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ELEX MICHAELSON, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Elex Michaelson live in Los Angeles. We are following two major breaking news stories here on The Story Is tonight fast moving developments in the investigation and the suspected abduction of Nancy Guthrie and at least nine people killed in Canada's worst mass shooting in decade.
Let's begin though in Arizona. And the biggest break so far in the desperate search for 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie. A source telling CNN that the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Department have detained a person for questioning. That individual was picked up during a traffic stop in Rio Rico, a town south of Tucson near the US-Mexico border.
Authorities are stressing that this person has not been charged with a crime, but a search warrant is now being executed at a home in Rio Rico. These are pictures from a short time ago right there.
As of now, a law enforcement source telling CNN's Josh Campbell that authorities do not know where Nancy Guthrie may be. That's important. They do not know Nancy Guthrie's whereabouts.
Now all this comes after the FBI released new video and images on Tuesday captured by Guthrie's Nest doorbell camera. It shows a masked arm individual attempting to block the camera in the early morning hours of February 1st. Hours later, Nancy Guthrie was reported missing by her family and authorities maintained their belief that she was abducted.
Authorities still have not publicly identified any suspect, but the director of the FBI, Kash Patel, says the agency is looking at potential persons of interest.
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KASH PATEL, FBI DIRECTOR: I will say we have made substantial progress in these last 36, 48 hours thanks to the technical capabilities of the FBI and our partnerships. And I do believe we are looking at people who, as we say, are persons of interest.
But as you know, with any investigation, you are a person of interest until you're either eliminated or you're actually found to be the culprit or the culprits involved. And that's the stage we're right now.
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MICHAELSON: CNN's Ed Lavandera back with us from Pima County with the latest. Ed.
ED LAVANDERA, CNN SENIOR U.S. NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We have some new video that we can show you tonight from the scene that is unfolding there in Rio Rico. What you're about to see is video that has been confirmed to us that was involved in this traffic stop. It's a silver Nissan Rogue. And our crew there in Rio Rico captured this video just a few hours ago.
You can see the car surrounded by a decent number of law enforcement vehicles there in Rio Rico. And this is happening not too far away from where that area and that street has been blocked off and cordoned off by law enforcement investigators tonight.
This traffic stop happened along the service road of Interstate 19 there on the south of Tucson in the town of Rio Rico. And then just a short distance from there is where you see the scene unfold from what we understand are Pima County investigators as well as the FBI Evidence Response Team that is conducting a court authorized search of a home there.
They have that street blocked off. And from what I could tell from satellite images, there are about close to 20 homes on that street. That entire street has been cordoned off and it is filled with investigators here tonight.
We have spoken with a woman who says that she is the mother in law of the man who was detained tonight. Listen to a little bit from what she told us just a short while ago.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh no. They came out telling us that they had somebody gave a tip that the lady was in my house. I don't know her name, that we don't know her at all. I don't know who she is. I don't know anything about her. They only said that they gave a tip that she was in my house.
And I told them, you can go in and search my house. There's nobody there. I have nothing to hide. There's nobody in my house and I don't know what's going on. I mean --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have any family members that might know?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, they're investigating my son in law. He's not, had nothing to do with that.
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LAVANDERA: And that woman says that it was her son who was -- her son in law who was detained, that he works as a delivery driver, occasionally driving up to Tucson and the Phoenix area as well.
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But we do not know if exactly to the extent of this person's involvement in this. We have reached out to investigators and they're obviously still conducting the questioning. So we do not have a clear picture yet on what role, if any, we should point out this person played in the abduction of Nancy Guthrie.
And the most important part of all of this, Elex, is that as all of this flurry of law enforcement activity has been going on throughout the night, we still do not have any clear indication as to where Nancy Guthrie might be. Alex.
MICHAELSON: Ed Lavandera for us in Arizona. We go live now to Steve Moore, retired FBI supervisory special agent, who's joined us every night practically since this whole story started. Steve, thanks for being back with us.
What do you make of what --
STEVE MOORE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRIBUTOR: Sure.
MICHAESON: -- the woman that was just interviewed said, giving us insight on this idea? She said, basically, we let them into our house. We've got nothing to hide. I don't even know anything about Nancy Guthrie.
MOORE: Right. And if that's true, this, you know, it could potentially be a bad tip. However, the FBI is not necessarily always going to tell you every little bit of information that they got on a case or maybe there was a tip, but maybe they've got tons of other evidence that caused them to act when they did.
Keep in mind that when you have a hostage here, basically you can't do the normal long term investigation for fear of the harm to that hostage. So sometimes you have to act fairly quickly. That is not to say that they may not have some other good information on this because to get a search warrant, they had to get a federal judge to agree that there was probable cause to believe that this person was involved in the kidnapping.
You know, we've talked night after night and it seemed like they were sort of at a dead end. And then today it seems like every hour there's been a new development. We saw that video that came out, the surveillance video. We heard that bitcoin had been put into this account.
Now we hear about this arrest, this search warrant. What -- from your perspective is going on behind the scenes at the FBI as somebody who knows how they work. What's going on behind the scenes right now? MOORE: Well, you know, things just kind of came together all at once.
What fascinated me was that I understand that there was a $300 deposit put into the bitcoin account that was specified in the ransom note.
And to me, that sounds a lot like putting a fish hook under the water. They probably were looking to see what the person who had that account would do when they got notified that money had come into their account. Certainly they're going to look to see if it's the ransom.
It also tells me that they likely didn't pay the ransom or they wouldn't have to put 300 bucks in to see how they reacted. So it seems like the FBI is working this from about a dozen different directions and a lot of the investigative activities kind of came to a peak all at once.
MICHAELSON: So you think that $300 was from the FBI?
MOORE: I do. Yes, I do.
MICHAELSON: And what was your big takeaway from the video? Because there's a lot that we can learn from looking at that.
MOORE: Yes, the video was just astounding to me. I mean you have this guy coming up, he's got the ski mask and everything, but he's got a gun, a tiny little semi-automatic pistol. Still dangerous, but it's a very small gun. The holster he's using is for the old 5, 6-inch barrel revolvers that, you know, like Clint Eastwood carried.
So there's this tiny little gun in this huge holster and the holster is worn directly below the belt buckle, which is first time I've ever seen anybody wear a gun there. So it certain, I mean it would be kind of like going to a ski lift and having your parka on backwards. People are going to look at you and say what are you doing?
So -- and then, you know, the fact that he sees the ring camera or the Nest camera and he goes out and gets some bushes and plants he thinks is going to cover it up. What was he thinking?
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MICHAELSON: Well, we say he and we don't know necessarily. It was a he. It could be a she too, which is another interesting thing that we as we look at that video as well. Steve Moore from the FBI, thank you for being on all day long with CNN. You've been doing great insight all day long --
MOORE: Thank you.
MICHAELSON: -- and you've been with us night after night. Thanks for staying up late with us tonight again. We appreciate it.
MOORE: Call me anytime.
MICHAELSON: Thank you. And reminder, speaking of calling, we're asking anybody with any information to contact the Pima County Sheriff's Department. The number is on your screen. 520-351-4900. You can contact the FBI. We will keep showing that number until hopefully Nancy Guthrie is found alive.
Our coverage of the Nancy Guthrie case continues in just a moment, including the latest on the search efforts underway right now in Rio Rico, Arizona. We are there with new information.
Plus, we are getting details on a deadly mass shooting at a school in Canada where attacks like this are extremely rare. Check in with CNN's Paula Newton in Canada next.
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MICHAELSON: Our breaking news coverage of the search for Nancy Guthrie continues in just a moment. But now let's get to more breaking news. This story in Canada, where at least nine people have been killed in a mass shooting at a school and a home.
There's a lot we still don't know. But the shooting happened in a remote town in the province of British Columbia. At least seven of the victims were fatally shot at the top Tumbler Ridge Secondary School. Dozens of others injured, and two people found dead at a residence thought to be connected to that incident. Suspected shooter who may be female, also dead.
CNN's Paula Newton picks up the story from there from Canada.
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PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Elex, the details of this are just so difficult to fathom and there's profound shock and horror not just in this small community in British Columbia, but really right throughout the country.
What happened was that early afternoon an alert went out by police. They told everyone to shelter in place and they indicated there was an active shooter. They had reports of an active shooter at the local high school. I mean, it's just a few thousand people in the town, only a few hundred people in the high school. And police went there.
They tried to determine exactly how many people were injured and had died. I want you to listen now to an update that we received from RCMP.
SUPT. KEN FLOYD, ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE: Multiple injuries and multiple deceased were inside the school as officers progressed through the scene locating them and triaging those events. We also located two deceased at another scene.
NEWTON: So what we know is that six were found dead in the high school as well. The suspect with a self-inflicted injury, another person died on the way to hospital and two people, as you just heard him say, died at another residence. Police refused to say what the connection is between the suspect or anyone.
They are not saying if these are students or teachers, but also horrifying the fact that at least a couple of dozen people were either treated locally for serious injuries in some cases or also had to be airlifted.
This is a community in complete shock in terms of the suspect. They are only saying that the suspect does involve the person that they had described in the alert and that was a woman wearing a dress with brown hair.
They don't know anything else just in terms of the relationship that this active shooter, this suspect had with anyone in the community. And also not saying much about any kind of a motive at this point.
Just terrible sadness and really trauma right throughout the community. It is a close knit community, very small. And you can imagine the parents, the relatives that were in lockdown and were told they couldn't even go to the school to determine whether or not their loved ones were safe. And so many in the community right now just figuring out where their loved ones are and still hoping to find those who've now been airlifted to hospital. Elex.
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MICHAELSON: Paula, Newton, so, so sad. The Canadian prime minister has issued a statement, Mark Carney wrote that he is devastated by the horrific shootings, that he joins Canadians in grieving with those whose lives have been changed irreversibly. The prime minister also thanked the first responders.
From that back now to our other top story. Authorities searching a home in Southern Arizona right now as part of the investigation into the apparent kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie. That home located in Rio Rico, which is not far from the Mexican border. It's about 60 miles south of Tucson where Guthrie was last seen.
A person was detained during a traffic stop in Rio Rico and is now being questioned by law enforcement. A source tells us they have stressed that this person has not been charged with the crime.
And the questioning authorities still have not gleaned the location of Nancy Guthrie. They still don't know where she is. Joining me now for more on this is private investigator Logan Clarke, plus retired lieutenant with the L.A. County Sheriff's Department, Gil Carrillo, well known for his work on the Night Stalker case.
Gentlemen, thanks for staying up with us to talk about this. Both of you have so much experience with this sort of thing.
Logan, let's start with you. I know you say that it appears that these criminals were both smart and stupid.
LOGAN CLARKE, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Yes.
MICHAELSON: Tell us why.
[01:20:00] CLARKE: Well, it's not like any kid. I worked hundreds of kidnappings all over the world. This is not like anything normal. They pulled off the kidnapping and got her out. They obviously had some inside information. Somebody's giving them information on her, who was at the house.
MICHAELSON: What do you mean by inside information?
CLARKE: I guarantee you there's someone connected to the family, close to the family. I don't know if they're a relative or whatever, but there's someone who gave the information to these people, these guys.
The reason I say guys is because this one guy that went up to the door, but he didn't do it by himself. There had to be two, maybe a guy driving a car, if they had any brains at all. The two guys to get Nancy out of the house, get her into the car and somebody to drive the car. But they didn't figure out the second half either. Something happened to Nancy.
MICHAELSON: By the second half you mean?
CLARKE: The exchange --
MICHAELSON: Yes.
CLARKE: -- the proof of life. Nobody does a kidnapping, sends a ransom note for money and then doesn't -- you got to show proof of life. In the old days they would have a newspaper, today's newspaper, take a picture in front of them. You can't do that today with AI.
MICHAELSON: Right.
CLARKE: So they would have to talk to her and you know, say, where did you meet your husband? What it -- what do they give you for Christmas? You know, things like that only she would know, that they wouldn't know. So they know they're talking to her today. She's alive today.
And something must have happened because they didn't, what, 10 days and they haven't shown any proof of life. You're not going to get a dime. Hopefully they didn't pay any money. I know they sent $300. You know, that's nothing.
MICHAELSON: Yes, compared to the 6 million.
CLARKE: Yes, exactly. I've gotten them from. I had 3 million dollar ransoms and gotten them down to $50,000.
MICHAELSON: Wow.
CLARKE: You know, they always ask for a ridiculous amount of money.
MICHAELSON: What's your big takeaway of the day so far?
GIL CARRILLO, RETIRED LIEUTENTANT, L.A. COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: Just I listening to all the pundits, the people talking about the case and awful lot of speculation going on. I'm still in the same position I was when I spoke to you last week. And that is they know what they're doing. I don't believe this is an isolated stop, just a random traffic stop.
MICHAELSON: They know what they're doing.
CARRILLO: They know what they're doing.
MICHAELSON: The FBI, meaning the folks that are --
CARRILLO: Exactly.
MICHAELSON: -- investigating this right now.
CARRILLO: They've been onto this vehicle or that individual before that traffic stop. And so all they're doing is following up the video that they showed today, this afternoon that they released. Could be concerned -- could be stimuli -- stimulating. Maybe they wanted the suspect to see this, that now they know they've got a little more than they put out before. See if there's any activity on his part. And it went out and there was activity and he got stopped.
MICHAELSON: So meaning, so that could have been a strategic thing to both. The bitcoin thing, sending the $300 could have been a strategic thing to try to see how they do. But you say actually releasing the video was also a strategic thing too.
CARRILLO: It certainly could be very easily, could be construed as stimuli -- stimulating. You're putting out what you want --
MICHAELSON: And what's the purpose doing that?
CARRILLO: To get some activity, get some reaction from somebody that they're onto, that they're following it as a person of interest. Whether they call him a person of interest. I laughed earlier because they made it a point not to call him a person of interest or a suspect. They were calling him a subject.
And I was asked about that on another newscast. I said, you can call him an ice cream salesman. You can call him anything you want to. A man shows up at your house at 1:30 in the morning wearing a mask, armed gloves, out in the middle of nowhere.
MICHAELSON: We don't know though, that this person, this FedEx driver is that person. Right?
CARRILLO: Yes.
MICHAELSON: I mean, the mother in law certainly sounded convincing, did she not?
CARRILLO: They all sound convincing. You know, I'm sure when they talk to him, whoever he is or she is --
MICHAELSON: Yes.
CARRILLO: -- you know, that they don't -- I don't know what you're talking about. It wasn't me. They all, most of them start out with that.
MICHAELSON: Yes. What'd you make of her that this woman that we've seen interviewed, who --
CLARKE: She obviously didn't know anything. I don't think she -- I don't think any of that was fake. I don't think she knew anything. And they wouldn't tell her. They probably didn't tell anybody, you know, what they're doing.
But there's a group that's behind it. That is -- the guy that was at the door is, I mean, the gun he had stuck in the front, you know, you put it on the dominant side either right handed. This guy's left handed. You know, we've been on the left hand side. He should have had a can of black spray paint. Instead of taking the flowers, you know, and putting them up to the window.
Just walk up with a black spray paint, just spray paint it. You know, it's like that.
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He wasted so much time there, and then walks back, gets the flowers, goes back. These are not rocket scientists. I mean, these guys are, you know --
MICHAELSON: But as you said, they pulled -- they pulled off the first day.
CLARKE: Yes, yes. And it -- and it -- because of the area the house is. It's a large area. It's not like there's a neighbor right across the street. So at 1:30 in the morning. But they didn't make noise. They did. It's not like they drug her out of the house. That's why it wouldn't be just be one person.
MICHAELSON: Well, do we know that they didn't drag her out of the house?
CLARKE: Yes, you would have seen stuff -- you would have seen scuffle. You'd have seen, you know, the rocks weren't the blood.
MICHAELSON: There was blood, right?
CLARKE: Yes, there was some blood there. A little bit of blood. That was probably a nosebleed from grabbing her. But the age, the condition, her medical condition, something very possibly could have happened that they didn't expect. And now they can't show proof of life.
What I was afraid of and still a little bit. If something happened to her, the only shot they would have at getting money is saying, if you want to know where the body is --
MICHAELSON: Right.
CLARKE: -- pay, you know, X amount of dollars.
MICHAELSON: Yeah.
CLARKE: It's -- yeah.
MICHAELSON: Well, there's still a lot we don't know.
CLARKE: Yes.
MICHAELSON: And there's still a lot that's happening right now. So we are going to sneak in a quick commercial break. But we are staying on top of what's happening at multiple locations in Arizona as we try to get more information from there.
Again, authorities questioning a person in connection with the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. Will that person be arrested? Will they find Nancy Guthrie tonight? We're up all night with you as this story continues to develop. Stay with us.
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ELEX MICHAELSON, CNN ANCHOR: We continue to follow breaking news. Fast-moving developments in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.
At this hour, authorities in Arizona have executed a search warrant at a home in Rio Rico, which is about 50 miles south of Tucson. The Pima County sheriff's office, which is being assisted by the FBI, says the court-authorized search could last several hours.
Earlier, the sheriff's office said a subject was being questioned after a traffic stop. A law enforcement official says that person was detained. A source says authorities have still not gleaned the location of Nancy Guthrie.
Back with me, private investigator Logan Clarke and retired lieutenant with the L.A. County Sheriff's Department, Gil Carrillo.
Gil, let's start with you. When we were looking at the video from -- that was just released today -- from the night of Nancy Guthrie's abduction, we could see a cell phone in one of them. That's an important clue, right?
GIL CARILLO, RETIRED LIEUTENANT, L.A. COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: Well, its electronic. That's why with everything they can do technically today, they can ping that phone. They can find out where it's been. They can track it down just like they would any vehicle. What area it's been in, whether it was in that area or not. Where it went to from there, where else it's been used. So they, they have that ability today.
MICHAELSON: And they can figure that out even though it's kind of grainy video and you can't really tell. I mean, they can figure out which cell phone it is.
LOGAN CLARKE, FOUNDER AND DIRECTOR, GLOBAL PURSUIT INVESTIGATIONS: Well, they can -- they'll do a pull from the nearest tower and they'll get every single cell phone that pinged off of that tower. And whether it's -- as long as it's on they don't have to call anybody. So they pull all the cell phones from that. They've confiscated all the cell phones at this house. Right.
MICHAELSON: Yes, let's get into that. Let's remind people of that. So -- so that was the night of the -- of the -- of the abduction.
CLARKE: Right.
MICHAELSON: Tonight, what's happening now? They've narrowed in on this particular house. And we just heard from the mother-in-law of the person who has been detained, who said that they took his phone, her phone, and everybody's phone that lived there. What does that tell you?
CLARKE: They're looking -- they're taking those phones and they're seeing if any of those phones called that cell phone that was in that guy's waist.
Now you really have something.
MICHAELSON: Yes.
CLARKE: So they can just pull all of that down from the tower. And if any one of those phones called that phone, bingo.
MICHAELSON: That's your person.
CLARKE: Yes. They've got -- well, they -- yes. And that's their --
MICHAELSON: So that puts them --
CLARKE: They know, yes.
MICHAELSON: -- that puts them right there.
CLARKE: Exactly -- puts them involved with the guy that was at the front door.
MICHAELSON: Yes.
CLARKE: And that guy wasn't at the front door just to mess around, you know. He obviously was part of this. He was the pre part of it or part of the whole thing.
MICHAELSON: And would presumably have some information about Nancy Guthrie's whereabouts.
CLARKE: Absolutely. And if -- and if something happened to her, they're going to clam up like crazy. They're just going to -- I don't know, I don't know nothing. I didn't see nothing. I didn't do nothing.
MICHAELSON: Right. Yes.
I mean, how -- because you've been a part of sort of interacting with folks in these situations. How do you go about an interview in something like this?
CARILLO: Every one of them is different, but it might -- it's always been my contention. Treat people like you'd like to be treated if you were in their shoes. You have to have understanding that they do things for a reason.
You don't condone their actions, you just have to understand them. And if you do, it makes it much easier to talk to them. Talk to them in a nice, level, even-keeled. Don't belittle them. Don't be angry with them. Just talk.
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MICHAELSON: So that's kind of the opposite of what you see in the movies sometimes --
CARILLO: Exactly.
MICHAELSON: -- where the cop's throwing stuff around and --
CARILLO: Exactly.
MICHAELSON: -- hitting them and all of that. You say take the opposite approach.
CARILLO: The opposite approach has been -- worked for me. In fact, during the Night Stalker case, Ramirez called me Gil, and I called him Rich. Never once did I raise my voice. And there was never any disrespect from him -- part upon me and he's probably, without a doubt the most vile person I've ever interviewed.
So this person, you have to watch what you say. Refrain from using heavy words like "murder" and "robbery" and "kill". You know, she passed. It's not what you intended to do, but it happened. Now we have to face the facts and deal with what we have to deal with.
So you just try to make it as low key as possible to get them to open up.
MICHAELSON: Yes, and then that conversation. And then sometimes they say nothing though right?
CARILLO: Sure. Sometimes they say nothing, but you've lost nothing if they say nothing. If they have -- if they're not giving you, you had nothing.
If you go in there like you see on TV and you start yelling and slamming and doing stuff like that, they're darn sure not going to say anything to you because just imagine if you were a child when your parents start yelling at you, you know, you didn't respond.
But if they came at you, nice oh, son, I understand why you did this, you know, then you get a little -- a little more action.
MICHAELSON: What gets you to that level of being a quote, unquote "suspect" which so far they have not said that this person is a suspect.
CLARKE: So sometimes you could do good guy-bad guy, cops, you know, so. And so sometimes you do. You know, one guy will be really nice. And if that's not getting anywhere, you have somebody come in and get, you know, a little more scary.
I'm usually the bad guy when I come in. I'm the guy that doesn't go, you know, yes.
MICHAELSON: So you guys have different approaches?
CLARKE: Yes. Everybody does.
CARILLO: Yes. And in response to your last question, I don't understand the difference between suspect and person of interest, subject.
You know, you're talking to somebody and it's serious and you focus in on a case. That you're not interviewing them because they're a friend.
They're principals. There's something that's going on with this case, that makes them suspicious and so suspect is just a shorter term for suspicion.
MICHAELSON: Although we have seen in some of these high-profile cases as of late sometimes people that are detained who end up having nothing to do with the case --
CARILLO: Sure.
MICHAELSON: -- we saw that with Brown University. We saw that after Charlie Kirk. There's so much pressure to try to get somebody that they get somebody, but then that person has nothing to do with it, and that is possible that's what's going on here right now. We just don't know.
CLARKE: And if you call him a suspect on television, now you're going to -- you might face a lawsuit.
MICHAELSON: Right.
So that's why -- that's why that word is so important.
CLARKE: Subject. You know, when it's a suspect, they've got to -- they've got to really have something. Because if they just start talking about, well we got a suspect --
MICHAELSON: Right.
CLARKE: -- you know, you're going to have a lawsuit.
MICHAELSON: Yes.
All right. Well you guys stay right here. We are continuing to keep track of what is happening in Arizona. And our live coverage will continue right after this. [01:38:05]
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MICHAELSON: More now on our breaking news coverage of the Nancy Guthrie case.
Right now, authorities are conducting a court-authorized search of a home in Rio Rico, Arizona. The Pima County Sheriff's Office says the operation expected to last several hours.
Law enforcement officials have detained a person for questioning. The official stressed that that person has not been charged. A source says authorities still do not know where Nancy Guthrie is.
There was a traffic stop of that particular vehicle that was part of this story tonight.
For more, we're joined live now by former FBI profiler Jim Clemente. Thank you so much for joining us and staying up late with us. We appreciate it.
Talk to us about what you're seeing tonight. And from an FBI perspective, how you assess what they're doing right now.
JIM CLEMENTE, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Well, what they're doing is a normal part of the investigation. It's being done in a very high- profile way at this point, particularly because of all the interest after the production of that video or those videos and the pictures.
But it may or may not be somebody that is closely tied to this case. It may be just somebody who they had a tip about. And that person may have been moving. They may have had him under surveillance, and they were afraid that he was going to leave the area. So they stopped him and are questioning him.
The search, if it's of his home or of a different location, maybe a location that he's tied to.
But I think there's a lot of things about this -- the video that was shown today and, and his behavior that tells us a tremendous amount about him to include the fact that he may be somewhat forensically- sophisticated because he tried to cover up everything that he could, but he did not wear a face mask. He did not wear something over his mouth.
So if he spent 40 minutes or so in the house, he left a lot of DNA in there. And it may be difficult to find because it's coming out a couple of cells at a time. But if they find it they'll be able to tie it to him.
And he also did not come prepared. He didn't know how to deal with the door camera. Tried to cover it with brush. And in the process, I think if you really examine that video and freeze frame it, it looks like he may have a tattoo on his right wrist. It seems to be two intersecting lines. I have no idea what it is, but
it could be a plus sign. It could be a cross. It could be just part of another tattoo. But that's the --
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MICHAELSON: And that's -- and that's it right there in the picture that we have up on, on the screen right now.
And how key is that? I mean, that's got to be like a gold mine if you're -- if you're a profiler, right?
CLEMENTE: Well. Yes. Well, If that is his -- if that is actually a tattoo and not some other kind of artifact, I don't know what it could be other than that, but if it is a tattoo, then it's going to be very critically important in terms of doing a search of anybody who may have any information about it.
It's also critically important that people in the public, if they know someone with such a tattoo -- we can only see a small part of it there -- but if they know of somebody who has a tattoo who's been acting very differently lately, who's been under a lot of stress who may have called in at work or left the area for an emergency or been just acting very strange before this kidnaping happened or -- and/or during it -- especially today when those images were released. I think the stress level on that person probably multiplied tenfold today.
MICHAELSON: You've not only been involved with the FBI, you were co- host, creator of the show "Real Crime Profile", writer producer on CBS' "Criminal Minds".
Today, in a lot of ways, has felt like a TV show. Between the video coming out and the news about the bitcoin and then this arrest. I mean, has this almost felt like a production? And why do you think that this particular story has so captured the hearts and minds of so many people, not only around the country, but around the world?
CLEMENTE: Well, I think you're right. It has felt sort of theatrical today. Of course, we have a very, very grim set of circumstances here. We have a woman who's been kidnaped, who needs medical attention, who probably hasn't been getting that medical attention. And her life has to be at grave risk.
So it's very serious, but I think its captured the hearts and minds of so many people because it is such a family event. We have -- we have a very well-known media person who everybody loves. She's got a great personality and everybody loves her.
And to have her mom, who's been on the show with her and their relationship obviously is so great -- to have that torn apart, it's just been -- it's been heart-wrenching for this country and everybody wants to see it resolved in a positive way.
Unfortunately, it's been -- it's been a while. And the circumstances are such that, yes, she's at great risk if she's even still alive. MICHAELSON: Well, let's hope she is. And wouldn't it be amazing if all
of these tips now lead to a -- that happy ending that we all are rooting for and would be amazing to see in the next few hours?
CLEMENTE: Yes.
MICHAELSON: It certainly seems like a lot is going on right now, which is why we are staying on the air late tonight to follow all this.
Jim Clemente, thank you for staying up late with us. Really appreciate your insights.
CLEMENTE: All right.
MICHAELSON: All right.
Sneaking another commercial break. More coverage right after this.
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MICHAELSON: More now on the search for Nancy Guthrie.
Arizona police have shut down access to a road in Rio Rico as they carry out a search warrant. The area is near the U.S. border with Mexico. A spokesperson with the Pima County Sheriff's Office had earlier told CNN that a search warrant is being executed at a home in the area.
A woman tells CNN authorities searched her home after someone sent a tip that Guthrie was there. Here is that exchange from a short time ago. It's very interesting.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They came out telling us that they had somebody gave a tip that the lady was in my house. I don't know her name. Como se llama?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nancy Guthrie.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That we don't know. We don't know her at all. I don't know who she is. I don't know anything about her.
They only said that they gave a tip that she was in my house and they told them, you can go in and search my house. There's nobody there. I have nothing to hide. There's nobody in my house, and I don't know what's going on.
I mean --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have any family members that might know?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No they're. They're investigating my son-in-law. And he's not -- had nothing to do with that, either. I don't know. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What's his name?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- nothing to do with it either. I don't know what's going -- what else to say?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're just invading my property. I told them they're going in and out my house, taking a lot of pictures and everything.
I mean like I told them, we're not hiding anything. I give them permission to go and search. There's nothing in my house. You won't find anything because we don't have nothing to hide.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this your son-in-law's vehicle?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The one that was -- on the side of the -- that's my daughter's vehicle.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So what is your -- what is your son's name?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your daughter?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. That's --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you live in -- it's her husband. It's your son- in-law --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. My son-in-law.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- who they took away?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes -- he has nothing to do with it either.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he ever say anything about Nancy Guthrie?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nothing. Nothing. We never -- like I told the FBI, the investigator if I knew anything about her, I said I saw her on Facebook, but I didn't read what was going on with her because I don't know her and I don't have the right to.
I mean, if I don't know anybody, I won't read the story and just go over, keep on going on the phone because I don't know her.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So how did this all happen?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know. Somebody --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you home when they --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. No. I was, I was coming from Tucson when they had my son outside the house. They broke in my house without a warrant or nothing. They broke my door. They went inside my house.
My son was playing Nintendo. He had his headphones on. They got him and put him in handcuffs and took him outside. And then they asked him, what's going on? Anything you say -- you have a search warrant? They said they didn't have any search warrant by then. And they still ask him. Do you still have a search warrant? And they don't give me an answer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does your son-in-law ever go to Tucson?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He works in Tucson.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What does he do?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's a delivery guy. He does like FedEx or something like that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ok.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's what he works on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And so you're not allowed to go home right now?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. They wanted us in. They're keeping going in and out of my house, taking pictures, and I don't know why. I mean --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your son was the one that was detained. Yes, he was detained for -- they showed me a video to see if it was him, to see if he --
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. He's my son-in-law. If I know if I recognize the thing he was wearing. He doesn't have any of that -- he doesn't have anything that comes on the video --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Surveillance footage?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- from the house, I think.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: they showed me the picture.
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MICHAELSON: Authorities are asking anyone with information to contact the Pima County Sheriff's Department at the number on your screen, {520)-351-4900 or contact the FBI.
By the way, the reason we were bleeping that name is her son-in-law has not been charged with a crime, has not even been identified as a person of interest.
So that is why we did not name him. If he is in either of those situations, we will put out his identity. Thanks for watching this hour of THE STORY IS.
We are staying on late tonight. We have another hour of THE STORY IS when we come back.
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