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MAX FOSTER, CNN HOST: Donald Trump sends a stark message to Hamas as Gaza ceasefire negotiations continue.
This is WHAT WE KNOW.
Just a day after signing the Gaza ceasefire plan, President Trump is issuing a stern warning to Hamas to lay down their weapons as promised in
the agreement. This is what he had to say last hour at the White House.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We have told them, we want disarm and they will disarm. And if they don't disarm, we will disarm them,
and it will happen quickly and perhaps violently. But they will disarm. Do you understand me?
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FOSTER: Only limited -- limited humanitarian aid is getting into Gaza. Despite the ceasefire deal. And that's by design as well. Israel told the
U.N. that its reducing or delaying the expected number of trucks because Hamas hasn't yet released all deceased hostages in Gaza.
The IDF just said that the Red Cross is now on its way to a meeting point in southern Gaza, where several more coffins of deceased hostages will be
transferred into their custody.
So far, the bodies of only four out of 28 deceased hostages have been returned.
Well, a short while ago, member families of some of the hostages spoke publicly for the very first time since the ceasefire. One former hostage
talked about finally being reunited with his newly released brother. Take a listen to this.
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LAIR HORN, FORMER HOSTAGE, BROTHER OF RELEASED HOSTAGE (through translator): Only now, when my little brother, my beloved brother Etan,
finally returned to us. My heart -- our heart is whole again.
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FOSTER: CNN's Jeremy Diamond is in Tel Aviv.
The very positive story coming from the families of the living hostages that came out. But so much heartbreak still, Jeremy, for those who have
deceased hostages who haven't, they haven't got back yet.
JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: That's right. A lot of questions from those families, a lot of frustration. And they are now
trying to bring more pressure to bear on the situation in order to ensure that Hamas holds up its end of the bargain in releasing the remaining 24
bodies of Israeli hostages still in Gaza, and that the Israeli and the American governments actually enforce that agreement and make sure that
Hamas lives up to its end of the deal.
We have now gotten news that the Red Cross is on its way to a meeting point to retrieve the bodies of additional Israeli hostages held in Gaza. We
still don't know exactly how many bodies we are talking about in this instance.
Again, there are still 24 bodies being held in Gaza. What we also don't know is how long it will take to get all of those bodies back. We know that
Hamas has talked about challenges in terms of recovering some of these bodies because of the amount of rubble and destruction that exists inside
of Gaza, but they've also indicated that they don't know the location of all the bodies. And so, a process will have to be underway with the help of
the Red Cross and perhaps Egyptian -- the Egyptian government as well, in order to actually find those bodies, retrieve them and then be able to
return them.
But the fact that yesterday, on the first day of this, we only saw four bodies was a big shock and disappointment to a lot of these families. And
we heard President Trump tonight putting out a post on Truth Social, saying very clearly that Hamas needs to uphold its end of the deal and release the
bodies. So, some clear pressure coming from the United States on that. And in the hours following that, we got this news that the Red Cross was on its
way to a crossing point.
But again, we don't know how many bodies will be released tonight and how long it will take to get the rest of them home in order to provide some
closure for those families -- Max.
FOSTER: Yeah, and also to release the aid as well, into Gaza, it seems.
Jeremy, thank you for joining us.
To the White House now, CNN's Kevin Liptak joins us now.
We've just been hearing, haven't we, from the president? And was there a suggestion there that he thought perhaps the war or admitted that the war
isn't over?
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Because if Hamas doesn't disarm, he could be -- they could be forcibly disarmed.
KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Right. And I think he's probably sort of exposing some of the cracks in what he was spending all
day yesterday touting, which was, quote, peace in the Middle East. The president seems to be acknowledging that there are a number of steps that
need to happen before that can actually be declared, principally among them, whether Hamas will lay down its arms and give up its arms. That's a
component of the 20-point peace plan that has been the basis of this ceasefire and hostage deal that the president is very eager to trumpet.
But he is acknowledging here that that hasn't happened yet. And he was asked in this lunch meeting that he was having with the Argentine President
Javier Milei, what gives him confidence that Hamas will actually do that? And what he said was that Hamas has said that they will. I don't think that
they have said that in writing yet.
And in fact, that has been one of the sticking points for the future phases of these negotiations. But then when he went on to say that if they don't,
that the U.S. would do it for them and that they would do it very violently.
And so, the president sort of laying out very explicitly how he expects this to go in the next phase of these discussions. And I think sort of
underscoring how difficult that process is actually going to be. You know, we heard from the president yesterday when he was asked about the next
phase of the talks, saying that actually, these phases are all sort of lumped together and that going forward, all of this will be sort of
negotiated and worked out over time.
And we heard from Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, the president's envoys in all of this, saying that they would begin immediately to try and work
out some of the thorny issues that have not been resolved in the first phase of these talks. And now the president saying today that potentially
the U.S. could get involved militarily somehow to get Hamas to give up its arms.
And so I think it is sort of a striking dichotomy between what we saw from the president yesterday, which was, you know, this valedictory tour
proclaiming success in bringing peace to the Middle East, and then today suggesting that the U.S. could use its own army and own military to go
after Hamas arms and really kind of an interesting point there.
At one point, I should note that the president was asked whether he had heard from Hamas directly, that it had agreed to give up its arms, and the
president said no, that this was to his top officials, presumably Witkoff and others. But I think interesting comments from the president as he comes
back here to the United States. And I think probably begins to absorb some of the challenges that still lie ahead in this path to peace in the Middle
East.
FOSTER: Kevin Liptak at the White House -- thank you.
President Trump made those comments at a meeting with Argentina's President Javier Milei. That was this hour at the White House. The visit comes just
days after the Trump administration helped Argentina with a $20 billion bailout. The administration argues the move is needed to help stabilize
markets in the region, but critics say it's simply about boosting a close Trump ally before a critical election in Argentina later this month.
The president was asked about it earlier.
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TRUMP: It's really meant to help a good financial philosophy where Argentina can, after 20 years of disaster because it was very successful at
one point and it can be again, like Venezuela. Venezuela was very, very successful and now it's a dictatorship.
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FOSTER: In a key adjusted parliament, France's newly reappointed prime minister, meanwhile, Sebastien Lecornu offered to suspend controversial
pension reforms. This gesture appears to be a major concession as Mr. Lecornu looks to prevent his government from being toppled.
Melissa Bell is in Paris tracking the intense budget pressures.
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MELISSA BELL, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORREPSONDENT: France's prime minister, Sebastien Lecornu has been outlining to the parliament his vision
for 2026 and the budget that France so desperately needs to get passed in order for one to be in place for 2026. A lot riding on his speech, since
already and since he was reappointed on Friday night, the far left and the far right here in France have announced that they will be voting a no
confidence motion on Thursday. The big question whether the socialist party, which have really become sort of kingmakers in all this, would
follow suit.
So, a lot hanging on what Sebastien Lecornu had to say, a lot of moves specifically designed to woo the French left, including the suspension of
the 2023 pension reform that had proven controversial not just in its substance, but also in the manner in which it was forced through
parliament. This is what he had to say about that.
SEBASTIEN LECORNU, FRENCH PRIME MINISTER (through translator): I will propose to the new parliament from this autumn that we suspend the pension
reform of 2023 until the presidential elections.
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No rise in the pension age will take place from now until January 2028, suspending forced spending does not make any sense. Would it be responsible
to suspend without anything in return? The suspension must instill the necessary confidence to create new solutions.
BELL: A speech that appears to have gone far enough in the direction of France's socialists to keep them on side. Still, it will be a very
important vote on Thursday, since when you consider the far right and the far left, it is just 25 votes that are needed from lawmakers in order for
the government to fall. So, it would take 25 lawmakers deciding to vote with those extremes in order for Sebastien Lecornu to become the sixth
prime minister nominated since the start of Emmanuel Macron's second term, but also the sixth prime minister to fall.
For now, the government appears confident that it will get through, that it has won over enough of those parts of the center of French politics that it
needs to govern all eyes very much on what now happens Thursday in the French national assembly.
Melissa Bell, CNN, Paris.
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FOSTER: This week, Volodymyr Zelenskyy set to head back to the White House for meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump. The Ukrainian president told
reporters in Kyiv he plans to discuss air defenses and long-range missiles on Friday. This, as Mr. Trump considers telling Moscow that if the war in
Ukraine doesn't end soon, he might allow shipments of Tomahawk missiles to Kyiv.
Now, we can't predict exactly what Moscow's response would be if the U.S. did supply those Tomahawks to Ukraine. Such missiles are capable of hitting
deep into Russian territory.
Matthew Chance has the details.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tomahawk cruise missile -- even the threat of sending these U.S. weapons to
Ukraine with a range of over 1,500 miles may be enough to bring Russia to the negotiating table. At least that's what President Trump seems to think,
telling reporters en route to the Middle East he may tell the Kremlin to end the Ukraine war or face these formidable weapons easily capable of
reaching Moscow.
TRUMP: I might say, look, if this war is not going to get settled, I'm going to send them Tomahawks. I may send them. The Tomahawk is an
incredible weapon, very offensive weapon. And honestly, Russia does not need that. They don't need that. Yes, I may tell them that if the war is
not settled that we may very well -- we may not, but we may do it.
CHANCE (voice-over): That uncertain threat hasn't come out of nowhere. For months now, Russia has been stepping up its own missile and drone attacks
across Ukraine, stretching air defenses, fuelling Ukrainian calls for a powerful long range weapon to strike back. Potentially deep inside Russia.
We see and hear that Russia is afraid that the Americans may give us Tomahawks, the Ukrainian president declared at the weekend. It's a signal
that exactly such pressure may work for peace, he added.
But in public, the Kremlin has been defiant, insisting the deployment of Tomahawks would have little impact on the battlefield. But seriously
ratchet up tensions between Moscow and Washington.
VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN REPSIDENT (through translator): Using Tomahawks without the direct participation of American military personnel is
impossible. This would mark a completely new, qualitatively new stage of escalation including in relations between Russia and the United States.
CHANCE (voice-over): And the missiles can potentially deliver a nuclear payload, leading to warnings yet again of a catastrophic scenario. It's
impossible to tell whether a Tomahawk carries a nuclear or conventional warhead while it's in flight, the hawkish former Russian President Dmitry
Medvedev posted. "How is Russia supposed to respond?" he asked.
CHANCE: Well, with President Trump now basking in the glory of his diplomatic success in the Middle East, he's clearly not given up on ending
the war in Ukraine. But the hope that just one more powerful U.S. weapon, in this case the Tomahawk missile, could be the key to ending that conflict
may prove a little misplaced.
Matthew Chance, CNN, Moscow.
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FOSTER: Coming up, phase one done. But many issues still need to be resolved in the implementation of the Gaza ceasefire deal. We'll look at
what we know and what we don't, next.
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FOSTER: Let's go back to our top story. The next stage of the Gaza ceasefire plan. U.S. President Donald Trump says phase two is already
underway. As an Israeli source tells CNN, that talks on the matter are ongoing at Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt. Among the issues that need to be
resolved is the disarmament of Hamas, who will make up the international peace force in Gaza and, crucially, who will lead the strip after the war.
The U.S. president says the focus is on rebuilding the territory.
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TRUMP: I'm talking about something very much different. We're talking about rebuilding Gaza. I'm not talking about a single state or double state
or two state. We're talking about the rebuilding of Gaza. A lot of people like the one state solution. Some people like the two-state solution. We'll
have to see. I haven't -- I haven't commented on that.
FOSTER: We'll take a look at the destruction left behind in Gaza City. New drone footage showing us what's left two years after the Israeli attacks,
Gaza City officials are appealing for help in clearing debris from neighborhoods so civilians can just return.
The U.N. development program says the war left at least 55 million tons of rubble in Gaza, equal to 13 times the pyramids of Giza. Many families are
hoping for closure as thousands of people are still believed to be buried under the rubble.
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SAEED AL-BANNA, DISPLACED PALESTINIAN (through translator): And I support any effort that leads to security and stability and the revival of the
economy in order to give people comfort, because the people are tired. Any effort, even if it is a small hope, God willing, it will grow in the future
because we are tired and we want to raise our children.
Unlike what people think of us, we are a people who support peace, and we love peace. We appreciate any efforts, whatever they may be, from any
country, from President Trump, from anyone.
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FOSTER: We don't know, then, is who will govern Gaza in the future.
Joining me now is Mehran Kamrava.
Thank you so much for joining us.
He's a professor of government at Georgetown University in Qatar.
It seems as though Hamas is running Gaza right now. It's certainly vying for control with other factions because we've seen them out with their
weapons on the streets and also firing at people.
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MEHRAN KAMRAVA, PROFESSOR OF GOVERNMENT, GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY IN QATAR: Absolutely. There is really no other authority in Gaza. So, Hamas is the de
facto administrator of the strip. And so, what we're seeing is, the reemergence of Hamas as a force on the ground. We've already had reports of
executions in the street. And, it appears as if Gaza -- Hamas is trying to demonstrate to Gazans that it is indeed in control.
FOSTER: It also shows that it's has no intentions of giving up control, doesn't it? Which is a crucial central part of Trump's peace plan.
KAMRAVA: Absolutely. In fact, Hamas's acceptance of the ceasefire agreement, was quite clever on their part. They agreed to the first part
which was released of the hostages release of Israelis who had been, killed or who had died during their time in captivity. But there was no mention by
Hamas of the day after, laying down their arms and disbanding, which was another central plank of the peace plan.
FOSTER: I don't know if you heard Donald Trump in the last hour, but he did say if they don't disarm, they'll be forcibly disarmed, which, you
know, you could read as the war being back on that was coming from Donald Trump, who said the war was over. How does that look? What is that,
American troops going in, disarming them? Israeli troops? I mean, what would that look like?
KAMRAVA: Well, as we all know, tragically, we've had two years of almost unending bloodshed and mass killings really devastating war. And that has
not apparently dislodged Hamas as a military force on the ground. And I sincerely doubt if American boots on the ground would accomplish, what, two
years of war has not been able to accomplish.
So I think we're back to square one. Insofar as the political circumstances and the military conditions are concerned, except that as the pictures were
seeing show, there's absolute devastation. And Gaza has been reduced to one unending rubble.
FOSTER: Presumably, the longer it takes for an international force to get in there, the harder it's going to be to disarm and displace Hamas.
KAMRAVA: Absolutely. Hamas is the force on the ground. And given the circumstances, given the devastation in Gaza, it's really difficult for any
other force, Palestinian, Israeli or from any other country and international force, to really have control over the streets, the
neighborhoods, the rubble that is Gaza today.
FOSTER: Well, how long is Netanyahu and certainly right wing members of his government going to put up with this, because there are two primary,
factors in this war, wasn't there? Getting the hostages back, but the other one was dismantling Hamas. And we've got evidence, as you've just said,
that's not happening, and it's going to get harder the longer they are allowed control of the area.
KAMRAVA: Exactly. Once the fanfare about the signing of the cease fire was over, the hard task begins. And that's where we are right now at a very,
under very untenable circumstances. And as you mentioned, Netanyahu is under tremendous political pressure domestically to do something after two
years of war. And, of course, the release of hostages, he hasn't really been able to accomplish the military objectives that he set out for
himself.
And so, there's tremendous political pressure on Netanyahu. And I think the next couple of days are going to be quite instructive in terms of what
happens next. Would Israel once again try to, go in and militarily disarm Hamas, or would Arab countries like Qatar, Egypt and others be able to put
pressure on Hamas, to ease up on some of its draconian administrative procedures in on this -- in the strip.
FOSTER: Mehran Kamrava, thank you for showing us the complexities of what we're looking at over the next days and weeks.
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More on the Gaza ceasefire and concerns over the amount of aid, in particular, getting in after the break.
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FOSTER: The Red Cross and United Nations say a major ramp up of aid to Gaza hasn't yet happened, despite the ceasefire now in place. Authorities,
Israeli authorities told the U.N. the amount of humanitarian trucks expected to be allowed into Gaza will be reduced or delayed due to the
limited number of deceased hostages released so far by Hamas. Aid groups are expressing disappointment with the delay in aid.
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TESS INGRAM, UNICEF SPOKESPERSON: On Sunday, we hoped that would be the first day of a meaningful increase in aid since the ceasefire went into
effect, and we did see an increase, but we needed to see a consistent increase. The crossing was closed yesterday and again today, and now, we're
receiving news that the volume of aid is likely decreasing over the coming days, which is the opposite of what needs to happen.
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FOSTER: CNN's Nada Bashir is in Jerusalem.
Obviously, part of this deal, Nada, was that the -- Hamas would release all the bodies of the hostages as well.
What's the issue there? Are they struggling to find them and how is it affecting the aid supply?
NADA BASHIR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they were very clear guidelines, Max, in that ceasefire agreement that all the hostages, living and
deceased, would be returned within that 72-hour period, which, of course, has now passed. And of course, we had heard from officials from all sides.
There was an understanding that there may be difficulties in returning all deceased hostages on that first day of the exchange.
Given the complexities and the situation on the ground in the Gaza strip, given the sheer level of destruction, there were expected to be some
difficulties in recovering all of the deceased hostages.
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So this has come as very difficult news to many of the family members of those hostages who had been hoping to finally have some closure yesterday
and, of course, have not received that closure. We saw four deceased hostages being returned to Israel. We do understand that we are expecting
to see potentially more deceased hostages being released by Hamas, returned to Israel via the Red Cross. But this is not again happening within that
72-hour framework.
And in response, what we've been hearing now from the Israeli side is there is expected to be a reduction in the amount of aid being allowed in as a
result of that failure to adhere to those terms of the agreement. Now, as you just heard, that this is -- this is really bringing about some
disappointment from humanitarian organizations, from un agencies. We heard from the beginning of that ceasefire that there had been a significant
uptick in the amount of aid getting in trucks flowing into the Gaza Strip. There had been a hope that this would be more consistent, that we would
continue to see an increase in the amount of aid trucks being allowed into the Gaza Strip.
In fact, the World Food Program had called for further aid crossings to be opened up in order to facilitate a surge in humanitarian aid getting into
Gaza. We know, of course, that the need in Gaza is so desperate. While we have begun to see supplies, including tents for shelter, including food
supplies, medical supplies, getting in to Gaza, there are fears now that this reduction in aid, as the Israeli officials have notified the U.N.,
could prove to make things a lot more difficult in the Gaza Strip.
Now, there has been questions as to how the ceasefire terms would be upheld, how quickly we would see it implemented, clearly. This is still
very much a work in progress, and there are fears, of course, that this very fragile ceasefire agreement could falter even further if indeed the
terms are not upheld by both sides. So, this has come as very difficult news for both sides.
Of course, the family members of hostages still, of course, facing that difficult situation of not being able to lay their loved ones to rest, and
of course, in the Gaza Strip, where we have seen that enormous amount of destruction, a total destruction, of course, people are still suffering. We
know, of course, that the U.N.-backed report had confirmed that there is famine in the Gaza Strip.
U.N. agencies have reaffirmed repeatedly over the course of the now ceasefire agreement that people are still suffering with malnutrition, with
starvation. They have been prioritizing aid distribution to those most in need. But of course, that is also very, very difficult.
Now in terms of the recovery process. As I mentioned, it was understood that that could take some time. In fact, we heard earlier today from the
International Committee for the Red Cross saying that it could take days or even weeks before all deceased hostages could be recovered. They said that
some of those may not be able to be recovered entirely.
And of course, we have heard that an international committee is being set up to help with that process. And we've been hearing from Gaza's civil
defense over the course of the ceasefire, saying that they have, in this brief moment of respite, being able to recover hundreds of bodies of
Palestinian civilians buried beneath the rubble. But this is a process that is expected to take a while. But pressure is certainly mounting on Hamas to
return all deceased hostages -- Max.
FOSTER: Nada, thank you.
It's the final moments of trade on Wall Street. Stocks have made an afternoon comeback. The Dow is up triple digits, in fact, despite opening
in the red.
This is our business breakdown -- breakout. It is too soon to tell if Donald Trump's tariffs will hurt the global economy, according to a new
report from the International Monetary Fund. U.S. trade tensions with China have grown in recent days. The IMF says past experience suggests it may
take a long time before the full picture emerges.
The White House Budget Office says it's ready to ride out the U.S. government shutdown. We're now coming up to two weeks since the federal
government ran out of funding. The Office of Management and Budget says it's prepared to batten down the hatches as Republicans and Democrats try
to agree on how to reopen the government.
Walmart is the latest company to partner with OpenAI. The supermarket will introduce a new feature this autumn that will let you buy Walmart products
directly through ChatGPT. Shares in Walmart rose on the back of the news, so investors liked it.
Teenagers will soon have big restrictions on what they can see on Instagram. Starting on Tuesday, users under the age of 18 will start to
automatically get a PG-13 version of the app. That means posts with strong language, drug references or risky stunts can be hidden and can't be
shared.
CNN's tech reporter Clare Duffy is here.
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They took inspiration, I gather, from the movie industry.
CLARE DUFFY, CNN TECH REPORTER: That's right, Max. They wanted this to be a standard that parents and kids could understand. So they relied on this
third-party standard, the PG-13 movie ratings. In these updated content restrictions. Now this comes after meta rolled out these new teen account
safety settings that had default privacy protections and content restrictions for teens last year.
So now, they're just making those content restrictions even stricter. So, as you mentioned there, it's going to be harder for teens to see posts with
strong language or that could encourage harmful behavior because they include risky stunts or drug paraphernalia. Instagram also making it harder
for teens to search for terms like alcohol and gore. And they're making it so that the conversations that teens are having with Meta's A.I. chatbot
have to remain within those PG 13 guidelines.
Now, this comes as Instagram has continued to face criticism from parents and online safety organizations, who said that its teen account safety
settings still weren't doing enough to keep young people safe on the platform. One group of online safety organizations published a study just
recently that found 58 percent of 13- to 15-year-olds said that they had seen either unsafe content or unwanted messages in the last six months.
Now, Meta has disputed those study results, but it did say that it wants to give parents more control over their teens experience on the platform. And
one key piece of this announcement today is with those teen account safety settings that were rolled out last year, 16- and 17-year-olds could
basically just go in and turn them off on their own. They'll still be able to do that for the default privacy protections.
But for these new PG-13 content restrictions, they will apply to all users under the age of 18, and those teens will have to get their parents'
permission if they want to opt back into that adult experience on Instagram -- Max.
FOSTER: Can I just ask you? Can't they just lie about their age?
DUFFY: It's a really good question. So, Meta says that its rolled out A.I. technology that is going to catch teen users who lie about their birth date
and say they're an adult on the platform. They're looking at who they're connected to, their behavior on the platform to try to identify teens who
are lying about their age.
But we don't yet have a lot of information about how well that's working. Although Meta obviously making some effort to catch the teens that are
lying about their birth date, Max.
FOSTER: Okay, Clare. Thank you.
Still to come, the military says it is in charge as Madagascar's president flees the country. We'll look to -- speak to a live journalist inside the
country about this new political crisis.
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FOSTER: Rescue efforts are underway across several states in Mexico after a tropical depression triggered landslides and flooding in parts of the
Gulf Coast and central states. At least 64 people were killed, 65 more remain missing.
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum says food, water and medical supplies have been airlifted to people in isolated areas. The storm came towards the
end of the rainy season, bursting river banks that had already been soaked by months of rain.
CNN's Valeria Leon has more from one of the hardest hit regions.
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VALERIA LEON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Days of heavy rain have caused widespread destruction across central and southeastern Mexico, where landslides and
mudslides, flooding have put houses like this one under the ground. As you can see here, these two crosses are because two babies were -- died here,
and it was during the flooding two days ago when this tragedy happened.
And there are no authorities in this town in Hidalgo, Mexico. But they were the neighbors, the one -- the ones who come and help this family. This is
Enrique Hernandez. He was the one that helped these babies.
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LEON: He said that most of the neighbors came here to try to rescue these two children, but they couldn't save them.
So, this family had moved to a remote community a few kilometers away from here. But we can see part of the belongings, and this is the fridge that
used to be inside of this house. And here we have still this food left and all the roads in this community have -- show like this destruction in part
of this trail, most of the -- of the neighbors now are looking for help, asking the government to distribute aid to part of this community and
others that have been cut off for more than three days.
The federal government has announced a census starting this week to help and distribute aid to most of the people. There are hundreds of people that
need this help and that they have been excommunicated for the last days. This is the situation on the ground.
I'm Valerio Leon in Hidalgo, Mexico.
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FOSTER: Now an army commander, says the military is now taking power in Madagascar. This follows a vote by the national assembly to impeach the
president. He was forced to flee the country after two weeks of Gen Z led protests, which saw major defections from the army.
The military says it's now dissolving all institutions except for the national assembly.
One protester describes his emotions after these events.
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JACKY RAKOTONIAINA, PROTESTER (through translator): This is very good news for us, for activists, for all Madagascans. It's incredible because two
weeks ago we were fighting tooth and nail with the military and today, we have won. This announcement deserves a national celebration.
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FOSTER: More on the story.
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LARRY MADOWO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: -- succeeded in overthrowing their government after just three weeks of popular protests, though it is not
exactly clear who is in charge because President Rajoelina and the military both claim to be in charge. The elite military unit that helped bring him
to power in 2009, on Saturday turned against him and supported these Gen Z protesters and on Tuesday, declared that they had taken over and dissolved
all institutions except the lower house of parliament, the national assembly.
But President Rajoelina had previously said and attempted to dissolve the national assembly. The national assembly went ahead to carry out an
impeachment vote that overwhelmingly impeached him, and local media reported that the constitutional council had approved the vacancy in the
office of the president. It's not clear how effective that is if the military court had already dissolved the constitutional court.
[15:45:06]
But on the streets, there's been celebration as they celebrate the end of the term of 51-year-old Rajoelina, who has seen a lot of dissatisfaction.
These protests began over widespread water and power shortages, but morphed into wider dissatisfaction with the state of things, with unemployment, the
cost of living and corruption. Madagascar, the Indian ocean island has more than three quarters of this population living below the poverty line, and
that's the backdrop for this celebration about the end of the rule of President Rajoelina.
RAKOTONIAINA (through translator): This is very good news for us, for activists, for all Madagascans. It's incredible because two weeks ago we
were fighting tooth and nail with the military and today, we have won. This announcement deserves a national celebration.
MADOWO: One of the current mysteries is where is President Rajoelina? He is reported to have fled the country on a French military jet on Sunday,
according to the Reuters News Agency. He did give an address on Facebook. He didn't say exactly where he is, but he said he was in a safe place after
an alleged attempt on his life.
The presidency previously said that the national assembly, any sitting, would be null and void, as the president had already dissolved it. But they
went ahead and impeached him anyway. So right now, with the elite military unit saying they have taken over, the president still kind of hanging on in
defiance. But the young people on the streets celebrating the end of what they see as a terrible rule.
Larry Madowo, CNN, Nairobi.
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FOSTER: Up next, how did the Australian prime minister's personal phone number wind up on the internet? We'll look at the clues investigators are
following to find out after the break.
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FOSTER: Australian authorities are investigating after the prime minister's personal phone number was apparently published online. When
asked about reports that Anthony Albanese's number had been posted, along with dozens of other politicians' contact details, his deputy said that
authorities have been notified and there's concern about what happened.
So, what we want to know is how often are personal phone numbers leaked online, particularly at this level?
Joining me now is Theresa Panton, CEO of Fortalice Solutions and former White House chief information officer.
[15:50:03]
Thank you so much for joining us.
Obviously, these leaks do happen, but they don't normally have the prime minister's details on them. And we understand other world leaders too. What
do we know about it?
THERESA PAYTON, FORMER WHITE HOUSE CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER: Yeah. So, what we know so far is it appears that individuals created a database.
They're going to have it as a paid for service, we'll see. And they've been scraping using different APIs, using potentially A.I. algorithms, scraping
information off of different social media platforms and potentially past data breaches that have been leaked online.
A lot of people may not recall, but several mobile phone companies around the world have had data breaches where phone numbers, payment information,
full names, addresses have been leaked online. And so, this could be an aggregation of past data leaks as well as social media. But obviously in
poor form and poor taste to just have people's information, very easy to access. It actually offers free access with some limited account inquiries.
FOSTER: How senior were the names were talking about here? I mean, what do we know?
PAYTON: Yeah. So, we -- now, whether or not the phone numbers are legitimate is another story. But we do know that it seems like over 300
world ranking leaders, politicians, current and former are in this database. There are about 300 million records from what's been reported so
far on the database. And some of those are just average, everyday working people.
So this is -- you know, one tip I just want to give to everybody, whether you're a politician or, you know, everyday working people like us. What you
want to be thinking about is every time you give away your phone number, that's the same phone number that you use with your bank, with your
healthcare, with your identity.
And so, think about setting up a burner number, if you will. You can go to something like google voice, make up a number and have that be the number
that you give out for that to your cell phone. And that way when things like this happen, hopefully, it's your burner number which is easily
replaced with the new one versus your actual cell phone number.
FOSTER: It's great advice, but it's, you know, it's unbelievable that were at that point, aren't we, having burner numbers?
As I understand it as well. So, a lot of these numbers might have come from LinkedIn and LinkedIn are being very clear that this wasn't a data breach.
In fact, it was, you know, you know, they had the passwords and the login details for a lot of people. They used A.I. to actually log in. So it
wasn't actually a problem from the social media company's side. It was actually a very straightforward logging in process, but en masse.
So that makes it impossibly difficult to track, doesn't it?
PAYTON: It really does. And since we're in the early days of this kind of this knowledge and investigation is going to have to happen, you know? So,
one, the people that have set up this service, they're going to have to answer a lot of questions.
There will probably be, you know, kind of law enforcement action where requests or are asked, for example if they have citizens that fall under
GDPR, you could see where, the government privacy office that runs GDPR could be asking this business questions.
And as the investigation continues, we're going to learn sources, methods, how they got this information. LinkedIn, for their part, their
investigation is probably not done. But they have said that if they did use some type of screen scraping of LinkedIn profiles, that it most likely
violates terms and conditions and they could take legal action.
More to come on how all of this information was aggregated. But I think what people need to realize is it's surprisingly easy to do. And in many
cases, these aggregations are just past data breaches and not necessarily considered illegal, except for when you run afoul of either in the United
States, the state privacy forms, as well as the different governments have laws like GDPR that could be enacted in force here.
FOSTER: Theresa, thank you. Great advice. Extraordinary story. Thank you for joining us with your thoughts on it.
Now, a man has been sentenced to 25 to 50 years in prison after pleading guilty over an arson attack at the Pennsylvania governor's mansion in
April.
Prosecutors released terrifying surveillance video of the attack. They say that Cody Balmer setting fire to the home whilst Governor Josh Shapiro and
his family were asleep inside that home. They were awakened by security and evacuated, thankfully.
Governor Shapiro says the attack still haunts this family to this day.
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GOV. JOSH SHAPIRO (D), PENNSYLVANIA: It's hard for me to stand before you today and utter the words "attempted murder" when it's your own life, to
know that someone tried to kill me. It's especially hard to know that he tried to burn our family to death while we slept.
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FOSTER: Well, the attack came only hours after the governors family had celebrated Passover for actually in the mansion. Balmer says -- Balmer says
that played no role in his attack, though.
The music world is mourning the R&B star D'Angelo who died at the age of 51. A singer was perhaps best known for his Grammy-winning single, "How
Does it Feel?", which was renowned for its steamy music video.
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FOSTER: D'Angelo's family say he died after a prolonged and courageous battle with cancer. The music producer Nile Rodgers is among those paying
tribute, describing his work as genius.
I'm Max Foster. That's WHAT WE KNOW.
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