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Insurrection In Washington Following Trump Encouragement. Aired 4:30-5p ET

Aired January 06, 2021 - 16:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST: In the midst of all of this, all of this horrendous news that's going on here in Washington, something that none of us ever expected we would see in the nation's capital, I just want to make it official right now.

CNN can now project that the Democrats will be the majority in the U.S. Senate. Jon Ossoff, the Democratic candidate in Georgia, he is defeating David Perdue, the Republican candidate.

Earlier, we projected that the Democrat Raphael Warnock will beat Kelly Loeffler, the Republican candidate. So it's 50/50 in the new U.S. Senate.

But the new vice president of the United States, Kamala Harris, she will be, according to the Constitution, the president of the Senate, so she will break the ties. So, the Democrats will be in the majority, the Republicans will be in the minority.

Anderson, this is important.

But let's get back to this explosive situation that's developing here in the nation's capital, as I keep saying, something I never thought I would see.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Yes.

We started out this day saying that it is going to be historic, and it certainly is, in a whole bunch of different ways. Obviously, Georgia turning blue is one of them.

But we continue to watch the situation where there are still insurrectionists, treasonous people on the grounds the Capitol high- fiving each other, as you see there, just wandering around. Police are trying to maintain order, trying to get control back of the building and its grounds.

David Axelrod, we heard from Vice President -- from president-elect Biden, saying President Trump, stand up, speak out.

The president did release a video that was, frankly, shameful.

DAVID AXELROD, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Not exactly what Biden had in mind, I think. COOPER: What -- I mean, how do you see this day?

AXELROD: Well, first of all, let me say about Biden's remarks it underscores what we have seen since the election, because, basically, Donald Trump has resigned the presidency as of his election.

COOPER: Yes.

AXELROD: And he's just been working on this project of persuading people that the election was stolen from him, as we have dealt with a pandemic, a cyberattack from Russia and many other problems.

COOPER: He's been running at grift while people are dying.

AXELROD: And in each instance, Biden has stood up and played the role that people expect a president to play. And he did it again today and said the things that you would expect a president of the United States to say.

As for the president's video, Dana was exactly right. I mean, there was a perfunctory message, which is go home, let's not play into their hands, but as he called these treasonous folks very special. And he repeated the idea that the election was stolen, stolen from us, stolen from you, stolen from our country.

That is what -- that is the jet fuel that is propelling this insurrection at the Capitol, this lie, and he just used the video to repeat it again.

COOPER: Can I just say, we're watching these images of people, some of them leaving the Capitol grounds, wandering back, high-fiving each other smiling, quite pleased with themselves for what they have done today.

And it's truly just outrageous and pathetic. Each of these people should be shamed for what they have done today. We should look at their faces, and if I was standing on that street -- look at them. They're high-fiving each other for this deplorable display of completely unpatriotic, completely against law and order, completely unconstitutional behavior.

It's stunning. And they're going to go back to the Olive Garden and to their Holiday Inn that they're staying at in the Garden Marriott, and they're going to have some drinks, and they're going to talk about the great day that they had in Washington, and they really did something and stand up for something, and they stood up for nothing, other than mayhem. And a man who is in the despicable waning days of a failed presidency.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Where are the arrests? This is what I want to know.

These are people who invaded my Capitol and your Capitol.

COOPER: Look at this buffoon dressed up as the revolutionary -- he's -- there's nothing revolutionary about him. BORGER: Nothing, nothing.

But where are the arrests? These are people who are breaking the law, who are breaking into a federal building, which Joe Biden called the citadel of liberty, and the president of the United States spoke about not at all, didn't talk about the Capitol, didn't talk about the importance of the Capitol.

He certainly wasn't going to talk about the importance of what was going on in the Capitol, because it was certifying Joe Biden's election and not his election.

And it was so stunning to me that the president, in his little speech, first of all, by the way, did not give it from inside the White House, not from a podium inside the White House.

David Axelrod, you know a lot about this, about the optics of this, not from a podium with a presidential seal, but rather from the garden somewhere.

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AXELROD: He stood at one podium today, and that was at a rally of these people.

BORGER: That was at the rally. That's right.

Stood outside the White House, and then just did a little Twitter thing after Joe Biden said to him, you better go out there and do this.

COOPER: How is it possible...

BORGER: And then he said, we love you.

COOPER: How it possible that the police, the Capitol Police, the Department of Homeland Security -- I know the head of the Department of Homeland Security is on some sort of farewell tour in the Middle East, I believe, right now, Chad Wolf.

But how is it possible that all of these law enforcement organizations who I -- I got to say again, and Van raised this point earlier -- when it was Black Lives Matter, they had people in riot gear ringing the Capitol, as if it was going to be stormed, when it wasn't.

Today, when -- and it was clear. The president himself was encouraging people to march on the Capitol. It's just officers not even arriving here.

VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes.

Look, I think that double standard is something that's driving a lot of people nuts. But let's just take a big step back. We don't know what we're looking at yet.

Is this the end of something or the beginning of something? COOPER: Right.

JONES: Is the death throes of something ugly in our country, desperate, about to go away, and then the vision that Biden talked about is going to then rise up?

Or are these the birth pangs of a worse disorder? That's where we are right now tonight. And I think the country's got to make a decision. I don't want to be partisan. I understand some of these people, their social media feed is only showing them example after example of anecdotes of vote theft, statistical magical thinking that says that this election was impossible.

And so they have been bombarded with that. And because they have been bombarded with that, they're angry. Fine. You have a right to be angry. You don't have a right to insurrection. You don't have a right to sedition. You don't have a right to break into buildings and to hurt police officers.

There has to be a line. And I think if we can just come back together and assert that line, we can disagree, but we have to do a better job of understanding each other.

So, what I want to say is, let's declare that this is the end of something. This can never happen again. We need to snuff this out tonight. We need to hear from every leader, left, right black, white, brown, and otherwise, that this is unacceptable in America, period, and we can work through our differences in another way.

But if we're not careful, we could talk ourselves into this being the beginning of something. And I don't want to do that.

RICK SANTORUM, CNN COMMENTATOR: Yes, I would just -- first off, I think that's a good statement.

I can't imagine -- I know you disagree with me on this, but I can't imagine that this is what the president wanted, that he wanted his people to break into the Capitol and storm the United States Senate and break windows.

COOPER: Of course he did. Of course he did.

He wanted to delay this -- this day as long as possible. That was his whole -- I'm sorry to interrupt, but that was his whole strategy.

SANTORUM: Yes.

COOPER: In fact, his whole legal strategy was just delay -- have the vice president object to this, have it go to the courts, not that it would mean anything, but it would just delay it.

And this is another delaying tactic.

SANTORUM: I understand that he wanted the people to go to the Capitol. I disagree. I don't think -- and if he did, then he's more foolish

than I think he is, because this is a bad, bad day for Donald Trump and a bad day for what Donald Trump is trying to accomplish, and a bad day -- to answer Van's question, my big concern is going forward that Donald Trump is going to stay on the scene, announce he's going to run for president again, and continue to mobilize and rally people to tear apart the Republican Party and the conservative movement going forward, and take on everybody with vengeance that, whoever opposed him, run against them in the primary, try to defeat.

I -- and this, I think, set back that movement in a very, very big way, because I don't know of anybody that I have talked -- I have been hearing from a lot of people. And they -- as I said, they understand -- as Van said, we understand people's anger because they have been fed a lot of information about how crooked the election is.

But they don't understand this. And they don't understand breaking windows and taking over the House and Senate chambers and having a potential -- I don't know who was armed, who wasn't.

But the bottom line is, this is wrong on everybody's count, and not something that we are going to tolerate.

COOPER: Let me ask you.

The Republicans just lost the Senate, and you had Donald Trump Jr. earlier this morning saying, it -- this is Donald Trump's Republican Party, which we have said over and over and over again, which clearly it is now.

Why would any Republican continue to follow this man as he goes off to Mar-a-Lago and with his quarter-of-a-billion dollars -- I know they want some of that money. I know they're afraid of a bad tweet. But, I mean, just -- it's -- the GOP is becoming like a nihilistic death cult if they follow him.

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SANTORUM: Again, I think today -- yesterday and today were two moments within the Republican Party that hopefully will give people in the party the opportunity to step back and say, do we want to sign this death pact?

Because I believe it is a death pact.

COOPER: And you really think that people may be at that point?

SANTORUM: Well, I think so.

Look, I'm hearing from a lot of people. And what I'm hearing is that we didn't sign up for this.

COOPER: Yes.

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SANTORUM: And this is not acceptable. And we're not going to play along with this game.

JONES: And we need to support that. I know, Gloria, you're trying to get in.

And I just want to say, let's try to create a glide path for people who want to break away from this. In other words, I think people have been saying it in different ways. I just want to say explicitly, clearly.

If you want more of this, sign up for it. But if you don't, you need to be with...

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BORGER: But what do Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley do now?

JONES: Exactly.

BORGER: OK? What do they do now?

The fact that they haven't said, OK, you know what, we will come back, maybe we need to reconsider this, because this is what -- they are doing Donald Trump's bidding here. They know that their concerns are not going anywhere.

And let me tell you one more thing. I just heard from somebody who is a good friend, has been a good friend to the president over the years, who is so disgusted, that said -- and this person said, the president incited this.

JONES: Yes.

BORGER: And he should be treated appropriately and promptly.

What does that mean? And to echo what Abby said earlier, the question I now have is, what happens over the next two weeks? This is not over.

Does Congress come back now? Do Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz go back as if nothing occurred?

SANTORUM: I don't -- I think you're underestimating the impact of what happened today...

BORGER: Well, then let's see what they do.

SANTORUM: ... and what that can do to curb any kind of enthusiasm...

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SANTORUM: ... wants to do.

AXELROD: I just want to say, one of the words -- when the president said, there's never been anything like this, where they can take it away from you, that is the essence of Trumpism.

His message is, they are taking this country away from you. And we talk about, how can they -- this is an insurrection, which it is, and we talk about our Constitution, which it is.

They have been told -- Van talks about their social media feeds. It's the president himself who has been telling them for months and months and months they have stolen the presidency of the United States away from you.

These people feel like they are patriots.

SANTORUM: They do.

AXELROD: They feel like they are patriots. And that is really dangerous.

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SANTORUM: I agree.

And there's one thing to peacefully protest. There's another thing to do what's going on here. And looking at the results from Georgia from last night, any serious politico is going to look at that and say, Donald Trump on the ballot may help us win, but there's no evidence that Donald Trump not on the ballot is a winning combination for the Republican Party if we follow him.

BORGER: So does the Republican Party disown him? No.

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SANTORUM: I think -- no, look, you have, what, 10 United States senators out of 50. And you heard the comments before this whole thing happened with McConnell and Toomey and many others standing up and saying, we're not following Donald Trump anymore.

COOPER: Van, and then we got to go to Wolf.

JONES: I just want to say, other countries like South Africa and other countries that have tried to get to a multiracial democracy that works for more people have a lot to teach us.

We should be looking at Mandela and other people around the world. But we are in danger. Democracies are fragile, as Biden said. But there are examples around the world that we can rely on.

And I wanted just to point that out.

COOPER: Let's go back to Wolf -- Wolf.

BLITZER: All right, Anderson, just moments ago, the president-elect of the United States said: "Our democracy is under unprecedented assault."

He is absolutely right.

What's going on right now is unprecedented.

Pamela Brown is with us. She's got some more headlines. PAMELA BROWN, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's

right, Wolf.

And here is the very latest right now on this major breaking news of a coup attempt, as a pro-Trump mob of rioters invaded the U.S. Capitol. We have been seeing this playing out.

Here are some live pictures right outside the Capitol, where hundreds of rioters have been for the last couple of hours. And just moments ago, we learned U.S. Marshals, the ATF and U.S. Park Police, as well as FBI agents are headed to the Capitol, some already there.

All 1,100 members of the D.C. National Guard have been activated. And hundreds of state troopers and local police officers from neighboring Virginia and Maryland are being deployed to deal with this unprecedented, disturbing and, frankly, undemocratic coup attempt.

Now, sources tell CNN, multiple officers have already been injured, with at least one being taken to the hospital. And inside the Capitol, on the House floor, you can see multiple officers right here with their guns drawn, locked in an armed standoff as rioters outside broke the glass and tried to get into the House chamber.

The members of Congress eventually evacuated, some currently at an undisclosed location.

And on the Senate side, multiple rioters were able to get on to the Senate floor.

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Senators had just been debating an objection to the electoral vote count. And you can see them in this video roaming the floor where lawmakers were debating earlier today.

And at one point, a Trump supporters stood on the platform there where Vice President Mike Pence had been minutes earlier.

Look at this. Also at the capitol, a source tells CNN one woman is in critical condition after being shot in the chest on capitol grounds. We do not know where exactly this happened or who shot her -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Yeah, these are really, really awful situations that are unfolding and continuing, by the way, right now.

Alex Marquardt is just outside the capitol for us.

Alex, where exactly are you and what are you seeing?

ALEXANDER MARQUARDT, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Hey there, Wolf.

We are on the northeastern side of the capitol, on the Senate side, that Pamela Brown was just talking about and the situation that we're seeing right here might be best described as a standoff. It's been a bit of a status quo for about the last hour here. What you're looking at there is the northern side of the capitol, hundreds of rioters, insurrectionists, as we've been calling them, gathering on the edge of the Capitol building. We did hear a number of bangs just a short time ago that did sound like flash bangs and movement from these rioters, which would indicate that they are to some extent and to a very small extent, wolf, getting pushed back by law enforcement.

We do see some law enforcement. I'm going to ask my cameraman Ronnie McCray (ph) to point up at the steps on the Senate side, you can see a line of police there. I'm not sure what agency they're from, whether they're capitol police or metropolitan police, but just a little ways farther down, you can still see that there are those rioters on the steps.

So, this is a faceoff between law enforcement and the rioters here. We have seen riot police showing up -- sir, I'm on TV.

We are seeing law enforcement show up over the course of the past two hours, but so far, there has been no serious response by law enforcement just yet. Wolf, as you know, a curfew will go into effect in around and hour's time. There is no indication right now that these protesters have any indication of going anywhere. There's no indication that they had heard the message from the president to go home.

And I just want to highlight one thing that our colleague Anderson Cooper said. Back last summer when the president walked over to St. John's Church and had that entire area cleared out, those protesters were doing far less than something like storming the Capitol and so far, we have seen very little in terms of response from law enforcement, Wolf.

BLITZER: I want you to be careful over there. I know it's going to be dark very, very soon. I'm really worried about what's going to happen once it's dark outside. Pete is also just outside the U.S. Capitol.

Pete, where are you? What are you seeing?

PETE MUNTEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: (AUDIO GAP) apparently between this mob of Trump supporters and police. Police are way outnumbered by this mob here. You can see on the capitol steps here, this is the Senate side, capitol police standing there, in fact, just a few moments ago, we saw two from this group of -- this mob, these rioters, walk up to the police, actually even walk beyond them for a moment. We also heard three loud bangs over on this side of the capitol, what we think are now flash bangs, possibly tear gas, we heard about that from Alex Marquardt.

That led a lot of this group to file over here. From the steps leading up to the capitol on this east side, just to put this in a bit of context, you would never, ever see this many people, this many civilians up on the Capitol right now. We're just on the topside of the capitol visitor's center, which would be very, very locked down during normal times.

One interesting thing that I have to note here, we're just now hearing a metropolitan police helicopter here and we have seen some police officers, I assume police officers, on the roof, potentially snipers, they have been moving into place, vacillating here between peaceful and very quiet, but also a loud mob behind us, as well -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Yeah, the D.C. curfew order by the mayor goes into effect a little bit more than two hours from now, 6:00 p.m. until 6:00 a.m.

Brian Todd, you are also up there in the middle of all of this. Tell us what you're seeing.

BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right, Wolf, we're at the center steps of the Capitol, on the east side. We're going to take you in tighter. You still see some protesters here, really not concerned about the police.

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There's a protester on top of a government vehicle there, they've been standing on these government vehicles over here. This staircase, this center steps, was packed a short time ago and the police were standing just kind of to the side, watching them.

The area where we saw Alex and Pete reporting from a little bit earlier is over there, and we did see some smoke from smoke grenades being deployed over there. And that crowd over there kind of push back, and as they reported, you see that line of Capitol Hill police officers there on the steps, kind of containing that area.

But listen, the protesters had overtaken those steps earlier. Three sets of steps here on the east side of the Capitol had all been overtaken by protesters. Now, two of the three are pretty much clear. This one is still not.

And as you can see, let's take another shot of the protesters on top of this government vehicle. The police have not moved in enforce just yet and it really -- as everybody's been talking about all day, this just kind of reveals the stunning vulnerability that the Capitol has been left under today and, you know, it's -- in evidenced here on the east side, the west side, where the confrontations with police were very tense and we saw protesters climb these risers that were built specifically for the inauguration and start waving Trump flags on top of the risers.

So, they were allowed to, you know, get almost anywhere they wanted on the capitol grounds today and as of now, you know, we hear reports that the police are coming, we hear reports that the National Guard is coming in great numbers -- you're not seeing it here, Wolf. You know, if they're coming, they're taking their time and these protesters are seemingly, you know, they're not inclined to leave and they don't seem to be very worried at all right now.

BLITZER: It does look, though, Brian, like the crowd is thinning out a little bit right now, as it is beginning to get dark.

TODD: They are thinning out. They've been thinning out a little bit over the past hour, but again, they're leaving on they're own volition. They're not leaving because the police pushed them out. We did see two lines of riot gear-clad police come through here walking fairly slowly and there were some protesters trailing behind them, yelling at them, kind of harassing them a little bit.

So, you know, again, there's tension here, but the police, even though, you know, again, we were warned about the curfew at 6:00. We're told that the police and national guard are on the way here, but right now, these crowds are leaving, they're leaving on their own.

And we can show you another shot of over here, there was some movement of protesters, again, where the smoke grenades went off and the rioters have been pushed back there after some smoke grenades went off a short time ago. So, again, these people, you know, are still here, some of them say they're going to stay here, but when the police arrive in force, there could be some real tension here and possibly some violence, Wolf.

BLITZER: Two hours until that curfew goes into effect.

Brian, be safe over there. Be careful.

The former D.C. police officer chief, Charles Ramsey, was also the police commissioner of Philadelphia, is joining us right now.

One hour from now, little bit more than one hour from now, Chief Ramsey, you were the police chief here in the nation's capital. What do you think about this decision to have a curfew from 6:00 p.m. until 6:00 a.m.?

CHARLES RAMSEY, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I mean, it's a good move. These folks aren't going to pay any attention to it, though, but the mayor's got to do what she's got to do.

The bottom line is, they got to start clearing this -- the Capitol grounds. I don't know what they're waiting on. I know they've activate and brought in National Guard supposedly from a couple different states, Maryland and Virginia, as well as the district, maybe they're assemble assembling somewhere and trying to get their battle plan together in terms of how they're going to handle it.

I can look at the flags and tell the wind is blowing pretty good. So, you probably want to move in with the wind to your back in case you have to use chemical munitions or pepper spray or what have you.

You have to get them off the grounds. They have to re-establish a perimeter. They have to get them out of the building. And they need to get started as soon as they possibly can.

BLITZER: Because the mayor, in her statement that was released, Chief Ramsey, said as far as this curfew is concerned, during the hours of the curfew, no person other than persons designated by the mayor, shall walk, bike, run, loiter, stand, by motor, by car, or other mode of transport upon any street, alley, park or other public place within the district.

When you were the police chief, did you ever have a curfew like that? RAMSEY: I don't recall, I mean, during the IMF World Bank, back in

the early 2000s, there may have been a curfew. I just don't recall offhand. We didn't have anything like this.

I mean, the Capitol Police got overwhelmed. There will be a lot of people looking at what happened there. There's about 2,000 capitol police. I don't know why they didn't have enough people available to and least me prevent this from happening in the first place. Of course, you can always hit a tipping point where you can just get overwhelmed.

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But they got overwhelmed quick and they shouldn't have gotten into that building, in my opinion. But we'll look at that later. That's kind of the hot wash after the event. Right now, they have to retake the capitol. And they're going to have to do it with force.

BLITZER: I assume they have to start arresting some of these people who broke windows and trespassed. They just entered into a secure area.

RAMSEY: Anybody inside that building as far as I'm concerned ought to be face down in handcuffs right now.

BLITZER: Yeah.

RAMSEY: That's what they ought to be doing. I don't know what they're doing in there, but they need to be locking them up, without question. But first they got -- they got to gain control. And right now, they don't have control. So, yeah. But --

BLITZER: As you and I know, there's a lot of closed circuit cameras inside that U.S. Capitol, so, they're going to have a lot of evidence if they want to start doing all of that.

What also worries me, Chief Ramsey, is that there's 14 days until the inauguration and I suspect local police, the area police, Maryland, Virginia, military personnel, National Guard troops, they're going to be on alert right now, getting ready for the January 20th inauguration because the president has basically suggested he wants these individuals, rioters, to come back.

RAMSEY: Well, there's chatter on the Internet now about Occupy D.C., and so I don't know if this is part of it or not but that's not surprising, so, yeah, they're going to have to be on high alert. They're not going to be able to let these folks establish camps or anything like that, but the next challenge will be January 20th on the inauguration.

But in the meantime, these next couple days are going to be pretty dicey. And hopefully, you don't get counter-protesters show up that decide they're going to come out now in support of, you know, Biden or what have you. I mean, this is a mess.

So, they better establish control as soon as possible. Let me tell you, it's not going to be pretty. They're going to have to use physical force to get these folks moving and out of there, but they've got to take back the Capitol. There's no two ways about it.

BLITZER: Chief Ramsey, stand by. We're looking at the riot police that are now beginning to converge up on Capitol Hill.

Brian Todd, you're up there, you're watching what's going on. Tell us.

TODD: Okay, Wolf. So, we just saw a line of riot police move up the right side of the center steps on the Capitol's east side there and you see them at the top of the stairs. They are pushing some of the rioters -- they're not really pushing. They're just lining the top of the stairs.

Some of the rioters have started moving down the stairs on their own, but again, not necessarily being pushed by the police. Though the police, now you can see them walking down, so, they are slowly walking some of these rioters off the steps, the center steps of the east side of the capitol.

And this, you know, they're doing this now after several hours that these people have been out here, you know, going inside the building, occupying the balconies, occupying the center steps and also the, you know, the south end steps and the north end steps of the east side of the capitol here, now you see the police kind of walking them slowly off of the steps. Now, this is unfolding peacefully right now. Let's hope that it stays that way.

But, short time ago, Wolf, we can also tell you that rioters were standing on top of these cars and waving flags and really just kind of flowing caution to the wind and there were police not too far away just kind of watching them, but now some of the riot police are just kind of slowly and peacefully moving people off of these steps.

BLITZER: Yeah, let's see what happens, these are critical, critical moments.

So, Chief Ramsey is still with us.

You know, you were the police chief in the nation's capital, Chief Ramsey. We just got a statement from Samuel Holiday, the director of scholarship and operations with the U.S. Capitol Historical Society, and listen to this. He says this. This is the first time the U.S. capitol has been breached since the British attacked and burned the building in August of 1814 during the war of 1812.

Just to give us a little historic perspective of what we're seeing, Chief Ramsey, right now, you and I -- I never thought I would see this and I assume you agree.

RAMSEY: Yeah, I never thought I'd see that, I mean, I was always concerned about monuments like the Lincoln Memorial and places like that, that would be a little more susceptible to having someone just show up and kind of, you know, take it over, but not the U.S. Capitol. I mean, that's pitiful, when you really stop and think about it. There's no way they should have been able to breach the Capitol, period.

But now that they have, now you have to get them out of there and you have to do whatever you got to do to get them out of there. I mean, you just cannot allow this to continue. This isn't a protest. This is about as close to a coup attempt the country's ever gotten to.

You got a very weak guy sitting down there at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

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