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Suspect Arrested After Knife Attack In Hamburg, Germany; Trump Threatens A 50 Percent Tariff On Goods From EU; Judge Halts Ban On Harvard International Student Enrollment; Guilty Verdict In 2016 Paris Robbery Of Kim Kardashian; U.S. And Iran Hold Fifth Round of Nuclear Talks. Aired 3-4p ET
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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.
MAX FOSTER, CNN HOST: I'm Max Foster.
This is WHAT WE KNOW.
And we are starting with breaking news. We are learning that several people have sustained life-threatening injuries now in the knife attack that
Richard was telling you about, Hamburg central station in northern Germany. Police say they've arrested the suspect who is believed to have acted
alone.
Seb Shukla is with me from Berlin - Seb.
SEBASTIAN SHUKLA, CNN FIELD PRODUCER: Yeah, Max, good evening.
Very disturbing scenes coming out of that northern German city of Hamburg, where you say. And police have now confirmed that several people now have
life threatening injuries. Authorities in that city are not yet telling us exactly how many people have been injured. And as always, the case with
these situations, Max, videos and rumors rife on social media with speculation.
At the moment, we don't know how many people have been injured. What police are telling us is that one woman has been arrested, a 39-year-old. They
haven't confirmed any other details about her, except that there is a video that appears to be circulating of somebody being arrested by German police.
We don't yet know if that is the person involved, the perpetrator here.
What we are also learning is that this attack looks like it began sometime around 6:00 p.m. this evening at the Hamburg Hauptbahnhof, which is the
main central station in that city, where trains will come and go across northern Germany as people crisscross across this country and make their
way home after busy weeks, Max, no doubt. And all of this as well is coming at another time for Germany, where this will be, by my count at least, the
fourth such attack that's taken place here since December.
We had the Magdeburg Christmas markets attack, where five people were killed, 300 people injured. There was an attack in a city of Aschaffenburg
which left a two-year-old boy dead, along with a 41-year-old man. There was an attack earlier in March this year in Mannheim, which also left two
people dead, and there was the Munich attack too, which saw a car plow into a group of protesters ahead of the Munich security conference.
So, this is not a new situation for Germany, Max. It's the first such attack to have happened in recent times. You know, we're going, but I'm
talking about weeks here.
What we don't know yet are any real substantive details, including the numbers of dead, the person who perpetrated this, where exactly this place
-- where exactly this attack took place? Was it in the -- was it in the concourse? Was it on the trains? Was it on the escalators? Was it on the
platforms?
We just don't have any details yet. And all of that is being communicated to us by Hamburg police. But those details, Max, at the moment, still
really quite thin on the ground. And as I say, there are various social media videos appearing to show even people being taken away on stretchers.
Obviously, Max, we will try and stay on top of this and bring what we can and what we know at the very, the very latest that we can to everybody,
Max.
FOSTER: Okay, back with you when you get more. We're certainly seeing images of a lot of activity actually on the platform. So, absolutely,
frightening situation to see unfold. And at least they know they're not looking for someone else. So there doesn't appear to be a wider threat at
the moment.
Meanwhile, U.S. President Donald Trump and his on-and-off again trade war seems to be back on again, actually. Mr. Trump is threatening to slap the
European Union with a 50 percent tariff on June the 1st, more than twice the size of the 20 percent reciprocal tariff that was paused last month.
The president expressed his frustration online, saying the discussions are going nowhere.
Here's what he told reporters at the White House a few minutes ago.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We have a big deficit with them. They sell millions and millions of cars, as you know, Mercedes and
BMW and Volkswagen and many others. And we -- we were restricted from essentially restricted from selling cars into the European Union, which is
not nice.
And I just said it's time that we play the game the way I know how to play the game. You know, nobody -- they've taken advantage of other people
representing this country, and they're not going to do that any longer.
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FOSTER: As the trade battle continues, the markets feel the pain from it, 148 points down on the Dow Jones. And we saw the European markets obviously
falling a bit earlier, Richard.
But I think this is interesting because it's a big test, isn't it? The European Union isn't some small player. It's a powerful bloc. And, you
know, they can be tough as well.
RICHARD QUEST, CNN BUSINESS EDITOR-AT-LARGE: Oh no, not can be. They will be. Yeah. The bilateral trade relationship between the U.S. and the E.U. is
the largest in the world, trillions of dollars worth of stuff. It's absolutely vast.
And the E.U. is not going to do. Donald Trump says other countries have come forward and have come forward with good offers and so forth, but these
are small in comparison to the E.U.
The E.U. is not going to be rushed. It's not going to be suddenly panicked into it. It's going to look and say, is this real? Is this necessary? What
do we need to do to counter it? And we will counter it if we need to.
But the difficulty listening to the president just then is what does he want? He keeps talking about I want them to make the cars over here. That
can't happen by June the 9th or June the 1st.
So it's not clear what the price of entry is, if you will, or what the price of success is for the E.U. to get these tariffs off their back.
FOSTER: It feels like the frustration, doesn't it, from these talks. They're playing tough. And he doesn't like it.
QUEST: Exactly. But what we could see is the sort of deal that was done with the U.K., which frankly is a heap of old rubbish. They'll never admit
that publicly, but the fact is it's got a bit of this, bit of that bit of the other, and it's got a load of promises of what might.
FOSTER: Compared with the one at the moment.
QUEST: That the E.U. will have a fudge deal as well.
FOSTER: Yeah.
QUEST: It'll be -- it'll be a bit of this, bit of that bit of the other and everybody will push it off down the road for the future. But at the moment,
if the president decides to stick to his guns, 50 percent would be devastating for both sides.
FOSTER: Yeah. Thank you, Richard.
And Richard will, of course, have more in the next hour on all of that.
A federal judge, meanwhile, temporarily blocking the Trump administration's attempt to ban Harvard from enrolling international students. Harvard calls
the administration's ban unconstitutional retaliation for defying White House efforts to assert control over higher education and refusing to
comply with ideological policy demands as well. Here's what U.S. President Donald Trump said about that in the last hour.
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TRUMP: We have a big deficit with them. They sell millions and millions of cars, as you know, Mercedes and BMW and Volkswagen and many others. And we
were restricted from essentially restricted from selling cars into the European Union, which is not nice.
And I just said it's time that we play the game the way I know how to play the game. You know, nobody -- they've taken advantage of other people
representing this country, and they're not going to do that any longer.
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FOSTER: Well, we just thought you wanted to hear the E.U. one again. But there you are. He was speaking to that. The legal battle appears to be far
from over. Then the fate of thousands of students remains in the air.
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EMIL HANSEN, HARVARD STUDENT: I think within half an hour, I had a hundred messages on my WhatsApp. People panicking, making contingencies. Today,
there's been a lot of sort of back and forth about people entering the country again. Is it safe? People have been detained at the border as well.
It's crazy. And I think a lot of us didn't think it was going to come to this.
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FOSTER: Katelyn Polantz joins us now from Washington.
I mean, you really feel, don't you, for the students caught in the middle of this, not knowing -- what on earth they're going to be able to do with
their education right now when they've tried so hard to get into what is such a prestigious university. Just take us through what the court decided,
though today, is this just a sort of a stay? I mean, how long does it last?
KATELYN POLANTZ, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: It's an emergency decision by the judge, and it will be temporary. Theres going to be more
proceedings even next week. Two different hearings with this judge already set for next week. That's because the way that the Trump administration did
this, putting in place basically with immediate effect, this revocation of the ability of Harvard to have foreign students on their campus, not just
from a couple countries, but from 143 countries, at least, that drastic move by the Trump administration was effective immediately.
Yesterday, the lawsuit from Harvard, a very big media case, got filed this morning saying this is a constitutional violation. It's a procedural
violation by the administration, and it has significant, immediate, devastating impact on Harvard and all of its functioning, not just the
ability to educate those students, but everything that it does, because there are so many international students at Harvard in their graduate
programs, in the undergraduate programs, even on campus right now, and coming to campus for other things.
Max, the one thing that Donald Trump said, though, in the Oval Office today, when asked about the Harvard situation, he said Harvard's going to
have to change its ways. So here you have the White House versus Harvard, neither of them willing to come to the table and set their differences
aside in any way.
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You have a very significant case, and you have it before a federal judge in Massachusetts. It is very likely to move quite fast. And the judge is
already saying in just a one page order today, putting a stop to what the Department of Homeland Security and the Trump administration wanted to do
here with student visas, saying that even initially, initially with very little evidence proven in court, yet it did look as if Harvard has shown
they will have immediate and irreparable harm done to them if this sort of thing is in place.
But we're going to have to watch and see exactly what else the administration does. If other universities could face similar situations,
and then exactly what happens, not just in the court that this is before now, but in appeals courts like the Supreme Court of the United States.
FOSTER: Okay, Katelyn, thank you for bringing us all the detail.
We've been hearing from students who are unable now to go to Harvard in their view, which is really sad, but well be speaking to someone who
advises students on applying to Harvard later on for advice.
In Paris, a guilty verdict has been reached for the ringleader accused of robbing celebrity Kim Kardashian. A total of ten suspects face charges of
armed robbery, kidnaping and conspiracy. Eight of those suspects were found guilty of crimes linked to robbery happened in 2016, when the reality TV
star the billionaire businesswoman, was in the city for fashion week. Thieves tied her up at gunpoint and stole $10 million in cash and jewelry.
Melissa Bell joins us from Paris.
And, you know, it was a very captivating trial, wasn't it? Because the way Kim spoke so powerfully when she was in the witness stand. I mean, take us
through the verdict and how this is being received.
MELISSA BELL, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, she has just put out a statement reacting not just to the verdict, that we now have the
sentences as well. And speaking, I just read for you from it, Max, because it goes back to very much what she had to tell the court here last week
that she's deeply grateful to French authorities for pursuing justice. The crime was the most terrifying, she said, experience of my life leaving a
lasting impact on me and my family. Although she mentions, as she did in court, that she continues to work for a fair justice system.
Clearly, it was very emotional testimony that she gave here, really speaking about what she'd been through, this lasting impact that it had on
her life. So, they'll be some sense of relief. In fact, she's spoken of the closure that this was bringing when she took the stand. What we have
tonight are the sentence is we knew that there were eight out of the ten that had been found guilty. Weve now learned that many of them have got
prison sentences. Several of them, some of those suspended.
And it is, of course, the two that have probably attracted the most attention, one, because he's accused of being the ringleader, Aomar Ait
Khedache, the other because he wrote a book about having kidnapped Kim Kardashian, Yunice Abbas. They've both received eight-year prison
sentences, with five of those suspended.
Now, given the time that some of these men served, some of them will be going to jail. Some of them will not. But a sentencing that will certainly
bring some sense of closure, then to Kim Kardashian. And this has had, as you say, all this attention because it had all of these extraordinary
ingredients. Max, there was Kim Kardashian herself.
There was the nature of what had happened to her, the brutal, the violence, the brutality of the attack itself. Back in 2016. And these gang of -- as
they've been called in the French press, grandpa robbers, grandpa gangs, just because of their ages, and the amateur quality, really, of how they
put together this plot and how easily in the end they were captured, given the high profile of the target, the woman they were targeting.
This has had all the ingredients, really, to capture the world's attention. And over the course of the last month, it's been a four-week trial. Theres
been a great deal of interest to see what would happen in the end tonight. Many of those found guilty will have had those sentences handed down. None
the full ten years sought, but many will face more time in jail -- Max.
FOSTER: Okay, Melissa, thank you so much for bringing us that from Paris.
Now, almost 800 people have now been released in the first phase of what's being expected, what's expected to be the biggest prisoner exchange between
Ukraine and Russia since the start of the war. The swap will continue over the weekend and could see up to a thousand people released from each side.
This is the only significant outcome of the talks between Kyiv and Moscow, in Istanbul last week.
Nic Robertson now reports.
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CROWD: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to heroes!
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: A first taste of freedom, reunion by phone. I'm alive, I'm healthy, he says. Ukrainian
soldiers back on home soil, joyous and survival, celebrating release, emotions overflowing as Russia and Ukraine begin their biggest prisoner
exchange since Russia began its illegal, unprovoked, full scale invasion of Ukraine 39 months ago.
Two hundred and seventy troops and 120 civilians of each side released Friday. Some of the 1,000 from each side expected over the coming days.
I'm just so happy to go home and see my family, this Russian soldier says. In any conflict, what you are seeing here might build trust, lead to the
end of conflict. But not here. Not yet at least.
This is the fifth such exchange this year, the 64th since the war started. And while it was agreed during the first face to face Ukrainian-Russian
talks in Istanbul last week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy described it as the only tangible result of the meeting.
Ukraine agreed two months ago to President Donald Trump's demand for a 30- day unconditional ceasefire. Russia still refuses. The low level talks in Turkey last week, the prisoner exchange this weekend, the latest examples,
Ukraine says of Russian President Vladimir Putin's intransigence in the face of Trump's optimism that he is on track to brokering peace. On his
truth social platform, the U.S. president jumping the gun on the actual exchange, saying this could lead to something big.
Since Russia invaded in 2022, it has released more than 5,000 captured Ukrainians, according to Ukrainian officials. But some families are still
missing loved ones, turning up Friday hoping for news.
This mother, with pictures of her son. Many Ukrainians fear the swaps like the one this weekend, are part of the cycle of war. Not a harbinger it's
about to end.
Nic Robertson, CNN, London.
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FOSTER: U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres says Palestinians in Gaza are now enduring what may be the cruelest phase of the war. He says
supplies from just 115 trucks have been collected since Israel eased its months long total blockade, and he says nothing has yet reached northern
Gaza. Guterres says families are being starved as the world looks on.
You can see here the desperation as people scramble for bread tossed down at a distribution site. The Israeli agency that oversees aid delivery says
there's no food shortage in Gaza.
Iran says the fifth round of nuclear talks with the U.S. has complicated -- is complicated, but professional delegations met today in Rome trying to
reach a deal over Iran's nuclear program. A senior U.S. official called the meeting constructive but said more work needs to be done before the talks
ended. Iranian sources told CNN they don't believe a deal is likely. The U.S. is demanding Iran stop all enrichment, uranium enrichment. And Iran is
refusing to do that, saying its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes.
Coming up, President Trump makes a new tariff threat to Apple is warning for the tech giant and probably for consumers as well, just ahead.
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FOSTER: Reigniting an old flame, U.S. President Donald Trump is taking his trade war to Apple, putting the company's CEO, Tim Cook, on notice. The
president took to social media demanding Apple shift its iPhone production to America from India, or else face a 25 percent tariff. Cook had
previously said Apple would move from China to India to pay a lower tariff cost.
Speaking last hour, Mr. Trump said the same tariff could also apply to other phone makers.
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TRUMP: It would be also Samsung and anybody that makes that product. Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair. So, anybody that makes that product and
that will start on, I guess, the end of June, it'll come out. I think we have that appropriately done by the end of June. So if they make that
product now again, when they build their plant here, there's no tariff. So they're going to be building plants here.
But I had an understanding with Tim that he wouldn't be doing this. He said he's going to India to build plants. I said, that's okay to go to India,
but you're not going to sell it to you without tariffs. And that's the way it is.
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FOSTER: Apple stock reacting to the news in this way down more than 3 percent. Not shocking, but obviously a few billion dollars.
So, with a potential 25 percent tariff on apple, what we don't know is how much might the cost of an iPhone actually rise for Americans, joining me
now is Wayne Lam, principal analyst with TechInsights.
This is one of the things you need to consider, isn't it, when you're looking at the market.
So, for Americans, how might this affect the prices of iPhones?
WAYNE LAM, PRINCIPAL ANALYST, TECHINSIGHTS: Hi, Max. Thank you for having me on.
For, well, theoretically, a quarter percent -- well, 25 percent increase on the imports would apply to the cost of the goods coming in.
So that's a different measure than the retail price, but clearly Apple would, would likely not, would likely pass on these increases to consumers.
Of course, they're a publicly traded company. They have a fiduciary responsibility to shareholder returns. So, they have to essentially
compensate the differences in cost and keep their operating margins constant. So, very likely --
FOSTER: But we're talking about several thousand, aren't we, for an iPhone basically?
LAM: Yes.
FOSTER: Is it interesting that he mentioned Samsung as well? Because, you know, that's significant, isn't it? Because if you're a consumer and
iPhones become too expensive, you're likely to choose a Samsung as well. But actually, you're not going to have that route. Probably they're both
going to be expensive.
LAM: Right, right. Exactly. However, the. So going back. To the tariffs, the tariffs would be applied to the goods coming in. And here at the
TechInsights, we've analyzed the cost of the quote, unquote bill of materials and you know, the 25 percent increase, would add about $125 to
$130 on your average iPhone 16, 16 Pro.
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So, it's a matter of how Apple would pass that on to the consumers. But we are expecting, you know, at the very minimum, $1305 -- $125, $130 increase
in your --
FOSTER: What about the other question then? This shift of production that Trump wants from India and China to the U.S. that in itself would increase
prices even further, wouldn't it? Because it's going to be more expensive to make in the U.S. or otherwise, it would already be doing that.
LAM: Yes. We've been at this question for decades, almost, ever since President Obama asked Steve Jobs to make iPhones in the U.S., and history
has borne out that and that, and global economics has proven that it's more efficient and more scalable to build it in China. And what we've done over
the last 20 years is to really hollow out the U.S. manufacturing capabilities and, and skill sets.
So even if we were to bring back manufacturing to the U.S., it would take a lot of effort to reshore those capabilities, talent, machinery. So this
isn't going to happen overnight.
FOSTER: No, but --
LAM: Yeah.
FOSTER: Yeah. But thank you, Wayne.
LAM: What we've done --
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LAM: Sorry. Sorry. Go ahead.
FOSTER: No. It's okay. We need to move on. But thank you for that. I mean, it's a, you know, it's going to be really tough for us consumers if this
isn't resolved in some way. But it does happen.
Still to come, international students tell CNN they feel like poker chips after the Trump administration tries to block them from going to Harvard.
Details just ahead.
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FOSTER: Donald Trump today, reigniting his trade war with Europe. Trump, clearly frustrated at the pace of talks with the E.U. He said on social
media that he wants to slap the European Union with a 50 percent tariff starting June the 1st. Trump had initially announced a 20 percent tariff on
the E.U. back in April, but he suspended that that move during negotiations. He's now threatening a tariff more than double the initial
one. As you can see, stock markets around the world didn't like news of a U.S. war with Europe. They are two major trading blocs which the world
relies on so well.
The main U.S. markets generally down this very much feeding into it to get to the impact here.
Let's speak to Matt Egan.
I mean, this is you know, we always talk about the U.S.-China economies being so important. But the other big one is the E.U.
And I think Donald Trump is really seeing how tough they can be and how they're not going to capitulate.
MATT EGAN, CNN REPORTER: Yeah, Max. And look, this would be a major escalation in this trade war that investors had been pleased seemingly was
sort of easing. When we look at the tariff rate and even the tensions until now.
And to your point, the stakes here are massive, right? Because when you look at the biggest trading partners for the U.S., the top of the list is
the E.U., right? Almost $1 trillion worth of exports and imports between the E.U. and the U.S. last year alone. That's more than Mexico, more than
Canada. It's more than even China and Japan combined.
And so, the risk is if you slap a tariff on the E.U., this could end up disrupting the flow of trade into the U.S. and when you look at what the
U.S. gets from the E.U., were talking about more than $600 billion worth of imports from the E.U. last year alone. Right. Everything from
pharmaceuticals and cars, car parts, aircraft, machinery, wine and other alcoholic beverages as well.
And you think about a 50 percent tariff. We know that companies can't eat all of that tariff. And so, you got to think that at some point that's
going to hit U.S. consumers. And in fact, Barclays put out a research report today saying, look, we view this as merely a negotiating tactic by
the president.
However, if the higher tariffs were to be realized, they would likely weigh on real growth and further boost inflation. So slower growth here in the
U.S. and higher prices. And look, we don't know yet how the E.U. is going to respond. But they've already laid the groundwork for tariffs,
retaliatory tariffs on more than $100 billion of U.S. goods if these trade talks go south. And that is where you could get potential job loss here in
the U.S., Max.
FOSTER: We do know is that they always act pretty slowly, which is probably what's frustrating Donald Trump right now. Thank you, Matt.
EGAN: Thank you.
FOSTER: A federal judge has temporarily blocked the Trump administrations attempts to stop Harvard University from enrolling international students.
It follows a rocky 24 hours for students and staff, with many saying their future at Harvard and in the U.S. is now in question.
Former Harvard University President Larry Summers accuses the Trump administration of pursuing a political vendetta and wrecking lives in the
process.
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LARRY SUMMERS, PRESIDENT EMERITUS, HARVARD UNIVERSITY: This is extortion. It's a vendetta, using all powers of the government because of a political
argument with Harvard, it is violating the First Amendment. It is also violating all the laws we have regarding administrative procedures.
I've often been critical of Harvard on aspects relating to identity politics, antisemitism, and much more. But that's not what this is about.
This is about a vicious attack to pursue a personal agenda.
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FOSTER: So what we want to know is how are foreign students reacting to the Trump administrations move and what do they do next?
David Hawkins is with me. He's founder of The University Guys. It's an organization specializing in international university applications.
And I really feel for many of the students you're working with, I had a message from one saying his brother got a scholarship to Harvard and now he
can't go. I mean, that's not necessarily the case, is it? But just explain how the students you're working with are feeling today.
DAVID HAWKINS, FOUNDER, THE UNIVERSITY GUYS: Thanks, Max. Yes, it's something that's generated a lot of interest just in the last 24 hours.
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Our messages, and indeed a talk I gave to school today, this was a very hot topic, and I think it's really, really important to have the information
like you shared that though the headlines are very stark. And just hearing the clip there, it's really powerful. The legal system in the U.S. is
working its way through with that temporary block on the situation.
The students, however, are picking up some of the mood music that's coming here. And though some of these things are going to work themselves through,
and we would imagine things will resolve themselves as they have with some previous Trump administration policies targeting international students.
It's that feeling that students will have about perhaps not necessarily knowing what's going to happen. And because university admissions is in
such a cycle, students have already paid a deposit for where to go.
They've already made their plans, they've already turned down other offers. It's the fact that this is happening so last minute that really is causing
a lot of concern.
FOSTER: So, what's the advice? I mean, surely the advice is to get a backup offer. But as you're saying, were so late in the process, that's going to
be pretty hard to get. But then presumably, you're dealing with some of the most able students because it's Harvard.
HAWKINS: Absolutely. And Harvard is an extraordinarily selective university. A term rejected is one that we use as college counselors to
talk about a university, which turns away, you know, 95 percent or more of its applicants. The guidance that's coming out from Harvard, and just
within the last hour or so, there has been a communication from the leadership at Harvard saying that there will be processes here.
You will be okay. There are options here for students to pursue. I think the guidance is obviously don't make any knee jerk reactions, let things
happen, go from there. And an institution with the power and the financial heft of Harvard will be able to do things.
I think the real guidance that I would be giving to anyone who's holding an offer for Harvard for next year is the question is, isn't "do I go to
Harvard?" The question is, do I go to Harvard now?
And the same possibly for any other universities that might be caught up in this, there's always the option to defer and gap years can be powerful
experiences for young people. But crucially, keeping in touch with the information, looking at the guidance that's coming out from the university,
speaking to the international admissions officers, the international student and scholar services, what we've seen in other situations like
this, not just in the U.S. but in other countries where the politics and international admissions have conflicted with each other. Is that a little
bit of patience and letting things happen does mean that situations tend to resolve themselves.
So, I wouldn't be rushing now. I would be communicating with the university and just giving it a couple of days and see what happens.
FOSTER: As you say, other universities might be caught up in this because the Trump administration is talking about doing it to other universities,
too? Are you then expecting to see just generally applications to U.S. universities going down, which is obviously a big revenue raiser? And also,
you know, where are they more likely to be applying now? Is it the Oxford, Cambridges of the world?
HAWKINS: Yes. So, the trend actually in looking at the data points over the last few years is there used to be a big fall in terms of the popular
destinations to study a degree in English? The U.K., U.S., Canada and Australasia that has broadened in recent years. Countries like Ireland, the
Netherlands, Hong Kong, India are becoming more popular destinations and students are branching out.
I think there's also a bit of a kind of latency bias in some of this as well. I've heard a lot of students saying to me and to my colleagues at the
university, guys that, well, it will be easier to get into the U.S. next year, won't it? So, I think I've got a better chance. And sometimes that
can counteract really what what's going on here, as ever, with an international student, I think it's wise to have a number of different
options because as we've seen with COVID, as we've seen with politics and policy changes in other parts of the world, these things can happen that
there are no votes really in international students. You are at the mercy of politics. So having a couple of different options is a really wise
strategy.
FOSTER: Yeah. Like that. The idea that if you didn't think you could get in, maybe you got a better chance of getting in now because they are going
to be some people put off.
David Hawkins, thank you so much.
HAWKINS: Potentially, yeah.
FOSTER: Yeah.
HAWKINS: President Donald Trump spoke about Harvard in the past hour. Let's bring you that.
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TRUMP: Billions of dollars has been paid to Harvard. How ridiculous is that? Billions. And they have $52 billion as an endowment. They have $52
billion.
And this country is paying billions and billions of dollars and then give student loans, and they have to pay back the loans. So Harvard's going to
have to change its ways.
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FOSTER: The issue there, of course, is that a lot of those endowments are assigned to particular projects and professorships. So, they can't just be
pulled away and put into the general pot. I think Harvard would argue.
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But meanwhile, the U.S. Justice Department is investigating the fatal shooting of two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, D.C., as both an
act of terrorism and a hate crime. Sarah Milgrim and Yaron Lischinsky were gunned down outside the Capital Jewish Museum on Wednesday after a
humanitarian event. The alleged gunman faces federal murder charges, some of which carry the death penalty.
Elias Rodriguez didn't enter a plea when he made his first court appearance on Thursday. The FBI is now looking into his past online activity. His next
court hearing is scheduled for June the 18th.
Still ahead, we have a verdict in the brazen jewelry theft of reality star Kim Kardashian. We'll bring you more on the case and a big announcement
from Kardashian herself.
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FOSTER: Back to our breaking news. Officials say 17 people have been injured, four critically, in a knife attack in northern Germany. It
happened at Hamburg central station. Police say they have arrested a suspect, a 39-year-old woman. She's believed to have acted alone.
Now, a Paris court has returned a guilty verdict on in the Kim Kardashian multimillion dollar robbery. Kardashian has released a statement saying I'm
deeply grateful to the French authorities for pursuing justice in this case, the crime was the most terrifying experience of my life, leaving a
lasting impact on me and my family. While I'll never forget what happened, I believe in the power of growth and accountability and pray for healing
for all. I remain committed to advocating for justice and promoting a fair legal system.
CNN legal analyst Joey Jackson joins us now.
I don't know, Joey, how much of her testimony that you followed, but it was very powerful. She was up in the dock for five hours. She's gone out of her
way to study law, and she spoke a lot about reconciliation that victims.
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You know, she promotes the idea that there should be reconciliation between victims and how they feel about their attackers.
And a lot of it was really powerful, wasn't it? I mean, what did you make of how she came across?
JOEY JACKSON, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yeah, there's no question about it, Max. I think that certainly was a game changer with respect to recounting her
experience, which had to be harrowing, right? Whether she's a celebrity or not, being in your robe with nothing else on in your room and having people
come into that room and hold you at gunpoint after pointing that gun to you, zip tying you and you thinking you're going to be sexually assaulted.
She was not.
But at the same time, not knowing and having that level of uncertainty and her indication during her testimony that, you know, hey, she has babies at
home, and she just wanted to survive it. And so, you don't know when you're being held up, as she was with the intention of is of those people who are
really going after you. They didn't have murderous intent. They simply wanted a jewelry.
But I think to your question, I think her testimony carried the day and the fact that she is certainly in reconciliation mode, I think, you know,
certainly speaks to who she is, her character and integrity, because many people would have potentially acted far differently. And so, yes, I think
it was compelling with respect to the result achieved here.
FOSTER: And one of the things many people noticed is the incredible jewels she wore to the appearance. She wasn't going to be defeated by these men,
was she? She was owning who she was.
Is that a message to other victims of crimes that you know, be you, don't change, don't let these guys win?
JACKSON: You know, that's a great point. I think that certainly one of the things that could happen and does happen when you have this experience and
she mentioned, Max, it happened to her. She said that Paris used to be the place that she would go, and that was a safe haven, and she would just roam
around at 3:00 in the morning and do what she wanted. After this occurred, she did not go for a number of years and felt quite differently as anyone
would.
But in terms of returning and presenting and going and giving her testimony, yes, she was, as we say, blinged out, right? She certainly had
her jewelry and everything else on. And it's important that people who engage in criminality, that there be a deterrence, that you're not going to
affect who I am, what I am, or my mode of existence in life.
And so, yes, I think it did send a very clear message. And certainly, we should note that in the guiltiness of these parties, eight out of the ten
of them, one having died before going to trial, the sentences at the end of the day were quite lenient. And perhaps, you know, her statements and the
way she approached this had a lot to do with that.
FOSTER: Now, what about this idea of, you know, she looked at the guy accused of being the ringleader and saying, I forgive you. Do you see that
often in cases? I mean, it's a -- it's a very brave thing to do, isn't it? But also, you do hear that if you don't want these, if you -- if you want
to get rid of the anger, the only way of dealing with it is to forgive them.
So, they don't have any control over you.
JACKSON: Yeah, that's so true. I mean, you know, we have in the United States, you know, Paris is different, of course, but you have victim impact
statements. And oftentimes you do hear in victim impact statements, which come after there's a guilty finding, and during the sentencing, right,
which here Paris a bit different. You have your guilty verdict and your sentencing that was imposed. But you have this victim impact where people
are really giving a sense of what they believe they've lost as a result of the case.
And so, it's a mixed bag. Sometimes you have quite people who are quite forgiving and certainly quite sympathetic and empathetic, right? And you
have others who want life without parole, right. Throw them in jail forever. So, I think her comportment, the way she's handled this, the way
she's really looked to reconciliation, the way she's looked to forgiveness, I think certainly drove a lot of the sentencing in terms of the leniency of
it. And I think it sets a certain example and a standard with regard to how this whole case was handled.
FOSTER: Joey, appreciate your insights, as ever from the legal profession. Thank you.
JACKSON: Thank you.
FOSTER: Billy Joel has canceled all of his upcoming concerts after being diagnosed with brain, a brain disorder. A statement posted on social media
says the legendary singer has normal pressure hydrocephalus and a rare disease that is occurring when a person has too much fluid in the brain.
The legendary singer says hell undergo physical therapy and has been advised to avoid performing. He says he's sorry for the cancellations and
hopes to return to the stage very soon.
Still to come, Britain's Prince William launching a new documentary series looking at one of the most dangerous jobs in the planet, as he calls it.
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FOSTER: A crowd breaking celebration in North London, Tottenham Hotspur players and fans took to the streets today for a monumental victory parade,
this after winning their first trophy in 17 years. They beat Man United one-nil at the Europa League final. That was on Wednesday night. In case
you missed it.
Now it is one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet, according to Prince William, and it's a situation, he says the world can no longer ignore.
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PRINCE WILLIAM, UNITED KINGDOM: I've been fortunate enough to travel to Africa many times over the years, and the continent has always held a
special place in my heart. Deep in the Central African Republic lies Dzanga-Sangha, one of our planets last great untouched wildernesses. Here,
elephants and gorillas still roam through ancient forests alongside communities who have lived in harmony with nature for generations. But
these iconic species remain a target for poachers, and protecting them is a daily battle.
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FOSTER: The prince has just released a new documentary series for YouTube, looking at the deadly threats faced by wildlife rangers and
conservationists working around the world to stop poaching. I met him this week. He -- I was invited to a screening. It was due to, you know, show
this series. We knew a bit about it, not very much. And then he turned up, which I think shows how committed he is to this sort of project.
He talked about this being one of the most dangerous jobs in the world that he knew of, and he did that from his military sort of training and
background as well, comparing it even to what they do in the military, because they're so underfunded, these rangers, and they are facing real
threats from large gangs and criminals who are getting increasingly violent because they're linked up with much wider criminal networks.
And essentially, one of the problems they're having is not just are these rangers dying, but they're not managed to recruit anymore. And he used a
statistic saying they actually protect 30 percent of the planet. And yet there are more hairdressers in the U.K. than there are rangers in the
world. Anyway, that's just gone live on YouTube.
Now, Guardians launches on YouTube on Friday -- no, it was open. It started today. It's actually going to carry on next week. Talk about a close call
now.
One man in Norway broke up or woke up to a shock this week. Look at that huge container ship running aground right in front of his house.
The homeowner didn't seem fazed by the ordeal.
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He told reporters he slept through the whole thing and only woke up when a when a neighbor came to his front door.
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HOMEOWNER: I was woken up by an annoying doorbell that just kept going on and on and on. That's probably worse than a bang like this must have been.
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FOSTER: Authorities say no one was hurt and that they're working to remove the ship, but they haven't had any luck so far. It's got a great picture to
put up on the wall.
Not everyone is lucky enough to receive some sage life lessons from the most iconic Muppet of them all. I'm not talking about Richard. On Thursday,
Kermit the Frog delivered the commencement address at the University of Maryland, urging graduates to take the leap into life together.
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KERMIT THE FROG: Stay connected to your dreams, no matter how big, no matter how impossible they seem. The truth is, dreams are how we figure out
where we want to go, and life is how we get there.
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FOSTER: I'm Max Foster. That was WHAT WE KNOW.
Richard, what would you talk about? The markets at one of those events?
QUEST: I'm going to push you off. Push you off the ship.
FOSTER: Got to beat the bell.
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