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More Photos Released From Jeffrey Epstein's Estate; Elysee: E.U. and U.S. Must Agree Security Guarantees For Ukraine; U.S. Hits Venezuelan Companies, Vessel With New Sanctions; King Charles: Cancer Treatment To Be Reduced In New Year; Trump Administration Blocked From Detaining Kilmar Abrego Garcia Again; Sources: FDA Intends To Put Major Warning On COVID Vaccines. Aired 3-4p ET

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MAX FOSTER, CNN HOST: A new window opens into the world of Jeffrey Epstein.

This is WHAT WE KNOW.

New photos shedding light on the powerful men that were in Epstein's orbit. Democrats on the House Oversight Committee have released 19 images from the

late sex trafficker's estate. They include a lot of familiar faces, amongst them Donald Trump, whose ties to Epstein are well known. Also, former U.S.

President Bill Clinton, former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, billionaire businessman Bill Gates and Richard Branson.

None of the images depict any sexual misconduct or are believed to show underage girls, but they do show the extent of Epstein's relationship with

the rich and the powerful. The photos come just one week before the Justice Department's deadline to release its Epstein related files.

Let's bring in our senior White House reporter, Kevin Liptak.

I mean, we can talk about the politics in a moment, but it is a fascinating insight into the contacts that Epstein had, even though we haven't seen

anything illegal here.

KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: No. And many of these were known, of course. Certainly, president Trump has said that he was friends

with Jeffrey Epstein in the 1990s, as were many of the people who are depicted in the photographs that were released by the Democrats today. But

certainly, seeing that in black and white and some instances in full color, in other instances, just provides another layer of understanding of how

Epstein was cultivating some of these very powerful men during his heyday.

Now, when it comes to President Trump, you know, these photos do appear relatively old. They don't depict any wrongdoing per se, but they add to

the sort of sense that President Trump was close to Epstein. And obviously we knew that to be the case. But now, just every time that you see it

documented, I think just fuels it even further.

Obviously, this Epstein matter is something that the president has very badly wanted to go away since it really started bubbling up over the

summer. The president has called it a hoax. He had spent a lot of time in political capital trying to block the release of some of these documents

over the course of the fall, before eventually saying, look, you can release everything when he realized that most Republicans were going to

vote for it anyway.

And I think this is just further evidence that this is an issue that's going to continue to dog him, even if it doesn't necessarily indicate any

wrongdoing, even if it doesn't necessarily reveal a whole lot of new detail about what the president knew and what exactly the nature of his

relationship with Jeffrey Epstein was. It does, I think, just contribute to the sense that he is someone that the president was close with at one point

in his life.

Now, the White House did put out a statement suggesting that the Democrats were, quote, selectively releasing cherry picked photos with random

redactions to try and create a false narrative. And it is true. You know, the Democrats released about a little less than two dozen photos of --

among tens of thousands. You know, there are still many, many, many more photos that haven't been released. They say that this shows no wrongdoing

done by President Trump.

And they're suggesting that the greater focus and the more fruitful pursuits would be looking at Democrats ties to Jeffrey Epstein. And

obviously, in these photos, we saw the former President Bill Clinton, as well. But they're also pointing to current members of congress, including

the Democratic representative from the Virgin Islands, who was shown texting with Jeffrey Epstein during a congressional hearing that has sort

of been become an open sore for Democrats as they continue to contend with this as well.

But I think altogether, this just is more evidence that the Jeffrey Epstein matter will be sort of a drip, drip, drip for President Trump. And every

effort that he's made to put this to rest has so far not been able to.

FOSTER: Kevin, thank you so much.

We've got Annie Grayer as well who's on Capitol Hill?

Annie, let's just look at the politics of this. You know, this is a very selective set of photos from tens of thousands that they have access to.

The Republicans are accusing the Democrats of selecting them in a political way.

ANNIE GRAYER, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL REPORTER: That's absolutely the Republican point here, is that why did Democrats only put out 19 when

there's over 95,000 photos to go through? But the committee has a process for how they need to observe and redact these photos. And I think Democrats

just wanted to get as many out as quickly as possible, though there is some merit to why not wait longer so you can get a larger sampling of photos

here.

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But even in this small sampling, we see just how many powerful men Jeffrey Epstein was connected to. There are three photos with President Donald

Trump in them. One photo where there were Trump is with six women whose faces are redacted. Another photo where Epstein and Trump are speaking with

a woman whose face is not redacted. There's the photograph of the box of condoms that has President Trump's face on it.

So then -- but it's not just Trump. Then you have former President Bill Clinton, Bill Gates. So and so many others. And this just shows you sort of

how widespread Epstein's network is.

And it's part of the Oversight Committee's ongoing investigation here. They still have subpoenas out for Epstein bank records. They have been

collecting thousands of documents that we have gone through over the course of this investigation. Of course, this release today is just a drop in the

bucket compared to what we are expecting from the Department of justice, who is who has been compelled by Congress to release all Epstein files that

they have in their possession by December 19th.

FOSTER: Okay, Annie. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Now, France says that a deal over security guarantees for Ukraine has yet to be decided, with the United States. The Elysee says that securing those

guarantees for Ukraine would then allow further negotiations with Russia over ending the war. Senior officials from the U.K., Germany, France and

Ukraine are set to meet on Saturday in Paris.

Meanwhile, the European Union says it's now frozen billions of dollars in Russian assets indefinitely, sparking fury from the Hungarian prime

minister, Viktor Orban. The E.U.'s move makes it harder for European critics of the Russian sanctions, like Hungary, to block that money being

used to help Ukraine. Mr. Orban said it showed the E.U. was, in his words, raping European law.

Relations between the U.S. and Venezuela appear to be deteriorating even more. Caracas is now accusing Washington of suspending deportation flights

scheduled to land today, a charge the United States is denying.

Stefano is in Caracas and he joins us now.

I mean, the Americans really coming from multiple fronts towards the Maduro regime.

STEFANO POZZEBON, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, indeed. Max, we were talking about it in the last hour. This feeling of multiple -- almost multiple chess

games that are occurring at the same time. Here we have the issue of migration. We have the issue of oil, which frankly, I believe it's the most

decisive blow that Washington has landed on Maduro's leadership this year so far at least.

And then, of course, we have the issue of the drug trafficking with, of course, longstanding accusation that the Venezuelan regime is involved in

narco trafficking. But one thing that we are hearing from Caracas is so far just a staunch defense line, saying that they are not involved in any of

that at accusing the United States of conducting acts of piracy.

I want to point out that it's a defense line, because less than ten minutes ago, the defense minister was on television here in Caracas, and he just

wrapped up his speech. But I was trying to put some notes. And the one in particular that stood out to me, Max, that he said in his message was that

nobody should -- nobody should fool themselves. So, we have seen the pretense to intimidate us with further and further planes coming closer to

the coastlines of Venezuela. Planes from the military of the United States. With humility, we say that if they want to move forward, we are prepared.

So again, saber rattling and really an intimidatory discourse, intimidatory speech coming out of Caracas in front of these rising tides from the White

House across the Caribbean. It's really, frankly, a situation that could precipitate further and further because it was not too, too many days ago.

I think it was Tuesday afternoon that two F-18s from the United States, we were able to track them, were incredibly close to the Venezuelan coastline.

And of course, any air defense system here in Caracas and across the coastline is very much on high alert.

It's one of those situations where a small mistake, perhaps by an officer who is too keen to press the button, and then something really serious

happens could precipitate and perhaps even open -- an open confrontation in the Caribbean and across the Western hemisphere.

So, lines that we are tracking and the monitoring very, very closely, Max.

FOSTER: Okay, Stefano. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Some breaking news into CNN. King Charles has shared an update with what he calls good news about his cancer treatment. The king says he'll be able to

reduce his schedule of cancer treatment, as of the New Year, something he calls a personal blessing. Charles revealed his diagnosis in February of

last year. All we know from a royal source is that he was not suffering from prostate cancer.

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Now, speaking on a nationally televised cancer telethon here in the U.K., Charles says his reduced schedule is possible thanks to early diagnosis,

effective intervention and adhering to doctors' orders. We'll bring you that video statement to you as soon as we have it, and a lot more on this

story later in the program.

Now, a U.S. federal judge is temporarily blocking the Trump administration from once again detaining Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The Salvadorian was

released from ICE custody on Thursday following an order from a federal judge saying he was detained without lawful authority. But his attorneys

had to seek a fresh court order this morning to temporarily block what they said was a new attempt to detain him.

Our Julia Benbrook is in Washington with more.

And there are a lot of supporters out there, weren't there?

JULIA BENBROOK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There were. In fact, I just got back from Baltimore. This is where we heard Kilmar Abrego Garcia speak publicly

for the first time since that judge's order that called for his immediate release from immigration custody. It was a 31-page decision. And in it that

judge said that he had been detained for months without lawful authority.

When Abrego Garcia arrived there at this field office in Maryland, an ICE field office for a required check-in. There were supporters there. We heard

from advocates as well as faith leaders, and then from Abrego Garcia himself. And he shared a message that he was grateful, and he was going

into that office with his head held high. Take a listen.

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KILMAR ABREGO GARCIA, RELEASED FROM ICE CUSTODY (through translator): I stand before you as a free man. And I want you to remember me this way,

with my head held up high.

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BENBROOK: Now his attorney said that they had been granted this restraining order, which gave them confidence that he was going to be able to walk into

this field office and walk out without fear of being taken again. And they will prepare now for an upcoming hearing. They don't have a lot of details

on when that will take place, but his attorney said that he is looking forward to having Abrego Garcia in the room for his own hearing. That was

an important note that he made.

Now, as you mentioned, Abrego Garcia has become a flashpoint. His story has in the Trump administration's mass deportation efforts, he was mistakenly

deported to El Salvador. And there were questions at that time if he would ever make it back to the United States. Once he did get back, the

administration started looking for other countries that they could deport him to. That, of course, has not happened at this point.

Now, when it comes to that judge's order, it is likely that the Trump administration is going to appeal this. In fact, I want to read you part of

a statement from a DHS spokesperson. This is from Tricia McLaughlin.

She said, quote, "This is naked judicial activism by an Obama-appointed judge. This order lacks any valid legal basis. And we will continue to

fight this tooth and nail in the courts."

So, what we know for sure as this goes forward is that it will go forward. We will likely see some more developments in the coming weeks.

FOSTER: Okay, Julia. Thank you.

Sources say the U.S. Food and Drug Administration intends to put a black box warning on COVID-19 vaccines. That warning is the FDA's most serious

tool used to warn users about life-threatening risks linked to a product. For reference, opioids carry a black box warning due to the risks of abuse,

addiction and overdose.

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has repeatedly questioned the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.

CNN's Meg Tirrell has more on that.

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MEG TIRRELL, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, we've learned that the FDA is finalizing plans to put its most serious warning on COVID-19 vaccines. It's

called a black box warning, and it shows up really at the top of prescribing information outlined in a black box so that prescribers and

patients are aware of really serious risks that can be associated with products.

Typically, this is reserved for situations where a medical product might be associated with the risk of death or life threatening or disabling

reactions. And really, it's there so that prescribers and patients can weigh these potential risks against the benefits of any intervention that

they're considering. Now, we've learned that this is in the process. It's not finalized and could still change, but it comes after a memo was issued

in late November by the FDA's vaccine chief, Dr. Vinay Prasad, which claimed that the COVID-19 vaccine has been linked to the deaths of at least

ten children.

Now, this is a claim that outside experts say they haven't seen data to support and question if that is part of the impetus for adding this label

to the vaccines, whether that is an appropriate course of action.

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Typically, also, the procedure for something like this involves a really public process. The FDA, typically, experts tell us, would let the public

know that it's weighing this safety risk. Sometimes call an outside panel of advisers to meet -- to discuss the safety data and whether to add this

to the labels of a medical product. And so far, of course, we haven't seen any of that take place.

Now, we have reached out to the Department of Health and Human Services, which tells us in a statement, quote, unless the FDA announces it, any

claim about what it will do is pure speculation. The FDA takes very seriously any death that is attributed to a regulated medical product.

We should also point out this is just the latest in a series of efforts under the Trump administration's health officials during this

administration to weaken confidence in COVID-19 vaccines.

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has been a longtime critic of the COVID vaccines' safety and efficacy. But we should also note that these

vaccines were developed, tested and greenlit under the first Trump administration, really, in a scientific feat that was so monumental that

many Republicans now are calling for the president to win the Nobel Peace Prize for it.

COVID-19 vaccines are still recommended, especially for more vulnerable groups, including the elderly, people with weakened immune systems, and

also for children and babies under the age of two, all who are at a higher risk of being hospitalized for COVID-19.

So, there is a lot of concern that a warning like this placed on these vaccines could weaken confidence in them. When vaccination rates are

already low, potentially making those trends even worse.

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FOSTER: Meg Tirrell reporting for us there.

Coming up, see King Charles talk about his cancer diagnosis for himself. He's broken his silence.

Also, how much would you pay to see a world cup match? Angry football fans say the real price is way higher. We'll take a look at the ticket prices

and the outrage surrounding them.

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FOSTER: Britain's King Charles has provided a rare but positive update on his cancer treatment. The king says his treatment can be reduced in the New

Year. He made the announcement during a stand up to cancer broadcast on Britain's Channel 4.

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KING CHARLES III, GREAT BRITAIN: Indeed, today I am able to share with you the good news that, thanks to early diagnosis, effective intervention and

adherence to doctor's orders, my own schedule of cancer treatment can be reduced in the New Year. This milestone is both a personal blessing and a

testimony to the remarkable advances that have been made in cancer care in recent years, testimony that I hope may give encouragement to the 50

percent of us who will be diagnosed with the illness at some point in our lives.

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FOSTER: The king also spoke about the importance of early screening, and thanked those involved in the care of cancer patients. King Charles was

diagnosed with cancer early in 2024.

Buckingham Palace hasn't revealed what type of cancer the king is receiving treatment for, but he says -- but the palace does say he's responding well

to it at least.

Joining us now, Caroline Geraghty, she's a senior information nurse at the Cancer Research U.K. Organization, a charity of which King Charles is

patron, indeed.

Thank you for joining us.

I mean, it is wonderful news. I mean, how do you read where he is in his journey right now, Caroline?

CAROLINE GERAGHTY, SENIOR INFORMATION NURSE, CANCER RESEARCH UK: Yeah, it is. I mean, it's difficult without knowing what type of cancer he has.

Exactly what's happening. But it does sound like because he's probably responded well to initial treatment and they may have done some scans or

some tests to see how well he's done that. You know, he doesn't have to have as much treatment as was originally thought.

And that can sometimes happen with cancer patients. Sometimes things change. Plans change. You either get more treatment or less treatment,

depending on how things go.

FOSTER: But the treatment does continue. And presumably that will be on the advice of the doctors on how long that will go on for.

GERAGHTY: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Some cancers are treated quite well relatively quickly. But some cancers treatment can go on for a number of

months or even years.

FOSTER: In terms of him not revealing what type of treatment he's having, what type of cancer he's got, what's your view on that? Because so many

people ask me that question, why won't he just say?

GERAGHTY: Yeah, I think in certainly in the U.K., what were used to with the royal family is not really knowing very, very much what goes on behind

the scenes and any illnesses or any health conditions. They've been diagnosed with. So, the fact that him and the princess catherine has, has

also revealed that she's got cancer, but again, not told us exactly what cancer she has. It's a step towards them actually becoming more open I

think about what's happening. And I think even just telling the public that, you know, he's dealing with cancer and what we can see if we go back

and look at where he's been, he's visited hospitals, he's seen patients, he's visited support centers. You know, he really has kept in touch with

people.

And I think he's -- he feels, and as do people, other people feel that he's got something in common with them. I think them telling us this also

highlights the fact that anyone can get cancer. Doesn't matter who you are.

FOSTER: I asked someone at the palace. His spokesperson, why he's not, revealing the type of cancer, and he's actually said that its actually on

the advice from cancer experts. In his determination to support the whole cancer community, it's preferable that the king doesn't address his own

specific condition, but rather speaks to those affected by all forms of the disease.

I guess what they're saying there is if they said specifically what it was, then he'd only be speaking to that community in a way. Whereas now he's

speaking to anyone that's had any relationship with cancer, actually.

GERAGHTY: Yeah. Exactly. That's a really good point to make. And I agree with you as well. Individual cancer diagnoses, you know, are they're

treated differently, but not so differently that, you know, you've got things in common with people. You're probably having treatments that are

quite similar, but also you're going through uncertainty, worry, concern, and after treatment is finished, you're again, you go through those

emotions.

So, I think the emotions you feel are very, very similar no matter what kind of cancer you have.

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So yeah, I think you make a very good point there. Him not saying it helps people appreciate that he's, you know, he is talking about it and it has a

that bigger impact perhaps.

FOSTER: He's obviously got the best medical care anyone could possibly have. But he's very aware of that, isn't he? He talks about the importance

of early diagnosis. And that sort of happened through the procedures of royalty. But he is saying that more people can actually consider that and

get that early screening without waiting for the doubt to settle in and putting it off, actually just go for it, effectively.

GERAGHTY: Yeah. As he quite rightly says, nine million people in the U.K. have not gone for their screening. Now, there could be some very good

reasons why some people don't go for screening. Weve got to appreciate that.

But for people who are in that place where they're not sure or they think they're too busy, really rethink again there are some screening programs

open to people. They are very much dependent on age. But the other side is, is that even if there is no screening program or even if you for you or if

you're between screening, if you've got symptoms you're worried about, you need to report them.

And we do know that if you diagnose a cancer early, it can often mean that you are treated more successfully.

FOSTER: Yeah, absolutely. Caroline, really appreciate your time tonight. Responding to that video. That's only just come out. Thank you.

GERAGHTY: Yeah. My pleasure.

FOSTER: FIFA facing outrage and astonishment from football fans across the world over ticket prices for next year's World Cup. Fan advocacy group,

Football Supporters Europe, says loyal supporters are being priced out of the tournament, which is hosted in the U.S., Canada and Mexico. The

cheapest ticket for a round of 16 knockout game cost $295. That rises to $680 for the quarterfinals. For the semis, prices start at $920 and an eye

watering $4,000 for the final in New Jersey.

Patrick Snell doesn't pay these prices because he gets in as part of his job. But imagine if you had to.

PATRICK SNELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Gosh, Max, I -- it's eye-watering is absolutely apt when you look at those prices. Absolutely. A lot of very

unhappy football fans at the moment when, you know, when we had the draw -- the draw for next year's World Cup was a week ago today. There was so much

excitement amongst the fans, everyone excitedly looking at where their teams might be playing, which we found out a day after that. People looking

to book their trips as well.

But now, we're learning of the really high cost of being a fan at next year's tournament here in north America. Football Supporters Europe calling

the prices a monumental betrayal of fans, describing them as extortionate. Tickets to the games are as much as seven times more expensive than those

for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, with the lowest price for a ticket was around the $600 mark.

Now, we understand that the cheapest tickets for the final. You just said that the final next year in New Jersey will cost more than $4,000. That's a

lot of money for the cheapest tickets, and there are no concessions either across any of its tickets for children or other groups. And in a change,

this is new for next year's World Cup, a change from previous tournaments. We're going to be seeing group stage games priced accordingly to the

perceived popularity of the teams involved, rather than a certain flat rate.

So, for example, if you take England's match against Croatia, more for that one than, say, England's game against Panama, we reached out to FIFA for

comments known as dynamic pricing, that concept.

While the Football Supporters Association, England's fans embassy saying, quote, "These prices are a slap in the face to supporters who support their

team outside of the flagship tournament that happens every four years, a game for supporters. Loyalty has been thrown out the window, and supporters

of the participating nations have been completely let down."

Let's hear now from the -- some fans from around the U.S. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think they're pretty insane, honestly. You know, I've been a longtime soccer fan. I've been watching since I was a kid. I

remember watching the World Cup back in 2010, 2014, and I was pretty excited to watch this year and go to some of these games. But, you know,

even though I have adult money, I can't really afford some of these tickets, which is just insane for the everyday fans.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These ticket prices, I just feel like it's so ridiculous. It's just -- it's too hard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's disappointing, especially for fans who might be really, you know, interested in the game itself. But, you know, maybe not

in a financial position to, you know, swing that kind of price.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A couple hundred, maybe. A couple thousand, absolutely not.

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SNELL: You can see their emotions running quite high. And the concern, Max, here is that you've got these loyal football fans who've been following

their national team for years.

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They've been saving in many cases for years, just being priced out of the tournament next year. And it's not just the ticket prices, Max. You've got

to factor in travel expenses, accommodation costs as well, coming right at the height of the north American summer. And, Max, you're quite right. I

will be -- all being well, relying on a press pass to get in to matches at the tournament.

FOSTER: The advantage of your job. Patrick, you deserve it. Thank you.

SNELL: Thanks.

FOSTER: Still to come, Jeffrey Epstein's powerful friends. What we've learned from the release of a new batch of photos, when we come back.

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FOSTER: Returning to our top story, new photos of Jeffrey Epstein was with some of his very powerful friends.

Now, Democrats in the House Oversight Committee released the photos earlier on Friday. They include images of Epstein with former President Bill

Clinton. There are also multiple pictures of Donald Trump, including one with six women who whose faces have been redacted there.

Now, the photos show the extent to which Epstein was close, with numerous powerful people, including billionaires Bill Gates and Richard Branson.

None of the images show any sexual conduct, and none of the women in the photos appear to be underage.

What we don't know is will these new pictures help Jeffrey Epsteins victims get any justice?

Joining me now is Jeff Schwartz. He's a former judge in Miami-Dade County and a professor at the Thomas M. Cooley Law School.

I mean, when I've spoken to the families of the survivors and the victims, they just want as much information out there as possible because they, you

know, they say this isn't just about Prince Andrew. It's about a whole raft of other men.

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So, this speaks to that, doesn't it?

JEFF SWARTZ, PROFESSOR, THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL: It does speak to that. In fact, a couple of them were interviewed and basically made it clear that

they wanted this disclosure. They understand that they're going to be asked questions as to whether they are some of those women that are pictured

whose faces have been blacked out. They just want all the information out. I don't think that they're getting quite as much as they want, but they are

getting something. And I think that's, you know, kind of an idea.

Theres only about ten days left in the 30 days that they have that the Department of Justice has to disclose everything. It'll be interesting to

see what we see in the next ten days or so.

FOSTER: It's an extraordinary amount of information, isn't it? I gather there are 95,000 photos in this drop, as it were, and then, as you say,

there's that separate set of files which have become known as the Epstein files. So that's all going to come potentially very soon. And it's all

going to be out there. Will it or will -- is there something still hidden?

SWARTZ: I'm not so sure we're going to see as much as everybody would like to see, I don't think it's all going to come out in one big trove. I don't

think we're going to get everything that the DOJ has. They still are going to claim that they have ongoing investigations that relate to Epstein and

people around him. They're going to claim that because of that and because of things involving Ms. Maxwell and the things that she's disclosed that

they have to investigate, that they have to withhold certain things pursuant to the rules of criminal procedure here in the states, and in

other statutory requirements.

So, we're not going to see as much as we want. However, from what I understand from some of the interviews that I've seen, there are a lot more

pictures that have been shown that the Democrats have chosen not to disclose just because of their prurient interest, as opposed to disclosing

what people want to know. And that is how many women were involved. The names of the people that are prominent that are pictured in these pictures,

although there's nobody new that we're seeing right now.

FOSTER: We've got these images. Theres nothing illegal going on in them. But it is extraordinary to see the level of this network, isn't it? I'm

just wondering, you know, what sort of, you know, what sort of legal defense of the people in these pictures got because everyone's associating

these images with the worst possible types of crime.

SWARTZ: Yeah, they are, and that's part of the problem of disclosing information like this. A lot of this is out of context. We don't know what

emails they were attached to, what was being discussed. We don't know what was happening at the time.

I mean, we have pictures of what appears to be the 29 hours that Mr. Bannon spent with Mr. Epstein, interviewing him. Now, some of it discloses things

that are kind of disturbing, like the picture that's on Mr. Epstein's desk is a little disturbing and Mr. Bannon's time that he spent with him. But

people who have said that they really didn't have much contact with Mr. Epstein are now being disclosed to probably have more contact than they

personally want to admit to.

FOSTER: Yeah. It does. Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it?

Former Miami-Dade County Court Judge Jeff Swartz, appreciate you joining us on the show tonight.

SWARTZ: Having a nice day. Thank you for having me.

FOSTER: Now it is the final moments of trade on Wall Street. Stocks are lower. The Dow has fallen into the red as we approach the closing bell.

This is our business breakout.

Another tough day for A.I. stocks. In particular, shares in Broadcom have been down more than 10 percent after investors were disappointed with their

earnings on Thursday. Oracle saw a big drop on Thursday as well. It's down again today.

The man once known as the cryptocurrency king has been sentenced to 15 years in prison in the U.S. Do Kwon was the co-founder of Terraform Labs, a

crypto company based in Singapore. Its collapse showed the company to be a fraud and cost many ordinary investors their life savings.

The head of Delta Airlines says he supports the Department of Transportation's push for passengers to dress up more smartly on flights.

U.S. Transport Secretary Sean Duffy urged fliers to ditch the pajamas before the Thanksgiving weekend.

Delta CEO Ed Bastian told Richard Quest that it was important for passengers to set the bar.

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ED BASTIAN, DELTA CEO: The thing he was, it was mentioned, was about civility. You know, just because, you know, we're in a public space on

board an aircraft, we have to remember that were all there in one place together. And our number one mission is to get there safely is to get there

with a smile on our face and to follow the instructions of our crew or the airports. And we've lost that.

And I think a lot of that has been the expansion of low cost travel, bringing price points, slowdown that people, you know, during COVID, many

people were flying for the very first time because the prices were so cheap.

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And they didn't even understand what flying -- the flying experience was about. So, I think, you know, kind of setting that bar out there. Now, no

one's going to legislate that. But setting the bar, the example I think will hopefully help people to follow in line.

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FOSTER: Well, still to come. More on that update from King Charles on his cancer treatment. The king himself calls it a personal blessing.

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FOSTER: More on the breaking news tonight. King Charles says he'll be able to reduce his schedule of cancer treatment as of the new year. The king

calls it a personal blessing. Buckingham Palace says he's responded exceptionally well to treatment.

Richard Quest joins me now.

I mean, he has not spoken. I don't think at all in this way about his health. And, you know, what do you make of his update today and how far

he's gone with it?

RICHARD QUEST, CNN BUSINESS EDITOR-AT-LARGE: I think this was the king at his very best. He was direct. He was firm. He was honest about his own

situation, and he was pragmatic, which the king always is in a sense. We always think of him as being airy fairy. But actually, if you look at what

he said and particularly what he says, compassion requires action.

What this speech was really all about was early detection, getting people to be tested for various types of cancers. And in doing so, I think he put

the message across extremely. He was very conversational, much more so than we see him in the Christmas message or other time. He was literally -- he

was warming to his subject.

FOSTER: If they don't talk about their health much, it's very rare for them to have gone this far. The way he and the princess did. I think he's been

quite blown away by the response, actually, hasn't he, because it's -- had this huge uptick in people going for screenings, certainly here in the U.K.

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QUEST: I'm fascinated by the questions that are -- that are put forward about, for example, why doesn't the king tell us what cancer he has? And

the answer, well, because they don't want to limit the message. They don't want people to be saying, no, you can't have that, you know, well, I've got

this cancer. Youve got that. Therefore, it doesn't apply.

And I think also this they're very keen, you know, they have ticked off the palace every possible criticism for what he's doing, which I think is

fascinating, Max, in the way they've set this up. They want the message to be clear, direct and with and unambiguous about what this is all about. And

I think it's a very powerful message. And what's interesting, because I was just talking to our U.S. colleagues and our U.S. network, CNN in the United

States about this. And I just said, look, this message could be played in every country in the world.

FOSTER: Yeah. And they've been quite clear that they're talking about British cancer treatment, but they want this to be an international

message. Exactly. And, you know, a lot of people already saying, you know, this, he didn't scale back his work that much, did he really when he got

this cancer diagnosis. But they're actually saying, you know, maybe that helped. This positive thinking is what got him through it. And I was

speaking to a nurse earlier saying, actually, that's really important.

If you just completely step back and give up, often the recovery is much more difficult.

QUEST: The thought had been -- and you know this because you've covered this obviously much closer than I do. But the thought had been, even at

Sandringham this Christmas, he wants to make it a great Christmas because it's his last one, or could be his last one, or might be his last one.

And then we look at the way William is being elevated and playing a much more central role. It's almost as if prepared to hand over the baton. It

might come sooner than we think. And then suddenly you get this, which is an entire raft in a sense of good health, good news, or better health, good

news. Then I think this gives a much more cheerful prognosis as we go into the new year.

FOSTER: And how often do we get good news to tell these days? Richard, thank you so much.

Richard, of course, back at the top of the hour with "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS".

QUEST: Indeed.

FOSTER: Now, as tensions over migration rise here in the U.K., one group is trying to put a new spin on right wing politics. The Pink Ladies say its

mission is to protect women. But as CNN's Jomana Karadsheh found out, it's frequently adopting the kind of anti-immigrant messaging used by the far

right.

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JOMANA KARADSHEH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Meet the Pink Ladies, a new face of Britain's growing anti-immigration movement. We went to one of

their pink protests just outside London to try and understand what this is all about.

ORLA MINIHANE, ORGANIZER, THE PINK LADIES: All right, scumbags, our own predators and our own sex pests. We do not need to bring in more every day.

Men from cultures that do not think like we do, who treat women like third class citizens, and who think it's acceptable to marry eight to nine-year-

old girls.

KARADSHEH (voice-over): This is not racism, they say, and they're not the far right. But a lot of what we heard sounded an awful lot like the far

right's narrative.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I need to get the army involved. We've been invaded.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's bloody terrible. It's all over Europe, you know, being invaded.

KARADSHEH: By?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By illegal migrants.

KARADSHEH (voice-over): Advocacy groups say exploiting the issue of violence against women and genuine safety concerns is a common far right

tactic.

The Pink Ladies say their grassroots women concerned about mass migration and what it means for their safety and the future of their country.

By putting out catchy tunes like this one that market their agenda. But so far, small group emerged a few months ago at a time of rising tensions over

migration, with the far-right seizing on that.

KARADSHEH: A lot of people looking at what's happening in the U.K. from the outside, they might say that a lot of the things that you are saying are

the talking points of the far right. How would you --

MINIHANE: What is far right? Far right is extremists. Far left is extremism.

How am I extremist? I'm just a mum who's worked her whole life, who's bringing up three children, who lives in suburbia. I don't want my daughter

to be sexually assaulted by men that have come over to this country that we've got no background checks on.

If that makes me a far right, then there's something very, very concerning with the rhetoric, right?

KARADSHEH (voice-over): That's Orla Minihane.

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She's a local candidate for the right-wing populist party Reform U.K.

Amid this show of pink solidarity and what was mostly a jovial and at times surreal atmosphere, we heard from women worried about their safety and that

of their daughters.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Women are scared to walk anywhere. And, you know, we live in a small town.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the seriousness of what we're dealing with.

KARADSHEH (voice-over): The government doesn't publish detailed figures on crimes committed by asylum seekers, but there have been some high-profile

cases that have put women and girls on edge. On top of that, there are the twisted facts that go unchecked.

MINIHANE: These five women have died, have been murdered at the hands of an illegal migrant catastrophe that this government is letting happen.

KARADSHEH (voice-over): Except two of the suspects in these five horrific murder cases are British nationals.

But for Laura and others, what they heard here was enough for them to make up their minds.

KARADSHEH: What is it that is making you feel unsafe?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, it's all the rapes, murders. You know what they've been talking about today.

KARADSHEH (voice-over): Jomana Karadsheh, CNN, Chelmsford, England.

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FOSTER: The first two episodes of Taylor Swift's new six-part documentary are out now. Pulling back the curtain on the final days of her Eras Tour.

In "The End of an Era", which was released on Disney Plus, the superstar shares candid backstage moments from the highs to the lows. It all shows

the huge effort needed to stage the tour. It also touches on the multiple security threats during her stops in Europe.

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TAYLOR SWIFT, 14-TIME GRAMMY WINNING ARTIST: We've done like 128 shows so far, but this is the first one where I feel like I don't know, like I'm

like skating on thin ice or something. We just had this. We've had a series of very violent, scary things happen to the tour, like we dodged like a

massacre situation. And so I've just been kind of all over the place.

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FOSTER: Well, Swift says her goal was to quote overserve her fans and speaks about how she felt after meeting Southport attack survivors

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know you helped them I know it doesn't seem like it, but I know you helped them.

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SWIFT: From a mental standpoint, I just do live in a reality that's very unreal a lot of the time, but it's my job to kind of be able to handle all

these feelings and then perk up immediately to perform. That's just the way it's got to be.

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FOSTER: Also out today, a concert film of the tour's final performance.

Now, finally tonight, a skydiving excursion in Australia didn't quite go as planned as one person jumped out of the plane. The handle on their reserve

parachute got caught on the wing flap, causing it to deploy. The chute then became wrapped around the tail of the plane, stranding the jumper at 15,000

feet. That person happened to have a knife and was able to cut the tangled lines. Incredible. All skydivers were then able to safely land.

I'm Max Foster. That's WHAT WE KNOW. Stay with CNN.

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