as you called it, between the players and the fans and might it involve any new policies toward the way arenas sell alcohol to time frames (ph).
STERN: I think that's a - I think that's an issue that we're going to have to examine with respect to alcohol service. I know that most of the companies that, you know, the beer companies do preach responsible consumption and we have to be in the position to ensure that we're not doing anything that goes against that tenet and if that requires us to have a uniform policy on the way beer sales are cut off, that's something that's got to be part of the mix. We have to look at everything.
QUESTION: Dave (INAUDIBLE), "Daily News." Could you talk a little bit about the Jackson and O'Neal, the quantity of the games in terms of, did you see them going in? You talked about Jones as a peacemaker. They went in to fight. Is that the reason that these were...
STERN: Well, in fairness, Mr. Jackson was well into the stands and he certainly - anyone who watched any television this weekend understood that he wasn't going in as a peace maker. And Jermaine, I think it's fair to say exceeded any bounds of potential peace making with the altercation with the fan in which he was involved and it is (INAUDIBLE) would have been harsher had he succeeded in getting into the stands, which he tried to do but was restrained from. The question is how much harsher? I can't say. There's a - I can't suggest to you that there's an exact science to this, but I'm given the responsibility to look at the tapes, understand what's in all of the interviews and then make a decision and it's not to say that somebody else wouldn't have made a somewhat different decision, but that's just the responsibility that I have.
QUESTION: How concerned are you about the boundaries that were crossed on Friday or in your mind, is this something that seriously was just an extreme as it possibly was, which was a one-time deal. Are you extremely concerned of perhaps something flaring up like that again?
STERN: I am less concerned in the future because whatever doubt our players may have about the unacceptability of breaching this boundary, they now know the line is drawn. And my guess is that it won't happen again, certainly not by anyone who wants to be associated with our league. But I think we have to move equally quickly with respect to fan behavior and it's important that we not make that all of our fans, but there is an element out there that thinks that they can take certain liberties that didn't used to be the case and we have to decide what the limit of that is and it may be that we have to lose some fans and that's OK with me. We just have to come up with a process for making sure that it's properly done.
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QUESTION: Commissioner, you said initially you reacted with revulsion and fear. Can you tell me, what do you mean by fear and what were you - what did you fear?
STERN: Fear that one of our players or one of the fans was going to be severely injured and permanently injured. When you see that kind of scenario unfolding, your fear is what are they doing? What are they allowing themselves to be set up to do, both to be injured and to inflict injury on others. It's a horrible scene and we - it's our obligation to assure that it's not repeated.
QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE) from Swedish radio (INAUDIBLE). I have two questions. In Europe, this is a problem we've found is rather common, a very hard punishment but that is used rather frequently is that the teams has to play in an empty arena. That's happened in Italy in soccer games and stuff like that and the second question is, you've been around for quite a while now. How would you react if this had happened this Friday (ph)? Was it the worst thing that's happened?
STERN: I haven't done the computation, but I think I've been commissioner for somewhere in the neighborhood of 21 years, I don't know. Some of those were in smaller, lower numbers of games and teams, but we probably between 20 and 25,000 games. This is the worst one I've ever seen in the NBA, period.
Number two, I'm well aware of the fact that there are times when fans are absented from soccer stadiums. If their behavior can't be guaranteed or the safety of the players can't be guaranteed, I would like not to think that that would ever come to pass in the NBA, but we'll do whatever is necessary to make sure that we set, we exemplify the best of sports and not the worst of sports. That's what we're interested in doing and if this event allows us to do that and to begin a dialogue on a broader basis, including with the coach who thinks that the, that the college football brawl was because his young men were watching television too much instead of thinking about the game, that's OK with me. It may be that we can have something good come out of that, come out of this event, would be a good thing and that's what we would very much like to do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Final question.
QUESTION: David (INAUDIBLE), "San Antonio Express News." Will the consideration of policies to protect players possibly include plastic barriers behind benches and so forth as you see sometimes in Europe.
STERN: I would like it not to come to that. You know that they're called cagers (ph) because the games used to play behind cages. I would like - I don't - it would not be my plan to be commissioner of a league that was sufficiently concerned in a society that required players and fans to be separated. That would be an unacceptable result. We have to do everything possible to redefine the covenant between players and fans and between fans and fans and make sure that we can play our games in a very welcoming and peaceful setting and that's what we're setting out to do. Thank you very much.
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