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Reports: Manchester City Found Guilty Of Breaking Financial Rules; Trump And Xi Wrap Up Three-Day Washington Visit; Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey Plan Urgent Military Meeting; Thousands Gather At The Stade De France For Pope Leo; More Than 40M Along U.S. East Coast Bracing For Powerful Storm; Supreme Court Ruling Hands Trump Victory On Voter Rolls. Aired 3-4p ET

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MAX FOSTER, CNN HOST: A shock wave felt across the world of football.

This is WHAT WE KNOW.

Man City are appealing a bombshell verdict. They've been found guilty of breaking all but one of the 115 financial rules they were accused of

breaching, and that is according to multiple reports. Premier League action has continued as normal on the pitch, but the investigation has been

bubbling away under the surface since the charges were announced in 2023.

I want to bring in CNN's Patrick Snell because we're talking about more than 100 counts, Patrick.

PATRICK SNELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yeah, Max, this is absolutely seismic. This is a huge, huge story breaking. It goes back a number of years.

You know, the world of football at large has been fully focused on this the fans everyone has been wanting answers since the independent tribunal

looked at this situation. Manchester City, I want to make it clear, off the very top, Max, have always denied any wrongdoing and as you say they are

highly, highly likely to appeal this. Why would they not? They have to appeal.

This is not a good look for the Manchester-based club, nor its Abu Dhabi- based owners, nor the Premier League as a whole. The world's global league, the most successful, the most lucrative, the one that everyone tunes in to

watch all over the world every single week. I will say the Premier League currently now on an international break.

But these charges go back to 2023, Max, when they were first announced. In a nutshell, let's kind of break it down to summarize what the Premier

League has been alleging, that City failed to provide accurate mission during a nine-year period between 2009 and 2018, as well as failing to

comply with UEFAs, that's European football's governing body, their financial fair play regulations during a five-year period between 2013 and

2018.

Why is that nine-year period highly, highly significant, Max? It's because City won heaps of silverware during that period. They won three Premier

League titles, three English League Cups and one FA Cup. That 2011 FA Cup was massive for the club. It changed the direction of the club because it

was their first major piece of silverware in over three decades, 35 years.

The big question on everyone's lips now are, what are the ramifications and the fallout from this could be absolutely massive potentially. According to

the Premier League handbook, Max, City are looking at the possibility of a points deduction, an unlimited fine, possible expulsion as well from the

Premier League. That's absolutely unthinkable. The possibility of being stripped of titles.

I reference those three top-flight titles, one during that nine-year period. Then you've got the ramifications coming in from the other clubs.

What about the other clubs that finish, for example, second to Manchester City in the years that City won the titles during that near decades-long

period? What is the case that they're going to be after? They will feel -- they were deprived of the titles, the clubs that were relegated as well.

When you drop a division, when you drop out the premier, you suffer massive financial losses.

And then there's the teams as well that fail to get into the Champions League, another lucrative pot of gold in relation to fixtures with

Manchester City. It's absolutely massive. And this is going to go on, I suspect, for at least two or three more years, no doubt about it, because

clubs are going to be appealing. You think rival clubs, you would think potentially will have the option to sue as well.

Let's get to what Manchester City are saying about all of this, a statement from earlier on this Friday. The Premier League process remains ongoing,

with significant elements to be completed and subject to strict confidentiality. As such, Manchester City FC's position remains consistent

with the club's statement of February 2023.

Look, Max, this is -- oh, and there's more. The club has diligently respected due process for eight years on the basis that the Premier League

board and executive would behave as an independent, impartial, and fair- minded regulator, free from partisan influence.

To recap, I want to make it clear, City consistently denying any wrongdoing, denying any wrongdoing over this, highly likely to appeal.

Premier League, as I said at the top, Max, is currently on an international break. The timing of this is significant. It's come during the

international break.

City are not due to be back playing again. They have a high octane fixture on Merseyside when they travel to Anfield to face huge rivals Liverpool on

the 11th of October.

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We're waiting for fans reactions because fans are not gathering at grounds all over England now at the moment because they're on the national break.

What a fan saying about this I can tell you looking online and looking at some of the chat -- listening to the chat rooms and the podcast today,

everyone's got an opinion on this, emotions are running very, very high on this and this is a really, really bleak day for Manchester City Football

Club.

FOSTER: And those fans are all over the world, aren't they, Patrick? And - -

SNELL: Yeah.

FOSTER: -- expulsion, I know. It's the extreme measure we're looking at but that would be extraordinary and they'd have to rebuild the all that

progress they've made.

Patrick, thank you so much.

Now, the superpower summit between the U.S. and China is over. Xi Jinping is now on his way back to China after three days in Washington with Donald

Trump. Though the leaders reportedly talked about issues like A.I., trade, Iran and Taiwan, there were no major agreements announced. President Trump

did make a vague reference to doing something that would make American farmers happy, but he didn't provide any detail.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think our farmers are going to be very happy. A lot of very positive things happened. But America

is very happy about this visit, and I'm sure China is very happy also.

Great things for both countries, and it's been just very, very productive.

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FOSTER: CNN's Alayna Treene is at the White House.

Alayna, I mean, were they -- is this a disappointment? Were you expecting some sort of announcements after this visit?

ALAYNA TREENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: I wouldn't say it's a disappointment. From the conversations, Max, I had in the lead up to this

state visit, I know that these Trump administration officials were really hoping to make it successful. I mean, when was the last time you, Max, you

saw U.S. president go all the way to Joint Base Andrews to greet a foreign leader on the tarmac and literally roll out a red carpet for it.

So, clearly, they were very determined to make this as successful as possible, to really tout the and pageantry that Trump saw when he was in

Beijing back in May and try and kind of fortify the relationship between these two world powers. Now, I was told, of course, that all the subjects

you mentioned, Taiwan and their independence, the war with Iran, artificial intelligence, trade, all of those things were expected to come up.

And I think it's a bit surprising we haven't heard of any firm agreements. I should note one agreement we did hear about was actually before the state

visit even happened, before she was even here at the White House when the Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent came out and said they had expanded one of

their trade agreements, the Busan agreement, from a fall of 2025 that essentially reduced some of the harshest tariffs between these two

countries and also allowed for China to purchase more U.S. soybeans.

But apart from that, again, no real specifics of what was discussed. We heard Trump say they had talked about Iran. I have questions over whether

he brought up the idea that China had been providing intelligence and satellite imagery to the Iranians during the course of the war, and if he

was asking him to hold back on anything. But we didn't get any of that, and so it's unclear if we will actually hear more of this.

I should note the president, President Trump today did say in this kind of farewell post to Xi and Madam Peng. He said that there was a meeting. Their

meeting was one of friendship, strength and success, and he suggested -- Trump did -- that he would be in China once again for the second time this

year in November, suggesting he'll be going to the APEC summit and that she will be back in the U.S. once again in December for the G20.

So, perhaps, we'll hear more. Perhaps they did some front-end work and they'll be, you know, solidifying things down the line, but we really don't

know at this point.

One thing I want to bring up as well that was a bit different from this state visit, from other state visits that come here and happen here at the

White House is the media coverage around it. Obviously, there was that ban on CNN, Politico, and MS NOW, but that actually prevented Trump and Xi from

getting kind of the wall-to-wall typical coverage you would see of moments like this.

And I was told by one Trump advisor that it was actually really inopportune timing because this was something both of them wanted robust coverage of. I

think particularly when you think about China, they want these images. of the president, President Trump, and President Xi standing together, going

through all of these different lavish events like the state dinner that was held in the East Room last night. They didn't get a lot of that. They did

get some of that today when the pool was back on. CNN was there filming the visit of Xi and Madam Peng with Trump to visit the foundational documents

to the US, things like the Declaration of Independence.

But I do think that was something that some officials, particularly here in Washington, would argue was less successful out of an event like this. But

look, we have to try and figure out if there will actually be any sort of substantial agreement that comes out of it or if it really was just a lot

of kind of, you know, shaking hands and praising one another.

FOSTER: Well, at least they're talking, I guess.

Alayna, thank you so much for that.

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey are planning an urgent meeting of their military chiefs, as the Houthi attacks on the kingdom intensify.

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Pakistan says they're looking for ways to assist Saudi Arabia under a new mutual defense pact signed by the three countries last month.

CNN's Matthew Chance is in Riyadh. He explains how Houthi attacks are putting the strategic agreement to the test.

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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CHIEF GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well, I mean, look, it's potentially a first step towards trying to bring that Mecca

defense pact, which as you mentioned was signed in August into effect. The military component of that pact was that an attack on one of those

countries, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, or Pakistan, is regarded as an attack on all of them, obviously modeled on Article 5 of the NATO treaty.

And so, this is a really first test of that, because Saudi Arabia which is the real money, of course, in that troika of nations, is coming now under

sustained attack from the south, from Houthi rebels in Yemen, who have been carrying out ballistic missile attacks at various locations across the

country, drone attacks as well, targeting what the Houthis say are sensitive sites, but also energy infrastructure targets in the country and

having some success in doing that as well.

And it's a huge problem for Saudi Arabia because they are now sort of caught in between two fronts, if you like. On the one side to the east of

the country, there's the Iran War and the Strait of Hormuz being essentially cut off to the vast majority of Saudi oil exports, as well as

the energy exports of other Gulf Arab states as well. That's a huge problem for the country.

Its alternative route was on the other side, to the west, where it exports oil via the Red Sea and the strategic access point there. And that's now

under Yemeni-Houthi control, and they're threatening Saudi shipping. And so, there's a real sort of sense of anxiety in this country right now, that

the economic situation, the conflict, could cause an enormous amount of problems here.

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FOSTER: Pope Leo warning that the U.N. and other multilateral groups are facing a crisis. Speaking at the UNESCO headquarters in Paris, the pontiff

called on leaders to overcome their differences and advance towards common goals. These are the individual at the Stade de France just outside Paris.

Pope Leo is on a four-day tour of France earlier with President Emmanuel Macron.

Speaking to CNN, the pope also said he supports good coverage in response to the Trump administration restricting CNN's access to the White House

earlier this week.

CNN's Christopher Lamb reports.

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CHRISTOPHER LAMB, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On board the papal plane to Paris, Pope Leo greeting reporters. And the first American

pope weighing in on President Trump's White House ban, signaling his support for the media.

LAMB: Thank you for having us on the plane, I just wondered if you had a word for some of our colleagues at CNN

having difficulties at the White House. I mean, you have spoken of freedom of the press.

POPE LEO XIV, CATHOLIC CHURCH: Very happy that here you are all welcome. And good coverage I think is very important, and we have it all the way

around for everybody.

Thank you.

LAMB (voice-over): It is expected to be one of many strong messages the pope will deliver on his four-day visit to France.

On Friday, the pope visited Notre Dame, which shocked the world when it went up in flames nearly seven and a half years ago. It caused immense

damage and led to years of closure. On Friday, Pope Leo paid a visit, the first time a pontiff has set foot inside the cathedral since it rose from

the ashes and reopened its doors.

Leo XIV leading a prayer service in Notre Dame on the first day of his visit to France. The iconic 12th century cathedral represents the spiritual

heart of France and one of the most visited cathedrals in the world. The pope praying in front of its precious crown of thorns relic, believed to

have been placed on Jesus' head at the crucifixion and miraculously saved during the fire.

Pope Leo is on the first official papal visit to France for almost 20 years, meeting the president and addressing the topic of AI.

POPE LEO XIV: While intelligence is attributed to computational systems, we struggle to recognize the inalienable dignity of human persons whose

lives are judged according to the criterion of efficiency, and when deemed no longer productive, they're rejected and discarded.

LAMB (voice-over): His trip also comes as France is seeing a surprising rise in young people joining the Catholic Church. A departure from the

trend of recent years where attendance at mass has long been in decline.

PERE GASPARD GRAPLET, PRIEST INFLUENCER (through translator): There's a kind of revival that was unexpected, meaning we don't really know.

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Parishes don't know what to do with all these young people who wanted to be baptized.

LAMB: Well, hundreds of thousands are expected to turn out for a mass with Pope Leo on Saturday in central Paris. There's a huge amount of interest in

an American pope with French roots. One of Pope Leo's grandmothers was born in Normandy in France, and another grandmother born in New Orleans.

LAMB (voice-over): While in France, Leo will face up the legacy of abuse. A 2021 report into abuse by clergy sent shockwaves through the country. The

pope is meeting survivors while in Lourdes, a major Catholic pilgrimage site.

France, traditionally one of Europe's most Catholic countries, but with a strict separation of church and state, Leo's jam-packed visit covering the

pastoral and political, which he believes will send a message of hope and renewal.

Christopher Lamb, CNN, Paris.

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FOSTER: Meanwhile, extreme weather set here at both ends of the United States. A strengthening nor'easter is to slam into the U.S. East Coast this

weekend. More than 40 million people from North Carolina to New England are under threats of torrential rain, powerful winds and coastal flooding.

And in the Pacific, catastrophic and life-threatening flash flooding possible on the Big Island of Hawaii into the weekend, that is according to

the U.S. National Hurricane Center. on the threat of Hurricane Nolo.

Let's turn to CNN meteorologist Allison Chinchar, who joins us with the weather center in Atlanta -- Allison.

ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes, well, this feels like deja vu for many folks in Hawaii who have been dealing with back-to-back systems

here over the last several weeks. Here's a look at Hurricane Nolo. Sustained winds right now, about 105 miles per hour. That makes it a

category two storm.

Now, you already have a lot of watches and warnings set in place in anticipation of the storm getting a little bit closer before it finally

makes that sharp westward turn. Now the storm is expected to strengthen further before it makes that sharp turn to the West. So, the real question

becomes how close does it actually get before it begins to make its way away from the islands? But even if it were to start turning immediately

right now, it's still expected to dump a tremendous amount of rain, but knowing that it still has a little bit farther north to go before making

that turn, some areas of the Big Island could be looking at 20 to even 25 inches of rain.

Nearby Maui could be looking at roughly 10 inches of rain, maybe perhaps even as much as a foot. So that's going to be a big thing to watch over the

next couple of days. Another storm to watch. This is the nor'easter we talked about. Here you can see again all of the waves of rain that are

starting to make their way in along the coastline, but also wind gusts looking at sustained wind gusts around 20 to 25 miles per hour. Wind gusts

upwards of 30 to even 35 miles an hour and those are only expected to go up from here.

In fact, by the time you take a look at Saturday morning, we're looking at some of those wind gusts up around 50, 55, creeping into the 60 to 65 mile

per hour range as we go later into the day on Saturday. Another thing to note, we really have a lot of leaves still left on the trees here in much

of this area. And when you have all of that, it increases the drag that's on the trees when you get those gusty winds that come through.

So, you are more likely to see an uprooted tree that still has its full canopy of leaves. So that's something to note too. You could be looking at

a lot of trees coming down and even subsequently some power lines.

Now one thing to note is well with this. It's not just the wind. It's also going to be the flooding component. Notice even as we go into Friday, late

Friday, Saturday and then even later into Saturday, the storm itself doesn't move all that much, and it's that incredibly slow movement just

hovering along the coastline. It's going to allow for a tremendous amount of water to inundate a lot of these coastal communities, not just from the

air and form of rain, but also that wind is pushing the ocean water inland.

So, a lot of those low-lying areas are going to be looking at some coastal flooding. You could also have beach erosion in a lot of these areas too,

especially though areas that are more susceptible to it. Say like in places like New Jersey coastline.

Rainfall, look at a lot of these areas all the way through late Sunday and even into Monday, you have a pretty widespread area of four to six inches

of rain that is expected to come down, especially for portions of Massachusetts and even Rhode Island, where those kind of numbers would

actually end up being a month's worth of rain in just a few short days. So, certainly, something we'll have to keep a close eye on in the coming days.

FOSTER: Allison, appreciate it. Thank you.

Coming up, Donald Trump gets a big victory from the U.S. Supreme Court, a major ruling that could determine who gets to vote in the November

midterms. It's just been announced. We'll give you the detail.

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FOSTER: Donald Trump has been handed a major victory by the Supreme Court, this time to do with voter rolls. The court has ruled that states can use a

tool that lets them check a voter's citizenship status. Some groups had argued that the tool could be used for wholesale purges from voter rolls.

Gabe Cohen is following the story from New York.

Just explain this because it's quite complex, but as I say, significant.

GABE COHEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, Max. It is very complicated. Boiled down, the question that the court had to answer here is whether or not the

Trump administration broke the law when it beefed up that controversial citizenship verification tool known as SAVE by bringing in this trove of

other federal records from various agencies, like, for example, Social Security data, a lot of which was on U.S.-born citizens, all to build this

tool that was designed to help states search their voter registration lists for non-citizens.

It has been an extremely contentious issue over the past 18 months, with more than a dozen Republican-led states having voluntarily handed over

their voter list to the Trump administration to do those checks for non- citizens, while the Justice Department is suing 30 other states to force them to hand over their voter rolls for the administration to check for

non-citizens who might be on those rolls.

In that majority opinion that came down from the Supreme Court today that was unsigned, we don't know exactly who wrote this, but it said the federal

government has an obligation to respond to requests from state and local election officials seeking to verify the citizenship of voters. And it

found that the lower court that had blocked the use of SAVE had prevented the federal government from using the program that it believes is best

suited to the task.

But there are a lot of people who had who had fought this initiative, fought the SAVE system, including election officials in states across the

country who were arguing that the administration was one overstepping its authority, the vast majority of which. when it comes to election

administration is given by the Constitution to the states with very limited authority being given to Congress, but none of it given to the president.

And there was also this question about the accuracy of the SAVE data and the possibility that could -- it could erroneously identify U.S. citizens,

eligible voters as noncitizens. And we saw a little bit of that in the dissent that we got from the three liberal judges on the court, it was

written by Ketanji Brown Jackson. And what it said is that the harm caused by burdening or disenfranchising even a few lawful voters outweighs the

nonexistent harm that the government experiences when it is prevented from taking an action that it likely lacks the authority to take.

And, Max, as I said, a lot of questions about the data here, the data that's been put out by the Department of Homeland Security in recent

months, and the numbers in terms -- that are coming back from SAVE on how many non-citizens are registered in these states.

I'll tell you just a couple months ago, DHS put out a whole bunch of that data, saying that in the Republican-led states that have voluntarily handed

over those lists, they had found more than 20,000 non-citizens were registered to vote.

But I talked to officials in some of those states, Republican officials, who said that those numbers were likely inflated, perhaps dramatically

inflated, and that in most cases, very few of those people had actually voted. And so, there are big question marks, especially as we head into the

midterms about how accurate this data is. There are laws in place that say there cannot be systematic purges of voters within 90 days of an election,

Max.

But as far as the administration is concerned, what I'm hearing from officials this afternoon is with this ruling, states and counties can start

running those lists again through the SAVE system. And they believe, the administration believes that there's a possibility that, one, non-citizens

may not be protected by those laws I'm talking about that prevent purges of voters within 90 days, but also that when a state actually removes these

individuals, that is not a purge. It's an individual who is being removed.

And so, we're going to likely see some more court action, some challenges, and we'll see what election officials have to say in the coming days about

this ruling that sets the stage for the administration to help states remove potentially far more people.

FOSTER: Gabe, appreciate it. Complex, but thanks for explaining it so clearly. Thank you.

Coming up last night, he dined with Donald Trump at the White House. Now he's sitting down with CNN. Jensen Huang, the CEO of Nvidia, talks to CNN

about the future of A.I. and why he thinks companies can be trusted to do the right thing on safety.

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FOSTER: More on our top story, a bombshell verdict against a major force in football. Manchester City have been found guilty of breaking all but one

of the 115 financial rules they were accused of breaching. That's coming from multiple reports and the Premier League says the club failed to

provide accurate financial information during two seasons. Man City are set to appeal, so what we don't know is how harsh could Manchester City's

punishment be.

Joining us now, Marcus Speller, the producer and presenter of the "Football Ramble" podcast.

Thanks for joining us, Marcus.

I mean, our correspondent earlier was saying that the ultimate sanction is being expelled from the Premiership altogether. Is that possible?

MARCUS SPELLER, PRODUCER & PRESENTER, THE FOOTBALL RAMBLE: Well, anything's possible at the moment. The Premier League don't have. a written

set of sanctions for these types of misdemeanors because the clubs didn't want them because the clubs were thought, well, would some teams maybe

weigh up whether the punishment was worth it and then just take the take the fine.

So yeah, all things are still on the table. I mean, Manchester City will appeal this. The reports, the latest reports are that they are at the --

going into the appeal stage. But my goodness, this has been a huge news day football.

The international break had just begun. I was looking forward to England versus Spain tomorrow and I still have, but this has just crashed into the

football news and it's something we've been waiting for so many years. I fear that it may go on for a fair while, but yeah, a huge stage reached in

the investigation.

FOSTER: Yeah, I mean, what you're implying there is that it's going to be appeals. they've got a lot of money haven't they the club they're going to

push it obviously as far as they can because they don't want to these to be upheld, so it could be years.

But ultimately, there are 115 violations potentially here. They're going to have to get rid of -- you know, that's a lot to get rid of you know it does

seem likely that some will hold but I guess it's the sanction that really matters ultimately to the club because It's not going to be able to trade

like it does now if it's not in that top league.

SPELLER: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that's always going to be the case with these investigations. What is the sanction? I mean, yes, the

reports are that they've been found guilty of 114 of the 115 charges. I mean, if that is the case, then it's pretty comprehensive.

Manchester City still denying everything vigorously, of course. I mean, I suppose that the argument of it's just 115 misunderstandings is, yeah,

well, I'll leave that there. But the sanctions, I mean, we've seen Everton have a point seduction quite recently. Obviously, Chelsea got fined

recently as well.

And if we're honest, when Chelsea did get their fine, which was, you know, I forget the figure, but a fair few million pounds, really? Chelsea were

probably quite happy to take that on the chin. football clubs have a lot of money. Manchester City, I think if they were offered a fine now, they would

bite both of your hands off would be my prediction there.

This could be big, though. If they are indeed found guilty of 114 charges, which the reports are saying, and if they failed with a potential appeal,

which the reports are saying that they are going to that appeal stage, my goodness, you know, this could be massive. I mean, at worst, as you say, it

could be expulsion from the Premier League. It could be a huge points deduction, one of which pretty much means that even if they were to have a

good season on the pitch, they would be relegated, you know, 60, 70-point deduction, something like that.

So this is big, and Manchester City will be fighting to clear their name for perhaps a fair little bit of time to come but yeah all football fans

are intrigued by this.

FOSTER: Yeah. But they've got fans all over the world haven't they, as you say, we're out of season. So it's not as if everyone's gathering like they

normally do, but they're probably calling into you and messaging you.

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So just give us a barometer of sentiment right now amongst the Man City fans and what they're worried about.

Yeah, you can guess what the sentiment is among other fans, but with Manchester City fans, I mean, it really does depend who you talk to. I

think some will -- I would suggest maybe a minority might go, hold your hands up there, 114 guilty charges if the reports were to be believed. I

need to always state. That is pretty comprehensive.

Others will back their football club. I mean, football fans are partisan. You know, that's one of the things that makes the sport so great. I can't

imagine that the Manchester City fans will just happily accept whatever happens and there will be a lot of whataboutery if this indeed does go to

serious punishment.

And I think that Manchester City fans may well be referencing the punishment that Chelsea got, because, again, some people thought that was a

little bit lenient.

FOSTER: OK, Marcus, appreciate it. Keeping you busy at least.

SPELLER: Yeah.

FOSTER: Now, in the final moments of trade on Wall Street, stocks are heading for a positive finish. The Dow looks like to snap a three-day

losing streak. It's been in the black for the entire session with the Nasdaq and the S&P 500 also higher.

This is our Business Breakout.

Now, U.S. consumer sentiment is now at its second lowest level on record. New numbers from the University of Michigan show a seven percent decline in

September and then nearly 13 percent drop from a year ago. Energy prices and rising inflation all weighing on consumer confidence.

The CEO of YouTube says the company isn't planning to join Meta in a financial settlement over child safety. Meta agreed to pay $18 billion to

settle claims that it was contributing to a mental health crisis in young people. Neal Mohan told CNN that YouTube already has measures in place to

protect young users.

Meanwhile, a new study says children who have their own smartphones at the age of 12 are more likely to develop eating disorders. The research studied

9,000 U.S. teenagers that showed that spending time on screens is associated with depression, lower self-worth, and experimenting with drugs

and alcohol.

The CEO of Nvidia says tech companies don't need regulation in order to show restraint when it comes to A.I. Speaking to CNN, Jensen Huang said

there's a solution for companies who are developing unsafe technologies, just don't release them. It comes after weeks of concerns about its

potential to hurt humanity.

Huang sat down with Anderson Cooper and admitted that safety had to be the top priority when it came to developing A.I. technologies.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST, "AC360": There's a lot of people who are scared about how fast this is moving and the dangers of it. You are not one of

them. Why?

JENSEN HUANG, CEO, NVIDIA: Well, first of all, A.I. safety is paramount. Nothing could be more important. However --

COOPER: Isn't the competition the most important thing? I mean, the race?

HUANG: No, actually, no. And the reason for that is if you don't build something -- if you don't build something that the market could benefit

from, and it's unfunctional, unsafe, unreliable, whatever those "un" things are, obviously you're not going to be successful, and the competition will

take care of itself.

And so, if you want to be competitive, you want to be successful as a business. We want to create an industry. The first thing we have to do is,

job one, is to create something that works. And this is this a big deal because in the last six months, it wasn't until the last six months that we

really created A.I.s that were useful. And now, it's really important for us to make sure that not only are the agents useful, that as were testing

them, they're well contained. As we're testing them that -- and as we deploy them, that they're monitored.

Because these agents are obviously interacting with the world. They're interacting with other websites and so on and so forth, interacting with

tools and, and memory and files and they have access to information.

And so, you want to make sure that they're properly contained, that they're given access control and whatever privileges and rights that it has, like a

digital employee does. And you put that inside, some kind of a sandbox, a runtime, you know, if you will, some container.

And the second thing that you need to do is make sure that you continuously monitor it. If your agent were interacting with a website, in this case,

the example that you used, it's interacting with a website, but it's not supposed to. You should be able to monitor that agent and detect it early

so that you recognize that it's doing something it shouldn't and either --

COOPER: But in these attacks, oftentimes they're not discovered for months.

HUANG: Because they're not being -- we need to monitor them much more continuously.

COOPER: But, I mean, the people who are working closest, the people who are on the front lines of the Frontier models, the Frontier of this

technology, they seem worried.

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Whether it's researchers, engineers, or the CEOs, Dario Amodei, Sam Altman, they are raising alarms, saying, we need regulation. Aren't they the ones

closest to these models who would know best about what is needed?

HUANG: If they're worried about it, they should just stop. If the product is not safe, just don't release it.

COOPER: It's that simple? I mean, these are multibillion dollar companies. The competition is --

HUANG: No, that's what every company does. That's we do. That's what a car company would do. That's what a, you know, anybody would do. If you're --

COOPER: Of course, companies that have gone forward with products that, you know, are not safe or are risky, and they go forward anyway because of

competition. That's why there's regulation.

HUANG: Well, if a regulation is necessary, if they don't have self -- first of all, they ought to have self-restraint. If they're telling

everybody that their product is unsafe, they obviously know it, they're publicly admitting it, they ought to just not release it, okay?

Now, having said that, I'm not advocating for no regulation. I'm just simply saying self-restraint does not require regulation.

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FOSTER: CEO of Nvidia speaking to Anderson.

Coming up, we take you straight to the Stade de France, where Pope Leo is celebrating young people of the Stade de France.

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FOSTER: Pope Leo wrapping up the first day of his papal visit to France. Earlier, he met with the French president, Emmanuel Macron, spoke at UNESCO

headquarters, and stopped at the Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris. These are the scenes right now that are stared de France. A prayer vigil with young

people. Real buzz there, it seems.

We're joined by Elise Allen. She's a correspondent at "Crux Now", author of "Pope Leo XIV, The Biography".

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Extraordinary scenes, as you always get right, at these events. But I think people may be surprised to know that France actually is one of the most

Catholic countries in Europe. So, this is a big visit for the pope.

ELISE ALLEN, SENIOR CORRESPONDENT, CRUX NOW: This is a very big visit for Pope Leo. As he himself said when he arrived in France in his very first

speech, he gave a nod to his own French roots. So, this is a very celebratory moment for him.

I think looking back even on his own ancestry, I think he's been eager to go to France for quite some time. And the response to this visit when they

announced it and since then and all the preparations has just been quite outstanding. I think a lot of people weren't sure what the response would

be because of course like so many places throughout Europe, but in many pockets of the world, practice of the faith, while the Catholic faith

remains culturally in practice still in terms of attendance at mass and regular church events, it's really gone down in recent decades.

So, there was really a big question about what kind of response Leo would actually have once he set foot in France, and I think we've seen that there

has been an extraordinary response to his presence there, in part because of his own French roots, but I think that this is just a very big

celebratory moment for France as well. Having somebody with some French heritage, but to have somebody like the pope come is a very special moment,

and I think it's something that France has been wanting for some time.

You know, Pope Francis himself visited France, he visited cities on many occasions in France, but he did not make an official state visit to France,

so I think this is a very important moment for both the pope and the country.

FOSTER: I mean, rock stars want to fill out the Stade de France, don't they? Not many can achieve it. But am I right in saying that for some young

people, there does seem to be a bit of a rock star status to Leo because he is seen as this global liberal figure in a world where so many autocrats

are rising up? Do you think he represents something globally for many young people?

ALLEN: I think that's a very important point, and it's valid not just for young people, but for many people of all ages, including in presentations

and in conversations about my own biography of Leo. I think this has really come across the generations, but it's something particularly attractive for

young people because, as you mentioned, in this world of autocrats, in this world, you know, where so much is concentrated with so few, so many few

voices really control the narrative today and control what's happening, including in the world of technology, which Leo has also talked about in

his conversations and in his recent encyclical on artificial intelligence.

You know, young people are really, I think, especially looking for an alternative out there. I don't think Leo has intentionally positioned

himself as this alternative. I don't think he wants to be seen as sort of contrary to anybody. I think he wants to open a conversation and bring up

points of discussion that he thinks are valid or perhaps missing from the important conversations today, whether that is in education, whether it's

in life issues, whether that is in technology.

He wants to open up a conversation, you know, that really brings to the fore what he's mentioned in France so far in his speeches are sort of the

ethical concerns in all of this. The role of the church throughout history of moral conscience. And I think in a world where it's no secret that the

world is very divided. There is a lot of polarization in global society. There are a lot of conflicts in the world, and I think people are really

looking for points of reference.

And young people especially are looking for who can be a point of reference, who can lead us in a different direction. And in Pope Leo and

what he has been saying and doing so far throughout his papacy, they see a point of reference. They see somebody who wants to point to an alternative

path and who wants to say, let's remember the important things here, which for Pope Leo, he's repeated that throughout his papacy, but especially in

his speeches.

Today, you know, his very packed schedule on day one in France. Really, it's a look at what it means to be human and have we lost that, and we

can't really lose sight of that.

FOSTER: Elise Allen, really appreciate it as the pope speaks there at the Stade de France, just outside Paris. Thank you for your time today. We'll

be speaking to you more, I'm sure, over the next few days as the talk continues.

Now, from its reclusive leader, Kim Jong-un, to the smallest details of the lives of its more than 25 million residents, almost everything about North

Korea is shrouded in secrecy.

However, an aid worker who spent decades helping North Koreans is now giving staggering insights into what life is like there.

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We should warn you, some of these images are disturbing.

Senior international correspondent Will Ripley reports.

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WILL RIPLEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): These are images the North Korean government does not want you to see -- far away

from the showpiece capital, Pyongyang, inside the homes of everyday people struggling to survive, during the darkest days in the North Korean famine

in the 1990s.

KATHI ZELLWEGER, SWISS AID WORKER: And this child had the same old face than her grandmother. That struck me.

RIPLEY (voice-over): Kathi Zellweger is a Swiss aid worker who spent nearly 25 years running humanitarian programs in North Korea, 75 trips,

five years living there. Foreign journalists have never been granted this kind of access, not even me on my 19 trips.

RIPLEY: We're looking at them, but they're looking at us as well. Every time I try to take a picture of those girls, they run away.

What is it like to be born and to grow up in North Korea?

ZELLWEGER: I think, you know, parents try their best to look after children well, but it's challenging, especially in the countryside to

provide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirty-two hundred tons of rice arrived several days ago.

RIPLEY (voice-over): Kathi brought in massive shipments of food, but she still had to verify where it was going. Following the food took her deeper

and deeper into North Korea.

MIKE CHINOY, FORMER CNN BEIJING BUREAU CHIEF: There are thousands, if not tens of thousands of North Koreans who are alive today who would be dead if

it wasn't for the work that Kathi Zellweger did.

RIPLEY (voice-over): In later years, she could feel the government tightening its grip, especially after diplomacy with the U.S. fell apart

and North Korea was no longer interested in engaging with the West.

ZELLWEGER: The world control was used much more widely than before.

RIPLEY: So, you thought it was getting more restrictive and more controlling in more recent years?

ZELLWEGER: Yeah.

Bye-bye. Can you say bye-bye?

RIPLEY (voice-over): Then suddenly, the door slammed shut.

Kathi often thinks about all the people she met, people she may never see or hear from again.

Will Ripley, CNN.

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FOSTER: We'll be back in just a moment.

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FOSTER: Finally tonight, and after all that, Ed Sheeran's concerts this weekend at Robert Kraft Stadium near Boston have been canceled. But not for

the reason you might think. Blame it on the weather.

As we told you earlier in the show, strong winds and coastal flooding forecast to hit much of the U.S. East Coast. Event organizers say that's

the reason this weekend's concerts can't go ahead. This comes as controversy continues, of course, to swirl around Sheeran's tour after

rapper Macklemore was dropped as an opening act for his onstage support of the Palestinian people. It was Kraft who led much of the criticism.

I'm Max Foster. That's WHAT WE KNOW. Do stay with CNN.

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