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MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Calls for the king to confront Donald Trump over the Epstein scandal.

This is WHAT WE KNOW.

Tonight, Virginia Giuffre's family tell me they want an audience with Britain's King Charles over the scandal involving his disgraced brother

Andrew. Outrage at the former Prince Andrew and his ties to the sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein, has cost him his royal titles. Now the family of

the woman who accused Andrew of sexual assault thinks the king should take their concerns directly to President Trump.

It was exactly 24 hours ago when Buckingham Palace announced Andrew would lose his titles and be evicted from his royal mansion. A royal source tells

me he's not expected to leave that Royal Lodge, though, until after Christmas. Tonight, the Giuffre family tells me he should really be out

tomorrow.

It was Virginia Giuffre whose posthumous memoir resurrected those allegations, which Andrew has repeatedly denied. Her brother and sister-in-

law now say the U.K. government should act to ensure that Andrew is no longer eligible to be king.

In a moment, you'll hear from Virginia Giuffre siblings. First, Nic Robertson explains how we reached this point from Buckingham Palace.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yeah, look, it's been a slow roll, if you will, 2019 when Prince Andrew, as he was, then got taken

off of royal duties. 2022, the queen takes away his military titles. Then, just less than two weeks ago, he voluntarily says, well, I won't use the

duke of York title.

Now, it's gone way beyond that. This is something historic, monumental hasn't happened in the U.K. for over a hundred years. No longer the duke of

York, no longer the earl of Inverness, no longer the baron of Kilele, no longer a prince.

Quite simply, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor forced to leave this 30-bedroom man -- 30-room mansion on the royal estate in Windsor, where he is going.

He is still sort of, if you will, under the auspices of the king. But it's a private estate, privately owned residents that have been moving to

privately owned by the king. So, no burden on the taxpayer there.

It is something that has been met, I think, on the on the streets of the U.K. with support, certainly at the beginning of the week, King Charles was

actually heckled by people saying, what did you know about, Epstein and Andrew at an early stage?

So, this is something that has been building, and it is really going to remove it certainly seems, Andrew, very much from the public eye.

Sandringham estate is about 100 miles north of London. Monumental, historic, and I think for a lot of people in the country, this was

something that was a long time coming and inevitable for the king, albeit a tough decision, not to push him entirely out of the royal family.

By the way, no longer a prince, but Andrew does remain still eighth in line to the throne.

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FOSTER: A short time ago, I spoke to Virginia Giuffre's brother, Sky Roberts, and his wife, Amanda. I started off by asking them how they

reacted when they found out the news from the king that he had stripped down of all of his royal titles.

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SKY ROBERTS, BROTHER OF VIRGINIA GIUFFRE: I think it was a mixed emotion. I think we were -- we were shocked by it. We were both at work when we got

the news, and I can tell you, like, I just -- I just broke down completely, like she did it. She took she took down a prince. I mean, I know that in a

lot of ways, we just want to keep her voice alive and bring call to actions.

But it'd be remiss for me to say that we still feel this sense of justice. I mean, I think if anything, we feel acknowledgment. We feel acknowledgment

from the king, and we feel acknowledgment, acknowledgment from the U.K., which is kind of a first of its kind, because we're not getting that in so

many ways here in the United States. And I think we would even call to the next step here, which is why don't we just take it one more step further

and take it into a full investigation? And if he's found to be implicated, then we should be bringing him to the fullest extent of the law and so many

others that are implicated in this.

FOSTER: Republic, the monarchy, anti-monarchy group here in the U.K. is pushing for exactly that, a criminal investigation effectively, or a civil

investigation. Not necessarily in the into the claims that Virginia made, but to the fact that he abused his position. Is that something that you

would welcome, Amanda?

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AMANDA ROBERTS, SISTER-IN-LAW OF VIRGINIA GIUFFRE: I think so. I think it holds the same weight here, right? It doesn't really matter what side of

political party you're on, where your allegiance necessarily lie. You know, we have a left or right party here and I'm sure, you know, there are

different sections as well in the U.K. I think this comes down to the core and, and this case and why people care so much is the exposure of a system

that protects the rich and powerful and does not protect the vulnerable.

And I think all across the board in the U.K., in the U.S. and internationally, people are tired of those systems. People are tired of the

powerful, the entitled, the rich and the wealthy making the decisions that affect our lives, that gravely affect us. And I think we're ready for

justice. We're ready for real change and accountability.

FOSTER: It's interesting, Sky, that you say you appreciate what the king has done here, because I know that you're seeing this as a much bigger

story, that all of the men, the Epstein trafficked young girls, too.

But here in the U.K., actually, there's a lot of people saying it just hasn't gone far enough, because Andrew still has a home. He'll be provided

an income as well. And I've just heard today that he's not probably not going to be out of the house before Christmas because there's a process

they have to go through to get him out of the house and moved.

Do you think he should get out straight away from this mansion that he's been enjoying for so many years?

SKY ROBERTS: I mean, absolutely, I think, you know, the more expedited the better. And I -- and I tend to agree with the U.K. people that we haven't -

- we haven't taken it far enough, but I do I do think we need to take a second and acknowledge what he's done. You know, our very own president

here in the United States, which we would expect to be the leaders in this because they hold the key to this pandoras box that that has all of these

men and women implicated, but yet to release it. But we're actually getting some acknowledgment from the king and saying he stands with survivors.

So, I think we should take a moment of appreciation for that, but also call to action to take it that next step further into an investigation and to

expedite that, which would also mean getting him out of his house. I think it shouldn't be until Christmas. It should be tomorrow.

FOSTER: Are you frustrated that you haven't had a meeting with him? Because if he really wants to understand this, he -- the best people he can speak

to right now are you two?

AMANDA ROBERTS: I think -- I think it's reminiscent of the battle that Virginia has gone through her entire life. She was frustrated and she had

asked, I think she had said it multiple times, like, I just want him to come clean, to acknowledge that.

And so, it is frustrating because I think, you know, with all of these other things that have been leaked, his emails to Jeffrey Epstein, the

things that came forward where he potentially gave someone Virginia's Social Security number to dig up dirt on her. I think he owes her an

apology for that.

And so, I think he needs to take a little bit more accountability for the things that he has actively done to even try to defame her and discredit

her. I don't believe that someone who is innocent would take those measures. And so, I think it's time for him to step forward and come clean

and cooperate.

And we know that he's not the only one that potentially is implicated. There are so many more. And if you're going to be on a journey of

conviction and redemption, I think this is a time to do that. And I would ask that he would think of his daughters and think, what if this was them

that that happened to?

FOSTER: Are you calling for a meeting with --

SKY ROBERTS: Okay, I want to chime in for one second there. Yeah, I was going to say that's exactly to that. So, like, I would welcome it with open

arms.

I mean, if he said, you know, we'd love to speak with you and hear your sister's story, I think it's one thing to see somebody over camera when

we're having this conversation, but it's another when you're face to face with a survivor and we can really tell her story and help get that across

to them, because I think it's important for them to be listening, not to the perpetrators, but to the survivors themselves.

So, if he asked me to come meet with him, I'd be in London tomorrow.

FOSTER: But you'd like to meet the king and just really go through that, because he's as much as anything else, you know, linked to Andrew,

obviously. He's also a hugely influential global figure and he can really drive, you know, the campaign, if I can call it that, that you two started

or Virginia started and you've carried on.

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AMANDA ROBERTS: Yeah. I think it's a really big opportunity for him to paint the way forward and use his status and influence to call on global

leaders, especially our president, with whom, you know, the U.K. has a relationship with the United States. And so, I would say that this is the

time, this is the opportunity because our president has not shown the same courage, the same respect and acknowledgment that these survivors deserve.

And I think if the king can, can even remotely acknowledge and put his brother in that position, then our president should be able to do the same

thing. And not only that, but I also feel that the issue of President Trump, not even ruling out a pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell is atrocious. And

if he can't step forward and do that now, after the king has stripped his brother of the prince title, what are we doing here? You are falling short

in your leadership right now because Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted.

And so, I think we would lean on the U.K. and help us put that pressure on our very own governments, because, again, we hold the key to that door to

justice and it's right there.

FOSTER: So, you would sit with the king and you'd explain the story. So, he fully understood it, say what you wanted, and then ask him effectively to

speak to Donald Trump about it. Is that what you're suggesting?

AMANDA ROBERTS: One hundred percent. I think -- I think that would be what we are asking for next, I really do. I think he has his influence. He has

that relationship with Donald Trump. Donald Trump is in the position to do the right thing here.

And we're looking for that collaboration. I think it's really important that global leaders begin to collaborate because, again, this is not just a

small instance of sexual abuse. We're talking about a global sex trafficking ring that was allowed to operate for decades because of the

abuse of powers. Our systematic, our systematic justice systems have failed these survivors. And it's time to take a look underneath of what we need to

do to change that.

FOSTER: Sky, you'll remember that when they were talking about the duke of York title initially, the palace had made it clear that it takes an act of

parliament for that to happen, and that would take up too much parliamentary time. And then we hear shortly afterwards that they've

actually found a way to take away that duke of York title. We're now being told that he is still eighth in line to succession. Andrew could still

potentially become king and we're again being told that there's a very complicated process to undo that.

What do you say in response to that? Does it make you uncomfortable that he still has that last remaining privilege of being in the line of succession?

SKY ROBERTS: Absolutely. I think that he has already been stripped of his titles and honors, and now prince in no way, shape or form should he ever

have the opportunity to become king. I think that's already been made very clear. And I think based off of public opinion, I feel like the people

would feel the same way.

So, they found a loophole once. Clearly, I'd say find another loophole. Theres got to be something there. And you know what? Who cares if it takes

a little bit more time and an act of parliament, then do it, then do it. I mean, I think that's what the people deserve.

FOSTER: Are you working with other survivors and victims to try to coordinate this broader effort, which is really getting the Epstein files

out, making sure everyone understands them, and holding all of those men to account because -- you know, I reported on the prime minister that Virginia

talked about in her book, who put her through horrific abuse, according to her story in theory. That person is still wandering around and is a danger

to other women.

You know, how do you -- how do you use this case, the Andrew case, to bring all the others to account as well?

AMANDA ROBERTS: I think, you know, we have been in conversation since really the passing of our sister. So many of them had reached out to us and

its really helped us through the process of grief to connect with them and hear their stories and how much Virginia had inspired them to come forward,

even if some of them hadn't met her. And so that has continued. It continued when we went to D.C. together, and that was such a powerful

moment.

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It continues today. I mean, we got so many messages from them last night about how they were just so proud of Virginia. And so, what it looks like

now is really building a coalition for survivors. I think that really is our next goal, is really looking at advocacy and how we can put this to

paper. How can we put this to law?

And so, I think a collaborative effort with survivors, not just of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's abuse and all of the horrific, but abuse in

general, sex trafficking is such a large issue. And so, next really is going after the exposure, releasing the files. And we believe that all of

those that had been -- she wasn't able to name in the book for various reasons, there were very real threats to her life. She was petrified of

that specific encounter and that specific person.

And we have to understand, like, we can't keep putting survivors in this position of danger. And we need our governments to do the right thing. The

names are there. They have that information.

Virginia's depositions, some are public and some still have yet to be unsealed. We have to push for those and that that really is the next step

is the exposure, and then the accountability.

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FOSTER: So, there we have the view from Virginia Giuffre's family. I did ask Buckingham Palace if they had a response to the idea that they could

have a meeting with the king, and they didn't have a comment on that.

We also have some breaking news at one of the world's busiest airports. There's a ground stop at JFK. We'll have a live report explaining what's

going on there.

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FOSTER: Breaking news out of New York, JFK Airport is currently under a ground stop due to a staffing shortage.

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There are shortages of air traffic control centers in New York, Boston, Indianapolis that have to put traffic to a stop once you have these

staffing issues. It is one of the United States busiest airports, JFK. The U.S. government shut down, causing all sorts of those staffing issues at

air traffic centers around the country as controllers have to work without pay. Many are calling in sick.

Aviation correspondent Pete Muntean joins us now.

I mean, this has been going on, hasn't it, for a few days now, but it's now hit JFK, which, you know, does impact a lot more people.

PETE MUNTEAN, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, it's only going to get worse before it gets better, Max. And the good news here is that this

ground stop for flights going into JFK will end at about 3:30 Eastern Time. We're talking about 12 minutes or so.

The problems, though, will persist and the delays because of staffing issues will linger, at least for some time into Friday night. This is

probably the start of a three-day weekend for some folks, as its Halloween and many people trying to extend that into a bit of a long weekend.

The latest here from the Federal Aviation Administration. There's a delay in place for Nashville, for Dallas Fort-Worth, Newark, Houston Hobby,

Houston George Bush Intercontinental, LaGuardia is the worst when it comes to delays right now, imposed by the FAA to keep things safe until 1:00 a.m.

Eastern Daylight Time. The average delay there at LaGuardia, 140 minutes. We're talking two hours and 20 minutes in total.

This problem is getting more acute as the day goes on -- days go on, and we're now in day 31 of this government shutdown with air traffic

controllers continuing to show up to work without pay. Although you can't really blame them if they call out sick because there is already a shortage

of air traffic controllers nationwide. We're short about 1,800 controllers in the U.S., the FAA scrambling to ramp up its hiring efforts. Many

controllers working mandatory six-day weeks of ten-hour shifts.

So, the fact that they are not getting paid right now is really insult to injury. The FAA says, still, about 12,000 controllers showing up to work

right now, in spite of these issues, although many controllers, even though they can make a good some are making essentially median pay here in the

U.S. and that is leading to some problems.

The fact remains is that they're still controlling about 45,000 flights a day. And the concern now is on the Thanksgiving travel rush, with less than

four weeks to go until that begins. And Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said yesterday after a roundtable with airline CEOs in the White House that

if this lingers into the Thanksgiving travel rush, then this could turn into what he calls a disaster.

We will see as things go on, although it seems like there is no movement on Capitol Hill as to getting a final, a final resolution to this problem. All

airline CEOs from the four major airlines said in statements yesterday from American Airlines, United Airlines, Southwest and Delta that the congress

needs to pass a clean, continuing resolution in order to get air traffic controllers paid again and for them to not be hanging in the balance here.

FOSTER: Okay, Pete, thank you for that. Really worrying development there.

We also have new developments on the U.S. government shutdown. Two federal judges have ordered the Trump administration to tap into emergency funds to

cover, at least partially, the SNAP program. It provides food benefits to millions of Americans.

As for President Trump, he's demanding that the Senate scrap the filibuster. The 60-vote threshold, and allow Republicans to unilaterally

end the stalemate that the Senate majority leader has rejected that call so far.

President Trump is spending the weekend in Florida. Here's how he responded when he was asked about whether he's willing to meet with congressional

Democrats.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm always going to meet. All they have to do is open up the country, let them open up the country, and

we'll meet. We'll meet very quickly, but they have to open up the country. It's their fault. Everything is their fault.

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FOSTER: CNN's Jeff Zeleny is at the White House for us.

I mean, it really doesn't seem any determination to solve this from either side. Half the politicians aren't even in town, are they?

JEFF ZELENY, CNN CHIEF U.S. NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: More than half, Max. Virtually, none of them are in Washington. The president right there

is standing below the steps of Air Force One, just landing in sunny Palm Beach, Florida, where he'll be spending the weekend. So, he is not here at

the White House, the Senate, the House Democrats, Republicans. They are not on Capitol Hill.

Just listening to the president there. It almost sounds like the beginning of the month-long shutdown. Not on day 31. So literally no progress has

been made in terms of the sides coming together.

But this is coming as we are seeing the real effects play out across America.

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You just heard the reports there from Pete Muntean about the -- of the airline problems in New York.

But the food assistance program, it's called SNAP, which is food stamps, basically. One in eight Americans rely on this government assistance to get

their monthly food bills. Those expire tomorrow. So that is going to have a real world impact.

Those two judges ruling ordering the administration to find some available funds to pay at least some of these benefits. The administration is pushing

back on that, though. Just a couple moments ago, the president's top economic adviser, Kevin Hassett, blasted the rulings from a liberal judge

in his view.

And it is unclear how the administration is going to proceed. Obviously, they will appeal those rulings. So, look, the bottom line to all of this,

there is no end in sight for the shutdown, at least an immediate one. And it is very unlikely that these food benefits are going to be revived by

tomorrow, when effectively they're debit cards, which they get simply will not be loaded with money for a food assistance program, which is one reason

that food banks across this country are filling up, and they have been for a number of weeks now.

FOSTER: Yeah, really worrying time for many people.

Jeff, thank you so much.

The FBI says it's averted a potential terrorist attack. Director Kash Patel broke the news early on Friday on social media. The post, saying the

bureau, quote, "arrested multiple subjects in Michigan." Officials tell CNN two people have been arrested. It's believed the plot began in online chat

rooms.

CNN chief law enforcement intelligence analyst John Miller joins us now.

Because, John, I was just confused about this. It felt like a really big announcement. But then we didn't really get any detail.

JOHN MILLER, CNN CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT INTELLIGENCE ANALYST: Well, this was a tweet from the FBI Director Kash Patel, saying we've prevented a

terrorist attack and Halloween will be safe without much detail. What happened here was, they had this group under surveillance for months.

This week, a couple of things ticked up. Number one, they went to a shooting range with rifles. They fired a lot of ammunition. Number two, in

their communications, they picked up hints about something for pumpkin day. They were concerned that that may have been a reference to Halloween, which

is today.

The FBI had high level discussions about we have this group under surveillance. We have them under electronic surveillance, physical

surveillance. We're listening to their devices and following their texts. But if they broke away to do some attack on the spur of the moment, are we

in a position to prevent that for 100 percent certain. And I don't think they were comfortable with the answers that they were still that much in

control.

So, the decision was made to move in, make arrests, charge who they could charge, question who they had questions for, and see where the pieces fell.

But to disrupt what was growing, they felt into what could be an imminent plot.

FOSTER: Yeah. So good news that they caught it when they did, even though worrying about the evidence presumably as well, and how they can gather

that.

But, John, thank you so much.

MILLER: Thanks, Max.

FOSTER: Still to come, as you've been hearing here on CNN, Virginia Giuffre's family praising King Charles for taking action over his disgraced

brother Andrew. But the big question remains, can the British royal family recover from this crisis? I'll be talking to our royal watcher, next.

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FOSTER: Recapping our top story, Virginia Giuffre's family has been telling me they want an audience with Britain's King Charles over the scandal

involving his disgraced brother, Andrew. The king has stripped Andrew of all his titles, honors, his rent-free mansion in Windsor, near London. The

Giuffre family say they want Andrew removed from Royal Lodge tomorrow, not after Christmas, which is what we're hearing.

The family of the woman who accused Andrew of sexual assault also thinks the king should take their concerns directly to U.S. President Donald

Trump.

So, what we want to know is can the British royal family recover from this crisis?

Joining me now, royal watcher Bidisha Mamata.

I mean, one of the reasons I wanted to speak to the family was that they've really been driving the narrative, don't you think, for so long. So when

you -- you know, when they made the palace, made the announcement last night, the question is, have they done enough? And, you know, the family

listed a whole load of things that they want addressed. It's not enough for them yet, even though they're thanking the king for doing what he did.

BIDISHA MAMATA, BROADCASTER/ROYAL WATCHER: I think this is an extraordinary moment. And you're absolutely right. The family, the friends, the allies of

Virginia Giuffre are driving this, and the royal family looks reactive in response. They are submitting their statement. They're saying, yes, no, we

have listened.

I'm not sure it's possible to demand so much from the royal family because actually, this occurrence, this extraordinary few days we've seen is huge

in itself. It's not just David and Goliath, it's about the lost girls that Epstein and Maxwell preyed upon. It's about young women who had no power at

all.

I mean, forget about aristocracy. They had nothing. Many of them were even homeless, and they went up against the oldest vested interests in the

world.

Every victim, every survivor, every witness of abuse is watching this moment and thinking, maybe I am important. Maybe my voice is important.

FOSTER: Maybe I can.

MAMATA: Maybe I can.

FOSTER: We're talking about just an ordinary American girl who took down a prince, and that's effectively what happened.

MAMATA: That's how they're narrativizing it. And it is effectively what's happened. But I am very cynical because I don't think that those with power

and privilege really do give it up so easily.

Externally, of course, Andrew has been stripped of so much, and this is a definite public humiliation. It's deliberate on the part of the royal

family. They want the world to know. No, we are taking this on board. We're not making excuses. We're not enabling.

But this is a drama that's been 15 years in the making. They knew all along, or they could have inferred it all along.

Whether or not he really will be invited or disinvited from private royal family gatherings is another matter.

FOSTER: Do you think there's a concern for them that Fergie might become a problem? Because she's -- I mean, if he's been, you know, banished to the

countryside, at least he's got a house. She's got nothing.

I'm told that she's not going to move. You know, she could move to Norfolk. She's chosen not to she's not got any money. We know that she's got a very

lavish lifestyle.

Is there a risk that she could go off and write a book? And because she has to.

MAMATA: That's such an interesting idea. And now you've said it. I am so sure that on back-channels, at least a few interested parties are trying to

monetize this from all angles.

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FOSTER: She needs to monetize.

MAMATA: She needs to monetize. You can't break the habits of an entire lifetime. As someone who's been a bit profligate with money and not very

good at that kind of thing for decades already, we're going to get more of the same because people don't change.

Having said that, none of these people are going to end up homeless like those young girls were once.

FOSTER: Yeah, absolutely. And in terms of this line of succession, it does seem to be the big sort of debate now bubbling up because, you know,

they've taken away the titles, they've taken away the house.

He's still eighth in line for the throne, which fundamentally is what it means to be royal, right? You could -- you're a spare. He could potentially

become king. And the Giuffre family were absolutely horrified of that idea. But I think obviously Brits would be as well.

MAMATA: I don't think anyone wants Andrew as king. I think there is a real moral majority --

FOSTER: But the government is saying they're not going to change the succession line.

MAMATA: That's because eighth in line to the throne still is a relatively small chance mathematically, and I think people are so united in not

wanting this that, that even if there was a chance of it really happening, there would be an outcry and it ultimately would not happen. Can anyone

imagine Andrew in an ermine cloak and a crown? No, of course not. No one wants that to happen.

And the royal family have already been incredibly strong, as strong as they can be in making it clear that they don't like this. They don't like what

he's done, regardless of the legality or how careful we have to be about specific allegations and denials, they are making it clear that they are

deeply disappointed in Andrew.

FOSTER: I was made aware last night that, you know, as part of this, there was a bit of a debate about should he be given a house, should he be given

money by the king, which is effectively what's going to happen now? Also made aware that, you know, he is the king's brother.

So, you look at your own situation and consider your siblings, but also they talked about some welfare issues and the pressure from all this media

attention. They're clearly referring there, aren't they, to Andrew and Sarah Ferguson.

MAMATA: Yes, they are, but you're so right that this is a family drama as well as a public royal drama. And people do all sorts of things for their

family. They can have siblings who've done terrible things and will still stick by them. Its human nature. Not everyone will like it, but not

everyone should be surprised if at the end of the day, there is family support for.

FOSTER: Are we going to mention the corgis?

MAMATA: I don't know what's going to happen to the corgis. The corgis are blameless in all of this.

FOSTER: Queen Elizabeth's corgis were adopted by Sarah Ferguson and Andrew, presumably, and they were living in Windsor. The house is no longer there.

Where do the corgis go?

MAMATA: The corgis should be homed with people who have great ethics and values and principles and morals and standards, and know how to take care

of others.

FOSTER: Thank you. Thank you, Bidisha.

Now it is the final moments of trade on Wall Street and stocks are ending the week on a high. It's been up and down for the Dow Jones just edging

slightly higher now in the final minutes of trade. This is our business breakout for you.

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from Disney channels like ESPN and ABC, National Geographic. They won't be available. However, the two companies remain in talks.

Apple has provided its first glimpse into how iPhone 17 sales are going. IPhone sales in the fourth quarter were $49 billion, up from last year, but

slightly below expectations. However, overall sales in China shrunk compared to a year ago.

And for a logo with a trademark grin, Wendy's has little to smile about these days. The burger chains stock has lost nearly half of its value this

year. The company doesn't have a permanent CEO, and its third quarter sales are forecast to be down almost 6 percent. The company announced an

aggressive new plan called Project Fresh to turn things around.

Now, it's been a somewhat confusing picture from this week's earnings season so far. Whilst the stock market is doing fine and consumer spending

is solid, some companies are still worried.

Take Chipotle for example. The fast food company has cut its forecasts and says customers are staying away and choosing to eat at home instead. One

possible reason the so-called K-shaped recovery, which Anna is going to explain to us -- Anna.

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ANNA COOBAN, CNN BUSINESS & ECONOMICS REPORTER: Yes, Max. So, if we just take a step back to try and explain this concept. You have to look to the

humble burrito. Now, this is a burrito from Chipotle store.

Now this is a U.S. store that sells Mexican style food. And their core customer base are young people and. People on lower incomes. And this week,

Chipotle has some. Disappointing earnings. And the CEO basically said that this was because their core customer groups were pulling back on spending.

Now, at the same time, you've got companies like Coca-Cola and Crocs, the shoe maker, that have said that their customers, their higher income

customers are spending, spending, spending and spending on premium brands. And so then what you get essentially is this K-shaped graph where higher

income consumers are spending more and more and the line goes up, and then lower income consumers are spending less and less, the line goes down.

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And so you get this big gap, this big delta between these two groups, which is giving you this mixed picture about the health of the U.S. economy.

FOSTER: In terms of the broader market today. I mean, what were you looking out for today? What else grabbed your attention?

COOBAN: Well, you know, looking at job numbers, looking at inflation, inflation ticked up recently in the U.S. and this is all feeding into this

picture around the mixed economic picture in the United States. Now one of the reasons why lower income consumers are pulling back is because their

wages are not outpacing inflation. They're in a very sort of cruddy job market at the moment. Hiring is kind of at a standstill in the U.S.

And so, that's creating this situation, which is fairly sobering because, Max, a few years ago during the pandemic, with these stimulus checks, it

was the case that the gap between the higher incomes and the lower incomes was narrowing, and lower income consumers had this extra spending power.

But we are no longer in that era. Youve got the stock market, which is absolutely booming right now, and wealthier Americans tend to be more

invested in stocks. And so they're seeing their wealth go up and up. While the lower income groups are not really feeling those benefits.

FOSTER: Okay, Anna, thank you so much.

An update to our breaking news this hour. The ground stop at JFK airport. It has been lifted. Now the staff shortage at local air traffic control

centers had forced the ground stop at one of the world's busiest airports, but it has been lifted, as I say, across town, LaGuardia delays are now

more than two hours long, though, because of staffing problems there.

The U.S. government shutdown has forced air traffic controllers to work without pay. Many aren't turning up.

Still to come, the death toll mounting in the Caribbean after one of the Atlantic's most powerful storms. How the hardest hit communities are

dealing with this aftermath.

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FOSTER: Now to the Caribbean, where rescue efforts are underway as Hurricane Melissa loses strength and moves north of Bermuda. In its wake, a

trail of devastation across Jamaica, Cuba and Haiti, killing dozens of people. Southwestern Jamaica bore the hurricanes brunt as a category five,

slamming the island nation with 185 mile an hour winds and torrential rains earlier this week, wiping out roads, homes and entire villages. Cuba

suffered extensive damage from flooding and mudslides, especially in the east, where hundreds of tiny communities were left isolated.

And even though Melissa didn't hit Haiti directly, officials report the storms wrath claimed the lives of 23 people, ten of them children. Black

River is one of the worst hit communities in Jamaica. Residents are searching for food, water and news about their loved ones in the aftermath

of a 15 feet storm surge from Melissa.

Meteorologist Derek Van Dam describes the utter chaos as desperation settled in.

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DEREK VAN DAM, CNN METEOROLOGIST: We are approaching the Black River area a bridge that we were concerned that had too much damage to drive across, but

it looks like cars are traveling, at least in. We've got to watch out for some of this damage that's just screwed about.

Look at people have their personal belongings on the back of mopeds trying to desperately get out of this area, carrying whatever they can, food,

supplies, clothing. It's utter chaos here, and the heat is adding a new level of dimension to this humanitarian disaster that is unfolding.

It's very loud, and I just want to show you the bridge here as this massive queue of cars. People carrying food, all the supplies they can to get out

of Black River, because this area was hit extremely, extremely hard, desperation. What once was paradise has now turned into hell on earth. This

is ground zero.

What's happened to your home?

BRITNEY SAMMS, BLACK RIVER RESIDENT: The storm everything gone -- it is, so everything right down. Right down.

DAM: Was it the wind or was it the sea?

SAMMS: Everything, sir, everything. We're surrounded by water.

DAM: What do you need most at this time?

SAMMS: A roof over our head, sir. Me and my mother, my grandmother, we don't know what they're going to do.

DAM: There's a supermarket in town that we were told that people are taking supplies off of the shelf. This is a matter of life and death for people.

That one individual saying that, hey, this isn't looting. This is a matter of survival. People carrying whatever they can to get out of this region.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's paradise, but it's hell on Earth as well right now. Six hours, it's frightening. I've never seen anything like this in my life.

It was devastating.

DAM: The bridge in Black River has become a makeshift shelter. You can see helicopter and the Jamaican Defense Forces flying and surveying the area.

This area has become almost a makeshift refugee camp, because the people behind me have nowhere to sleep. Their homes were completely decimated by

the fury of Hurricane Melissa.

They are desperate for water, food, any kind of medical provisions, and they need international aid desperately.

I am CNN Meteorologist Derek Van Dam in Black River, Jamaica.

Back to you.

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FOSTER: We'll be back in just a moment with another update.

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FOSTER: It's Halloween today and humans aren't the only ones enjoying the celebrations. The autumn holiday always includes pumpkins, and for animals

around the world, that means it's time for some squished treats of the squash variety.

Polo Sandoval has more.

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POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's trick or treat time at zoos and animal sanctuaries around the world, and pumpkins are the prized

snack. The gourds are downed in one big gulp by these hippos at the San Antonio Zoo. But it's a slow crush at the Oregon zoo, with elephants using

their powerful feet to crack open the pumpkins.

It was part of an annual event called the "Squishing of the Squash". It attracts visitors to the zoo each year. The donated pumpkins can weigh

hundreds of kilograms, too much for eight-month-old Tula-Tu, who preferred to show off some tricks rather than eat her treat.

Bears at a sanctuary in Kosovo also enjoyed their seasonal eats, but they had to work for their meals. Sanctuary workers say they hit the pumpkins so

that the bears could forage for food the way they would in the wild.

TAULANT HOXHA, SANCTUARY SPOKESPERSON: Now it's autumn. The season of chestnuts and pumpkins, but at the same time, we've also decorated these

pumpkins to match the Halloween celebration atmosphere.

So the idea is to make it interesting for the animals and to make them more active. You can see how they run after the pumpkins, their seeds and the

fresh chestnuts.

SANDOVAL (voice-over): Visitors say it was a delight to watch the bears getting a taste of the season.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm very lucky to have come today because we saw the bears having the special ceremony with pumpkins.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We really liked what we saw. We loved the landscape. We loved the bears.

SANDOVAL: No costumes, nothing scary, just full-bellied fun, and the hopes of bigger pumpkins to come, maybe next year for little Tula-Tu in Oregon.

Polo Sandoval, CNN.

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FOSTER: Well, this Sunday marks the premiere of HBO's new sitcom "I Love L.A.", created and starring the comedian Rachel Sennott, who is the -- it's

the story of a young talent agent struggling to get by until her influencer best friend drops back into her life. We sat down with senator and her

costar to find out why we should learn to love L.A.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Luck is just when preparation meets opportunity.

FOSTER (voice-over): The story of a struggling artist in L.A. has got a digital facelift in Rachel Sennott's new comedy about two friends vying for

Internet stardom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maia, I am more than ready for the junior manager track promotions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're so tough.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's like so tricky.

RACHEL SENNOTT, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, "I LOVE L.A.": Like, I think like a lot of times for shows with like Gen Z or whatever I say it because I'm

millennial cusp. But I think that there's sort of this like view going in of like, oh, my God, look at these stupid people. They're always on their

phone, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And I'm like, give us a break. People were doing middle school on Zoom. They got handed the vape when they were 12, and now they're on

antidepressants because the images they're seeing on their phone every day are so disturbing.

FOSTER (voice-over): But the world of "I Love L.A." embraces social media without being in your face. A deliberate approach from Sennott, who

understands the way the Internet has become entrenched in younger generations lives.

SENNOTT: I grew up on the Internet. The Internet is how I started my career, so I was excited by the idea of like making that -- the Internet be

like the industry that they all work in.

ODESSA A'ZION, ACTRESS: But still not like that. It's about that.

SENNOTT: And show the Internet in a way that didn't feel clunky and felt like real to us.

A'ZION: Right.

FOSTER (voice-over): Sennott's costar Odessa A'zion plays rising star influencer Tallulah, the more chaotic twin flame to Sennott's Maia, who

upends Maia's life when she agrees to manage her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh my god, you're here at my house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Crazy.

A'ZION: For me, their relationship feels more of like a sister relationship than a friendship relationship. And I think that's because they've known

each other for so long, and they've been through so much with each other.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They've always been codependent. There was a year in college they only called each other Roger and Wency (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hate inside jokes. It's like why not me involved?

FOSTER (voice-over): The series runs on HBO, which has the same parent company as CNN. Critics say "I Love L.A." follows in the footsteps of shows

like "Broad City" and "Girls". Now, it's Sennott's turn to spotlight the highs and lows of a new generation.

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FOSTER: I'm Max Foster. That's WHAT WE KNOW.

Do stay with CNN. We'll have more after this short break.

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